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Ltlabner
07-31-2007, 01:31 PM
Lots of "can't miss" prospects have come up through the orginizations over the years. We spend a lot of time sifting through the numbers and aruging, however, over the guys who may or may not ever make it to the show and contribute on some level.

Who are some of the guys over the years that came up and really suprised you when they were sucessfull? Guys who on paper should have been waiting tables but somehow the right combination of skills, orgization, timing and luck happened and the guy got a shot and made it into something.

And why were you suprised?

camisadelgolf
07-31-2007, 01:37 PM
Mike Piazza was drafted in the 62nd round (and the only reason he was drafted was as a favor for Tommy LaSorda).

PuffyPig
07-31-2007, 01:38 PM
Freel
Harang
Arroyo

red-in-la
07-31-2007, 01:50 PM
Bernie Carbo...

flyer85
07-31-2007, 01:52 PM
John Franco

camisadelgolf
07-31-2007, 01:53 PM
Trevor Hoffman

wally post
07-31-2007, 01:53 PM
wasn't Bernie Carbo a number one draft pick?

BuckWoody
07-31-2007, 01:56 PM
wasn't Bernie Carbo a number one draft pick?
Yes, in 1965.

Chris Sabo.

camisadelgolf
07-31-2007, 01:56 PM
Jeff Conine was a 58th round draft pick and has hit over 200 homeruns while being a two-time All-Star.

TOBTTReds
07-31-2007, 01:58 PM
Any guy that changes from pitcher to hitter or vice versa...Hoffman I believe, Cout, Rick Ankiel could do it soon.

red-in-la
07-31-2007, 02:05 PM
wasn't Bernie Carbo a number one draft pick?

Selected BEFORE one Mr. Johnny Bench

PuffyPig
07-31-2007, 02:14 PM
Selected BEFORE one Mr. Johnny Bench

Bernie Carbo was a #1 pick who performed well in the minors, and had a great first season. From then on he was essentially a fourth OF type and PH.

I classify him more of a first round bust that someone who over achived surprisingly and went on to greatness.

Rojo
07-31-2007, 02:15 PM
Sabo is my answer too. I marked him an "organizational" player.

NJReds
07-31-2007, 02:52 PM
Kevin Mitchell

bucksfan2
07-31-2007, 03:04 PM
How about Ozwalt, wasn't he a later round pick?

RedsManRick
07-31-2007, 03:11 PM
Paul O'Neil? Compared to his OF mates Eric Davis and Kal Daniels, O'Neil easily had the best ratio of career value to hype. He was a 4th round guy, so it's not like he was completely under the radar. But he certainly was by comparison.

NJReds
07-31-2007, 03:21 PM
Tom Browning

Roy Tucker
07-31-2007, 03:23 PM
Pete Schourek - I thought he had very pedestrian stuff.

Rob Dibble - I think it was the name Dibble.

flyer85
07-31-2007, 03:24 PM
I think the intent of the question mainly deals with guys whose minor league track record didn't give a hint of the major league success that was to come.

Ltlabner
07-31-2007, 03:26 PM
I think the intent of the question mainly deals with guys whose minor league track record didn't give a hint of the major league success that was to come.

:thumbup:

StillFunkyB
07-31-2007, 04:06 PM
I didn't grow up as a Reds fan, but a Cleveland Indians fan.

Kenny Lofton was a basketball player, and has turned in a pretty darn good career.

Since moving to Cincinnati, and following the Reds, there hasn't really been a minor leaguer that has come up and surprised.

mth123
07-31-2007, 09:01 PM
Ray Knight

vaticanplum
07-31-2007, 09:42 PM
Mark Buehrle. I'm still shocked at what his career has turned out to be.

Of course, I am still waiting for his teammate Javier Vazquez to turn into the pitching god I know he can be.

George Anderson
08-01-2007, 01:15 AM
Chris Sabo for sure but also Ron Oester. I think Oester and Sabo both got the very most out of their limited abilities.

RedsBaron
08-01-2007, 06:56 AM
If a player came up to the majors, and, after a rookie season in which he hit .260 with little power (.317 SLG), proceeded to hit .205 his sophomore season with a .246 OBP and .251 SLG, and then followed that up with a junior season in which he hit .209 with a .272 OBP and .270 SLG, how many of you would expect that player to later become the best hitting player at his position? I sure didn't----but that is exactly what Dave Concepcion did.
Davey was always a good fielder, but I never expected him to ever be more than another of the good field, no hit shortstops who were common to major league baseball in the 1960s and 1970s. Suddenly, and seemingly out of nowhere, in 1973 Concepcion became a solid hitter with pop and the best all around shortstop in baseball.

westofyou
08-01-2007, 11:17 AM
Sabo was mentioned in "Dollar Sign on the Muscle"

He was a player, just took him longer.

Carbo partied his talent away.

Out of nowhere?

Harry Craft
Ron LeFlore
Gernonimo Berroa
Matt Stairs
Pete Rose

BuckeyeRedleg
08-01-2007, 11:37 AM
Don Mattingly

NJReds
08-01-2007, 11:40 AM
Don Mattingly

I remember when Mattingly was trying to break in with the big club. I think they were trying him in LF if memory serves correct. First base was being blocked by Steve "Bye-Bye" Balboni, who was traded to Kansas City.

Oddly enough. Balboni has the World Series ring that Mattingly was never able to obtain.