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reds44
07-12-2007, 07:41 PM
Hanigan DH
Janish SS
Bellhorn 2B
Herr 3B
Bannon RF
Bruce CF
Gutierrez 1B
Jorgesen C
Dickerson LF

Homer on the mound

cincy09
07-12-2007, 07:52 PM
I think I would rather watch this game!

StrikeIndicator
07-12-2007, 07:57 PM
what a stout line up, this might be a better game card than the Reds:beerme:

indy_dave00
07-12-2007, 08:01 PM
Would have really liked to have seen Joey Votto playing. But like reds 44 said he played in the AAA All Star game last night and probably had an early wake up call and flight back to Louisville.

captainmorgan07
07-12-2007, 08:01 PM
this is a very intersting game with 4 of the reds top 10 prosepects all playing at once. This is a glimpse of what the future could look like minus a few vets and AAA fodder.

indy_dave00
07-12-2007, 08:01 PM
Wow Dave Miley is the Scranton manager I'd forgotten that fact.

Chi-Town Red
07-12-2007, 08:02 PM
this is a very intersting game with 4 of the reds top 10 prosepects all playing at once. This is a glimpse of what the future could look like minus a few vets and AAA fodder.like Mark Bellhorn?:D

OnBaseMachine
07-12-2007, 08:17 PM
Homer: 1 IP, 1 H, 0 R, 0 BB, 2 K

indy_dave00
07-12-2007, 08:18 PM
Homer struggles with control allowing a single and stolen base by Christain, but comes back to strikeout Reese and AAA All Star Shelby Duncan to retire the side.

Aronchis
07-12-2007, 08:23 PM
The Reds obviously expect Bruce to be a bit overmatched dropping him low in the order. We shall see if they are correct.

BearcatShane
07-12-2007, 08:27 PM
The Reds obviously expect Bruce to be a bit overmatched dropping him low in the order. We shall see if they are correct.


Bruce is more prepared than Janish and he's hitting second. I highly doubt they expect him the be overmatched. Honestly, I think they think Hamilton will be gone for a prolonged period of time and they will call up Bruce when Griffey, Dunn or both is traded. You don't wanna outfield of Hopper, Freel, and Wise.

OnBaseMachine
07-12-2007, 08:31 PM
Homer: 2 IP, 2 H, 0 R, 1 BB, 3 K

Matt700wlw
07-12-2007, 08:33 PM
The Reds obviously expect Bruce to be a bit overmatched dropping him low in the order. We shall see if they are correct.

Jay Bruce has yet to have much trouble against anybody...hopefully that trend continues

OnBaseMachine
07-12-2007, 08:35 PM
Bruce lines out to RF in his first atbat.

Chi-Town Red
07-12-2007, 08:49 PM
Jay Bruce has yet to have much trouble against anybody...hopefully that trend continuesAmen to that:thumbup:

Prf15
07-12-2007, 09:05 PM
Aaron Herr walks to bring in a run, tied up.

Prf15
07-12-2007, 09:06 PM
Bannon singles to drive home Janish and Dickerson, 3-1 LOU.

Jay Bruce is up.

joshnky
07-12-2007, 09:07 PM
Bruce with a GO to the pitcher.

Prf15
07-12-2007, 09:08 PM
This guy has amazing plate disicpline, first two pitches are fouls and the next two are balls just out of the zone, he ended up grounding back to pitcher but that was good plate disicpline.

flyer85
07-12-2007, 09:27 PM
Homer getting beat around ... 5BBs as well.

joshnky
07-12-2007, 09:27 PM
Homer is getting hammered. Christian triples in three for Scranton and Homer has now allowed 5 runs this inning.

Santos in to pitch.

RedLegSuperStar
07-12-2007, 09:27 PM
Homer getting beat around ... 5BBs as well.

6 ER's

ochoa30
07-12-2007, 09:28 PM
i guess we can forget seeing bailey anytime soon, that was just horrible to watch. Until he can get through 7 in 100 pitches he should not be back up. I am a bailey supporter but its clear he has major work to do.

reds44
07-12-2007, 09:28 PM
Leave Homer in AAA please.

Aronchis
07-12-2007, 09:28 PM
Actually, Bailey threw some good stuff the first 2 innings. Began laboring in the 3rd.

