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Heath
08-06-2007, 01:27 PM
Saw a little bit on the SD form about Dickerson's hot second half. While the recent push gives Dickerson only to .265/.791 there are some comparisons physically and he's actually increased his BA and OPS.

Fool's gold or the new fad?

KronoRed
08-06-2007, 01:33 PM
Looks more like the next Anderson Machado

Red Leader
08-06-2007, 01:36 PM
Good glove, doesn't have the bat to stick, IMO.

oneupper
08-06-2007, 01:47 PM
Jeff Keppinger is the next Chris Denorfia.

M2
08-06-2007, 01:49 PM
Dickerson could be a useful 5th OF - good glove, good wheels, perhaps a .750ish OPS. Ideally, the Reds should be building the bench from players like him (developed in-house or plucked inexpensively from other organizations - like Freel and Cody Ross) instead of paying older guys, who in most cases won't be any better, to sit on the bench. It would free up more cash to spend on frontline talents.

BRM
08-06-2007, 01:52 PM
A .750 OPS would put him in the middle of the pack for centerfielders though. I certainly wouldn't mind giving him a shot at a bench job next season.

dougdirt
08-06-2007, 01:53 PM
Denorfia and Dickerson are very different players. Denorfia is a high average, lower power, low strikeout with good defense guy. Dickerson is a low average, moderate power, high strikeout and great defense guy with more than enough speed.

Dickerson had a very bad month of May as he was promoted to Louisville, but since then he seems to have adjusted well and posted OPS's of .835 and .842 in June and July.

edabbs44
08-06-2007, 01:54 PM
Denorfia and Dickerson are very different players. Denorfia is a high average, lower power, low strikeout with good defense guy. Dickerson is a low average, moderate power, high strikeout and great defense guy with more than enough speed.

Dickerson had a very bad month of May as he was promoted to Louisville, but since then he seems to have adjusted well and posted OPS's of .835 and .842 in June and July.

Why is Deno only a "good" defense guy? Didn't he get best defender in the Intl League last year?

Chip R
08-06-2007, 01:56 PM
A .750 OPS would put him in the middle of the pack for centerfielders though. I certainly wouldn't mind giving him a shot at a bench job next season.


He would be an interesting option but if Dunn is around, you have him in LF, Jr. in RF and either Hamilton, Hopper or Freel in CF. Of course they could keep Hamilton in the minors next year, possibly Hopper too, for that matter but it seems like he and Hopper have about the same kind of skills. I'm not si sure you want two guys like that on your bench.

BRM
08-06-2007, 01:58 PM
He would be an interesting option but if Dunn is around, you have him in LF, Jr. in RF and either Hamilton, Hopper or Freel in CF. Of course they could keep Hamilton in the minors next year, possibly Hopper too, for that matter but it seems like he and Hopper have about the same kind of skills. I'm not si sure you want two guys like that on your bench.

I wouldn't bet on all those guys being in Cincinnati next year. One or two of Junior, Dunn, and Freel is likely to be gone. Just my opinion of course.

Chip R
08-06-2007, 02:09 PM
I wouldn't bet on all those guys being in Cincinnati next year. One or two of Junior, Dunn, and Freel is likely to be gone. Just my opinion of course.


Possibly. But even if that happens, is having Dickerson on the roster while also having Hopper on there a good idea?

BRM
08-06-2007, 02:11 PM
Possibly. But even if that happens, is having Dickerson on the roster while also having Hopper on there a good idea?

It may not be. I'd say the two are slightly different hitters though so there may be room for them.

dougdirt
08-06-2007, 02:11 PM
Why is Deno only a "good" defense guy? Didn't he get best defender in the Intl League last year?

OK, let me rephrase that to VERY good. Dickerson is a little bit better though, probably thanks to his speed.

Kc61
08-06-2007, 02:18 PM
I would like to see Dickerson as a backup outfielder for the Reds. I understand he covers a ton of ground in center and the Reds don't have any other outfielders with blazing speed. The team doesn't have another "true" centerfielder. Hamilton and Hopper are ok in center but better as corner outfielders. Even if Free plays center, he needs lots of backup.

Dickerson could also make things happen on the bases. I like the idea of a "burner" on the team.

osuceltic
08-06-2007, 02:57 PM
Dickerson could be a useful 5th OF - good glove, good wheels, perhaps a .750ish OPS. Ideally, the Reds should be building the bench from players like him (developed in-house or plucked inexpensively from other organizations - like Freel and Cody Ross) instead of paying older guys, who in most cases won't be any better, to sit on the bench. It would free up more cash to spend on frontline talents.

It's easy to ticket these guys for the bench, until you need to call on a pinch hitter with a man on second and two outs in the eighth inning of a tie game. That's a unique skill, and not all non-starter-level prospects have it.

dougdirt
08-06-2007, 02:58 PM
It's easy to ticket these guys for the bench, until you need to call on a pinch hitter with a man on second and two outs in the eighth inning of a tie game. That's a unique skill, and not all non-starter-level prospects have it.

And that is when you call for Norris Hopper to step to the plate. Ideally you don't want a bench full of guys like Dickerson, but the Reds currently don't have a guy like him at all on the bench.

Caveat Emperor
08-06-2007, 02:59 PM
It's easy to ticket these guys for the bench, until you need to call on a pinch hitter with a man on second and two outs in the eighth inning of a tie game. That's a unique skill, and not all non-starter-level prospects have it.

As long as he's breathing, I'd probably rather see him at the plate in that situation than Chad Moeller or Juan Castro.

Hoosier Red
08-06-2007, 03:10 PM
As long as he's breathing, I'd probably rather see him at the plate in that situation than Chad Moeller or Juan Castro.

And really even if he isn't wouldn't that be pretty much a draw?

M2
08-06-2007, 03:10 PM
It's easy to ticket these guys for the bench, until you need to call on a pinch hitter with a man on second and two outs in the eighth inning of a tie game. That's a unique skill, and not all non-starter-level prospects have it.

Neither do most bench veterans. There's a reason why those guys aren't starting.

I'm all for carrying 8 regulars, 10 pitchers, one backup C, one general backup IF, one general backup OF and then the four best bats you can lay your hands on regardless of position (chances are you'll be looking at a lot of OF types though). Obviously that's amibitious because it assumes no platoons and most teams are carrying at least 12 pitchers these days.

One of the big problems with the Reds this century has been the horrid bench. The PH options at the end of the game have been lousy and the replacements when guys get injured have been awful.

Using guys who've been through the organization of late, my bench 2008 might look something like - Brendan Harris, Jeff Keppinger, Cody Ross, Chris Dickerson, Norris Hopper. Obviously two of those guys (both of whom have some bat skills) are gone, but I'd put that crew up against most benches.