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Jpup
08-05-2007, 08:27 PM
I didn't want to start a complete thread for just one transaction or just one player clearing waivers so maybe we can use this thread to discuss all things pertaining to the waiver wire.

so, with that said, Mike Piazza has cleared waivers and can be traded to any team in baseball per ESPN's Buster Olney. I have no idea who might be interested in Piazza, but he is available.

Does anyone else know who is out there and available.

Mario-Rijo
08-05-2007, 08:31 PM
This is old news but I'll put it here in case a few have not heard it.

Link (http://http://arizona.diamondbacks.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20070804&content_id=2129867&vkey=news_ari&fext=.jsp&c_id=ari)

The D-Backs claimed Byun-Yung Kim, Jeff Cirillo and Joe Kennedy off of waivers, from the Marlins, Twins and A's respectively.

Jpup
08-05-2007, 08:46 PM
Olney said that Miguel Tejada was claimed on waiver by the White Sox, but they couldn't complete a trade and Tejada is still in Baltimore.

Spitball
08-05-2007, 09:11 PM
...so, with that said, Mike Piazza has cleared waivers and can be traded to any team in baseball per ESPN's Buster Olney. I have no idea who might be interested in Piazza, but he is available.

I'm betting the Angels end up with him, but Stoneman is kind of an immovable object to Beane's unstoppable force.

blumj
08-07-2007, 03:37 PM
http://www.bradfordfiles.com/?p=155

Wily Mo cleared waivers. The Sox signed Bobby Kielty to a minor league deal, but he can opt out if he's not promoted in a week, so something could happen pretty soon.

Heath
08-07-2007, 04:12 PM
http://www.bradfordfiles.com/?p=155

Wily Mo cleared waivers. The Sox signed Bobby Kielty to a minor league deal, but he can opt out if he's not promoted in a week, so something could happen pretty soon.


Wow. Wily Mo got passed up by his ol Buddy, Leatherpants. Wonder if he's waiting for an outright release.

deltachi8
08-07-2007, 04:18 PM
http://www.bradfordfiles.com/?p=155

Wily Mo cleared waivers. The Sox signed Bobby Kielty to a minor league deal, but he can opt out if he's not promoted in a week, so something could happen pretty soon.

So can he be sent to Louisville now?

;)

blumj
08-07-2007, 04:46 PM
So can he be sent to Louisville now?

;)

You laugh, BUT, if his value is now so low that no one was willing to claim him (and his salary) off revocable waivers, maybe no one would be willing to claim him (and his salary) off irrevocable waivers, and since he doesn't appear to have enough service time to refuse a minor league assignment, this could actually wind up with Wily Mo in AAA. If no one makes a half decent offer for him, and if the Red Sox are absolutely determined to replace him on the 25 man roster, what have they got to lose by trying?

Redsland
08-07-2007, 04:59 PM
…since he doesn't appear to have enough service time to refuse a minor league assignment…
Actually, I believe he does. Cots (http://mlbcontracts.blogspot.com/2004/12/boston-red-sox.html) says he had 4.101 years of service time entering this season. That means he needed 71 more days on the active roster to become a five-year player and gain the ability to refuse an outright assignment. ESPN (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/profile?statsId=6522) says he has appeared in 68 games this season. Add in his 15-day trip to the DL, plus assorted off-days and games he didn't appear in, and I'd bet he's past the threshold for five years of service.

Mario-Rijo
08-07-2007, 05:02 PM
You laugh, BUT, if his value is now so low that no one was willing to claim him (and his salary) off revocable waivers, maybe no one would be willing to claim him (and his salary) off irrevocable waivers, and since he doesn't appear to have enough service time to refuse a minor league assignment, this could actually wind up with Wily Mo in AAA. If no one makes a half decent offer for him, and if the Red Sox are absolutely determined to replace him on the 25 man roster, what have they got to lose by trying?

It would be a god send for Wily Mo wherever he goes to finally be a minor leaguer. Hey, we could use a RH bat w/ Power. How about oh I don't Mike Stanton Boston?