Somebody didn't like being demoted.

dougdirt
07-12-2007, 09:33 PM
Actually, Bailey threw some good stuff the first 2 innings. Began laboring in the 3rd.

Somebody didn't like being demoted.

Not making excuses, but I wouldn't like it either coming off a start where I allowed 1 run on 2 hits.

Aronchis
07-12-2007, 09:37 PM
Not making excuses, but I wouldn't like it either coming off a start where I allowed 1 run on 2 hits.

No excuse, Bailey threw a temper tantrum tonight. Another reason why he should have NEVER been called up in the first place. The longer he went into the game the more you could read on his body language he wasn't mentally in it. Getting beat around in the majors means little to a guy like Bailey. He only remembers his last start.

Krivsky should give Bailey a firm talking to. That kind of attitude isn't necessary nor forgiven.

Matt700wlw
07-12-2007, 09:41 PM
Homer getting beat around ... 5BBs as well.

So does this mean he's not ready for AAA either?


;)

BigREDSfaninKY
07-12-2007, 09:41 PM
Krivsky should give Bailey a firm talking to. That kind of attitude isn't necessary nor forgiven.

I completely agree, better nip this in the bud right now so not to happen again.

Aronchis
07-12-2007, 09:46 PM
Similiarly in Dayton 2005, Bailey pitched well the first 2 months of the season but in June began getting used out of the bullpen more often(tandom system). He struggled to the end of July, when mysteriously after they scrapped the tandom system for the rest of the season, he began pitching better.

Bailey's attitude is his biggest weakness. He is bigger in his own mind than he really is. Even though he hadn't really dominated AAA yet and got a undeserved callup, he is the king of everything.

dougdirt
07-12-2007, 09:56 PM
Bobby Livingston out of the bullpen?

Its official, I am as confused as can be.

OnBaseMachine
07-12-2007, 09:58 PM
Are we just assuming that Bailey threw a temper tantrum tonight?Bbecause it sure sounds like it.

Matt700wlw
07-12-2007, 09:58 PM
Bobby Livingston out of the bullpen?

Its official, I am as confused as can be.

Maybe he won't start on Monday.....then again, maybe it's his day to throw...

I haven't the foggiest idea

Matt700wlw
07-12-2007, 09:59 PM
Are we just assuming that Bailey threw a temper tantrum tonight?Bbecause it sure sounds like it.

That's what I'm guessing...unless they're watching the game somehow or have proof

reds44
07-12-2007, 09:59 PM
Maybe he won't start on Monday.....then again, maybe it's his day to throw...

I haven't the foggiest
Dumatrait?
Cueto? :evil:

OnBaseMachine
07-12-2007, 10:00 PM
Todd Frazier is playing SS and batting third tonight for Billings.

Matt700wlw
07-12-2007, 10:00 PM
Dumatrait?
Cueto? :evil:

I wouldn't mind Dumatrait....

Cueto is a bit of a stretch, I would guess :)

BearcatShane
07-12-2007, 10:01 PM
I think we should give Dumatrait a shot.

reds44
07-12-2007, 10:01 PM
I wouldn't mind Dumatrait....

Cueto is a bit of a stretch, I would guess :)
Yeah, I was kidding. Livingston, Dumatrait, Ramirez, and Gardner are all options.

OnBaseMachine
07-12-2007, 10:04 PM
Jay Bruce homerun!!!!

indy_dave00
07-12-2007, 10:06 PM
Even listening on radio I heard that special sound when Jay Bruce hits a ball hard #16 on theseason rbi #65.

reds44
07-12-2007, 10:07 PM
Bruuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuce.

Matt700wlw
07-12-2007, 10:07 PM
How about that! Good way to kick off your debut!

dougdirt
07-12-2007, 10:07 PM
Bruce Springstein has nothing on The Boss.

TC81190
07-12-2007, 10:14 PM
Homer needs work. If he still has trouble getting through 3, it sounds like maybe he's going to have to go to the BP at some point.

Get. Another. Pitch.

BearcatShane
07-12-2007, 10:15 PM
Bruce Springstein has nothing on The Boss.

Is that really his nickname or was that just a sugestion on here? If that is his real nickname I really like it.

dougdirt
07-12-2007, 10:16 PM
Its his real nickname. Baseball America tabbed him 'The Boss' about May of last year.

dougdirt
07-12-2007, 10:17 PM
Jay Bruce guns out a runner at the plate to end the inning.

