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Patrick Bateman
08-01-2007, 12:49 PM
From RotoWorld:



The Indians are expected to designate Fernando Cabrera for assignment to make room for Aaron Fultz, who is due to come off the DL.

The club has tried to harness Cabrera's potential, but it just hasn't happened. A trade is likely. His is the type of arm every non-contender should be looking to acquire.

Here's another guy that would be an interseting bullpen arm for the Reds. He's has his fair share of problems the last few seasons, but he's a high K pitcher that could turn into a high leverage reliever. Assuming the cost of picking him up isn't too high, this is a move worth considerding IMO.

Here's some stats on Cabrera:


Season Team W L ERA G GS CG ShO SV BS IP TBF H R ER HR BB IBB HBP WP BK SO

2005 Indians 2 1 1.47 15 0 0 0 0 0 30.2 124 24 7 5 1 11 1 0 1 1 29
2006 Indians 3 3 5.19 51 0 0 0 0 4 60.2 256 53 36 35 12 32 2 1 5 0 71
2007 Indians 1 2 5.61 24 0 0 0 0 0 33.2 157 38 22 21 7 22 3 0 1 0 39



Season Team K/9 BB/9 K/BB HR/9 AVG WHIP BABIP LOB% FIP GB/FB HR/FB

2005 Indians 8.51 3.23 2.64 0.29 .217 1.14 .286 83.3 % 2.81 0.97 0.0%
2006 Indians 10.53 4.75 2.22 1.78 .237 1.40 .291 72.3 % 5.06 0.77 18.5 %
2007 Indians 10.43 5.88 1.77 1.87 .286 1.78 .357 75.7 % 5.55 0.79 16.7 %

I would like to note that Cabrera has been very unlucky the last few seasons. The HR/FB rates are unsustainably high, even if he pitches in the GABP. He's really been more effective then his ERA would lead you to believe. Considering how good his arm is, I think this is a risk that you need to take. There is a lot of potential here to perhaps get a back-end reliever.

Chip R
08-01-2007, 12:52 PM
Too young. :lol:

edabbs44
08-01-2007, 12:58 PM
Too young. :lol:

Sad, but true. If this guy was 37 and a veteran of 5 or more teams, WK would be a madman right now.

PuffyPig
08-01-2007, 12:58 PM
Too young. :lol:

:deadhorse

PuffyPig
08-01-2007, 01:00 PM
Sad, but true. If this guy was 37 and a veteran of 5 or more teams, WK would be a madman right now.

:deadhorse

flyer85
08-01-2007, 01:01 PM
I don't see him passing through waivers, he certainly has the stuff. Hopefully the Reds can get a claim in on him and work out a deal.

edabbs44
08-01-2007, 01:02 PM
:deadhorse

Same for the Reds losing ways and horrendous bullpen. Forward your post to Wayne, maybe that will stop him from "beating a dead horse" and signing more old relievers.

PuffyPig
08-01-2007, 01:13 PM
I don't see him passing through waivers, he certainly has the stuff. Hopefully the Reds can get a claim in on him and work out a deal.

Well, they have to get rid of him within 10 days. So, if someone claims him, Cleveland will have to trade him to them or release him.

PuffyPig
08-01-2007, 01:15 PM
Same for the Reds losing ways and horrendous bullpen. Forward your post to Wayne, maybe that will stop him from "beating a dead horse" and signing more old relievers.

:deadhorse

Ravenlord
08-01-2007, 01:25 PM
i would love to bring him over at the expense of Todd Coffey or Mike Stanton.

flyer85
08-01-2007, 01:26 PM
Well, they have to get rid of him within 10 days. So, if someone claims him, Cleveland will have to trade him to them or release him.One would think the DRays are the team that will end up with him.

edabbs44
08-01-2007, 01:32 PM
:deadhorse

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:deadhorse

nate
08-01-2007, 01:41 PM
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nate
08-01-2007, 01:43 PM
Sorry, back on topic...sure, why not take a flyer on the guy?

flyer85
08-01-2007, 01:44 PM
why not take a flyer on the guy?no reason not to but he has to pass through waivers before he can be traded. Someone in front of the Reds will likely claim him on waivers, thus making it moot.

nate
08-01-2007, 01:47 PM
no reason not to but he has to pass through waivers before he can be traded. Someone in front of the Reds will likely claim him on waivers, thus making it moot.

