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Degenerate39
08-07-2007, 12:16 PM
Dunn: What's the deal?
Player's option 'not on my plate now,' GM says
BY JOHN FAY

Adam Dunn would like to know.

Dunn's future with the Reds is the subject of daily speculation. Will the Reds trade him? Will they pick up his option for next season?

"I'd like to know sometimes what's the deal," he said. "I know they probably don't have the answer. But I'd like to see where their mind is. I don't know what they're thinking."


The Reds tried to trade Dunn before July's trade deadline approached. But his contract lessened Dunn's value: a trade would have voided next year's $13 million club option. So any club that traded for Dunn would have only had him through October unless they were able to negotiate a longer deal.

The talk now is that the Reds will either trade Dunn in the offseason, or not pick up his option and allow him to leave the team as a free agent. In that case, the club would get draft picks for him.

General manager Wayne Krivsky said he didn't know when the club would decide on Dunn's option.

"It's not on my plate right now," Krivsky said. "Because I don't have to make a decision."

Dunn is 27 years old. He's averaged 42 home runs, 98 RBI, 103 runs and 111 walks the last three years. And he's missed a total of five games in the past three years.

That doesn't sound like the type of player a club would want to lose.

"Very often, you concentrate on what a guy can't do, instead of what he can do," Reds manager Pete Mackanin said. "I don't know why it's that way in baseball. But no one is ever completely satisfied."

Dunn's negatives - he's a below-average fielder and has a career average of .221 with runners in scoring position - are reasons to trade him.

Baseball's economics also play a role. Dunn will make $13 million next year if the club picks up the option.

The outfielder will probably never say publicly that he wants out. But the constant talk has to wear on him.

Both local newspaper columnists have called for the club to trade him. Dunn said his mother won't listen to games that Marty Brennaman, Thom Brennaman or Jeff Brantley broadcast.

But there are also fans who love Dunn. They point to Dunn's .363 on-base percentage and his .555 slugging average. That adds up to a .918 on-base plus slugging - the best on the team. OPS is considered by many baseball junkies as the best indicator of offensive production.

Dunn insists he doesn't pay attention to the speculation about his future.

"There's nothing I can do about it," he said, "so why would I?"

Dunn said in spring training that he was embarrassed by his 2006 season, and vowed to improve.

He has. Dunn's batting average is .262; he hit .234 last year.

He hit 40 home runs and drove in 92 runs last year; he's on pace this year to hit 45 home runs and drive in 106 runs.

He made 12 errors last year; he's made four this year.

Dunn is critical of himself. Point to his numbers and he says: "It's not over yet. There's a lot of baseball left."

This is Mackanin's first extended exposure to Dunn.

"He brings a lot to the table," Mackanin said. "He's a major threat. I guarantee you when pitchers see him come to the plate they're afraid of the type of thing that happened (Saturday)."

Saturday, Dunn hit a two-run home run in the 10th inning to lift the Reds to a 9-8 victory.

"You don't want to make a mistake to him because he can hit the ball out of any part of the ballpark," Mackanin said. "That's a real bonus to have him on any team.

"Sure, he has faults. He's not the best defender in the world. He goes through streaks where he strikes out more than you want to see. But there aren't many players that you don't have criticism of some aspect of their game."

Mackanin was a coach in Montreal when Vladimir Guerrero was coming up.

"He'd swing at a ball in the dirt and get himself out," Mackanin said.

"They'd say, 'that's the problem with him.' Then you'd look at the stats and he's hitting .350."

