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AmarilloRed
07-25-2007, 11:44 PM
I have been thinking about this awhile. One of these two will be traded and who should it be. Conine is a player with postseason experience who can help a contender this year. Hatteberg is a first baseman who can consistantly hit for 300, but with little power. I think right now I would choose Hatteberg as the back up first baseman, and see what a contender would give us for Conine. Conine will probably retire at the end of the year, but he might be able to help a contender win the World Series this year. Hatteberg might be a serviceable reserve for a couple of years.

jmac
07-25-2007, 11:51 PM
I have been thinking about this awhile. One of these two will be traded and who should it be. Conine is a player with postseason experience who can help a contender this year. Hatteberg is a first baseman who can consistantly hit for 300, but with little power. I think right now I would choose Hatteberg as the back up first baseman, and see what a contender would give us for Conine. Conine will probably retire at the end of the year, but he might be able to help a contender win the World Series this year. Hatteberg might be a serviceable reserve for a couple of years.

I would like Votto to get the starts rest of season and Yes, I would like Hatt coming off the bench.
He would be a good LH stick plus he could catch in a "must" situation.

AmarilloRed
07-26-2007, 12:06 AM
I was preceding on the assumption Votto would be the starter the rest of the year. I am just thinking which should we trade, and which one do we keep as a back-up.

Fil3232
07-26-2007, 12:08 AM
Assuming Votto comes up, I would think you would want the RH Conine to be the backup to occasionally platoon with him. Also, I think Hatteberg can net the Reds better talent in return for a trade. I would trade both for talent, but if you had to keep one, I would keep Conine.

uoduck1017
07-26-2007, 12:12 AM
Assuming Votto comes up, I would think you would want the RH Conine to be the backup to occasionally platoon with him. Also, I think Hatteberg can net the Reds better talent in return for a trade. I would trade both for talent, but if you had to keep one, I would keep Conine.

I agree with Fil. Votto would platoon with Conine for the rest of the year to get some Major League experience. Conine will probably retire at the end of the season and Votto would be our starting 1st baseman next year.

mroby85
07-26-2007, 12:17 AM
i like hatteberg better, but i think other teams will as well, so i'd keep conine.

AmarilloRed
07-26-2007, 12:17 AM
You just said Conine will retire at the end of the year. In that case, you would need to sign someone to back-up Votto. Hatteberg can still play for 2-3 years, so it would seem logical to keep him as the reserve.

uoduck1017
07-26-2007, 12:39 AM
You just said Conine will retire at the end of the year. In that case, you would need to sign someone to back-up Votto. Hatteberg can still play for 2-3 years, so it would seem logical to keep him as the reserve.

The only problem there is Hatteberg and Votto are both LH hitters. It would be nice to have Votto's backup/platooner to bat righthanded.

AtomicDumpling
07-26-2007, 12:53 AM
Interesting thread.

I agree with all of you guys.

Hatteberg is a very solid hitter against RH pitching, but he is terrible vs LH pitching. So he is not a good option to play every day. Since he bats lefty like Votto does then they really don't fit together on the same team.

Hatteberg's value is higher right now than it ever has been or ever will be again. I will be shocked if he is still a Red in two weeks.

Conine will platoon with Votto in August and September. If he doesn't retire then he would be useful to have on the team next year. But I would rather use Dunn and Griffey as the backup 1B when Votto needs a day off. I know they are left handed too, but I don't think the Reds are planning to use Votto as a platoon player in the future. He will be an everyday player as long as he shows he can handle the job.

So the answer to the original question is that I would not keep Hatteberg nor Conine, especially if someone is willing to trade us a useful prospect or pitcher for either one.

Krawhitham
07-26-2007, 12:56 AM
I have been thinking about this awhile. One of these two will be traded and who should it be. Conine is a player with postseason experience who can help a contender this year. Hatteberg is a first baseman who can consistantly hit for 300, but with little power. I think right now I would choose Hatteberg as the back up first baseman, and see what a contender would give us for Conine. Conine will probably retire at the end of the year, but he might be able to help a contender win the World Series this year. Hatteberg might be a serviceable reserve for a couple of years.

Hatteberg is a .300 hitter he will not want to be a backup 1st baseman. But he has a club option for 2008 at 2M (he should reach 500PA this season) That might make him attractive to other clubs (not a Rent-a-Player and cheap for 2008)

Conine is a player that does not mind being a backup, talk to him and see if want to play next year, if so keep him if not trade him

Worst case if you trade both is you have to find a backup 1st baseman, Aaron Boone (would make 11larkin11 happy) will be available or a ton of other guys

Krawhitham
07-26-2007, 12:15 PM
Jeff Conine is leaning to retiring after this season.
"Physically, I feel great," Conine said. "There's no issues I'm battling right now. It's just mentally and with the family, it's getting tougher every year. I'm missing a lot of stuff," he said. "You miss things that you're never going to get back." Conine could be moved near the trade deadline to a team looking for a cheap pinch-hitter.

AmarilloRed
07-26-2007, 12:33 PM
It seems like Conine will definitely retire. He definitely would have some value to a contender this year with his playoff experience. If you consider trading Hatteberg as well you might have trouble finding a back up who can hit .300. We would probably keep Hatteberg this year, and then we might consider signing a righthanded reserve first baseman.

Vada Pinson Fan
07-26-2007, 10:12 PM
Yes- Conine to retire E.O.Y.

Depending on what Hatteberg potentially brings in a trade but I would hate to deal him.
Votto is the future and the future is now! A right-handed hitting backup 1st baseman shouldn't be to hard to acquire for the 2008 season.

mound_patrol
07-26-2007, 10:16 PM
i say get rid of both and let Keppinger be the back up.

Chi-Town Red
07-26-2007, 10:30 PM
I agree, it really does not matter who we keep at this point as long as Votto gets most of the playing time

ED44
07-26-2007, 10:48 PM
Hatteburg and Conine are both veteran bats that a lot of contending teams would like having come off their bench (and potentially starting in some instances). I see no reason the Reds hold onto either (and I am a big Hatteburg fan). Neither fit into the teams long term plans, and are holding back Votto. I think you have to get what you can out of both and turn 1B over to Joey. I think Keppinger could play some 1st on days that Votto needed off. If not Keppinger, let him play 3B and play EdE at 1st.

Chris Sabowned
07-26-2007, 10:54 PM
Maybe we should offer them both as a package. We can promote the fact that they have a combined 13 homers and 60 rbis. We really don't need either of them since we should be brining Votto up full time.

Muggerd
07-27-2007, 12:22 AM
I think hatteberg has starting days in him so id hate for him to be on this team being stuck behind a young guy.