If we put our minds to it, we can be first on the waiver claim!

PuffyPig
08-01-2007, 03:45 PM
If we put our minds to it, we can be first on the waiver claim!

Waiver claims can't be traded.

That's how we ended up with Livingston.

11larkin11
08-01-2007, 03:49 PM
Waiver claims can't be traded.

That's how we ended up with Livingston.

I think he meant if we keep losing we can have the first waiver claim spot.

fearofpopvol1
08-01-2007, 03:53 PM
I think he meant if we keep losing we can have the first waiver claim spot.

Yeah, exactly. I would think the Reds would be pretty high up on the list.

flyer85
08-01-2007, 04:58 PM
Yeah, exactly. I would think the Reds would be pretty high up on the list.but not first. I can't imagine the D-Rays passing on him.

camisadelgolf
08-01-2007, 05:52 PM
Wouldn't the Reds be 16th in line to pick up Cabrera on waivers?

PuffyPig
08-01-2007, 06:02 PM
Wouldn't the Reds be 16th in line to pick up Cabrera on waivers?


We would be behind the AL and at least Pittsburgh right now.

jojo
08-01-2007, 07:07 PM
Do you think the Reds would spring for the $20,000 waiver fee?

Bill
08-01-2007, 07:23 PM
Cleveland DFA'd Cabrera so they have 10 days to work out a trade before they would have to release him outright I believe. They can trade with any team.

I've followed Cabrera for a long time, great talent. Thought he was putting it together early this season but no. Definitely worth a go.

flyer85
08-01-2007, 10:05 PM
They can trade with any team.
only after he has cleared waivers. Non-waiver trade deadline ended at 4pm yesterday.

LoganBuck
08-01-2007, 11:49 PM
only after he has cleared waivers. Non-waiver trade deadline ended at 4pm yesterday.

Isn't there a difference in the case of a DFA, because those are irrevocable waivers? If he is claimed and a trade cannot be worked out, what recourse does the original team have?

Cedric
08-01-2007, 11:50 PM
Isn't there a difference in the case of a DFA, because those are irrevocable waivers? If he is claimed and a trade cannot be worked out, what recourse does the original team have?

Nope. Then there basically is no deadline. All a team would do is dfa a player before finishing a trade.

LoganBuck
08-01-2007, 11:56 PM
Nope. Then there basically is no deadline. All a team would do is dfa a player before finishing a trade.

I understand that but it seems to me that there is a fundamental difference in the rule for a DFA, because the original team can't pull him back. I am just not sure what it is.

Tom Servo
08-09-2007, 06:06 PM
The Tribe released Cabrera today.

OnBaseMachine
08-09-2007, 06:06 PM
Sign him, Wayne.

mth123
08-09-2007, 07:42 PM
Sign him, Wayne.

Absolutely.

flyer85
08-09-2007, 07:45 PM
Sign him, Wayne.should be an absolute no-brainer. Maybe WK would rather keep Santos?

cincrazy
08-10-2007, 01:56 AM
It should also be a no-brainer that the likes of Stanton, Guardado, and Santos (for the sake of space, I won't name the other 2,425 names) shouldn't be in the pen right now. Wayne doesn't operate according to common sense, unfortunately.

RedLegSuperStar
08-10-2007, 04:37 PM
MLBTradeRumors.com -


Devil Rays Interested In Fernando Cabrera

According to Marc Lancaster of the Tampa Tribune, the Devil Rays are interested in recently released 25 year-old reliever Fernando Cabrera. In the past, it was revealed that the Orioles inquired on him.

Since he was released, Cabrera is eligible to sign with any team. According to R.J. Anderson of Drays Bay:

"Cabrera throws a 92-95 fastball with a good hard splitter and a slider that produces a load of swings and misses."

