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reds44
08-07-2007, 08:13 PM
Bats just underway.

Dickerson in LF, Hamilton in CF, Bruce in RF

Prf15
08-07-2007, 08:13 PM
Beat me to it.

reds44
08-07-2007, 08:16 PM
Cueto: 1 IP, 1 H, 0 R, 1 BB, 1 K

Matt700wlw
08-07-2007, 08:16 PM
Bats just underway.

Dickerson in LF, Hamilton in CF, Bruce in RF

I'd rather watch that game.

reds44
08-07-2007, 08:19 PM
I'd rather watch that game.
That's what I'm doing. :D

I have the Bats game on milb.tv and I am gamecasting the Reds.

Dickerson LF
Hamilton CF
Votto 1B
Herr 3B
Bruce RF
Cantu 2B
Hanigan C
Janish SS
Cueto P

How about that for a lineup?

Matt700wlw
08-07-2007, 08:20 PM
That's what I'm doing. :D

I have the Bats game on milb.tv and I am gamecasting the Reds.

Dickerson LF
Hamilton CF
Votto 1B
Herr 3B
Bruce RF
Cantu 2B
Hanigan C
Janish SS
Cueto P

How about that for a lineup?


Is Dickerson a lefty?

Would that be 3 lefties in a row?

The anti-book

reds44
08-07-2007, 08:23 PM
Is Dickerson a lefty?

Would that be 3 lefties in a row?

The anti-book
Yes and yes.

4 of the top 5 in the lineup are lefties.

How dare he.

reds44
08-07-2007, 08:23 PM
Dickerson: 0-1, K
Hamilton: 0-1 (robbed of a basehit by a diving Matos in CF)
Votto: 0-1, K (on 3 pitches)

Prf15
08-07-2007, 08:23 PM
The pitcher for Indy has thrown 12 straight strikes to start the game.

Chi-Town Red
08-07-2007, 08:25 PM
watching the bats on milb.com as well

REDSEER
08-07-2007, 08:30 PM
Cueto's command seems to be off tonight.....currently 34 pitches, 17 for strikes

reds44
08-07-2007, 08:34 PM
Amazing play by Janish to start the inning. Ran a ball up the middle down in CF, did a 360, and fired to first.

Johnny struggling with his control tonight. Walks the 2nd guy on 4 pitches.

Ball 5. Nice slider in for strike one. Fastball inside. Fastball right by him for strike 2. Ball 3 just inside. Hanging slider banged into LF for a single.

Pitching coach to the mound.

Hit and run, fastball fouled back. Strike 1. Heater on the inside corner for strike 2. A little duck snort to Bruce, but Bruce throws the runner out at the plate. Gun.

2nd and 3rd two men out.

Slider fouled back strike 1. And he beans the pitcher.

Bases loaded 2 out.

Slider high ball 1. Line out to Bruce in RF.

Cueto: 2 IP, 3 H, 0 R, 2 BB, 2 K

Eric_Davis
08-07-2007, 08:38 PM
Bruce threw out a runner at home.

captainmorgan07
08-07-2007, 08:39 PM
van benschoten is pitching for the indians he was up with the pirates but really stunk it up. He is one of their pitching prospects who has not panned out and has had arm injuries.

captainmorgan07
08-07-2007, 08:43 PM
back to back singles for cantu and hangian for the bats

reds44
08-07-2007, 08:49 PM
Really easy inning for J.C. Couldn't have been more then 5 pitches.

3 IP, 3 H, 0 R, 2 BB, 1 K

Aronchis
08-07-2007, 08:50 PM
Cueto probably should be dropped backed down in AA to finish the season. Much like with Bailey, the falling k/9 is a good indicator he isn't ready for this level yet.

reds44
08-07-2007, 08:55 PM
Cueto probably should be dropped backed down in AA to finish the season. Much like with Bailey, the falling k/9 is a good indicator he isn't ready for this level yet.
Uh, what?

It's his 3rd start in AAA this season. Coming into tonight he had pitched 11 innings and struck out 10 guys.

It's his 2nd start since being called up up. You can see his K rate is falling after 9 innings?

reds44
08-07-2007, 08:59 PM
Dickerson: 0-2, K
Hamilton: 1-2 (has a hit in all 7 games in AAA this year)
Votto: 0-2, K
Bruce: 0-1
Cantu: 1-1

OnBaseMachine
08-07-2007, 09:00 PM
Votto is in a huge slump. Krivsky must be lovin' it.