BRM
08-07-2007, 05:30 PM
From MLBTradeRumors.



According to Rob Bradford of the Boston Herald, Wily Mo Pena has cleared waivers without a claim. It seems no team was willing to risk taking on the $580K owed to Pena this year. Or maybe it was the $2MM+ he'll get in 2008 before reaching free agency. Pena can now be freely traded to any team in baseball, though the players received would have to clear waivers too if on the 40-man roster. The way around it would be to make them players to be named later.

I'm surprised no one put in a claim on Pena. It can't really be his salary, can it? Teams waste more than that on players with no upside constantly. Abraham Nunez makes almost $2MM this year. Is it possible that Theo Epstein somehow convinced the 29 other GMs not to put in a claim? That doesn't seem possible either. Why wouldn't Jim Bowden put in a claim? He loves Pena. Why wouldn't the White Sox put in a claim? Even if a GM figured he couldn't hammer out a deal with Epstein for Pena, why not put in a claim anyway just in case?

Raisor
08-07-2007, 06:35 PM
I predicted a couple years ago that WMP winds up Japan, very soon. I'm still sticking with that.

Chip R
08-07-2007, 07:00 PM
I predicted a couple years ago that WMP winds up Japan, very soon. I'm still sticking with that.


I think he's big enough he could wind Japan up. :p:

blumj
08-07-2007, 07:13 PM
Actually, I believe he does. Cots (http://mlbcontracts.blogspot.com/2004/12/boston-red-sox.html) says he had 4.101 years of service time entering this season. That means he needed 71 more days on the active roster to become a five-year player and gain the ability to refuse an outright assignment. ESPN (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/profile?statsId=6522) says he has appeared in 68 games this season. Add in his 15-day trip to the DL, plus assorted off-days and games he didn't appear in, and I'd bet he's past the threshold for five years of service.

You're right, sorry about that. Well, that just adds another layer of intrigue to the story.

PuffyPig
08-07-2007, 07:29 PM
It would be a god send for Wily Mo wherever he goes to finally be a minor leaguer.

I'm glad that some major league team was finally able to convince Wily Mo and his agent to accept a deal that will alow him to go to the minors.:rolleyes:

KronoRed
08-07-2007, 08:08 PM
I predicted a couple years ago that WMP winds up Japan, very soon. I'm still sticking with that.

Cecil part2

RedLegSuperStar
08-13-2007, 02:29 AM
MLBTradeRumors.com -


Josh Towers and Steve Trachsel have both cleared waivers. You'll find their contract info as well as a complete list of those who have cleared waivers here. Rosenthal says the Rockies are monitoring both pitchers; they were forced to start journeyman Tim Harikkala today. The Rox also called the A's about Chad Gaudin but found the price prohibitive. Another reason a Gaudin trade wouldn't make sense is that he wouldn't pass through waivers.

Towers is attracting multiple suitors. I think he'll have moderate success in the NL as a #4 starter.

Not excited about the 18 HR's given up.. but I wouldn't mind having Josh Towers on the Reds..

PuffyPig
08-13-2007, 01:10 PM
Actually, I believe he does. Cots (http://mlbcontracts.blogspot.com/2004/12/boston-red-sox.html) says he had 4.101 years of service time entering this season. That means he needed 71 more days on the active roster to become a five-year player and gain the ability to refuse an outright assignment. ESPN (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/profile?statsId=6522) says he has appeared in 68 games this season. Add in his 15-day trip to the DL, plus assorted off-days and games he didn't appear in, and I'd bet he's past the threshold for five years of service.

THis doesn't make sense. Wily Mo was has 4 season from 2003-2206. In 2002, he came up to Cincy in September when the rosters were expanded, so he couldn't have more than 30 days over and above his 4 years.

Benihana
08-13-2007, 01:53 PM
MLBTradeRumors.com -



Not excited about the 18 HR's given up.. but I wouldn't mind having Josh Towers on the Reds..

I would trade one of the Hattenine brothers for him. I might even throw in Weathers. Toronto needs a closer.

