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Matt700wlw
07-07-2007, 03:49 PM
REDS
Hamilton, cf
Freel, 3b
Griffey Jr., rf
Phillips, 2b
Dunn, lf
Hatteberg, 1b
Valentin, c
Gonzalez, ss
Bailey, rhp

Ltlabner
07-07-2007, 04:03 PM
Well, I guess the reports that Mack wanted to get Javy some time behind the plate and Freel a lot of playing time were true. Yeech.

KronoRed
07-07-2007, 04:05 PM
2nd time in 3 games EE is sitting.

Hmm.

Reds Fanatic
07-07-2007, 04:06 PM
I hate to see Encarnacion sitting so Freel can play. That is 2 of the last 3 games that has happened.

remdog
07-07-2007, 04:37 PM
I like Freel well enough but not at the expense of EE! Stop that! And stop it NOW!

Rem

KronoRed
07-07-2007, 04:37 PM
You could play Freel in LF and Dunn at 1st if you MUST have Freel play

CTA513
07-07-2007, 04:44 PM
How many stolen bases will the Diamondbacks have today?

jesusfan
07-07-2007, 04:54 PM
If having Freel takes time away from Eddie, Phillips, and Hamilton then I say trade him... But only if the return is a major league ready or "close" major league ready arm....

WVRedsFan
07-07-2007, 05:16 PM
If having Freel takes time away from Eddie, Phillips, and Hamilton then I say trade him... But only if the return is a major league ready or "close" major league ready arm....Ain't gonna happen. Freel is the bomb (even when hitting less than .250 and an OBP that would embarrass most). You bat him high in the order so that he can wow the crowd with his dives and hot dog plays. You leave the underappreciated young hot sacker on the bench for the spicy Freel.

You know, I think Miley, Boone, Narron, and Pete had the same father.

Big Klu
07-07-2007, 05:24 PM
Unless Encarnacion has struggled in the past with Brandon Webb (I don't know, but it's very possible), I would have started Edwin at 3B tonight.

I understand that Mack want to get playing time for Freel, and I'm fine with that. But I would have Ryan get his PT tomorrow afternoon in RF, as I would give Griffey Sunday off, since he isn't going to get much rest over the All-Star Break.

oneupper
07-07-2007, 05:55 PM
Unless Encarnacion has struggled in the past with Brandon Webb (I don't know, but it's very possible), I would have started Edwin at 3B tonight.
.

Freel is 1 for 11 vs. Webb
EdE is 1 for 5.

Only acceptable explanation is that EdE doesn't feel good today.

RBA
07-07-2007, 06:03 PM
Ain't gonna happen. Freel is the bomb (even when hitting less than .250 and an OBP that would embarrass most). You bat him high in the order so that he can wow the crowd with his dives and hot dog plays. You leave the underappreciated young hot sacker on the bench for the spicy Freel.

You know, I think Miley, Boone, Narron, and Pete had the same father.

I would rep you if I could. But if I could I coundn't talk about it. :beerme:

Matt700wlw
07-07-2007, 06:37 PM
I'm preparing myself for a roller coaster ride of discussions in tonight's game thread....with Bailey on the hill and all... :)

wally post
07-07-2007, 06:38 PM
Freel is 1 for 11 vs. Webb
EdE is 1 for 5.

Only acceptable explanation is that EdE doesn't feel good today.

OR... the Yankees (or another team) want to see Freel at third again. Any other reason doesn't make sense for sure.

Caveat Emperor
07-07-2007, 06:48 PM
Here's an honest questions: as a manager, if you're pitching a young kid who has been knocked aroudn a lot in his past few starts, don't you want to stay consistent with who catches him? Not to knock Javy, but I'm wondering if it wouldn't be better for him to stick Ross and Bailey together, if for no other reason than Ross has caught a lot of his previous starts and to negate any potential communication difficulties between the two.

Matt700wlw
07-07-2007, 06:49 PM
Here's an honest questions: as a manager, if you're pitching a young kid who has been knocked aroudn a lot in his past few starts, don't you want to stay consistent with who catches him? Not to knock Javy, but I'm wondering if it wouldn't be better for him to stick Ross and Bailey together, if for no other reason than Ross has caught a lot of his previous starts and to negate any potential communication difficulties between the two.

I think Bailey's best start came with Javy behind the plate, if I'm not mistaken.


Coincidence? I don't know.

Matt700wlw
07-07-2007, 07:10 PM
Everybody put on their argument/analyst caps on...here we go!

RBA
07-07-2007, 07:11 PM
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MrCinatit
07-07-2007, 07:12 PM
˙ʎɹoʇs sıɥ ʍouʞ llıʍ ǝʍ puɐ ˙ǝɯɐƃ ɐ ɟo ʞɔǝɥ ɐ ǝʌɐɥ oʇ ƃuıoƃ sı ɹǝɯoɥ

All right. Who replaced my water with LSD?

Matt700wlw
07-07-2007, 07:13 PM
Change up....chopper to Freel, 1 out

RBA
07-07-2007, 07:15 PM
˙ʇsɹıɟ ʇɐ ǝsolɔ ʇɐɥʇ ǝpɐɯ lǝǝɹɟ

RBA
07-07-2007, 07:16 PM
¡ʍǝɹp uo ǝɹǝɥʇ uı ƃuɐɥ oʇ ʎɐʍ 'ɹǝɯoɥ

Matt700wlw
07-07-2007, 07:16 PM
Marty and Jeff questioning how Orlando Hudson is an all-star over Brandon Phillips.....they have a good beef.