I bet girls faint when he walks by.

indy_dave00
07-12-2007, 10:18 PM
Okay Bruce throws out a runner at the plate. Who is the true natural Jay Bruce or Josh Hamilton?

reds44
07-12-2007, 10:22 PM
Dickerson: 2-2, BB

Redman15
07-12-2007, 10:23 PM
Sarasota is losing 7-3 in the B7. Valaika continues to struggle in A+. He is 3 for 30 and is hitting .100. Griffin was bumped up to Chattanooga today.

Chi-Town Red
07-12-2007, 10:25 PM
Jay Bruce homerun!!!!
what a player....what cant he do?

Chi-Town Red
07-12-2007, 10:26 PM
Okay Bruce throws out a runner at the plate. Who is the true natural Jay Bruce or Josh Hamilton?
who cares...they will be playing in the same outfield very soon:thumbup:

reds44
07-12-2007, 10:27 PM
I don't get Jerry Sweet's lineup constuction at all.

The .192 batting Hanigan leading off.
The hitless (so far) Janish who wasn't hitting that well in AA 2nd.
Bruce 5th (should be higher).
The .223 and .225 hitters (Gutierrez and Jorgesen) hitting in front of Dickerson who is batitng 9th.

Also, why the heck do you put Dickerson in LF, the least important OF spot?

KronoRed
07-12-2007, 10:28 PM
what a player....what cant he do?

Pitch :devil:

dougdirt
07-12-2007, 10:31 PM
Pitch :devil:

I bet he can throw harder than a few of the Reds current bullpen guys.

TC81190
07-12-2007, 10:35 PM
I don't get Jerry Sweet's lineup constuction at all.

The .192 batting Hanigan leading off.
The hitless (so far) Janish who wasn't hitting that well in AA 2nd.
Bruce 5th (should be higher).
The .223 and .225 hitters (Gutierrez and Jorgesen) hitting in front of Dickerson who is batitng 9th.

Also, why the heck do you put Dickerson in LF, the least important OF spot?

Conversation piece?

AdamDunn
07-12-2007, 10:37 PM
Can someone tell me how throwing a tantrum helps Homer Bailey's case at all? They said he was only going down for a start... throwing a tantrum only makes the management reconsider whether or not they are going to bring him up right away or not.

indy_dave00
07-12-2007, 10:38 PM
If he needed a DH tonight think he should have dh'ed Joey Votto don't care if it would have been vs a lefty.

BearcatShane
07-12-2007, 10:41 PM
What exactly did Homer do? Beat down some Gatorade coolers or what?

TC81190
07-12-2007, 10:44 PM
What exactly did Homer do? Beat down some Gatorade coolers or what?

He gave Jay Bruce a wedgie, promptly following with louds calls of "n00b!"

joshnky
07-12-2007, 10:45 PM
What exactly did Homer do? Beat down some Gatorade coolers or what?

He did nothing. Its only speculation that he was upset and wasn't in the game. It all seems a little absurd to me. He wasn't on his game tonight... lets leave it at that. There is little reason to make up something that isn't there.

OesterPoster
07-12-2007, 10:46 PM
Shackelford in for Livingston now. Bruce should be leading off the bottom of the 8th.

OesterPoster
07-12-2007, 10:47 PM
Billings is down 2-0 in the 2nd. Frazier lined out his first AB. Waring coming up in the 2nd.

OesterPoster
07-12-2007, 10:54 PM
Bruce struck out in the 8th. Brad Salmon in to pitch the top of the 9th.

OesterPoster
07-12-2007, 10:56 PM
Wow. Shelley Duncan is pretty good. 2nd HR of the night and 23rd of the year.

11larkin11
07-12-2007, 10:58 PM
Bruce struck out?

Cut him

BearcatShane
07-12-2007, 11:02 PM
Bruce struck out?

Cut him


Well he can't say he wasn't given a chance. I don't wanna cut him or anything but obviously he needs to be back in AA. He was just overmatched in that at bat. If he ever makes it to the majors he'll be good, but not great. Kinda like Austin Kearns. We'll be ok though...

CTA513
07-12-2007, 11:11 PM
The Sarasota Reds have made 7 errors tonight.