BRM
08-10-2007, 04:41 PM
It would be nice to read a headline that claims the Reds are interested.

RedLegSuperStar
08-10-2007, 04:43 PM
Cabrera or hmmm.. Santos, Gosling, Stanton, Majewski

I'd deal all 4 of them for Cabrera.. sad thing is.. Cabrera is a Free Agent and all Wayne has to do is ink him to a deal and Wayne gets to keep his gas cans for later use..

GAC
08-10-2007, 04:45 PM
Sorry, back on topic...sure, why not take a flyer on the guy?

Isn't that how we got some of these other guys in the bullpen we complain about and say are worthless? :p:

He was DFA'd for a reason....

A 5.61 ERA, and a 1.78 Whip?

We sign him, he sucks, and people on here can continue to complain about Krivsky's inability to improve this bullpen.

Some of you amaze me. :thumbup:

BRM
08-10-2007, 04:48 PM
Isn't that how we got some of these other guys in the bullpen we complain about and say are worthless? :p:

He was DFA'd for a reason....

A 5.61 ERA, and a 1.78 Whip?

We sign him, he sucks, and people on here can continue to complain about Krivsky's inability to improve this bullpen. :thumbup:

If Wayne is going to go dumpster diving or taking flyers on rejects, I'd rather it was on young bat-missers than elderly soft-tossers anyday.

Johnny Footstool
08-10-2007, 05:00 PM
If Wayne is going to go dumpster diving or taking flyers on rejects, I'd rather it was on young bat-missers than elderly soft-tossers anyday.

Yep. It's all about upside.

GAC
08-10-2007, 05:21 PM
If Wayne is going to go dumpster diving or taking flyers on rejects, I'd rather it was on young bat-missers than elderly soft-tossers anyday.

I'd rather see him dumpster quite a few of these guys. I don't see anything in this kid that is worth taking a flyer on him.

I'm tired, when it comes to this bullpen, of taking "flyers" (and wasting payroll) on some of these guys. But then again - when I have looked over the course of this season at all the teams that have had huge bullpen struggles and their inability to rectify them, it shows me that it has "evolved" into a league-wide problem that is not easily solved.

So what are teams doing (and not just the Reds)? Taking flyers on guys, throwing out them there, and hoping for the best. I've seen alot of teams, from the Yanks to Toronto, D'Backs, Pittsburgh, and quite a few others taking that approach this year.

And to be honest - I think people are overplaying (and over exaggerating) this angle of over-aged veteran relievers on this team. If one takes a look at the arms Krivsky has acquired since last year, or has given shots either in this rotation or in the bullpen..... youth dominates.

In the rotation, he has given young players like Lohse and Belisle chances to prove themselves. He did the same with Bailey, Livingston, Gosling, and now Dumatrait. And if one looks at this "rotating" bullpen, more youth then vets have been given opportunities to prove themselves.... and for the most part, show inconsistency and failure.

Yeah, he blew it on Cormier. Stanton, who if people look at his numbers last year, wasn't a bad risk. Sure, he's been up and down, and I'm no fan of his; but I understand why a team would take a shot on him.

Eddie Guardado? His career numbers speak for themselves. And in 15 games with the Reds last year he posted a 1.29 ERA, 1.21 Whip, and 8 saves. OK, he got hurt. They signed him to a minor league deal for $500,000. If he shows ill effects in this second half then he's gone with no great financial loss.

And complain all we want about veteran relievers, but the most consistent guy out of this bullpen has been a 38 yr old named David Weathers. In 2007, he has put up his best numbers since becoming a Red in 2005....

3.28 ERA, 1.09 WHIP, .282 OBA, .343 SLG%

GAC
08-10-2007, 05:24 PM
Yep. It's all about upside.

That's true Johnny; but what is this kid's upside? His age? THis kid has appeared in 58 games for the Indians over the last two years, and his numbers are pretty bad IMHO. Shwoing no improvement. I can understand them showing frustration and DFAing him.