RedLegSuperStar
08-13-2007, 02:05 PM
I would trade one of the Hattenine brothers for him. I might even throw in Weathers. Toronto needs a closer.

Coffey and Conine?

Tornon
08-13-2007, 03:22 PM
THis doesn't make sense. Wily Mo was has 4 season from 2003-2206. In 2002, he came up to Cincy in September when the rosters were expanded, so he couldn't have more than 30 days over and above his 4 years.

Wouldn't the 30(i think it was actually less) days be about .101 ?

IslandRed
08-13-2007, 03:49 PM
Wouldn't the 30(i think it was actually less) days be about .101 ?

Service time is usually listed in Years.Days so WMP's 4.101 is supposed to mean four years and 101 days.

I'm not really sure where the 101 comes from either, given when he was originally called up to the majors.

cincrazy
08-13-2007, 04:04 PM
I know that Kei Igawa was claimed by the Padres, and the Padres and the Yanks have been trying to work something out. Maybe in the NL, in that ballpark, Igawa could be a decent back of the rotation picture, but I think it's clear he'll never succeed in New York.

Also, Jose Contreras has clearedl waivers, but anyone wanting to trade for that guy must be out of their mind. You'd be hard pressed to find a pitcher that has performed worse than Contreras.

blumj
08-13-2007, 05:53 PM
Service time is usually listed in Years.Days so WMP's 4.101 is supposed to mean four years and 101 days.

I'm not really sure where the 101 comes from either, given when he was originally called up to the majors.
It doesn't actually make sense. How can a player accumulate more than one year of service time per full season on a 25 man roster? At least according to common sense, he shouldn't hit 5 years for a few more weeks if his first call up was Sept., 2002. Full seasons '03-'06, that should be 4 years, the total should still add up to less than 5 years until '02 and '07 combine for enough days on the roster to add up to a full season.

Is it possible the 101 days was more up-to-date than we think?

LoganBuck
08-13-2007, 06:38 PM
You'd be hard pressed to find a pitcher that has performed worse than Contreras.

Any of a handful of Reds relievers.

cincrazy
08-13-2007, 07:55 PM
Jose Contreras makes Todd Coffey look like John Franco in his prime :)

nate
08-13-2007, 08:32 PM
Jose Contreras makes Todd Coffey look like John Franco in his prime :)

Isn't Contreras a starter?

IslandRed
08-13-2007, 09:22 PM
It doesn't actually make sense. How can a player accumulate more than one year of service time per full season on a 25 man roster? At least according to common sense, he shouldn't hit 5 years for a few more weeks if his first call up was Sept., 2002. Full seasons '03-'06, that should be 4 years, the total should still add up to less than 5 years until '02 and '07 combine for enough days on the roster to add up to a full season.

Is it possible the 101 days was more up-to-date than we think?

Here's a link from last offseason's arbitration:

http://www.bizofbaseball.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=599&Itemid=72

So there's the 4.101 again. Like I said, I'm not sure how they derived the 101 going into 2003. Since he was on a major-league contract from the get-go, I wonder if he was ever stashed on the 60-day DL for awhile when in the minors (which would temporarily free up a 40-man roster spot but may have granted him service time for those days)?

blumj
08-13-2007, 10:15 PM
Here's a link from last offseason's arbitration:

http://www.bizofbaseball.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=599&Itemid=72

So there's the 4.101 again. Like I said, I'm not sure how they derived the 101 going into 2003. Since he was on a major-league contract from the get-go, I wonder if he was ever stashed on the 60-day DL for awhile when in the minors (which would temporarily free up a 40-man roster spot but may have granted him service time for those days)?
That makes sense at least, though. I guess we'll see if the Red Sox do anything soon enough.

cincrazy
08-14-2007, 01:59 AM
Isn't Contreras a starter?

Yeah, he's a starter. But whether as a starter or reliever, Contreras has taken the art of crappy pitching to levels not seen since Jimmy Haynes last roamed a major league mound.