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westofyou
06-18-2007, 10:20 AM
A more candid view of the draft would probably rank it right next to the ring toss and three-card monte as a con job. It looks easy. But in reality, it's brutally hard. One fact sums it up: Since '65, only three of the sport's No. 1 overall draft picks are currently worthy of Cooperstown -- Griffey, Chipper Jones and Alex Rodriguez. Roughly half of all No. 1 overall picks were close to worthless. You're just as likely to select a legend where the Nats picked: Barry Bonds, Derek Jeter and Gary Sheffield were all picked sixth.

Tom Boswell (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/06/07/AR2007060702509.html)

Unless you were pulling a Rip Van Winkle this past month then you know that Major League Baseball had their annual amateur draft. That means that the Reds brain trust invested a huge amount money and time to finding players that they hope not only fit their “System” but that they will improve and in some cases surprise everyone and wildly succeed.

The Reds used their pick on a high school catcher who shot up the charts in workouts preceding the draft. His name is Devin Mesoraco, he’s the 3rd catcher the Reds have chosen with their first round pick since the draft started in 1965, the first one was Dan Lamar in 1979, he never made the show, the second one was Dan Wilson (1990), who just retired last year. Here’s hoping that Devin is more Wilson then Lamar in his future endeavors.

This years pick was the 41st first round pick that the Reds have had since 1965, 2 of these players did not sign with the Reds (Mike Miley 1971 and Jeremy Sowers 2001) of these 39 players 19 have made it to the big leagues, that’s almost 49%. Since the draft the Reds have used their first pick for pitchers 21 times, 20 of them were starting pitchers, with Ryan Wagner being the lone reliever in the group. 5 of these pitchers were left-handed, three of them were drafted by Jim Bowden (whose Nationals drafted heavy in the LH pitcher field this past draft) Scott Jones (1982) is the only LH Pitcher to be drafted with the first pick by the Reds between 1969’s pick (Don Gullett) and 1999’s pick (Ty Howington). 9 of the 19 players who made it to the big leagues were pitchers, with Bailey now making it 10 of 20. Of the Reds pitchers who made it, only Don Gullett and Gary Nolan can claim to have had much of a career, and both were out of the game very early.

The 21 Position players who were drafted generally played 43 positions, with 8 being outfielders, 8 more being shortstops and 3 being catchers. The oddball in the group was a third basemen Tad Vanger, 1977. Of the 10 players who made it to the big leagues as position players for the Reds 5 were drafted as Shortstops, 1 as a catcher and the other 4 as outfielders. The most significant career amongst them is easily Barry Larkin (1985)

10 of the Reds picks have been college players, Bill James use the Reds first pick in 1984 (Pat Pacillio) as the basis for an article on drafting College Pitching in his 1985 Baseball Abstract. 8 of those 10 college players made it to the big leagues.

The Reds have had 14 Top ten picks, highest pick was #2 1983, Kurt Stillwell, the next highest was Chris Gruler at #3 in 2002, then Barry Larkin at #4 in 1985. Below is the type of players the Reds drafted by decade with NP = Non Pitcher and P = Pitcher.


1 - NP 4 - P - 1960’s
7 - NP 4 - P - 1970’s
2 - NP 7 - P - 1980’s
6 - NP 2 - P - 1990’s
4 - NP 4 - P - 2000’s


Below is the list of players who made it to the big leagues as Reds, and a small sample of the day they debuted, plus a draft date and time it took to reach the big leagues. The longest it took a Reds draftee to reach the bigs was 8 years (Ron Robinson) the shortest amount of time was Ryan Wagner (same season).



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September 2, 1969 - Drafted - 1965 - 4 years to reach

REDS 6TH: Helms struck out; Woodward grounded out (third to
first); CARBO BATTED FOR RIBANT; Carbo was called out on
strikes; Debut game for Bernie Carbo; 0 R, 0 H, 0 E, 0
LOB. Cubs 6, Reds 0.

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April 15, 1967 - Drafted - 1966 - 1 year to reach

Cincinnati Reds IP H R ER BB SO HR
Nolan W(1-0) 7.1 6 3 3 2 8 1
Abernathy SV(3) 1.2 0 0 0 2 1 0
Totals 9 6 3 3 4 9 1

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April 9, 1970 - Drafted - 1967 - 3 years to reach

Cincinnati Reds IP H R ER BB SO HR
Simpson W(1-0) 9 2 0 0 0 2 0


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April 10, 1970 - Drafted - 1969 - 1 year to reach

Cincinnati Reds IP H R ER BB SO HR
Washburn 4.2 5 3 3 5 4 0
Gullett 1.1 1 0 0 1 2 0
Granger L(0-1) 2 3 1 1 0 0 0

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June 19, 1983 - Drafted - 1978 - 5 years to reach

Cincinnati Reds AB R H RBI BB SO
Esasky 3b 3 0 0 0 0 1

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April 13, 1986 - Drafted - 1983 - 3 years to reach

Cincinnati Reds AB R H RBI BB SO
Stillwell ss 4 0 1 0 1 0


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August 14, 1988 - Drafted - 1980 - 8 years to reach

Cincinnati Reds IP H R ER BB SO HR
Robinson 2 0 0 0 1 3 0

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May 23, 1987 - Drafted - 1984 - 3 years to reach

Cincinnati Reds IP H R ER BB SO HR
Pacillo L(0-1) 5 5 2 2 0 3 0


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August 13, 1986 - Drafted - 1985 - 1 year to reach