Eric_Davis
08-07-2007, 09:00 PM
van benschoten is pitching for the indians he was up with the pirates but really stunk it up. He is one of their pitching prospects who has not panned out and has had arm injuries.

1st Round pick....

His numbers this year in AAA:

IP.......H......R.....ER....HR...BB.....K......AVG against
72.0 63 23 20 3 34 48 .239


His last 10 starts in AAA: 1.99 including 6 innings of no runs in his last start.

Aronchis
08-07-2007, 09:01 PM
Uh, what?

It's his 3rd start in AAA this season. Coming into tonight he had pitched 11 innings and struck out 10 guys.

It's his 2nd start since being called up up. You can see his K rate is falling after 9 innings?

I am going by the last two. We saw what overpromoting did to Bailey. If Cueto starts getting into some trouble, his confidence could collapse quickly.

Blue
08-07-2007, 09:04 PM
Votto is in a huge slump. Krivsky must be lovin' it.

The guy has only had one month this season that would be considered good for a 1B. The rest were less than adequate.

Blue
08-07-2007, 09:05 PM
I am going by the last two. We saw what overpromoting did to Bailey. If Cueto starts getting into some trouble, his confidence could collapse quickly.

If he's that fragile he'll never make it anyway.

He's clearly too good for AA, this is the next level.

Eric_Davis
08-07-2007, 09:06 PM
Anything Louisville gets tonight offensively will be earned.

Eric_Davis
08-07-2007, 09:08 PM
never mind...thought you meant Van Boswhatever...

reds44
08-07-2007, 09:09 PM
Cueto and his falling K rate proceeds to strike out the side.

4 IP, 5 H, 0 R, 2 BB, 4 K

reds44
08-07-2007, 09:10 PM
Votto is in a huge slump. Krivsky must be lovin' it.
That made even less sense then what Aronchis posted.

Krivsky must be lovin' it? You're kidding right?

OnBaseMachine
08-07-2007, 09:11 PM
That made even less sense then what Aronchis posted.

Krivsky must be lovin' it? You're kidding right?

Thanks.

Aronchis
08-07-2007, 09:13 PM
The guy has only had one month this season that would be considered good for a 1B. The rest were less than adequate.

His June was pretty good. You read to much into meaningless statistics such as power. The key one is plate control and he has it. Lately he has been pressing and is angry with the Reds(which he deserves to be).

reds44
08-07-2007, 09:14 PM
His June was pretty good. You read to much into meaningless statistics such as power. The key one is plate control and he has it. Lately he has been pressing and is angry with the Reds(which he deserves to be).
So is he a headcase like Cueto?

Matt700wlw
08-07-2007, 09:14 PM
Uh, what?

It's his 3rd start in AAA this season. Coming into tonight he had pitched 11 innings and struck out 10 guys.

It's his 2nd start since being called up up. You can see his K rate is falling after 9 innings?

He doesn't think anybody should ever advance through the Reds system....they should never be challenged.

Not ever.

reds44
08-07-2007, 09:14 PM
Jay Bruce with a 1 out double.

Stud.

OnBaseMachine
08-07-2007, 09:16 PM
I think Votto will be a .500+ SLG guy in the majors someday, but if not it still wouldn't bother me a bit if he turned out to be a right handed Kevin Youkilis.

Aronchis
08-07-2007, 09:17 PM
So is he a headcase like Cueto?

Possibly, but I understand where Joey is coming from. The poor behavior by the Reds FO channels down to the field.

Johnny's was inherited:)

reds44
08-07-2007, 09:18 PM
I think Votto will be a .500+ SLG guy in the majors someday, but if not it still wouldn't bother me a bit if he turned out to be a right handed Kevin Youkilis.
Votto's a lefty.....but I know what you meant. :)

Doesn't Votto strike out more then Youk though?

Eric_Davis
08-07-2007, 09:21 PM
Man, I wish I was at the Louisville game. It looks great.



Side question here. How many pitches do managers generally allow these guys to go? It's probably different for everybody, but as a rule do AAA pitchers get limited to 90 or less?