E: DeJesus (9, fielding), Szymanski (9, fielding), Gutierrez, T 2 (3, fielding, missed catch), Valaika (2, fielding), Eymann 2 (9, fielding, throw).

danken12
07-12-2007, 11:20 PM
Well he can't say he wasn't given a chance. I don't wanna cut him or anything but obviously he needs to be back in AA. He was just overmatched in that at bat. If he ever makes it to the majors he'll be good, but not great. Kinda like Austin Kearns. We'll be ok though...

I hope this was sarcasm.....but if not, that's a bit of a strong assessment for one ab. He did homer tonight.:confused:

BearcatShane
07-12-2007, 11:24 PM
I hope this was sarcasm.....but if not, that's a bit of a strong assessment for one ab. He did homer tonight.:confused:


It was sarcarm ;)

Prf15
07-12-2007, 11:58 PM
Hopefully this isnt a Johnny Cueto thing where he gets called up due to emergency and then get sent back down. I don't know if Louisville put anyone on the DL or not.

11larkin11
07-12-2007, 11:59 PM
Wise went on the DL I believe

BearcatShane
07-13-2007, 12:04 AM
Did anyone notice if Homer was throwing alot of offspeed pitches?

KoryMac5
07-13-2007, 12:15 AM
I think some people need to put away the "Psycho Analysis Book for Dummies". The real thing that needs to be observed here is the fact that a young pitcher was upset with himself for making some bad pitches, hence the perceived attitude. The kid still need some polishing but should it be under the guidance of Pole or Power. Who do you trust more, I would place my money on the man who has worked with Greg Maddux more than a converted reliever.

danken12
07-13-2007, 12:18 AM
It was sarcarm ;)

I figured as much, but it was kind of hard to decipher. :mooner:

reds44
07-13-2007, 01:37 AM
Recap

Louisville Lost 9-6 (http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?gid=2007_07_12_swbaaa_louaaa_1&t=g_box&did=milb)


Hanigan: 1-4, R, K
Janish: 2-4, RBI, BB, R
Bruce: 1-4, HR, RBI, R, K
Dickerson: 2-3, 2 R, BB, K
Bailey: 3.1 IP, 6 H, 6 R, 5 BB, 4 K
Santos: 1.2 IP, 0 H, 0 R, 0 BB, 0 K
Livingston: 2.2 IP, 3 H, 1 R, 1 BB, 1 K
Salmon: 1 IP, 2 H, 2 R, 1 ER, 0 BB, 0 K


Chatanooga Lost 8-5 (http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?gid=2007_07_12_hunaax_cngaax_1&t=g_box&did=milb)


Rosales: 0-5, 2 K, R
Anderson: 2-4, 2B, R, BB, 2 K
Cruz: 0-3, RBI, 2 K
Tatum: 2-4, R, K
Vazquez: 5 IP, 4 H, 4 R, 3 ER, 2 BB, 4 K
Pelland: 2 IP, 1 H, 1 R, 2 BB, 5 K
Roenicke: 2 IP, 0 H, 0 R, 2 BB, 2 K


Sarasota Lost 11-3 (http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?gid=2007_07_12_breafa_sarafa_1&t=g_box&did=milb)


Valaika: 1-4, RBI
Perez: 1-3, BB
Symanski: 0-4, 3 K
Ruzic: 1.1 IP, 0 H, 0 R, 0 BB, 1 K


Billings Lost 11-3 (http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?sid=milb&t=g_box&gid=2007_07_12_orerok_bilrok_1)


K. Jones: 1-3, RBI, BB
Fraizer: 0-4, RBI, K
McKennon: 0-4, 2 K
Waring: 1-4, K
Jeffords: 2 IP, 0 H, 0 R, 2 BB, 4 K


GCL Reds Lost 4-1 (http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?gid=2007_07_12_rdsrok_orirok_1&t=g_box&did=milb)


Soto: 0-4, K
Mesoraco: 0-3, BB, K
Rafeal: 5 IP, 4 H, 2 R, 0 BB, 8 K
Scott: 1-4, K


VSL Reds/Rays Won 8-7 in 10 (http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?gid=2007_07_12_vdrrok_vcarok_1&t=g_box&did=milb)


Rodriguez: 2-6, R, K
Hernandez: 3-6, 2 2B, RBI, R
Cedeno: 1-5, HR, 3 RBI, 2 R, BB, 2 K
Contreras: 2-5, 2 HR, 3 RBI, 3 R
Omana: 1-5, 2 K

KronoRed
07-13-2007, 01:55 AM
VSL Devil Rays/Reds keep the organization from a total shut out ;)

reds44
07-13-2007, 01:59 AM
VSL Devil Rays/Reds keep the organization from a total shut out ;)
This is true.

