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redsupport
07-14-2007, 12:39 PM
I am in NY, krivsky on the radio, said "deals will be made"
said bailey needs work
bragging about phillips acquisition
the interviewer is quite unsophisticated, asking no questions about the reds bullpen, also praised freel, hopper

Orenda
07-14-2007, 01:03 PM
I am in NY, krivsky on the radio, said "deals will be made"


Im so impatient. Come on already. With Each passing day Im checking on redszone to see who he dealt and acquired. What a tease.

reds44
07-14-2007, 01:48 PM
Im so impatient. Come on already. With Each passing day Im checking on redszone to see who he dealt and acquired. What a tease.
Yep. I have the same feelings.

Edd Roush
07-14-2007, 02:12 PM
Yep. I have the same feelings.

But at the same time, I think the more Reds wait, the more other GMs may get panicked and give us a little more for Dunn/Weathers/Griffey/Hatte/Conine. I know there was the thread earlier which pretty much proved that it's very unlikely teams can build through deadline deals, but words can not describe how much I would love to land another ML ready arm who could be a 2-3, a young SS and a C. I feel that if we could add some younger parts, this team could be pretty solid when Bailey, Cueto, Bruce and Votto are ready.

captainmorgan07
07-14-2007, 02:48 PM
i totally agree the more we wait someone will call and overspend for one of our veterans. Krivsky would be smart to hold his cards till close to the deadline unless someone calls with a can't pass up deal.

Maldez
07-14-2007, 03:32 PM
Im so impatient. Come on already. With Each passing day Im checking on redszone to see who he dealt and acquired. What a tease.

Why is it so critical that a trade be made? Assuming that players of equal value change teams what does it accomplish? The only way it helps Cincy is if Krivsky gets the better of the deal, and we've seen the results of his trades - win some, lose some.

Do you really think losing the likes of Adam Dunn, Ken Griffey Jr., or Scott Hatteberg in 2007 is going to make the Reds a better team in 2008? Those are huge holes to fill. Granted, our pitching is abysmal and could use a lot of help but I don't have a lot of faith in Krivsky's acumen after the deal with Washington last year.

texasdave
07-14-2007, 03:51 PM
Why is it so critical that a trade be made? Assuming that players of equal value change teams what does it accomplish? The only way it helps Cincy is if Krivsky gets the better of the deal, and we've seen the results of his trades - win some, lose some.

It seems a reasonable course of action for a club with a surplus of talent in one area, to deal some of that surplus in an effort to shore up a weak area on the ballclub. If Reds' management truly believes that the likes of Joey Votto and Jay Bruce will become productive major-league hitters then moving a bat or two from the big club is not so outlandish of an idea.


Do you really think losing the likes of Adam Dunn, Ken Griffey Jr., or Scott Hatteberg in 2007 is going to make the Reds a better team in 2008? Those are huge holes to fill. Granted, our pitching is abysmal and could use a lot of help but I don't have a lot of faith in Krivsky's acumen after the deal with Washington last year.

Does anyone think that going to battle next year with the current roster is a wise idea? An all-out fire sale may not be imminent, but moves have to be made. The current construction of this ballclub isn't going to contend next year either. This underscores the importance of a well-stocked farm system. It enables the GM to make moves. Let's hope WK makes some wise ones.

Chi-Town Red
07-14-2007, 04:24 PM
it is still 2 1/2 weeks until the deadline....nothing is going to happen for at least another 10 days

jmac
07-14-2007, 04:39 PM
I dont think a complete overhaul is in order but as TD said...some would help.
Nothing against Hatt but they can put Votto at first tonight as far as I'm concerned.

Maldez
07-14-2007, 07:56 PM
It seems a reasonable course of action for a club with a surplus of talent in one area, ......

That's exactly my point. The Reds don't have a surplus of talent that I can see. Any of the guys that are supposedly on the trade block (Dunn, Griffey, Hatteberg) would be key players on the 2008 team. I don't see anybody in the Reds minors that is going to come close to filling the holes left by these guys.

It's tempting to want to trade Jr. now that he's back in peak form, but at around $9M a year he's really a bargain. We suffered with his salary when he was hurt all those years, lets finally get some benefit for all that money spent over the years.

Chi-Town Red
07-14-2007, 08:06 PM
That's exactly my point. The Reds don't have a surplus of talent that I can see. Any of the guys that are supposedly on the trade block (Dunn, Griffey, Hatteberg) would be key players on the 2008 team. I don't see anybody in the Reds minors that is going to come close to filling the holes left by these guys.

