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Kc61
07-17-2007, 02:47 PM
Focusing on the high minors, which prospects are there who you can envision truly helping the Reds in the next couple of seasons? I'm not talking A ball guys who could possibly help, and I'm also excluding guys who may get a "cup of coffee" or help marginally.

Bailey
Bruce
Votto
Cueto

then, possibly

Dumatrait
Pelland
Roenicke

That's all I can think of.

dougdirt
07-17-2007, 02:53 PM
The big 4 obviously. Although I would be willing to wager that a nice combo of these guys get some time with the Reds that are more than a cup of coffee over the next two years that you didn't mention.

Marcus McBeth
Calvin Medlock
Rick Asadoorian
Richie Gardner
Carlos Fisher

Hitting wise.... its a little more difficult. The Reds seem pretty well off on that side of the ball, so barring injuries odds are we won't see an infielder or outfielder break into the starting line up with guys like Bruce, Hamilton and one of either Griffey or Dunn for at least 2008, Phillips, Edwin, Votto and Gonzo. I just don't see the same type of opening for positional players that I do for pitchers of any kind.

Kc61
07-17-2007, 03:19 PM
Agree on Asadoorian. Probably McBeth will get another shot, hopefully better than the last time.

Not sure Reds will give Medlock the shot, have advanced him slowly.

As for Fisher and Gardner, I hope you are right. Only 5 starting spots though, and they seem to be starters. Unsure how things will pan out with them.

Benihana
07-17-2007, 03:41 PM
Bruce, Bailey, Cueto and Votto should all obviously be serious contributors to the Reds over the next two years. Gardner, Fisher and Dumatrait seem more of spot starters in the Livingston/Ramirez mold than anything. Salmon, Medlock, Roenicke, and McBeth should all get a chance to be bullpen regulars. Guevara and Pelland will most likely get cups of coffee during that time as well.

If I had to rate them based off of impact on the major league team over the next two years, it would looks something like this:

1. Bruce
2. Votto
3. Bailey
4. Cueto
5. McBeth
6. Salmon
7. Dumatrait
8. Gardner
9. Fisher
10. Roenicke
(tie) Medlock

Kc61
07-17-2007, 05:08 PM
I guess my point here is that there are essentially 4 guys in AA and AAA who fans can expect to really help in the next two years. (Personally, I think Roenicke has a very strong chance as well, but not everyone ranks him so high.)

Beyond that, I don't think Reds fans can expect anyone to help materially. Some will undoubtedly get shots, some will surprise perhaps, but which ones can we expect to help? I think it's 4.

New Fever
07-17-2007, 05:12 PM
Is that good or bad that they have four guys who should have a huge impact on the big league club. Those four guys are ranked in the Top 40 in all of baseball on most lists. Only the Tampa Bay Devil Rays orginization can say the same thing.

klw
07-17-2007, 05:41 PM
I hope that they give Guevara a call-up in September this year as I think he really could be a usefull arm out of the pen.

Hoosier Red
07-17-2007, 05:46 PM
You also have to factor in the number of young players on the Reds right now...
Hamilton, Encarnacion, Phillips, Dunn(though he probably won't be around.) Even Ross is younger than 30.
As far as pitchers you have Coffee, Coutlangus, Livingston, Burton, Belisle, and others i'm forgetting. So if Bruce, Votto, Bailey and Cueto all live up to what is expected, you have the basis for a pretty good team that you can fill in holes with veterans.

Kc61
07-17-2007, 05:54 PM
In addition to the big 4, I think the bullpen is the open question. There are a lot of candidates in the high minors. You could see a few making good at Cincy. Other than guys actually on the Reds roster now, I'm sure the following will get attention:

McBeth
Roenicke
Pelland
Guevera
Salmon
Medlock

I think Pelland and Roenicke are the hard throwing type the Reds are now looking for. Certainly none on this list is a sureshot. But hopefully one or two will work out. They all should be ready very soon or within the next year.

Dumatrait, Gardner, and Fisher are names that could be added to this list; not sure they will be starters for the Reds, but could be middle relievers.

Degenerate39
07-17-2007, 07:11 PM
2009 I think the Reds will make a run for the divison. I'm thinking the team will look like this or some what like it.

Catcher- Ross?
1st- Votto
2nd- Phillips
SS- ?
3rd- EE
LF- Dunn
CF- Bruce
RF- Hamilton

Starting Ro
1- Harang
2- Arroyo
3- Bailey
4- Cueto?
5- Livingston

A sample size of the Bullpen:
McBeth
Medlock
Burton?
Coffey
Salmon
Dumatrait?
Closer- Bill Bray

Chi-Town Red
07-17-2007, 08:09 PM
2009 I think the Reds will make a run for the divison. I'm thinking the team will look like this or some what like it.

Catcher- Ross?
1st- Votto
2nd- Phillips
SS- ?
3rd- EE
LF- Dunn
CF- Bruce
RF- Hamilton

Starting Ro
1- Harang
2- Arroyo
3- Bailey
4- Cueto?
5- Livingston

A sample size of the Bullpen:
McBeth
Medlock
Burton?
Coffey
Salmon
Dumatrait?
Closer- Bill Bray maybe Todd Freazier at SS... too soon who knows

corkedbat
07-17-2007, 09:30 PM
I don't really see them as long-term starters, but since not many have mentioned position players (and since you included 2009) I'll add Rosales, Dickerson and Tatum as three who could help add bench depth.

thorn
07-17-2007, 11:44 PM
I don't really see them as long-term starters, but since not many have mentioned position players (and since you included 2009) I'll add Rosales, Dickerson and Tatum as three who could help add bench depth.

Add Hanigan to the list, but I agree with the 3 above.

bucksfan2
07-18-2007, 09:36 AM
I would guess we would see Janish by 08 or 09 as a september call up. I am also going to venture out and say we may see a guy like Valakia, Fraizer, Soto, or Stubbs make a push for a september call up in 09.

Eric_Davis
07-18-2007, 09:52 PM
Whoever we get for Dunn and/or Griffey for sure.