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mbgrayson
08-01-2007, 10:10 AM
A refresher from MLB Traderumors (http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/):

"Waiver Trade Rules (http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2007/08/waiver-trade-ru.html)
The non-waiver trade deadline has passed, but that doesn't mean trading is done. I found a helpful oldSteve Phillips article (http://insider.espn.go.com/mlb/columns/story?columnist=phillips_steve&id=2130379) explaining the whole August waiver trade thing. If you don't feel like checking that out, here's a summary:
Any player can be put on waivers by his team, and the player does not need to be informed.
Other teams have the chance to make a claim on the player during a 47 hour window.
If the player is claimed, the team that placed him on waivers has the option of pulling him back. If the team pulls him back they can't trade him for 30 days.

If his team decides not to pull him back:
Option 1: His team can work out a trade with the team that claimed him. Any player involved in the trade who is on a 40 man roster must go through waivers first.
Option 2: His team can just dump him and his salary on the team that claimed him, getting no player in return.
Option 3: No one claims him, and his team is free to trade him to any team.
If more than one team places a claim on a player, the winning claim is awarded based on worst record or the league the claiming team is in."


The other factor is that anyone not on a team's MLB roster by September 1 can't be on their playoff roster.

So the big issue is a salary/value analysis for playoff contenders. Nobody will make waiver claims on high salary players that aren't under contract for the next year unless they are in contention. Those in contention look to fill holes and get a big bat or good pitcher to fix a perceived weakness. A player under contract for 08 is often more valuable for obvious reasons....

The big problem comes in the fact that any players traded to the waiving team must also clear waivers if they are on the 40 man roster. This eliminates many top tiier prospects, as well as MLB players that have good value. Younger prospects not yet required to be on the 40 man become prime targets...

MississippiRed
08-01-2007, 11:17 AM
Thanks for the info, MB. That is a nice summary. I doubt the Reds have anyone they could get waivers on for a trade, though. Maybe Conine.

camisadelgolf
08-01-2007, 11:19 AM
Thank you very much. That's a great summary.

cumberlandreds
08-01-2007, 11:22 AM
Thanks for the summary. I have asked this before and I will again. Why do you need this Waiver trade period? Why not just extend the regular trading deadline till August 31st? To me this like red tape you have to go through in the government to get something somewhat simple done.

nate
08-01-2007, 11:22 AM
Agreed...good refresher!

Redsland
08-01-2007, 12:02 PM
Why do you need this Waiver trade period? Why not just extend the regular trading deadline till August 31st?
http://www.redszone.com/forums/showthread.php?t=60837

Mario-Rijo
08-01-2007, 06:48 PM
Good post and the exact reason I think Jr is dealt sometime this month for younger prospects.

Aronchis
08-01-2007, 07:54 PM
I don't know, I see alot of wavier possiblities with this team if Cast loses his temper. Augest firesale.

Mario-Rijo
08-01-2007, 08:29 PM
Here's the possibilities from around the league.



Conine, among others, could be involved in waiver deals
By Jerry Crasnick
ESPN.com
(Archive)
Updated: August 1, 2007

Conine Olympics (http://http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/columns/story?columnist=crasnick_jerry&id=2956988&lpos=spotlight&lid=tab3pos2)

Major League Baseball's non-waiver trade deadline has passed, but front office executives continue to plug away in the quest for upgrades. It's August, that time of year otherwise known as the "Jeff Conine Olympics." :D


Conine, a 17-year veteran with a quick stroke and terminally dour expression, is a professional hitter and waiver-clearer. In 2003, Florida acquired him on Aug. 31, and he helped the Marlins win a World Series. Last year the Phillies traded for him on Aug. 28, and 10 days later he was batting fifth in the order behind Ryan Howard.

If history is a guide, this is the type of player you'll see moving in August: Stable veterans. Bench guys. Underachievers. Emergency injury fill-ins. With baseball in such a blissful economic state, fewer clubs than usual are desperate to make trades to dump stars with big salaries.

"You aren't likely to see any talented players clear waivers," said a National League front office man. "The only players that will clear [waivers] are poorly performing players who the industry doesn't value."

It's more challenging to make a headline-grabbing trade today than yesterday, because players must pass through waivers first. If a player clears waivers, his current team is free to trade him to any of the other 29 clubs.

If the player is claimed, Team A can either pull him back or step aside and lose him to Team B, which assumes the player's entire salary. (This bad-news scenario happened to Padres GM Kevin Towers in 1998, when he claimed Randy Myers to block him from Atlanta and got stuck with a $13 million contract). The teams also have a 48-hour window in which to make a deal.

August can be a busy time for trades. Last season, Livan Hernandez, Javy Lopez, Eric Hinske, Jamie Moyer, Guillermo Mota, Shawn Green, Scott Schoeneweis, Russell Branyan, Neifi Perez, Phil Nevin and David Wells were among the players who changed addresses in August.

So which players will be making news in August? This week's installment of "Starting 9" is devoted to names you'll be hearing in trade speculation over the coming weeks. Some are a lot more realistic than others.



# 9Jeff Conine, Reds
You didn't expect us to exclude our hero, did you?

Conine has a .919 on base-slugging percentage at hitter-friendly Great American Ball Park and a .621 OPS on the road. He just turned 41 years old, so any negative is a potential red flag.

But Conine can play some first base and outfield, give you a competent bat off the bench, and knows his way around a pennant race. Besides, August just wouldn't be August if he stayed put.

Chance of moving: 80 percent

Other possibilities:
Scott Hatteberg

KronoRed
08-01-2007, 09:35 PM
Good post and the exact reason I think Jr is dealt sometime this month for younger prospects.

With only one year left on his deal I think JR gets claimed this time around, Dunn definitely, Hat probably, Conine/Stanton, not likely

fearofpopvol1
08-01-2007, 09:48 PM
Let's put Stanton on waivers and hope any team will take him.

Matt700wlw
08-01-2007, 09:52 PM
Let's put Stanton on waivers and hope any team will take him.

The fact that he is a lefty, and has pitched in the postseason may work to the Reds advantage..