Johnny Footstool
08-10-2007, 05:47 PM
That's true Johnny; but what is this kid's upside? His age? THis kid has appeared in 58 games for the Indians over the last two years, and his numbers are pretty bad IMHO. Shwoing no improvement. I can understand them showing frustration and DFAing him.

His age and his stuff. Great K/9, poor BB/9 and HR/9. I'll take a 25 year old who can strike out more than a batter per inning any day.

RedsManRick
08-10-2007, 05:54 PM
Great K/9, Poor BB/9 and HR/9. Stuff that moves so much he can't control whether he paints the corner, misses a foot outside, or grooves one over the plate.

A great stat I've seen used more recently that captures more info is K Rate, that is, K/PA. Sure, a high &#37; of his outs are strikeouts, but I wouldn't call a 2 BB, HR, 3 K inning a good one...

Still if you can get him, go for it. His statistical profile reminds me a ton of Derrick Turnbow. Dominant when he's on. Explosively horrible when he's not.

Bill
08-10-2007, 09:49 PM
GAC, Cleveland released him because they are in a playoff race and Cabrera is not getting the job done. The Reds unfortunately are not in a playoff race and have junk in the pen. Cleveland does not have time to wait for Cabrera to fulfill his potential, the Reds have all the time in the world it seems.

StillFunkyB
08-11-2007, 09:33 AM
Cabrera or hmmm.. Santos, Gosling, Stanton, Majewski

I'd deal all 4 of them for Cabrera.. sad thing is.. Cabrera is a Free Agent and all Wayne has to do is ink him to a deal and Wayne gets to keep his gas cans for later use..

I absolutely can't stand Gary Majewski anymore.

Really, I think they could run RFS62 out there and he could do a better job, and he's 90 years old!!! :p:

Ok, really, I don't like this Majewski fella. I wish he would go away.

RedLegSuperStar
08-11-2007, 10:08 AM
I absolutely can't stand Gary Majewski anymore.

Really, I think they could run RFS62 out there and he could do a better job, and he's 90 years old!!! :p:

Ok, really, I don't like this Majewski fella. I wish he would go away.

Well.. Majewski does look younger now he cut his hair and shaved his face.. but unfortunatly that is all he has going for him.

Ron Madden
08-11-2007, 11:48 PM
The only thing I have against Majewski is the fact that he can't pitch.

Falls City Beer
08-12-2007, 12:00 AM
The only thing I have against Majewski is the fact that he can't pitch.

And the fact that watching him pitch is like having someone poop on your soul.

KronoRed
08-12-2007, 02:09 AM
Hey..he's got nice hair

StillFunkyB
08-12-2007, 03:47 PM
And the fact that watching him pitch is like having someone poop on your soul.

I've been waiting for a new FCB signature.

We have a winner!! :D

edabbs44
08-14-2007, 11:26 AM
Cabrera was claimed by Tampa, per rotoworld.

BRM
08-14-2007, 11:27 AM
Here is what rotoworld has to say.



Cabrera now has five days to decide whether he wants to join the Devil Rays or become a free agent, with all indications pointing to his joining the Tampa Bay bullpen. If they can get him turned around, Cabrera could potentially be a future closer for the Devil Rays.

Joseph
08-14-2007, 11:29 AM
Why wouldn't you take the free agent route rather than Tampa? I'm not suggesting come here at all, I'm not that homer-ish, but everywhere in baseball is better than there I would think.

redsmetz
08-14-2007, 01:47 PM
Does he have a choice? If his contract was claimed by Tampa Bay, what in the agreement gives him the right to choose to become a free agent? I understand he can decline an assignment to the minors, but if a ML club grabbed him, I would think FA during the season isn't an option. Am I understanding something incorrectly?

Joseph
08-14-2007, 01:49 PM
Does he have a choice? If his contract was claimed by Tampa Bay, what in the agreement gives him the right to choose to become a free agent? I understand he can decline an assignment to the minors, but if a ML club grabbed him, I would think FA during the season isn't an option. Am I understanding something incorrectly?