REDS 5TH: Esasky doubled to right; Milner grounded out
(third to first) [Esasky to third]; Oester walked;
LARKIN BATTED FOR MURPHY; Larkin grounded out
(shortstop to first) [Esasky scored, Oester to second]

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June 6, 1989 - Drafted - 1986 - 3 years to reach

Cincinnati Reds IP H R ER BB SO HR
Scudder 6 3 3 3 5 5 1
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June 21, 1988 - Drafted - 1987 - 1 year to reach

Cincinnati Reds IP H R ER BB SO HR
Armstrong L(0-1) 6.1 2 2 2 5 5 0
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September 7, 1992 - Drafted - 1990 - 2 years to reach

WILSON BATTED FOR OLIVER; Wilson struck
out; Debut game for Dan Wilson;

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April 1, 1997 - Drafted - 1991 - 6 years to reach

ROCKIES 9TH: REESE REPLACED LARKIN (PLAYING SS); VANDER WAL
BATTED FOR BURKE; Vander Wal was called out on strikes; Debut
game for Pokey Reese;

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April 22, 1996 - Drafted - 1992 - 4 years to reach

REDS 3RD: Mottola grounded out (pitcher to first)

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June 3, 1995 - Drafted - 1994 - 1 year to reach

Cincinnati Reds IP H R ER BB SO HR
Nitkowski 1 1 0 0 0 0 0

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May 4, 2001 - Drafted - 1997 - 4 years to reach

LARSON BATTED FOR REYES;
Larson popped to first in foul territory; Debut game for
Brandon Larson;

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April 17, 2002 - Drafted - 1998 - 4 years to reach

Cincinnati Reds AB R H RBI BB SO PO A
Kearns lf 3 0 1 1 0 1 3 0

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July 19, 2003 - Drafted - 2003 - Same year

Cincinnati Reds IP H R ER BB SO HR
Wagner 1.2 0 0 0 0 1 0

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Below is a listing of the GM's who were responsible for each draft.




Bill DeWitt
YEAR PLAYER POS PICK
1965 Bernie Carbo OF 16
1966 Gary Nolan RHP 13

Bob Howsam
YEAR PLAYER POS PICK
1967 Wayne Simpson RHP 8
1968 Tim Grant RHP 13
1969 Don Gullett LHP 14
1970 Gary Polczynski SS 15
1971 Mike Miley SS 24
1972 Larry Payne RHP 7
1973 Charles Kessler OF 22
1974 Steve Reed RHP 23
1975 Tony Moretto OF 22
1976 Mark King RHP 23
1977 Tad Venger 3B 24
1978 Nick Esasky SS 17

Dick Wagner
YEAR PLAYER POS PICK
1979 Dan Lamar C 20
1979 Mike Sullivan RHP 22
1980 Ron Robinson RHP 19
1981 NO PICK
1982 Scott Jones LHP 22
1982 Bill Hawley RHP 23
1983 Kurt Stillwell SS 2
1984 Pat Pacillo RHP 5

Bill Bergesch
YEAR PLAYER POS PICK
1985 Barry Larkin SS 4
1986 Scott Scudder RHP 17
1987 Jack Armstrong RHP 18

Murray Cook
YEAR PLAYER POS PICK
1988 NO PICK
1989 Scott Bryant RHP 20

Bob Quinn
YEAR PLAYER POS PICK
1990 Daniel Wilson C 7
1991 Calvin Reese SS 20
1992 Chad Mottola OF 5
1993 NO PICK

Jim Bowden
YEAR PLAYER POS PICK
1994 C.J. Nitkowski LHP 9
1995 NO PICK
1996 John Oliver OF 25
1997 Brandon Larson SS 14
1998 Austin Kearns RF 7
1999 Ty Howington LHP 14
2000 David Espinosa SS 23
2001 Jeremy Sowers LHP 20
2002 Chris Gruler RHP 3
2003 Ryan Wagner RHP 14

Dan O'Brien
YEAR PLAYER POS PICK
2004 Homer Bailey RHP 7
2005 Jay Bruce CF 12

Wayne Krivsky
YEAR PLAYER POS PICK
2006 Robert Stubbs OF 8
2007 Devin Mesoraco C 15

RedsManRick
06-18-2007, 10:51 AM
Dan O'Brien is looking pretty good right now...

Bergesch also was 3 for 3 in terms of players reaching the majors. Of course, Scott Scudder was a psuedonym in my 7 year old for "really crappy pitcher"...

Rojo
06-18-2007, 07:52 PM
Nice work! The nit: Ron Robinson pitched before 1988.

westofyou
06-18-2007, 09:38 PM
Nice work! The nit: Ron Robinson pitched before 1988.

Doh!!

MLB DEBUT: 8/14/1984

thanks.

chicoruiz
06-18-2007, 10:10 PM
As I recall, the "no pick" in 1995 was a result of signing FA C Damon Berryhill- Bowden's worst move ever, in my opinion.

Then in 1996 John Oliver was the guy they took not knowing he suffered from something like night blindness.

Making Brandon Larsen actually their best pick in three years....scary...

Virginia Beach Reds
06-18-2007, 10:13 PM
The Reds draft record has been acutely displayed as absolutely abysmal. Thanks WOY.

15fan
06-19-2007, 08:30 AM
Bowden fared about as well with #1 picks as Juan Castro fares with the bat.

I knew that CJ Nitkowski bounced around for a long time. I didn't realize just how bad (http://www.baseball-reference.com/n/nitkoc.01.shtml) of a pitcher he was. 479.0 career innings pitched, ERA of 5.37.

That's pretty similar to the numbers that Eric Milton put up in 2+ years in Cincinnati.