Hey, Dayton didn't lose either. :devil:

AmarilloRed
07-13-2007, 02:54 AM
I created a thread similar to this , but could this start convince Reds management to keep him in AAA?

Topcat
07-13-2007, 03:39 AM
Well he can't say he wasn't given a chance. I don't wanna cut him or anything but obviously he needs to be back in AA. He was just overmatched in that at bat. If he ever makes it to the majors he'll be good, but not great. Kinda like Austin Kearns. We'll be ok though...


If that quote wasn't sarcasm> I truly know what to label you. Ok noticed you proclaimed it was sarcasm *whew*

BearcatShane
07-13-2007, 04:21 AM
If that quote wasn't sarcasm> I truly know what to label you. Ok noticed you proclaimed it was sarcasm *whew*


Lol, what were you gonna label me?

OesterPoster
07-13-2007, 07:26 AM
VSL Reds/Rays Won 8-7 in 10 (http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?gid=2007_07_12_vdrrok_vcarok_1&t=g_box&did=milb)

Contreras: 2-5, 2 HR, 3 RBI, 3 R


Efrain Contreras's bat has been pretty awesome so far in this year's VSL. I would assume we'll be seeing him in the U.S. next year.

Triples
07-13-2007, 07:35 AM
I agree, too much speculation. Keep in mind they sent him back down to AAA just so he could get another start, (eg work on something in particular) We don't know that they may have had him throwing nothing but secondary pitches; curves and change ups. I've seen Homer pitch several times with both good and bad outings and I've never seen him offer any emotion either way. That is one of things that makes him special. I wouldn't start reading too much into this situation, there's a lot we don't know.


He did nothing. Its only speculation that he was upset and wasn't in the game. It all seems a little absurd to me. He wasn't on his game tonight... lets leave it at that. There is little reason to make up something that isn't there.

BRM
07-13-2007, 10:14 AM
A buddy of mine who was at the game last night told me Bailey's fastball was sitting at 88-90. Could he have a tired arm?

11larkin11
07-13-2007, 11:13 AM
Im hoping that he threw mostly just offspeed stuff to work on it, not actually pitching his right game.

danforsman
07-13-2007, 11:36 AM
I was at the game last night. Homer hit 92-93 about two times according to the stadium gun. His fastball was 89-91. At least a couple of his K's were purely luck - surprising a batter on one occasion with a floating 3-2 changeup in his eyes. To me, he looks as if he's thinking too much and aiming the ball. The last thing I'd be telling him right now is to work on a new pitch. He appears to have lost his confidence/motivation, which is not a good thing, but hopefully the Reds have someone on payroll that can wake him up and get him back to cutting loose on the mound.

Jay Bruce is the real deal. His play last night was the epitome of "man among boys". Everything he does not the field is absolutely fluid and effortless. I could not have been more impressed, and the kid had a huge smile on his face throughout the game - clearly soaking it all in. As depressed as I was about Homer, I was exponentially more impressed with Bruce. Bailey will shake off his blues, and Bruce is absolutely going to be a star.

BRM
07-13-2007, 11:50 AM
Jay Bruce is the real deal. His play last night was the epitome of "man among boys". Everything he does not the field is absolutely fluid and effortless. I could not have been more impressed, and the kid had a huge smile on his face throughout the game - clearly soaking it all in. As depressed as I was about Homer, I was exponentially more impressed with Bruce. Bailey will shake off his blues, and Bruce is absolutely going to be a star.

My buddy had the same take after watching Bruce. He called him a "man among boys" as well.

M2
07-13-2007, 11:50 AM
Hmm, spotty control, lack of movement, loss of velocity -- those are the sorts of things that happen when a pitcher gets injured.

For all this talk about Homer's attitude, I'm a lot more worried his elbow's about to pop or that his shoulder's about to fray.