Matt700wlw
07-07-2007, 07:17 PM
ʍǝɹp uo ǝɹǝɥʇ uı ƃuɐɥ oʇ ʎɐʍ 'ɹǝɯoɥ

You ok?

Matt700wlw
07-07-2007, 07:17 PM
1,2,3

Nice start

mth123
07-07-2007, 07:17 PM
Good start with 2 Ks.

Reds Fanatic
07-07-2007, 07:17 PM
Hudson strikes out swinging on a 91 MPH fastball. 1-2-3 inning for Homer with 2 K's.

17 pitches (11 strikes, 6 balls)

OnBaseMachine
07-07-2007, 07:18 PM
Great first inning by Homer. Was that a tight slider he struckout Hudson on? Or just a cut fastball, because that thing had some action on it.

Matt700wlw
07-07-2007, 07:18 PM
The MOST important stat after 1 inning

ZERO walks

RBA
07-07-2007, 07:18 PM
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Matt700wlw
07-07-2007, 07:19 PM
I think RBA needs medical attention

dougdirt
07-07-2007, 07:19 PM
Anyone else really like Homers curveball that is more of a 6-8 inch drop off pitch that is tight and really dislike his Zito-like curveball that he tends to leave hanging often?

Patrick Bateman
07-07-2007, 07:20 PM
Best inning yet from HB.

RBA
07-07-2007, 07:20 PM
You ok?

Sorry, I had my laptop upside down. I turned it around.

Nice hustle by Ham!

Matt700wlw
07-07-2007, 07:20 PM
Anyone else really like Homers curveball that is more of a 6-8 inch drop off pitch that is tight and really dislike his Zito-like curveball that he tends to leave hanging often?

He threw one a couple starts ago that was dead on and I think I got physically excited ;)

Reds Fanatic
07-07-2007, 07:21 PM
Hamilton reaches on an error. Freel grounds out moving Hamilton to 2nd.

dougdirt
07-07-2007, 07:23 PM
He threw one a couple starts ago that was dead on and I think I got physically excited ;)

Homer has always thrown 2 types of curveballs. I have always loved his tight curve that breaks more sudden. I have never liked his big sweeping breaking ball, because well, its not as good, easier to hit and he leaves it up a lot.

Reds Fanatic
07-07-2007, 07:24 PM
Junior strikes out swinging. 2 outs.

guttle11
07-07-2007, 07:25 PM
Sorry, I had my laptop upside down. I turned it around.

Nice hustle by Ham!

No posting while on the monkey bars!

Reds Fanatic
07-07-2007, 07:26 PM
Phillips strikes out swinging. 0-0 after 1.

pahster
07-07-2007, 07:26 PM
Marty and Jeff questioning how Orlando Hudson is an all-star over Brandon Phillips.....they have a good beef.

I wouldn't be so sure about that...

Hudson - .298/.382/.458 116 OPS+
Phillips - .277/.325/.487 105 OPS+

Hudson, while slugging about .030 less, is getting on base a lot more than Phillips. His SLG is still pretty decent for a 2B, though. Combine the edge he has in OBP with his superior defense, and I'd say it's really not that close.

OnBaseMachine
07-07-2007, 07:29 PM
Ryan Freel is not a third baseman.

Reds Fanatic
07-07-2007, 07:29 PM
Reynolds doubles just past Freel. I think Edwin may have had that ball.

pahster
07-07-2007, 07:30 PM
Reynolds doubles just past Freel. I think Edwin may have had that ball.

I'd wager Encarnacion would have at least knocked it down.

oneupper
07-07-2007, 07:30 PM
Reynolds doubles just past Freel. I think Edwin may have had that ball.

Baseball starting to make Mack pay for his decisions.

Reds Fanatic
07-07-2007, 07:31 PM
Tracy grounds out to 1st. Reynolds goes to 3rd. 1 out.

penantboundreds
07-07-2007, 07:31 PM
our advance scouts should have put freel closer to third....uhh

Matt700wlw
07-07-2007, 07:31 PM
I wouldn't be so sure about that...

Hudson - .298/.382/.458 116 OPS+
Phillips - .277/.325/.487 105 OPS+

Hudson, while slugging about .030 less, is getting on base a lot more than Phillips. His SLG is still pretty decent for a 2B, though. Combine the edge he has in OBP with his superior defense, and I'd say it's really not that close.

Interesting....I can't argue numbers.

It sounded like they had a good argument :D

penantboundreds
07-07-2007, 07:32 PM
homer should go from the wind-up when a runner is on third and work on his stretch mechanics...

penantboundreds
07-07-2007, 07:33 PM
lots of bats have been flying into the stands lately.....usual with the heat and moisture?

Matt700wlw
07-07-2007, 07:34 PM
3rd K...big strike out there

penantboundreds
07-07-2007, 07:34 PM
very nice

Reds Fanatic
07-07-2007, 07:35 PM
Bailey's 3rd K on a 94 MPH pitch. 2 outs.

penantboundreds
07-07-2007, 07:35 PM
shoulda pitched from the stretch ;-)

Matt700wlw
07-07-2007, 07:35 PM
I still want to see 96-97 MPH :D

Reds Fanatic
07-07-2007, 07:35 PM
Salazar doubles to right center. 1-0 Dbacks.