OnBaseMachine
08-07-2007, 09:22 PM
Brain fart. I meant if Votto turned out to be a LH Youkilis. With Bruce, Hamilton, possibly Dunn, EdE, and Phillips, the Reds could afford a .475 slugging from Votto as long as he continues to get on base around .400. But I'm on record as thinking he will be a .500+ SLG guy who hits 25 homers and 35-40 doubles.

reds44
08-07-2007, 09:27 PM
All those baserunners finally caught up to Cueto.

2 run homer

Eric_Davis
08-07-2007, 09:29 PM
Cueto and his falling K rate proceeds to strike out the side.

4 IP, 5 H, 0 R, 2 BB, 4 K


How do they do that with drums?

Ba-doom-BA'

:rockband:

dougdirt
08-07-2007, 09:30 PM
98 degree game time temperature..... at 7 pm. Wow.

reds44
08-07-2007, 09:30 PM
Cueto:
5 IP, 7 H, 2 ER, 2 BB, 5 K

Matt700wlw
08-07-2007, 09:31 PM
How do they do that with drums?

Ba-doom-BA'




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dougdirt
08-07-2007, 09:31 PM
GCL Reds are playing a double header today.

They lost the first game 7-6.


Player AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI BB SO AVG
Oliveras CF 4 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 2 .191
Gualdron 3B 4 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 .279
Soto SS 4 0 2 0 1 0 3 0 1 .317
Brown LF 4 1 1 1 0 0 0 0 2 .229
Mesoraco DH 3 1 1 0 0 0 0 1 0 .241
Moreta 2B 4 1 2 0 0 0 1 0 0 .232
Mendez 1B 4 0 1 0 0 0 1 0 0 .218
Wideman C 2 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 .235
Bastardo RF 3 1 0 0 0 0 1 0 0 .179

Player IP H R ER BB SO HR ERA
Otterness 4.2 4 3 3 2 3 0 5.35
Medina 0.1 0 0 0 0 0 0 5.02
Gonzalez, A 1.0 1 0 0 1 1 0 6.75
Beal (L, 0-2) 0.2 3 4 3 2 0 0 4.11
Hotchkiss 0.1 0 0 0 0 0 0 2.57

OnBaseMachine
08-07-2007, 09:32 PM
GCL Reds lost 7-6.

Neftali Soto went 2-for-4 with a single, triple, and 3 RBI. Mesoraco was 1-for-3 with a single and walk.

Eric_Davis
08-07-2007, 09:33 PM
Syzmanski breaks up a shutout in the 6th with a HR...2nd hit of the game for Sarasota, down 7-1.

Eric_Davis
08-07-2007, 09:33 PM
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Now, that's timing.

dougdirt
08-07-2007, 09:34 PM
Sarasota Reds trail 7-1 in the 6th. BJ Szymanski has a solo HR.

reds44
08-07-2007, 09:34 PM
Ceuto's evening is done.

5 IP, 7 H, 2 ER, 2 BB, 5 K

In 16 innings, he has K'd 15 guys. Not real sure how his declining K rate is a concern, but ok.
2.30 ERA in AAA now.

Blue
08-07-2007, 09:35 PM
Votto only deserves the call right now if your criteria is just that he is young. I find it strange, Aronchis, that you think Votto should move on to the next level when he is not dominating it, while guys like Bailey and Cueto, who dominated AA, should be sent back. Your starting major league 1B should have be capable of more than a sub-.850 OPS at AAA.

Eric_Davis
08-07-2007, 09:38 PM
Wonder why VandyBoy is throwing over at Machado? Didn't know he was a threat. Now the coach visits the pitcher. Anyone watching the game to tell us what's going on?

Aronchis
08-07-2007, 09:39 PM
Votto only deserves the call right now if your criteria is just that he is young. I find it strange, Aronchis, that you think Votto should move on to the next level when he is not dominating it, while guys like Bailey and Cueto, who dominated AA, should be sent back. Your starting major league 1B should have be capable of more than a sub-.850 OPS at AAA.

What? I believe Votto has been through the levels, spent more than a year in the upper levels(now 2). He is ready to move on and adapt his game to the pros. Bruce and Cueto have spent very little time in the upper levels. Bailey only had 68I in AA when he was promoted this spring to AAA after doing little to improve himself in the offseason.