I don't know. I'm just basing it one the post above mine quoting rotoworld or whatever. It says he has 5 days to accept or decide to become a free agent.

LoganBuck
08-14-2007, 01:52 PM
Why wouldn't you take the free agent route rather than Tampa? I'm not suggesting come here at all, I'm not that homer-ish, but everywhere in baseball is better than there I would think.

You have to like that nice core of young players they are collecting though. They may be ready to give it a run over the next few years, even in the AL East.

redsmetz
08-14-2007, 02:00 PM
I don't know. I'm just basing it one the post above mine quoting rotoworld or whatever. It says he has 5 days to accept or decide to become a free agent.

I understand, my question wasn't necessarily poised at you. I saw what Rotoworld had, but I thought that was if a player cleared waivers, then they had so many days to decide whether to accept the demotion or become a free agent. I think Rotoworld's mistaken, but I'm not certain. I think his contract has been claimed, hence he must report.

Johnny Footstool
08-15-2007, 05:49 PM
Great K/9, Poor BB/9 and HR/9. Stuff that moves so much he can't control whether he paints the corner, misses a foot outside, or grooves one over the plate.

A great stat I've seen used more recently that captures more info is K Rate, that is, K/PA. Sure, a high % of his outs are strikeouts, but I wouldn't call a 2 BB, HR, 3 K inning a good one...

Still if you can get him, go for it. His statistical profile reminds me a ton of Derrick Turnbow. Dominant when he's on. Explosively horrible when he's not.

Teams don't generally DFA guys with excellent K/PA, though.

A guy with a high K/9 has great stuff, which is hard to teach. If you can find a guy like that on the cheap, you should get him. Pitching coaches can work with him to improve his control.

OnBaseMachine
08-18-2007, 08:06 PM
Rotoworld:

Fernando Cabrera-R- Indians Aug. 18 - 6:57 pm et

Fernando Cabrera is a free agent after declining to join the Devil Rays on release waivers.
Cabrera still could join the Rays, but he's up for bids now and could seek a contract that includes an option with a buyout for 2008. There should be plenty of non-contenders after someone with his upside.
Related: Devil Rays

Sign him, Wayne.

KronoRed
08-18-2007, 10:44 PM
Get him cheap..why not?

flyer85
08-18-2007, 10:52 PM
Get him cheap..why not?can't do that because the Reds would have to DFA Stanton or Guardado (they are needed to lead the comeback).

BRM
08-22-2007, 02:01 PM
Baltimore wins the prize.


The Orioles have agreed to terms with former Cleveland Indians reliever Fernando Cabrera on a minor league contract for the rest of the season.

Cabrera, a 25-year-old right-hander whose main asset is his powerful arm, is expected to report to Triple-A Norfolk and be called up in September.

The Indians designated Cabrera for assignment Aug. 1 after he went 1-2 with a 5.61 ERA in 24 games. He was given his outright release Aug. 9, and the Tampa Bay Devil Rays claimed him last week. Cabrera declined the waiver assignment.

LINK (http://www.baltimoresun.com/sports/baseball/bal-cabrera0821,0,1874135.story?track=rss)

flyer85
08-24-2007, 11:15 AM
Sad part is 5.61 ERA would look good in the Cincy pen. Better than Majewski, Saarloos, Stanton and Guradado.

nate
08-24-2007, 11:34 AM
But worse than:

Weathers, Bray, Burton and Gosling.

And I guess if we put EG in there with his whopping 5 innings pitched, its worthwhile to note that Magic's ERA since coming back up is 3.86. In his last 4 outings he hasn't allowed a run.

I think the horse is still moving...better get over there!

flyer85
08-24-2007, 11:37 AM
And I guess if we put EG in there with his whopping 5 innings pitched, its worthwhile to note that Magic's ERA since coming back up is 3.86. In his last 4 outings he hasn't allowed a run... and if you take away all of Stantons bad outings his ERA is ZERO. :p:

nate
08-24-2007, 12:01 PM
.. and if you take away all of Stantons bad outings his ERA is ZERO. :p:

Same with Cabrera.

:p: