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BearcatShane
07-24-2007, 11:15 PM
I thought I read that they were moving him to AAA until Dewayne Wise came back, which he did yesterday, and then they might move him back to AA? Did they see enough progress in AAA that they are going to keep him there or what?

11larkin11
07-24-2007, 11:18 PM
I have no idea but I really hope so.

BearcatShane
07-24-2007, 11:22 PM
I hope so too, he's holding his own down there. They better not send him to AA just so they can play Wise.

LoganBuck
07-24-2007, 11:51 PM
Send Wise down to AA.

uoduck1017
07-25-2007, 12:37 AM
I don't think the Reds want to upset The Boss.

TOBTTReds
07-25-2007, 01:29 AM
Moving any prospect, let alone one of the top in all of the baseball, for the sake of Dewayne Wise is ridiculous.

AmarilloRed
07-25-2007, 01:43 AM
The Reds organization may want him to play the rest of the year at AA, so as to not rush him. I wouldn't even want Wise in the organization, but Bruce is only at AAA because of all the injured outfielders in Louisville.

BearcatShane
07-25-2007, 04:45 AM
The Reds organization may want him to play the rest of the year at AA, so as to not rush him. I wouldn't even want Wise in the organization, but Bruce is only at AAA because of all the injured outfielders in Louisville.


Whats the point of sending him back to AA so he can hit .320 the rest of the season? I'd keep him in AAA becuase from what I'v seen of him there it's a challenge for him, but not so much of a challenge that he can't hit in AAA, 262 is not too bad. I think he should stay in AAA, he'll probably have AAA mastered in 2 weeks and be hitting over .300 there anyway.

Chi-Town Red
07-25-2007, 07:50 AM
he stays in AAA the rest of the year....continues to mature, and has a shot of making the big club in 2008

uoduck1017
07-25-2007, 02:46 PM
Whats the point of sending him back to AA so he can hit .320 the rest of the season? I'd keep him in AAA becuase from what I'v seen of him there it's a challenge for him, but not so much of a challenge that he can't hit in AAA, 262 is not too bad. I think he should stay in AAA, he'll probably have AAA mastered in 2 weeks and be hitting over .300 there anyway.

Exactly. Bruce looks to me like the type of player who won't slump for an extended period of time. AAA will give him the biggest challenge besides the big leagues, and if he can hit at a good clip for the rest of the year, he will be that much closer to the big club next year.

Muggerd
07-25-2007, 04:47 PM
What good is there to come from your top prospect to be batting .320 in AA anyways. If hes not in AAA hes not going to be challenged.

gonelong
07-25-2007, 05:47 PM
Whats the point of sending him back to AA so he can hit .320 the rest of the season? I'd keep him in AAA becuase from what I'v seen of him there it's a challenge for him, but not so much of a challenge that he can't hit in AAA, 262 is not too bad. I think he should stay in AAA, he'll probably have AAA mastered in 2 weeks and be hitting over .300 there anyway.

I'd think the point of leaving a guy in one spot for awhile is to allow the league he is in to adjust to whatever he is doing, and then see if your guy can adjust to that. If you rush a guy through each step, he doesn't learn to adjust to how he is being worked and that'll lead to disaster at the MLB level. They won't take months to adjust and the guys throwing the pitches can exectute the adjustments much better than your average AA/AAA guy can.

That said, each individual is different and a guy hitting as well as Bruce looks like he could handle the promotion and learn to adjust at the AAA as well as he can the AA level.

GL

AmarilloRed
07-26-2007, 12:01 AM
My point is that I didn't want to rush him. If he can handle AAA pitching at his young age, keep him in AAA.

dougdirt
07-26-2007, 12:14 AM
I don't think you can send down a guy with a .984 OPS and make a good arguement for it.

11larkin11
07-26-2007, 04:22 AM
My point is that I didn't want to rush him. If he can handle AAA pitching at his young age, keep him in AAA.

The thing is, you can't really "rush" a position player. They are just going to face tougher pitching, and Bruce has done extremely well so far, and could be ready for the bigs.

Chi-Town Red
07-26-2007, 06:58 AM
The way the Reds are playing, he will be brought up to the big club ASAP. Something for the fans to get excited about. I do not agree with this, but i bet it is what happens.

BearcatShane
07-26-2007, 07:02 AM
If they trade Dunn or Hamilton is out for a while I bet they will call him up.

