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Matt700wlw
08-07-2007, 02:44 PM
The Soul of baseball

Jason LaRue has hit .194 in 191 at-bats last year. So that means that in his last 318 at-bats, LaRue is hitting .179. The last guy to get 300 at-bats in ONE season and hit that badly the great Rob Deer in 1991. He hit .179 in 448 at-bats. Deer did bang 25 homers (13 more than LaRue) and walk 89 times (50 more than Larue). Before that, you have to go back to 1974.

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westofyou
08-07-2007, 02:48 PM
Here are the worst BA's in the division era, Jason LaRue - This generations Jody Davis.


SEASON
1969-2006
OBA vs. the league average displayed only--not a sorting criteria
RUNS CREATED/GAME vs. the league average displayed only--not a sorting criteria
AT BATS < 300
AGE displayed only--not a sorting criteria

AVERAGE YEAR AVG OBA RC/G AB AGE
1 Jim Mason 1975 .152 -.100 -3.09 223 24
2 Nate Colbert 1975 .156 -.100 -2.26 237 29
3 Kenny Williams 1988 .159 -.104 -2.46 220 24
4 Rich Morales 1973 .161 -.087 -2.99 248 29
5 Donnie Sadler 2001 .162 -.094 -3.53 185 26
6 Greg Vaughn 2002 .163 -.045 -1.95 251 36
7 Roger Repoz 1969 .164 -.061 -1.87 219 28
8 Ray Oyler 1969 .165 -.072 -2.41 255 30
9 John Vukovich 1971 .166 -.115 -2.99 217 23
10 Mark Belanger 1979 .167 -.062 -2.63 198 35
11 Bob Hamelin 1995 .168 -.066 -2.50 208 27
12 Jody Davis 1989 .169 -.075 -2.49 231 32
13 Jeff Kunkel 1990 .170 -.107 -2.68 200 28
14 John Hale 1978 .171 -.043 -1.84 211 24
15 Bob Dernier 1989 .171 -.096 -2.58 187 32
16 Bill Robinson 1969 .171 -.105 -2.60 222 26
17 Jermaine Dye 2003 .172 -.073 -3.10 221 29
T18 Duane Walker 1985 .172 -.065 -1.69 180 28
T18 Ernie Whitt 1990 .172 -.066 -2.77 180 38
20 Juan Bell 1991 .172 -.128 -2.83 209 23

Tom Servo
08-07-2007, 02:49 PM
All of those who supported keeping LaRue and dumping Ross have been surprisingly quiet since April.

edabbs44
08-07-2007, 02:51 PM
All of those who supported keeping LaRue and dumping Ross have been surprisingly quiet since April.

I was all for LaRue leaving, but Ross is no prize. His highest monthly BA this year has been a sterling .232 in May. Woo hoo.

Tom Servo
08-07-2007, 02:54 PM
I was all for LaRue leaving, but Ross is no prize. His highest monthly BA this year has been a sterling .232 in May. Woo hoo.
I agree Ross is no great shakes, but he atleast gives us very good D and occasionally remembers how to hit the ball. LaRue isn't giving KC much of anything.

Matt700wlw
08-07-2007, 02:54 PM
I was all for LaRue leaving, but Ross is no prize. His highest monthly BA this year has been a sterling .232 in May. Woo hoo.

I'd rather him remain solid on defense...and occasionally do something with the bat than neither, which is what LaRue brings to the table anymore...

BRM
08-07-2007, 02:57 PM
All of those who supported keeping LaRue and dumping Ross have been surprisingly quiet since April.

I supported selling high on Ross because his value would seem to have been very high after his 2006 season. I didn't necessarily support keeping Larue but if it was part of the idea of getting a good return for Ross, then so be it.

remdog
08-07-2007, 02:59 PM
All of those who supported keeping LaRue and dumping Ross have been surprisingly quiet since April.

We're quiet because the idea of keeping LaRue and dumping Ross was a solid one and there's no need to rub anyone's face in it. For the approximately $3M we are paying LaRue it would be nice if he were at least playing for us, thus allowing the Reds to trade Ross when his value was highest. :)

Rem

Joseph
08-07-2007, 03:08 PM
I like Jason LaRue.

I don't like David Ross.

Still, it's like comparing a clod of dirt to a lump of dirt. Neither one has much substance or value.

bucksfan2
08-07-2007, 03:12 PM
Jason LaRue is the worst player in MLB today. The contract he was given was ill advised and Wayne getting rid of him for anything has been a bonus. While Ross is never going to have a high average I think he is valuable and his defense is better than LaRue. Ross is also quite a bit younger and catchers hit the wall fast.

RANDY IN INDY
08-07-2007, 03:21 PM
Nothing about Jason Larue's game that I would want back in Cincinnati.

Ltlabner
08-07-2007, 06:49 PM
At the plate, both certinally have been turnips...