BRM
07-13-2007, 11:51 AM
For all this talk about Homer's attitude, I'm a lot more worried his elbow's about to pop or that his shoulder's about to fray.

Same here. I'm hoping it's just a "tired" arm but I fear the worst.

Cyclone792
07-13-2007, 12:01 PM
Hmm, spotty control, lack of movement, loss of velocity -- those are the sorts of things that happen when a pitcher gets injured.

For all this talk about Homer's attitude, I'm a lot more worried his elbow's about to pop or that his shoulder's about to fray.

That's my feeling too, unfortunately.

Not that there wasn't a big enough question mark hanging over the Reds for how they handled him with his promotion last month, but now that same question mark looms even larger. Nobody knows for certain if we'd be seeing the same signs of injury had the Reds kept Bailey down in Louisville all along, but all they did was heighten the risk by bringing him up and letting Narron get his hands on him, and now he's coincidentally appearing to be injured. Sadly, much of what the Reds have done with this kid over the last five weeks has been nothing less than totally irresponsible, and now it already looks like the team may be paying the ultimate price for some of those mistakes.

flyer85
07-13-2007, 12:11 PM
Josh Roenicke looks like he is on as fast of a track is anyone. It was never about stuff but command.

High A 27.2IP 23H 10ER 1HR 15BB 41K
AA 9IP 6H 2ER 0HR 2BB 12K

westofyou
07-13-2007, 12:17 PM
Is it not Lost Velocity = Elbow and Loss of control = Shoulder.

Generally that is.


Recognizing Pitching Arm Fatigue

Besides the loss of control (command of his pitches), and some loss of velocity, a pitcher will often change his throwing motion to compensate for the loss of arm strength and hand speed, or he will change to protect his arm from further stress and pain. Be alert for:

1. The pitcher rushes his motion trying to generate more power with the body and reduce the stress on his arm. This action actually causes more stress because the arm drags behind the normal throwing rhythm. The pitcher will have a greater loss of hand and pitch speed.
2. The pitcher may shorten his arm deceleration path and follow-through. He will lose his normal arm extension during the release and deceleration phases.
3. The pitcher takes more time between pitches, walks around the mound, etc.
4. The pitcher stretches, shakes, or swings his arm or shoulder more between pitches.
5. The pitcher may not get his hand and elbow up to the normal height in the cocked position. It will appear that he has lowered his elbow during his motion and is accelerating in more of an upward plane.
6. The pitcher grimaces (flinches) during the release and deceleration phases.
7. Between innings, the pitcher may massage his elbow (lower biceps) or top of the shoulder (biceps tendon) area. With arm fatigue, a pitcher’s hand often trembles.
8. Between pitching assignments, the pitcher is reluctant to throw, or throw properly during defensive drill (PFP) work. He is protecting a stiff or sore arm that needs more recovery time.
9. Many pitchers will not admit to their coach that they are overly sore or have a minor injury. They will see the trainer or team physician if they believe the medical person will not tell the coach. There needs to be a good open communication, in confidence, between medical personnel and coaches.
10. At higher levels of baseball, your opponent’s hitters will show you that your pitcher has fatigued and lost some command and velocity. They will take better swings and hit the ball harder more frequently.

http://www.baseballtips.com/armfatigue.html

danforsman
07-13-2007, 12:24 PM
His fall apart last night appeared mental to me, though I'm clearly no expert, and it could be triggered by the fact that he does not feel right physically. He looked disinterested, and the Yankees' baserunners took advantage of him on several occasions (helping induce a balk from HB as well).

Mario-Rijo
07-13-2007, 12:26 PM
Wow WOY, that looks to have a lot of irony to it. Maybe us fans should be writing like crazy to Fay, Rosecrans and the like. This possibility needs addressed and pronto!!

lollipopcurve
07-13-2007, 12:27 PM
Sadly, much of what the Reds have done with this kid over the last five weeks has been nothing less than totally irresponsible, and now it already looks like the team may be paying the ultimate price for some of those mistakes.

I'm not particularly worried about an injury -- though of course it's possible -- because his fastball has looked very good to me. But I agree that the handling of Bailey has been questionable. Ballyhooed promotion (following promises that once he was up they wanted him to stay up), then semi-cryptic demotion after a nice 5-inning, 2-hit start. We'll see how this plays out, but while I can accept that Homer's introduction to the big leagues can serve as a kind of finishing school, I question what looks like a more strenuous attempt to overhaul the kid (windup adjustments from Pole and AAA refresher, at least, so far). My dread comes from the suspicion that the organization is confused about how to handle him and that this will end up screwing up his development.