Matt700wlw
07-07-2007, 07:36 PM
Griffey to the Brewers for 2 top minor league prospects? They definitely have a farm system I'd like to pick from


Marty says that's a rumor out of Milwaukee.

Stormy
07-07-2007, 07:37 PM
That's a beautiful fastball so far tonight, with only a few exceptions, but just way too many of them. Too easy for even subpar offensive players, on an abysmal offense, to guess correctly early in the count.

1-0 D'Backs

RBA
07-07-2007, 07:37 PM
Griffey to the Brewers for 2 top minor league prospects? They definitely have a farm system I'd like to pick from


Marty says that's a rumor out of Milwaukee.


I don't think the Reds trade him inside the division.

Reds Fanatic
07-07-2007, 07:38 PM
Snyder grounds out to 3rd. 1-0 Dbacks mid 2nd.

Bailey: 33 pitches (22 strikes, 11 balls)

MrCinatit
07-07-2007, 07:38 PM
Griffey to the Brewers for 2 top minor league prospects? They definitely have a farm system I'd like to pick from


Marty says that's a rumor out of Milwaukee.

Yeah, but would Griffey agree to go to Milwaukee?

dougdirt
07-07-2007, 07:38 PM
Griffey to the Brewers for 2 top minor league prospects? They definitely have a farm system I'd like to pick from


Marty says that's a rumor out of Milwaukee.

The Brewers top 2 prospects are in Milwaukee right now in Gallardo and Braun (who actually may not be a prospect at this point. He might have gotten his 150 plate appearances in recently).

OnBaseMachine
07-07-2007, 07:38 PM
Homer looks great so far, despite the one run. If our real 3B if playing then that would have been a 1-2-3 inning. Freel is a terrible 3B.

RBA
07-07-2007, 07:39 PM
Reds 0 D'Backs/Freel 1

Matt700wlw
07-07-2007, 07:40 PM
Yeah, but would Griffey agree to go to Milwaukee?

I wouldn't...it's Milwaukee :p: (I have no idea, I've never been to Milwaukee)

I like Miller Beer though :D

Reds Fanatic
07-07-2007, 07:40 PM
Dunn grounds out to 2nd on the first pitch. 1 out.

Matt700wlw
07-07-2007, 07:41 PM
Looks like there's a good number of seats dressed as fans tonight...

Reds Fanatic
07-07-2007, 07:42 PM
Hatteberg grounds out to 1st. 2 outs.

Stormy
07-07-2007, 07:42 PM
The Brewers top 2 prospects are in Milwaukee right now in Gallardo and Braun (who actually may not be a prospect at this point. He might have gotten his 150 plate appearances in recently).

156ABs for Braun as of tonight's first AB HR, and frankly it's about as good as I've seen for the first 150+ABs by a 23 year old rookie in recent memory. What a stud of a bat... just what the already lethal Brewers' offense needed! Why would they want Griffey anyway, as they are just about the best young offense imaginable.

Reds Fanatic
07-07-2007, 07:43 PM
Valentin flies out to center. 1-0 Dbacks after 2.

Reds Fanatic
07-07-2007, 07:45 PM
156ABs for Braun as of tonight's first AB HR, and frankly it's about as good as I've seen for the first 150+ABs by a 23 year old rookie in recent memory. What a stud of a bat... just what the already lethal Brewers' offense needed! Why would they want Griffey anyway, as they are just about the best young offense imaginable.
They did just lose outfielder Bill Hall for 2 to 6 weeks with a high ankle sprain. That may be one reason they are looking at Junior.

Reds Fanatic
07-07-2007, 07:46 PM
Webb grounds out to 1st. 1 out.

mth123
07-07-2007, 07:47 PM
156ABs for Braun as of tonight's first AB HR, and frankly it's about as good as I've seen for the first 150+ABs by a 23 year old rookie in recent memory. What a stud of a bat... just what the already lethal Brewers' offense needed! Why would they want Griffey anyway, as they are just about the best young offense imaginable.

Bill Hall got hurt. Not sure they have what we'd want without wrecking their team. I doubt they deal Gallardo.

Matt700wlw
07-07-2007, 07:47 PM
Nice change up

Matt700wlw
07-07-2007, 07:48 PM
94 mph fastball to 78 mph curveball

Matt700wlw
07-07-2007, 07:48 PM
1st walk

Reds Fanatic
07-07-2007, 07:49 PM
Byrnes walks.

OnBaseMachine
07-07-2007, 07:49 PM
Beautiful 1-1 curveball to Byrnes. Really fooled him with that pitch but then he dropped it for two fastballs and a Zito-like curve. Not smart pitching there.

Matt700wlw
07-07-2007, 07:50 PM
Javy's arm is horrid

Reds Fanatic
07-07-2007, 07:50 PM
Byrnes steals 2nd. Boy Valentin's arm is just horrible.

penantboundreds
07-07-2007, 07:50 PM
wow

Matt700wlw
07-07-2007, 07:50 PM
New catcher please...Javy is clueless out there

penantboundreds
07-07-2007, 07:50 PM
javy could have thrown him out?

