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Red Leader
08-03-2007, 01:41 PM
From Rotoworld.com:


Blue Jays recalled IF Ray Olmedo from Triple-A Syracuse.

Olmedo takes the place of Royce Clayton, who was designated for assignment. He'll serve as a utility man and could get some playing time at shortstop in place of John McDonald.

There is a team that could use Alex Gonzalez. Does anyone think Paul Janish could step in next year and be the starter in Cincinnati? If so, dealing Gonzalez (and his contract) could net us a near ready pitching prospect like Ricky Romero. What do you think?

BRM
08-03-2007, 01:43 PM
Janish would likely be a downgrade offensively believe it or not.

edabbs44
08-03-2007, 01:48 PM
From Rotoworld.com:



There is a team that could use Alex Gonzalez. Does anyone think Paul Janish could step in next year and be the starter in Cincinnati? If so, dealing Gonzalez (and his contract) could net us a near ready pitching prospect like Ricky Romero. What do you think?

Saves money and adds to the future...I'm in. It's not like Gonzalez is the difference between the playoffs and the basement.

Red Leader
08-03-2007, 01:49 PM
In looking at the free agents this coming offseason I'm seeing Omar Vizquel and David Eckstein. Scrapppy!

westofyou
08-03-2007, 01:50 PM
Janish would likely be a downgrade offensively believe it or not.

AG is going to end up pretty high on this list I bet


CINCINNATI REDS
SEASON
MODERN (1900-)
SS


EXTRA BASE HITS YEAR EBH AB
1 Barry Larkin 1996 69 517
2 Felipe Lopez 2005 62 580
T3 Barry Larkin 1998 61 538
T3 Eddie Miller 1947 61 545
5 Barry Larkin 1991 51 464
T6 Barry Larkin 1995 50 496
T6 Barry Larkin 1992 50 533
T8 Leo Cardenas 1966 49 568
T8 Barry Larkin 1988 49 588
10 Leo Cardenas 1965 47 557
T11 Barry Larkin 2002 46 507
T11 Barry Larkin 1999 46 583
13 Leo Cardenas 1962 45 589
T14 Dave Concepcion 1979 44 590
T14 Dave Concepcion 1976 44 576
T14 Dave Concepcion 1980 44 622
T17 Leo Cardenas 1964 43 597
T17 Dave Concepcion 1978 43 565
T19 Barry Larkin 2000 42 396
T19 Eddie Miller 1945 42 421
21 Roy McMillan 1952 41 540
22 Dave Concepcion 1974 40 594
23 Eddie Joost 1942 39 562
24 Barry Larkin 1990 38 614
T25 Virgil Stallcup 1948 37 539
T25 Barry Larkin 1994 37 427
T25 Dave Concepcion 1977 37 572
T28 Billy Myers 1938 36 442
T28 Virgil Stallcup 1949 36 575

He currently has 35 EBH in 318 ab's. If he reaches 450 AB's at that pace he'll be around #13, and like Larkin in 1991 getting an EBH about every 9 ab's.

Chip R
08-03-2007, 01:51 PM
In looking at the free agents this coming offseason I'm seeing Omar Vizquel and David Eckstein. Scrapppy!


Old and scrappy. Better not let Wayne see that.

REDREAD
08-03-2007, 01:51 PM
I'd move Gonzo in a heartbeat for a decent prospect.

I wouldn't be looking to give him away for free, simply because we have no other options (Thanks Wayne :( ) But if Gonzo can bring you a potential future ML player, you do it.

11larkin11
08-03-2007, 01:53 PM
I'm not a big Janish fan. I really think you cannot have to sub-Mendoza line hitters in the 7-8 holes, with the pitcher in the 9 hole.

Caseyfan21
08-03-2007, 01:55 PM
I don't really see how we can get rid of Gonzalez right now. Our middle infield depth at AAA and the majors is horrible. Keppinger could play SS but I'm sure how comfortable I am with him there every day. We also have Pedro Lopez when he gets back but I'm not sure about him either. To be honest I really don't know too much about Lopez or Keppinger's game as I haven't been able to watch the Reds too much this year living out of state.

And to address Janish I don't see how he could hit over .200 in the majors right now. Gonzalez gives us quite a bit more than that, especially with some of his success this year.

The only other good option to Gonzalez would be Brandon Phillips and why mess with him at 2b when he's doing fine.

indy_dave00
08-03-2007, 01:58 PM
Paul Janish is struggling batting under .200 at Louisville. Janish will never be a good hitter , his glove is good but not spectacular.



PlayerFull Name: Paul Ryan Janish
Born: 10/12/1982
Birthplace: Houston, TX
College: Rice
Height: 6' 2"
Weight: 190
Bats: R
Throws: R


2007 Season
Team League AVG G AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI TB BB SO SB CS OBP SLG OPS
CHA SOU .244 88 324 46 79 21 2 1 20 107 50 54 10 3 .358 .330 .688
LOU INT .179 24 78 8 14 1 0 0 5 15 6 12 1 0 .247 .192 .439
Minors .231 112 402 54 93 22 2 1 25 122 56 66 11 3 .338 .303 .641

At 25 , this winter I don't honestly believe we are going to see him become a hitter. If he has a major league future its as a Juan Castro type player. Sorry even that may be a reach.

Chip R
08-03-2007, 02:00 PM
I'm fine with Gonzo. After this year he only has 2 years left on his deal and if youwant to trade him, there are teams that are always looking for good defense with a major league stick at SS. Let me clarify that last statement. I know that Gonzo isn't going to make anyone forget Larkin at the plate but you know what he can do whereas you have teams that take chances with 22 year olds out of the Dominican or wherever who are pretty slick with the glove but can't hit yet. Managers may want a little more security at SS even if he is a rental.

Red Leader
08-03-2007, 02:03 PM
Yeah, let me make it clear, I don't want to dump Gonzalez. I think he's a fine major league shortstop, I'm just trying to look around the team, and then the rest of the league to see what we have in place that other teams might want / need this offseason. SS is certainly a position that about 1/2 or more of the teams in the majors could afford to upgrade.

Having said that, that means that the Reds currently employ a player that is as good or better than 1/2 of the teams in MLB. I'm fine with keeping him, but if you've got someone near ready that you think can replace him, and can get a real nice return for him I think you should move him this offseason. Unfortunately, it doesn't look like the Reds have that fallback option.

BuckeyeRedleg
08-03-2007, 02:03 PM
I like M2's idea of snagging Bixler from Pittsburgh.

Trade Gonzo to Toronto for a minor prospect. Maybe make it a three-way if there's anyone Pittsbugh has any interest in within Toronto's system.

indy_dave00
08-03-2007, 02:17 PM
I've seen Brian Bixler a lot here this season. He's a solid journeyman type ss , does a little of everything. But at 25 , before next season I get the feeling he's not going to be anything above average at best in the bigs .

He's the scrappy type , that I think some fans look at as being better than they really are.

deltachi8
08-03-2007, 02:29 PM
Riccardi said this week the Jays are happy with John McDonald as their SS. He didn't say that they were not looking for anyone else, but he made it clear that McDonald had won the job this year and they were giving hm the rest of the year to solidify it.

Red Leader
08-03-2007, 02:32 PM
McDonald had the job at the end of last year, and they replaced him. Ricciardi can say all he wants but they're going to be looking for a replacement this offseason. They aren't happy with what McDonald gives them, and they shouldn't be.

deltachi8
08-03-2007, 02:53 PM
Perhaps, RL but i don't see JP payng the contract on Gonzalez.