SirFelixCat
07-26-2007, 07:32 AM
No way he gets sent down at this point. Just no chance.


What really amazes me is that none of us, not even OBM or doug dirt projected Bruce anywhere near Cincinnati until 2009, at the beginning of the season.

What an amazing talent this kid is and I can't wait to see him in the Bigs come next season :thumbup:

Chi-Town Red
07-26-2007, 07:47 AM
look for a Sept call up just to get his feet wet

redhawkfish
07-26-2007, 09:43 AM
I am going to the Bats game Saturday night and am looking forward to seeing Bruce and Votto play.

KeyMastur
07-26-2007, 11:08 AM
i think it's amazing how you guys think. Bruce was brought up on temp. basis until Wise returned from the DL. but, he's still injured AND there is still some injuries up top preventing any trickle down effect until someone gets healthy. Wise came off the DL but wasn't ready, and it showed in his running (watched the game vs. PawSox when he returned). His hamstring was still bothering him and he went back on the DL 2 days later. But Bruce is in AAA....for now....and with the roster shortage at AAA he probably will stay here. Will he get the call ?? Probably not this year....sorry boys.

Doc. Scott
07-26-2007, 11:15 AM
Bruce launched a three-run homer in Scott Williamson's Yankees system debut last night. That's four of 'em in 13 AAA games.

He did whiff twice against Joba Chamberlain, though.

KeyMastur
07-26-2007, 11:16 AM
Bruce launched a three-run homer in Scott Williamson's Yankees system debut last night. That's four of 'em in 13 AAA games.

He did whiff twice against Joba Chamberlain, though.
Yes it was off a 3-1 fastball to the opposite field.

He's striking out mainly due to the fact that he's swinging at bad pitches.

BRM
07-26-2007, 05:16 PM
Unless I'm looking at the numbers wrong, his K rate isn't any higher in Louisville than it was in Chattanooga or Sarasota.

dougdirt
07-26-2007, 05:42 PM
Its not. Its about the same.

BRM
07-26-2007, 05:48 PM
Its not. Its about the same.

Thanks for confirming Doug. I can't see how they can send him down at this point when he's sporting an OPS of .984. Of course he's only got 49 plate appearances so his numbers can change drastically.

oneupper
07-26-2007, 06:36 PM
I've said it before. If we had a reserve clause, Jay Bruce would be with the REDS.

dougdirt
07-26-2007, 06:40 PM
Tim Evearitt of The Chattanoogan wrote an article on this subject today



Will Jay Bruce Return To The Chattanooga Lookouts?
by Tim Evearitt
posted July 26, 2007

Many Lookouts fans were looking forward to watching Jay Bruce spend the second half of the season playing for the Chattanooga Lookouts.

However, after just 16 games as a member of Chattanooga's team, Bruce was moved to Triple-A Louisville - ostensibly to take the place of Dewayne Wise, who went to the disabled list. Lookouts manager Jayhawk Owens said he expected to see the 20-year phenom back after about a week. Owens qualified his comments noting that Bruce could earn a stay.

It appears more and more likely that we have seen the last of Mr. Bruce. Wednesday he hit his fourth home run for the Bats and is hitting a respectable .267. Wise remains on the DL.

Bruce has had 45 at bats in 13 games for Louisville. Along with the four homers, he has a double, two triples, and driven in nine runs.

While playing here, he had 22 hits in 66 plate appearances that included seven doubles, a triple, four homers, and 15 RBI.

If the young outfielder doesn't return, we are saddened but our loss is Louisville's gain since Bruce, whenever he arrives, is expected to be an impact player in the Major Leagues.

This is what Baseball America says of the one they rate second among the top-ten Cincinnati Reds prospects:

"Bruce quickly has established himself as the best hitting prospect in the system and one of the best in the minors. He has quick hands and a smooth swing path that allow him to keep the bat in the strike zone for quite a while. Scouts were impressed that he could turn on 95-mph fastballs with his plus bat speed, and he also knows how to go the other way if pitchers try to work the outside corner.

He projects to be an above-average hitter with above-average power. His two-strike approach is also impressive.