Reds Fanatic
07-07-2007, 07:51 PM
Bailey did not look at the runner and Byrnes easily steals 3rd.

RFS62
07-07-2007, 07:51 PM
any more questions about the importance of advance scouting?

CTA513
07-07-2007, 07:51 PM
Maybe they can keep it under 10 steals for the Diamondbacks tonight?

Matt700wlw
07-07-2007, 07:52 PM
javy could have thrown him out?

Probably not, because he can't throw anybody out....but he didn't even look at 3rd.

Bad combo...a pitcher easy to run on and a catcher who can't throw

penantboundreds
07-07-2007, 07:52 PM
thats the same pitch he threw to sizemore, what a pitch

Reds Fanatic
07-07-2007, 07:52 PM
Drew strikes out looking on an 88 MPH pitch. 2 outs. 4 Ks for Bailey.

OnBaseMachine
07-07-2007, 07:52 PM
Nasty 2-1 curveball on Drew followed by a cut fastball on the outside corner to K Drew. Great pitching there. I wish he would have used that curve again on Byrnes.

penantboundreds
07-07-2007, 07:52 PM
i thought he should have had a shot at byrnes, i mean he got a good jump but it wasnt a walking lead or anything...

OnBaseMachine
07-07-2007, 07:54 PM
Very nice curve to Hudson. 2-2 count.

Matt700wlw
07-07-2007, 07:54 PM
oooh...curve

Matt700wlw
07-07-2007, 07:54 PM
There's that curve...I like the curve

OnBaseMachine
07-07-2007, 07:54 PM
Homer: 3 IP, 2 H, 1 R, 1 BB, 4 K

Reds Fanatic
07-07-2007, 07:55 PM
Hudson lines out to short. 1-0 Dbacks mid 3rd.

Bailey: 54 pitches (33 strikes, 21 balls)

penantboundreds
07-07-2007, 07:55 PM
in that situation its "somehow they seem to riggle out of it" but if the reds stranded that guy at third it would have been "and the reds can't play 'little ball' yet again"

everyone see the difference in george grande?

Matt700wlw
07-07-2007, 07:55 PM
So far it looks like Homer saw what adjustment needed to be made from his last start, and he made it.

Good to see from a young pitcher.

penantboundreds
07-07-2007, 07:56 PM
or george might have went with 'but brandon webb was the ace he was and got out of it'

Stormy
07-07-2007, 07:56 PM
oooh...curve

Yea, when you have everyone expecting fastball in that count, it doesn't always even have to be perfectly located (as those 2 hangers certainly weren't). Still, Bailey's best looking outing to date through 3IP, in my opinion, even including the apparent success of his appearance versus the A's.

Reds Fanatic
07-07-2007, 07:57 PM
Gonzalez strikes out swinging. 2nd bat in the stands tonight.

Matt700wlw
07-07-2007, 07:57 PM
Yea, when you have everyone expecting fastball in that count, it doesn't always even have to be perfectly located (as those 2 hangers certainly weren't). Still, Bailey's best looking outing to date through 3IP, in my opinion, even including the apparent success of his appearance versus the A's.

He looks to be in more control tonight....that's good. That's learning. That's adjusting.

Reds Fanatic
07-07-2007, 07:58 PM
Bailey strikes out looking. 2 outs. 4 Ks for Webb.

penantboundreds
07-07-2007, 07:59 PM
what in the world?

Stormy
07-07-2007, 07:59 PM
Gonzalez with a pretty bush league mentality, not even caring to see where his bat landed in the stands.

Matt700wlw
07-07-2007, 07:59 PM
Edwin batting for Josh....what's wrong with Josh?

I'm concerned, now...

Reds Fanatic
07-07-2007, 07:59 PM
Josh was in the on deck circle and suddenly had to leave the game. He may be sick. EE pinch hitting.

penantboundreds
07-07-2007, 07:59 PM
he swallowed some chew

penantboundreds
07-07-2007, 08:00 PM
i thought it looked like josh's toe or ankle though i have no idea?

Matt700wlw
07-07-2007, 08:00 PM
he swallowed some chew

Could have....that's icky (from what I hear...I've never chewed)

SteelSD
07-07-2007, 08:00 PM
That was odd. Hamilton was on deck, went back to the dugout, and now Encarnacion is hitting.

Reds Fanatic
07-07-2007, 08:01 PM
Encarnacion strikes out swinging. 5 Ks for Webb. 1-0 Dbacks after 3.

Kc61
07-07-2007, 08:01 PM
Now you know why EE didn't start. Bad matchup for him.

oneupper
07-07-2007, 08:02 PM
Hamilton went into the clubhouse. He's probably hurt.

Reds Fanatic
07-07-2007, 08:02 PM
Freel goes to center, Encarnacion in to play 3rd.

Stormy
07-07-2007, 08:02 PM
That was odd. Hamilton was on deck, went back to the dugout, and now Encarnacion is hitting.

Showed him grimacing on first base after running out the grounder in his first AB, but seems strange he would have managed to play the field for 2 innings only to feel he couldn't continue right before his AB??

CTA513
07-07-2007, 08:02 PM
Now you know why EE didn't start. Bad matchup for him.

Looking at the box score it looks like all the Reds shouldn't have started.

Matt700wlw
07-07-2007, 08:03 PM
Hope Josh is ok....and it's nothing serious.

OnBaseMachine
07-07-2007, 08:03 PM
Nice changeup to Reynolds on 0-1.

Reds Fanatic
07-07-2007, 08:05 PM
Reynolds strikes out swinging on a 92 MPH pitch. 5 Ks for Bailey. 1 out.

Stormy
07-07-2007, 08:05 PM
Now you know why EE didn't start. Bad matchup for him.

Webb is a 'bad matchup' for most RHH, whom he holds to a .212 BA, 1.03 WHIP, and a K per inning. Might as well load up with LHH, though not sure why Freel is a better candidate to start against him.

Matt700wlw
07-07-2007, 08:05 PM
5 Ks, 1 bb

OnBaseMachine
07-07-2007, 08:05 PM
5th strikeout for Homer.

Reds Fanatic
07-07-2007, 08:06 PM
Tracy fouls out to 3rd. 2 outs.

SteelSD
07-07-2007, 08:06 PM
Showed him grimacing on first base after running out the grounder in his first AB, but seems strange he would have managed to play the field for 2 innings only to feel he couldn't continue right before his AB??

Maybe he just really had to take a dookie?:dunno:

penantboundreds
07-07-2007, 08:06 PM
i wish harang would teach our pitchers how to pitch, just saying...no drag on homer as it seems he really does have some instincts on the mound and knows how to pitch but does harang go in and out and up and down in the zone better than anyone in our rotation or what.....

Matt700wlw
07-07-2007, 08:07 PM
I like the fact that that Bailey is using more breaking pitches tonight...even if the location isn't great....it means he's getting more comfortable....it also allows him to work on those pitches to get them "major league ready" as they say

Big Klu
07-07-2007, 08:08 PM
Once again, George can't be bothered to tell us about the substitution until there are two outs in the inning! I know we all knew what it was likely to be, but can't the folks at FSN give us the changes at the beginning of the inning?! :angry:

Matt700wlw
07-07-2007, 08:09 PM
2 bb

Reds Fanatic
07-07-2007, 08:09 PM
Hairston walks.

SteelSD
07-07-2007, 08:11 PM
Bailey really struggling with command right now with an erratic release point on anything above 92 MPH with the fastball.

Reds Fanatic
07-07-2007, 08:12 PM
Wild pitch moves the runner to 2nd.

Matt700wlw
07-07-2007, 08:12 PM
Settle down, Homer...

OnBaseMachine
07-07-2007, 08:13 PM
Homer: 4 IP, 2 H, 1 R, 2 BB, 5 K

WVRedsFan
07-07-2007, 08:13 PM
ʍou ƃuıɔıuɐd ǝɥʇ doʇs ǝʍ uɐɔ uʍop ǝǝɹɥʇ 'dn ǝǝɹɥʇ
How you doing that?

Reds Fanatic
07-07-2007, 08:14 PM
Salazar lines out to right. 1-0 Dbacks mid 4th.

Bailey: 73 pitches (43 strikes, 30 balls)

MrCinatit
07-07-2007, 08:16 PM
A hit! We got a hit!

Reds Fanatic
07-07-2007, 08:16 PM
Freel singles to left.

SteelSD
07-07-2007, 08:17 PM
Freel singles off the LF wall. Yes, off the wall.

Maybe he should have swung less hard? ;)

Reds Fanatic
07-07-2007, 08:18 PM
Junior walks on 4 pitches. 1st and 2nd.

Matt700wlw
07-07-2007, 08:18 PM
Freel singles off the LF wall. Yes, off the wall.

Maybe he should have swung less hard? ;)

Ryan Freel can even get hits correctly ;)

MrCinatit
07-07-2007, 08:18 PM
Webb and the catcher both seemed distracted by Freel. Speed will do that for you.

Redmachine2003
07-07-2007, 08:18 PM
Homer looks like he spends to much time trying to miss the bat instead of going right after the hitter and teasing them with the curve and change up to get the quick outs.

oneupper
07-07-2007, 08:19 PM
Aflac Question

I say Rose.

RedsManRick
07-07-2007, 08:19 PM
Great to see the Ks from Homer, but yikes on his pitch efficiency. He's just all over the place. It seems like he's really trying to make a perfect pitch on the first pitch and then if he ends up behind in the count he nibbles.

You watch him against Stephen Drew and he's much more confident and "attacks" more early in the count.

oneupper
07-07-2007, 08:20 PM
Aflac Question:

Who has started at more different positions in an ASG?

MrCinatit
07-07-2007, 08:20 PM
Aflac Question

I say Rose.

First name that came to my mind, as well.

Matt700wlw
07-07-2007, 08:20 PM
Aflac Question:

Who has started at more different positions in an ASG?

I'm with those who say Peter Edward Rose

Big Klu
07-07-2007, 08:21 PM
I wouldn't...it's Milwaukee :p: (I have no idea, I've never been to Milwaukee)

I like Miller Beer though :D

I've been to Milwaukee once--it's actually a nice town. It is very slow-paced--much slower paced than Cincinnati. It has a small-town feel to it.

Matt700wlw
07-07-2007, 08:21 PM
I've been to Milwaukee once--it's actually a nice town. It is very slow-paced--much slower paced than Cincinnati. It has a small-town feel to it.

I wouldn't think that.

Reds Fanatic
07-07-2007, 08:21 PM
Phillips can't check his swing and strikes out swinging. 1 out.

Big Klu
07-07-2007, 08:23 PM
Aflac Question:

Who has started at more different positions in an ASG?


Aflac Question

I say Rose.


First name that came to my mind, as well.


I'm with those who say Peter Edward Rose

That's my answer, too.

Reds Fanatic
07-07-2007, 08:23 PM
Double steal. Freel steals 3rd, Junior steals 2nd.

jesusfan
07-07-2007, 08:23 PM
Double steal... nice!

jesusfan
07-07-2007, 08:24 PM
Mackanin being aggressive... I like it...

Reds Fanatic
07-07-2007, 08:24 PM
Dunn singles to center. Tie game 1-1. 1st and 3rd.

jesusfan
07-07-2007, 08:24 PM
Dunn singles in Freel... Griffey to 3rd... 1st and 3rd... 1-1!

Matt700wlw
07-07-2007, 08:24 PM
Dunner!!!!

I'm liking his approach lately

OnBaseMachine
07-07-2007, 08:25 PM
It looks like Freel somehow missed homeplate on that Dunn single.

Matt700wlw
07-07-2007, 08:26 PM
The 3rd to first move almost worked.....Abner was a baby the last time it worked, you know ;)

VR
07-07-2007, 08:27 PM
Dunn approach after having 2 strikes this year is a long awaited change for the positive.

Big Klu
07-07-2007, 08:27 PM
I wouldn't think that.

One thing about Milwaukee is that Miller Park (like its predecessor, Milwaukee County Stadium) is literally out in the middle of nowhere--there is nothing but cow pastures around it. You really can't feasibly walk to the ballpark--you have to drive or take a cab. Fortunately, there is tons of parking (more parking lots than I have ever seen at a ballpark). It's like King's Island's parking area.

SteelSD
07-07-2007, 08:27 PM
It looks like Freel somehow missed homeplate on that Dunn single.

Probably saw two of them and guessed wrong?

Reds Fanatic
07-07-2007, 08:27 PM
Hatteberg grounds into a 4-6 fielder's choice. 2-1 Reds. 2 outs.

Matt700wlw
07-07-2007, 08:28 PM
Small ball leads to runs!

jesusfan
07-07-2007, 08:28 PM
Hatte grounds softly to 2nd.. Griff scores... 2-1 Reds

Reds Fanatic
07-07-2007, 08:28 PM
Valentin grounds out to 2nd. 2-1 Reds after 4.

RBA
07-07-2007, 08:29 PM
Aflac Question:

Who has started at more different positions in an ASG?


It has to be Chris Denorfia.

jesusfan
07-07-2007, 08:30 PM
If we don't do the double steal that inning we only score 1 run, if that...

OnBaseMachine
07-07-2007, 08:30 PM
Probably saw two of them and guessed wrong?

Nah, he probably forgot what homeplate looked like. Afterall, most of the time he gets picked off before he gets a chance to cross homeplate. :)

Big Klu
07-07-2007, 08:31 PM
Now why would someone take a little baby like that to the game?

Matt700wlw
07-07-2007, 08:31 PM
Future Cy Young winner vs reigning Cy Young winner :)

Reds Fanatic
07-07-2007, 08:31 PM
Snyder grounds out to short. 1 out.

Matt700wlw
07-07-2007, 08:31 PM
Now why would someone take a little baby like that to the game?

It makes no sense to me...

SteelSD
07-07-2007, 08:31 PM
Nah, he probably forgot what homeplate looked like. Afterall, most of the time he gets picked off before he gets a chance to cross homeplate. :)

:laugh:

flyer85
07-07-2007, 08:32 PM
Freel singles off the LF wall. Yes, off the wall.

Maybe he should have swung less hard? ;)Nah, he was dogging it. It's the only reason you don't get a double on a ball hit off the wall.

Reds Fanatic
07-07-2007, 08:33 PM
Webb fouls out to 1st. 2 outs.

Matt700wlw
07-07-2007, 08:33 PM
curve

Big Klu
07-07-2007, 08:34 PM
Chris, he only started in eight All-Star Games. It's not like he only played in eight All-Star Games!

Matt700wlw
07-07-2007, 08:35 PM
95

OnBaseMachine
07-07-2007, 08:35 PM
Easy 1-2-3 5th inning for Homer.

5 IP, 2 H, 1 R, 2 BB, 5 K

Reds Fanatic
07-07-2007, 08:36 PM
Byrnes pops out to 3rd. 2-1 Reds mid 5th.

Bailey: 87 pitches (51 strikes, 36 balls)

MrCinatit
07-07-2007, 08:37 PM
Chris, he only started in eight All-Star Games. It's not like he only played in eight All-Star Games!

Yeah, I had to look up his stats to see what all of the excitement was about.
Not everyone automatically gets voted in as the starter in the All-Star game, no mater what a la Ozzie.

TOBTTReds
07-07-2007, 08:37 PM
Now why would someone take a little baby like that to the game?

Gotta have them weened on it, therefore there is no way they can say no when they are older. :D

Big Klu
07-07-2007, 08:37 PM
It makes no sense to me...