Interesting story

ED44
08-07-2007, 12:19 PM
I just posted that in another Dunn thread. Pretty decent read. Here is the rest of that article comparing LF's in the NL Central:

WAY OUT IN LEFT FIELD

Here's a look at the left fielders in the NL Central by stats and salary:

Name Club Avg. HR RBI OBP Slug. OPS Salary
Adam Dunn Reds .262 30 73 .363 .551 .918 $10.5 million
Alfonso Soriano Cubs .297 18 42 .336 .511 .848 $10 million
Carlos Lee Astros .298 23 90 .353 .531 .883 $11.5 million
Geoff Jenkins Brewers .269 14 45 .341 .483 .824 $7.3 million
Jason Bay Pirates .260 17 71 .335 .440 .775 $3.5 million
Chris Duncan Cards .285 20 59 .376 .540 .920 $400,000

Blue
08-07-2007, 12:23 PM
What if we've got this all wrong, and the Reds are going to pick up the option and use the next year to sign him long term, before he's allowed to talk to anyone else?

Degenerate39
08-07-2007, 12:28 PM
I just posted that in another Dunn thread. Pretty decent read. Here is the rest of that article comparing LF's in the NL Central:

WAY OUT IN LEFT FIELD

Here's a look at the left fielders in the NL Central by stats and salary:

Name Club Avg. HR RBI OBP Slug. OPS Salary
Adam Dunn Reds .262 30 73 .363 .551 .918 $10.5 million
Alfonso Soriano Cubs .297 18 42 .336 .511 .848 $10 million
Carlos Lee Astros .298 23 90 .353 .531 .883 $11.5 million
Geoff Jenkins Brewers .269 14 45 .341 .483 .824 $7.3 million
Jason Bay Pirates .260 17 71 .335 .440 .775 $3.5 million
Chris Duncan Cards .285 20 59 .376 .540 .920 $400,000

The bold is what he leads those players in and the red is for 2nd place

BearcatShane
08-07-2007, 12:58 PM
If they pick up that option were not really going to be able to improve this team in the offseason unless Bob opens his wallet.

Fil3232
08-07-2007, 01:17 PM
If they pick up that option were not really going to be able to improve this team in the offseason unless Bob opens his wallet.


They could trade Griffey...

Degenerate39
08-07-2007, 01:45 PM
If they pick up that option were not really going to be able to improve this team in the offseason unless Bob opens his wallet.

If they don't pick up that option were not really going to be able to improve this team

BLEEDS
08-07-2007, 02:06 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by ED44
I just posted that in another Dunn thread. Pretty decent read. Here is the rest of that article comparing LF's in the NL Central:

WAY OUT IN LEFT FIELD

Here's a look at the left fielders in the NL Central by stats and salary:

Name Club Avg. HR RBI OBP Slug. OPS Salary
Adam Dunn Reds .262 30 73 .363 .551 .918 $10.5 million
Alfonso Soriano Cubs .297 18 42 .336 .511 .848 $10 million
Carlos Lee Astros .298 23 90 .353 .531 .883 $11.5 million
Geoff Jenkins Brewers .269 14 45 .341 .483 .824 $7.3 million
Jason Bay Pirates .260 17 71 .335 .440 .775 $3.5 million
Chris Duncan Cards .285 20 59 .376 .540 .920 $400,000

The bold is what he leads those players in and the red is for 2nd place


Fixed it for ya...

PEACE

-BLEEDS

AmarilloRed
08-07-2007, 02:35 PM
I am for picking up the option simply because we have no other alternative. Jay Bruce is an option, but he might be a year away and I would think he would take over in right once Griffey's contract expired. There is also no guarantee that Bruce would approach Dunn's numbers. I don't mind paying Dunn, as he has earned it this year.

noskill27
08-07-2007, 03:12 PM
If they pick up that option were not really going to be able to improve this team in the offseason unless Bob opens his wallet.

Who is out there to get in free agency? I don't see anyone who we could spend $13 million in free agency and get more bang for our buck then we do with Dunn.

BigREDSfaninKY
08-07-2007, 06:44 PM
Not trying to knock Dunn, but how many guys have hit 40+ homers and only drove in 100 runs. I would hope a 40 homer guy would at least drive in 120 runs. Wouldn't you? I guess that is an indictment of the guys hitting in front of him. But really, I can only think of Soriano who did it in 05 or 06, but he's a leadoff hitter. Anyone else.