In the outfield, Bruce gets good jumps to go with his slightly above-average speed. He can handle center field, though most scouts expect he'll end up as a strong-armed right fielder once he fills out. He's also a gamer who enjoys coming to the ballpark every day."

http://www.chattanoogan.com/articles/article_110635.asp

Blitz Dorsey
07-26-2007, 07:58 PM
That might have been a preemptive move on the Reds’ part to say that Bruce was coming up just for a few weeks to replace Wise. The perfect built in excuse if he struggled and they needed to send him back (“He wasn’t ready anyway; we only called him up out of necessity.” Yadda yadda.) Then if he plays well – which he is – you leave him up there. No risk of hurting his confidence.

And no, there’s no doubt you leave him up at AAA for the rest of the year. What a year for Bruce. He was very good at single-A Dayton last year, but has played even better this year against much better competition. From now on, if we ever take a high school player in the first round of the draft, they have to be from Texas. Haha. Nah, I liked the Mesoraco pick very much this year, but you can’t beat getting Bailey and Bruce in back to back years. That is very un-Reds like for the draft. Chris Gruler and Ty Howington could not be reached for comment.

dougdirt
07-27-2007, 12:21 AM
Both of those guys had injuries. They didnt just not perform. Big difference in getting hurt and just sucking.

AmarilloRed
07-27-2007, 01:22 AM
The thing is, you can't really "rush" a position player. They are just going to face tougher pitching, and Bruce has done extremely well so far, and could be ready for the bigs.

Do you think either Kearns or Dunn might have been rushed; both of them came to the majors very quickly. I will always wonder if their fast ascent to the majors affected their future in the majors.

The Cowboy
07-27-2007, 01:53 AM
You either have it or you dont, Josh Hamilton proves that.. A stud like The Boss, can hit at any level, a pitcher is different you just cant throw them to the sharks they have to have their progressions.. Bruce and Votto need to be on the roster esp if Dunn or Griff gets traded..

AmarilloRed
07-27-2007, 02:01 AM
You have your points. I am sure Bruce is a player who can succeed at any level he plays at. The same can be said of any true five-tool player.However, that may not be true of all position players. I am sure there is a chance Kearns and Dunn' development might have been affected by their quick movement through the minors. I just am a cautious sort by nature(most of the time), and I want to make sure Bruce isn't rushed

Blitz Dorsey
07-27-2007, 10:54 AM
Both of those guys had injuries. They didnt just not perform. Big difference in getting hurt and just sucking.

Yeah I know they were both hurt. Regarding the question of whether either of them was ever going to be good IMO... Howington, maybe. Gruler was just a god-awful pick. No. 3 of the draft with those credentials? Terrible. And really fit perfectly in line with the rest of our drafts under Bowden.

Basically, the Reds drafted Gruler knowing they could sign him. Nevermind he wasn't qualified. And even though they signed him for a little bit under market value for the No. 3 pick, it was WAY overvalue for Chris Gruler.

And I still think they mishandled Howington. Or didn't do enough homework before they drafted him. A kid doesn't just completely break down that fast without a previous injury, or with some mishandling by the organization.

dfs
07-27-2007, 11:53 AM
Do you think either Kearns or Dunn might have been rushed; both of them came to the majors very quickly. I will always wonder if their fast ascent to the majors affected their future in the majors.
I don't think so.
Kearns was affected by injuries. They actually started in AA.

I don't see how Adam Dunn would have had a BETTER major league career if he had stayed in the minors. He's clearly not going to change and he was a pretty valuable 21 year old.

Now...you can argue that the reds would have been better served keeping this guys in the minors in order to extract more value from the time the reds had salary control over them, but that's a different question. Bringing them up was still the right thing to do.

LoganBuck
07-27-2007, 03:18 PM
Yeah I know they were both hurt. Regarding the question of whether either of them was ever going to be good IMO... Howington, maybe. Gruler was just a god-awful pick. No. 3 of the draft with those credentials? Terrible. And really fit perfectly in line with the rest of our drafts under Bowden.

Basically, the Reds drafted Gruler knowing they could sign him. Nevermind he wasn't qualified. And even though they signed him for a little bit under market value for the No. 3 pick, it was WAY overvalue for Chris Gruler.

And I still think they mishandled Howington. Or didn't do enough homework before they drafted him. A kid doesn't just completely break down that fast without a previous injury, or with some mishandling by the organization.

Gruler was a stud before he got hurt. They got burned by a high school arm, they weren't the first and won't be the last, but Gruler had something special in that arm before he got hurt.