The baby isn't going to enjoy being there, and the adult (and the folks sitting around them) isn't going to enjoy the game because the baby (who, for those who aren't watching, appeared to be only 3-4 months old) is fussy. Plus, there's always the chance that some idiot is going to spill beer on the baby!

If you can't find a sitter, stay at home!

Matt700wlw
07-07-2007, 08:38 PM
Now why would someone take a little baby like that to the game?

Pick up chicks

Reds Fanatic
07-07-2007, 08:38 PM
Gonzalez strikes out swinging. 1 out.

Reds Fanatic
07-07-2007, 08:39 PM
That is surprising. Bailey is out the game. Keppinger pinch hitting.

MrCinatit
07-07-2007, 08:39 PM
Homer being taken out after five innings.
I actually like that decision and wish Narron had done the same thing from the start.

Matt700wlw
07-07-2007, 08:40 PM
Homer being taken out after five innings.
I actually like that decision and wish Narron had done the same thing from the start.

I would have let him go 1 more....at 87 pitches.

Too much babying if you ask me.


Maybe it's more of a confidence builder...I can see that...if that's the case, I'm ok with it.

Reds Fanatic
07-07-2007, 08:40 PM
Keppinger walks.

OnBaseMachine
07-07-2007, 08:40 PM
Wow. He's pulling Homer after 87 pitches. He still had another inning in him, but I would rather he pull him early than to let him throw 110 pitches. Pete is the exact opposite of Narron.

Big Klu
07-07-2007, 08:40 PM
Pick up chicks

Approximately one year ago, that wasn't a problem for him!

Matt700wlw
07-07-2007, 08:40 PM
:ede:

:jump:

Reds Fanatic
07-07-2007, 08:40 PM
Encarnacion homers to left! 4-1 Reds!

MrCinatit
07-07-2007, 08:41 PM
Ed E! Bench THAT!

VR
07-07-2007, 08:41 PM
That is managing. Bailey is out the game. Keppinger pinch hitting.

corrected :)

RBA
07-07-2007, 08:41 PM
Nice homerun for someone who can't play the game the right way.

Big Klu
07-07-2007, 08:41 PM
Way to go, Edwin!

Reds Fanatic
07-07-2007, 08:42 PM
Freel doubles to left and is almost out going past the base.

penantboundreds
07-07-2007, 08:42 PM
ive never seen that before?

penantboundreds
07-07-2007, 08:43 PM
even the best struggle to hold on runners....remember that homer

Big Klu
07-07-2007, 08:43 PM
Freel-wheelin'! ;)

Matt700wlw
07-07-2007, 08:43 PM
I bet Freel was annoying as a child

Reds Fanatic
07-07-2007, 08:43 PM
Freel steals 3rd.

SteelSD
07-07-2007, 08:43 PM
Apparently the Edwin v Webb matchup IS bad...

...for Webb?

Now Freel swings less hard and does get his Double...after nearly sliding into LF.

jesusfan
07-07-2007, 08:43 PM
I love this energetic style of baseball...

Big Klu
07-07-2007, 08:43 PM
I feel a steal of home coming on. ;)

penantboundreds
07-07-2007, 08:44 PM
and boom goes the dynamite

OnBaseMachine
07-07-2007, 08:44 PM
More dumb baserunning by Ryan Freel.

RBA
07-07-2007, 08:44 PM
Freel is an IDIOT!

jesusfan
07-07-2007, 08:45 PM
Even though he got thrown out I like the aggressiveness...

Reds Fanatic
07-07-2007, 08:45 PM
Junior grounds back to Webb and Freel gets caught in a rundown. Junior ends up on 2nd. 2 outs.

MrCinatit
07-07-2007, 08:45 PM
Freel might be exciting, but he still is not a very bright ballplayer.

Matt700wlw
07-07-2007, 08:45 PM
Webb with a fake job

Reds Fanatic
07-07-2007, 08:45 PM
Phillips grounds out to 3rd. 4-1 Reds after 5.

penantboundreds
07-07-2007, 08:45 PM
i like it.....griffey still scores on a single maybe? nothing really hurt there if u ask me....and freel had a legit shot at scoring

SteelSD
07-07-2007, 08:45 PM
I bet Freel was annoying as a child

As a child? Heck, even as an adult I figure ephedrine actually calms him down.

Aronchis
07-07-2007, 08:46 PM
Poor performance by Webb tonight. The Reds are getting lucky while the overachieving Diamondbacks are imploding. About right.

Bailey looked better, but this was like going against a mini-AAA team. No surprise.

penantboundreds
07-07-2007, 08:46 PM
aronchis, no love?

Matt700wlw
07-07-2007, 08:47 PM
Poor performance by Webb tonight. The Reds are getting lucky while the overachieving Diamondbacks are imploding. About right.

Bailey looked better, but this was like going against a mini-AAA team. No surprise.

Baby steps....progress...

confidence builder.

Strikes Out Looking
07-07-2007, 08:47 PM
Just got here--what happened to Hamilton? The player, not the city.

jesusfan
07-07-2007, 08:47 PM
Poor performance by Webb tonight. The Reds are getting lucky while the overachieving Diamondbacks are imploding. About right.

Bailey looked better, but this was like going against a mini-AAA team. No surprise.