# NAME YEAR PA EqA HR RBI RAR RAP SLG VORP
38. David Ross 2007 288 .223 15 33 -2 -6.8 .404 -1.9
46. Jason Larue 2007 144 .187 4 11 -5.6 -7.9 .307 -6.8

Thats all MLB catchers, ranked by VORP and with at least 100PA. There's 49 catchers total on the list. If Ross can minimize his hacking at everything to get on base a little more like last year, and crush a couple of more mistakes for homers and doubles he'll go from slighly below replacement to usefull (but not great) at the plate. At LaRues age and with what appears to be the onset of the typical catcher's injuries doesn't have much hope to be replacement level, let alone usefull anytime soon.

Behind the plate...


INN E FPCT RF ZR PB SB CS CS%
David Ross 689 4 .993 7.56 .875 5 27 21 .438
Jason Larue 338 3 .987 5.91 .000 2 19 9 .321

Ross has offset his putrid offense somewhat with a pretty healthy CS%. His feilding percentage and range factor is better than LaRues. Not sure how LaRue gets a 0 zone rating, however. Jason has one less error in 1/2 the total innings Ross has worked.

On the one hand, Wayne was stuck with LaRue's contract (thanks DanO) and you knew he had to eat some of it. OTOH, could he have minized that amount or gotten more in return? Not sure. Basically, I think we were screwed with LaRue's contract were going to have to pay the piper.

Ross is younger, generally healthier and while replacement level at best at the plate right now, is solid behind it.

As has been said a few times, he's a problem, but overall he's pretty far down the list of problems.

fearofpopvol1
08-08-2007, 12:36 AM
I'm really pretty satisfied with Ross. The other thing not really mentioned about Ross is that he calls a good game and Arroyo and Harang love him behind the plate (those relationships are important and shouldn't be overlooked). It'd be nice to see his batting average go up to his career norm (I think .230ish) and I think it may with time. However, I'm fine with who he is and what he does.

VR
08-08-2007, 01:06 AM
I'm happy with Ross over LaRue.

That said, LaRue gave his guts to this team for 7 years, I hope he can find his way out of the funk and have some productive years.

TOBTTReds
08-08-2007, 02:38 AM
FYI - Corky Miller got a hit a couple of days ago. He was 2 for his last 63 coming into the game.

As for LaRue, he seems like a real solid guy. Seems like something we the fans don't give much credit to any more. On a day that a not so solid guy broke a great record, I think it is good to reflect on those that are good people. And that is what I always thought of LaRue.

I never met LaRue, but did see him out in public a couple times with his kids, and once with Sean Casey at the Blue Ash fireworks on July 4th. That's one thing I like about some of our Reds is that they seem like good people. I would take winning, but if you are going to lose, I'd rather have the Reds character than the D-Rays.

Ron Madden
08-08-2007, 03:11 AM
Jason LaRue had to work with some of the worst pitchers in the recent history of the Reds. I believe he did a fine job.

David Ross looked real good last year. Will he ever have another season like 2006? I hope so, but I have my doubts.

Ross could have been a valuable trading chip while he was hot.

Ltlabner
08-08-2007, 06:09 AM
Ross could have been a valuable trading chip while he was hot.

Oh sure. A guy with a spotty track record and 3/4 of one good season. The haul he would have brought in return would have turned around the entire franchise.

Why not ride whatever percieved benefit to the team Wayne thought Ross would give and move the older, injured and less effective player? Yea, we are paying KC for LaRue to play. That's what happens when one GM gets stuck with the previous GM's bad contract. He made a move despite the financial ramifications (something many here cry for regularly) and yet he still gets hammered.

There was a choice to be made. Apparently Wayne would rather have a younger, healthier guy comming off a hot year, over the older, injured and ice cold guy. What an idiot!

osuceltic
08-08-2007, 09:07 AM
Oh sure. A guy with a spotty track record and 3/4 of one good season. The haul he would have brought in return would have turned around the entire franchise.

Why not ride whatever percieved benefit to the team Wayne thought Ross would give and move the older, injured and less effective player? Yea, we are paying KC for LaRue to play. That's what happens when one GM gets stuck with the previous GM's bad contract. He made a move despite the financial ramifications (something many here cry for regularly) and yet he still gets hammered.

There was a choice to be made. Apparently Wayne would rather have a younger, healthier guy comming off a hot year, over the older, injured and ice cold guy. What an idiot!

You haven't been paying attention. Wayne is responsible for everything wrong with this team, cost overruns on the GABP, Junior's injury problems, the Bengals' defensive woes, the high price of gas, and increased traffic on I-75.

M2
08-08-2007, 09:32 AM
All of those who supported keeping LaRue and dumping Ross have been surprisingly quiet since April.

I'm still for it. Ross might have fetched a worthwhile return. Both have had incredibly awful seasons. Personally I'd rather have something to show for it talentwise than the pyrrhic victory of having kept the catcher who had the slightly less brutal season.