It's tempting to want to trade Jr. now that he's back in peak form, but at around $9M a year he's really a bargain. We suffered with his salary when he was hurt all those years, lets finally get some benefit for all that money spent over the years. Jay Bruce can fill one of the OF holes for sure, although i am against trading both Dunn and Junior...Hattey can go and bring up Votto...he will be here next year anyway

Cicero
07-15-2007, 03:33 PM
There will not be a firesale. The team is a work in progress, not a finished product that you blow up and start over. You definitley move some of the older guys like Hatteberg and Conine, but you keep the younger core in place and bring up some of the youngsters to get some MLB experience going into next year. We are not nearly as far from contention as many on this forum think.

redsfanmia
07-15-2007, 08:32 PM
There will not be a firesale. The team is a work in progress, not a finished product that you blow up and start over. You definitley move some of the older guys like Hatteberg and Conine, but you keep the younger core in place and bring up some of the youngsters to get some MLB experience going into next year. We are not nearly as far from contention as many on this forum think.

What flavor of Kool-Aid is Wayne and BCast serving?

StrikeIndicator
07-15-2007, 08:58 PM
There will not be a firesale. The team is a work in progress, not a finished product that you blow up and start over. You definitley move some of the older guys like Hatteberg and Conine, but you keep the younger core in place and bring up some of the youngsters to get some MLB experience going into next year. We are not nearly as far from contention as many on this forum think.

He may not be that far off the mark with regards to there not being a firesale.
I only disagree over the reason why it might not happen. The final quiz question will be "what is player "x's" FMV where Fair Market Value is what a willing seller (Reds) will take and what a willing buyer will pay with neither the buyer or seller under any obligation to buy or sell.

This late in the month I do not see any teams opening up their checkbooks and going hog wild over any player that this board has mentioned in the last month.

There seems to be little movement of the trade winds this year anywhere in MLB.

If one of the Reds can really :help: a contending team that Needs their skills , there is no reason for them to wait until the last week to make the deal happen. Get him on board a week or two ago and let him start earning his keep.

Now, the other type of trade is one where a Red might be able to help a contender. In that case, if the price is right, then they will make a deal.

Lastly, and least desireable situation, is where a contender knows that the Reds really need to move a player or two that would be useful to them, but are waiting for management to be more desperate to move the player in question. This is by far the worst case scenario for Reds Fans, but I'm starting to feel that this is the position that the organization is really in now.

Right now it is not a pretty sight from this vantage point, I sincerely hope that my gut feeling is wrong this time.

Cicero
07-15-2007, 09:51 PM
What flavor of Kool-Aid is Wayne and BCast serving?

I am FAR from a kool aid drinker. I have criticized the org many times. The fact is we have the makings of a servicable to good rotation, have a very good albeit inconsistent at times lineup and have rebuilt a very bad farm system.

You can't fix an entire organization over night. You can however contend in a year or two with a few key additions to the current personnel. A firesale means you wipe everything out and start all over again. Abandoning the rebuilding plan at this point would be reactionary and counter productive.

Chi-Town Red
07-15-2007, 09:57 PM
I am FAR from a kool aid drinker. I have criticized the org many times. The fact is we have the makings of a servicable to good rotation, have a very good albeit inconsistent at times lineup and have rebuilt a very bad farm system.

You can't fix an entire organization over night. You can however contend in a year or two with a few key additions to the current personnel. A firesale means you wipe everything out and start all over again. Abandoning the rebuilding plan at this point would be reactionary and counter productive.
i am against a fire sale as well..and believe we need to keep the young core ect...but to say we are not far off is laughable...we are the worst team in baseball ( or close to it) on pace to maybe lose 100 games...how can we not be far off? thats why we debate how we can improve just to compete

fadetoblack2880
07-15-2007, 10:16 PM
I have no problems in dealing Hatteberg, Conine, Stanton, or Weathers. Now trading away Dunn just to trade him away would be hard to swallow. Same with Griffey. This team is struggling right now but, they have a decent young core of players and they will only improve. A firesale just for the sake of trading away players(i.e. 2003) will delay any chance for this team to contend within the next couple of seasons.

AmarilloRed
07-16-2007, 02:22 AM
I am in NY, krivsky on the radio, said "deals will be made"
said bailey needs work
bragging about phillips acquisition
the interviewer is quite unsophisticated, asking no questions about the reds bullpen, also praised freel, hopper

Wayne Krivsky has said Bailey needs work. Does this mean he will spend the rest of the season in AAA?:(

Chi-Town Red
07-16-2007, 09:01 AM
Wayne Krivsky has said Bailey needs work. Does this mean he will spend the rest of the season in AAA?:(
i would think until Sept A.R