I disagree.. The D-Backs are not that bad... no they are not the Anaheim Angels, but they are not the Nationals either....

Reds Fanatic
07-07-2007, 08:48 PM
Stanton in to pitch.

guttle11
07-07-2007, 08:48 PM
Freel is a nutcase, but I love the little guy.

Reds Fanatic
07-07-2007, 08:49 PM
Just got here--what happened to Hamilton? The player, not the city.

Have not heard yet he just left the game suddenly in the 3rd inning.

penantboundreds
07-07-2007, 08:49 PM
does anyone agree with my assessment of the freel play?

Reds Fanatic
07-07-2007, 08:50 PM
Drew grounds out to 2nd. 1 out.

Stormy
07-07-2007, 08:50 PM
I'm assuming that Freel is under some sort of contractual obligation to negate anything positive he does within a matter of seconds. For a guy with speed, who gets decent jumps, he has to be the worst baserunner I've ever witnessed. Glad he didn't play in the day of 'greenies', as he might have spontaneously imploded.

Reds Fanatic
07-07-2007, 08:50 PM
Hudson grounds out to short. 2 outs.

oneupper
07-07-2007, 08:50 PM
does anyone agree with my assessment of the freel play?

I disagree, if that helps.

Aronchis
07-07-2007, 08:50 PM
I disagree.. The D-Backs are not that bad... no they are not the Anaheim Angels, but they are not the Nationals either....

Dbacks aren't that good. Poor performances by Webb doesn't help the matter. He can pitch much better than he did tonight.

BCubb2003
07-07-2007, 08:51 PM
does anyone agree with my assessment of the freel play?

If it hadn't been for Freel, there wouldn't have been a Freel on third in the first place.

OnBaseMachine
07-07-2007, 08:51 PM
The D-Backs are six games over .500 in the very tough NL West, but because Homer Bailey pitched well against them, they are only a mini-AAA team according to Reds fans. Reds fans are so funny sometimes.

Stormy
07-07-2007, 08:52 PM
I disagree.. The D-Backs are not that bad... no they are not the Anaheim Angels, but they are not the Nationals either....

They're arguably the next worst offense in the NL, but regardless, I thought it was Homer's best showing from the first pitch he threw.

Reds Fanatic
07-07-2007, 08:52 PM
Reynolds pops out to 2nd. Good inning for Stanton. 4-1 Reds mid 6th.

Matt700wlw
07-07-2007, 08:53 PM
They're arguably the next worst offense in the NL, but regardless, I thought it was Homer's best showing from the first pitch he threw.

If the schedule says that he pitches against St. Rita's, then so be it. He still has to pitch, and make adjustments and throw the ball over the plate.


He looked like a different pitcher on the hill tonight, a sign that he is learning. A sign that MENTALLY he is ready to be here.....he could have completely folded already after being beaten to a pulp the past two outings.

oneupper
07-07-2007, 08:54 PM
I'm liking Mack pulling Bailey as an indicator of his managerial style.
BP's rested (Lohse CG last night)...needs some work and the team was in need of some tack on runs.

PH for the pitcher is usually a high percentage move.

penantboundreds
07-07-2007, 08:54 PM
guys--- i am asking in a questioning mode

doesnt it make sense that that gamble was calculated and worth it though? if you are going to try it make sure u get the runner to second that is behind you, which he did....? if webb throws it he scores, he didn't and we had a guy on second....which has just about the same likelieness as scoring from third? (i understand this time it was griffey but say it's someone else?

Big Klu
07-07-2007, 08:55 PM
does anyone agree with my assessment of the freel play?

I was OK with it. Webb did a great job of decoying the runner--he would have gotten me, too.

Reds Fanatic
07-07-2007, 08:56 PM
Dunn flies out to left.

Hatteberg singles to right.

Reds Fanatic
07-07-2007, 08:57 PM
Valentin strikes out swinging. 2 outs.

pedro
07-07-2007, 08:58 PM
I really like that Mackanin took Homer out after 87 pitches.

Reds Fanatic
07-07-2007, 08:58 PM
Gonzalez grounds into a 6-4 force out. 4-1 Reds after 6.

oneupper
07-07-2007, 08:59 PM
guys--- i am asking in a questioning mode

doesnt it make sense that that gamble was calculated and worth it though? if you are going to try it make sure u get the runner to second that is behind you, which he did....? if webb throws it he scores, he didn't and we had a guy on second....which has just about the same likelieness as scoring from third? (i understand this time it was griffey but say it's someone else?

You are right. The run expectancy w/2 out is about the same with a man on second as with a man on third.

I just prefer to see the ball get by the pitcher.

Big Klu
07-07-2007, 08:59 PM
Hamilton with a sprained right wrist.

Look for Mack to sit him tomorrow, as he will get four days off with the All-Star Break.

Matt700wlw
07-07-2007, 08:59 PM
Klu beat me to it

TeamBoone
07-07-2007, 08:59 PM
Hamilton: sprained right wrist. Weird that it didn't hurt until he swung the bat... or isn't that weird?

Reds Fanatic
07-07-2007, 08:59 PM
Hamilton left due to an injured hand/wrist according to Gameday.

Matt700wlw
07-07-2007, 09:00 PM
Do the pitchers seem more relaxed than they did before? Sure it's still very early in the probably 80 game MacKanin era, but just an observation.