Grande Donkey
07-13-2007, 12:29 PM
Could this be why Bailey was pulle after 87 pitches in his last Major League start?

alexad
07-13-2007, 01:25 PM
Pete said in an interview I heard, he believes in taking someone out who has been struggling so they can leave with that special taste in their mouth so they will want to come back out and dominate the next time.

I am sure it was discussed with Homer about being sent down for some work so he was not sitting up here doing nothing for 8 days.

I would venture to say his so called struggles is from the adjustments he was working on via/Poole working with him, which is another reason to send him down so he can work on it during game situations. If it was his first time working on it, I would rather it be against AAA than in the BIGS.

I like the 5 innings in his last start and then not pitching a ton of innings last night. We need him to be fresh when he comes back. Why would he have to pitch 9 innings last night when we need him on the BIG League show.

BLEEDS
07-13-2007, 01:29 PM
It would be nice if "The Next Tom Seaver" could keep his WHIP under 2.0 more often...

PEACE

-BLEEDS

dougdirt
07-13-2007, 01:38 PM
It would be nice if "The Next Tom Seaver" could keep his WHIP under 2.0 more often...

PEACE

-BLEEDS

who ever called him the next Tom Seaver?

Superdude
07-13-2007, 01:42 PM
who ever called him the next Tom Seaver?

I think it was Chris Gruler.

BRM
07-13-2007, 01:42 PM
who ever called him the next Tom Seaver?

Johnny Bench said that about Chris Gruler. I don't remember hearing anyone call Bailey the next Seaver though.

camisadelgolf
07-13-2007, 01:59 PM
Bailey's supposed to be the next Roger Clemens or Nolan Ryan. In other words, pretty much no matter what he does, he will be a disappointment.

I'm not concerned about Bailey and injury at this point. I speculate that he was requested to work on his control and off-speed stuff. He was probably throwing his two-seamer a lot more than his four-seamer. Besides, radar guns aren't all that accurate--the wind could have made a difference, I think. In fact, last night, at the Reds game, there was a consistent discrepancy between Fox's radar gun and the stadium's radar gun.

indy_dave00
07-13-2007, 02:36 PM
I think what we are seeing with Homer Bailey is a basic part of the game , learning how to adjust when you experience failure for the first time in your baseball career. Bailey has the stuff and the make up to be a top pitcher in the majors.

Now its a matter of Homer learning how to make adjustments , Steve Phillips on the futures game broadcast said ideally you want a prospect to struggle before he reaches the major league level. His thought was if you'd struggled somewhere in the past you had a referrence point to go back to because you'd over come it before.

If Homer, now realizes he's not going to totally dominate at the major league level , and will listen to coaches and make adjustment he will be fine. At this point his ego has been hurt and now comes the reality check ok I need to make some adjustments.

We will see him make them and he will realize his great potential ( thinking positive ) this is just a road block on the way to success for Homer Bailey.

Mario-Rijo
07-13-2007, 04:03 PM
I think what we are seeing with Homer Bailey is a basic part of the game , learning how to adjust when you experience failure for the first time in your baseball career. Bailey has the stuff and the make up to be a top pitcher in the majors.

Now its a matter of Homer learning how to make adjustments , Steve Phillips on the futures game broadcast said ideally you want a prospect to struggle before he reaches the major league level. His thought was if you'd struggled somewhere in the past you had a referrence point to go back to because you'd over come it before.

If Homer, now realizes he's not going to totally dominate at the major league level , and will listen to coaches and make adjustment he will be fine. At this point his ego has been hurt and now comes the reality check ok I need to make some adjustments.

We will see him make them and he will realize his great potential ( thinking positive ) this is just a road block on the way to success for Homer Bailey.

I heard it say that myself and I don't completely discount that even though it came from Phillips who I regard about as much as I regard Bob Boone's opinion.

Hopefully he does realize his potential and it's only a roadblock that he will pass. However if it is indeed an injury then we will have a major problem on our hands from a host of different perpsectives if it's not caught before it does irreparable harm.