You overrate statistics that mean little in the majors. Players develope into power, they develope hits into extra base hits. The plate control and ability to hit to all fields is rare. Allow the man to develope. He is ready, he has been through the wars.

Eric_Davis
08-07-2007, 09:42 PM
Don't anybody wake up Miguel Perez, the catcher for Sarasota.

He just got the 3rd hit of the game for Sarasota, a solo-shot off the starter McCall...Sarasota down 7-2

Eric_Davis
08-07-2007, 09:44 PM
Was Miguel Perez a Dan O'Brien signing?

Blue
08-07-2007, 09:45 PM
His power looked pretty well developed last season. Maybe he has failed to adjust to AAA? Usually you can project home run power based on a high number of doubles. Votto has 16 in almost 400 ABs.

Eric_Davis
08-07-2007, 09:45 PM
What? I believe Votto has been through the levels, spent more than a year in the upper levels(now 2). He is ready to move on and adapt his game to the pros. Bruce and Cueto have spent very little time in the upper levels. Bailey only had 68I in AA when he was promoted this spring to AAA after doing little to improve himself in the offseason.

You overrate statistics that mean little in the majors. Players develope into power, they develope hits into extra base hits. The plate control and ability to hit to all fields is rare. Allow the man to develope. He is ready, he has been through the wars.

I really can't see him not winning the starting job next Spring. It doesn't mean he'll get it, but I see him earning and deserving it.

dougdirt
08-07-2007, 09:47 PM
Was Miguel Perez a Dan O'Brien signing?

Fairly certain he was from the Jimbo era.
*edit* signed in 2000 as a free agent. Jimbo guy.

Aronchis
08-07-2007, 09:49 PM
I really can't see him not winning the starting job next Spring. It doesn't mean he'll get it, but I see him earning and deserving it.

Who knows. His season last year was better. Maybe he just had a better season last year, and will be better next year than this.

reds44
08-07-2007, 09:51 PM
I really can't see him not winning the starting job next Spring. It doesn't mean he'll get it, but I see him earning and deserving it.
Depends who the GM is and if he picks up Hatteberg's option.

OnBaseMachine
08-07-2007, 09:55 PM
Hamilton is 2-for-3 with two singles.

dougdirt
08-07-2007, 09:55 PM
Why did Josh Hamlton leave the game?

Matt700wlw
08-07-2007, 09:56 PM
Why did Josh Hamlton leave the game?

Maybe he's on his way up ;)



As long as it's not injury related, all is well.

reds44
08-07-2007, 09:58 PM
It's hot and he hasn't played in awhile.

Hopefully he didn't get hurt again.

Eric_Davis
08-07-2007, 10:11 PM
Depends who the GM is and if he picks up Hatteberg's option.


If Votto keeps slumping, they will pick up Hatteberg's option.

Eric_Davis
08-07-2007, 10:32 PM
Juan Francisco....Dayton....17 HR's...20 walks and 127 strikeouts....732 OPS...963 OPS w/ RISP

He just homered in the 5th to pull Dayton within 2-1.

dougdirt
08-07-2007, 10:32 PM
Juan Francisco hits a HR (17th) to tie the game at 2 for Dayton

Eric_Davis
08-07-2007, 10:34 PM
Sorry, Doug....guess we were thinking about the same thing.

So, how about Francisco? Seems like some real potential there.

dougdirt
08-07-2007, 10:34 PM
Joey Votto works a 9 pitch walk. nice.

dougdirt
08-07-2007, 10:35 PM
Francisco has lots of power... but he is very streaky at times and his defense.... well its less than desired at third base.

Eric_Davis
08-07-2007, 10:36 PM
Joey Votto works a 9 pitch walk. nice.


That's what we're talking about. Those at-bats get you promoted.

BigRed07
08-07-2007, 10:37 PM
Dragons trail 3-2. Donnie Scott and Justin Turner tossed in the 4th.
Francisco homers,Esquer doubled and Cozart RBI single.

Eric_Davis
08-07-2007, 10:38 PM
Joey Votto works a 9 pitch walk. nice.


...and against Bret Prinz and his 0.43 ERA.

Eric_Davis
08-07-2007, 10:39 PM
Herr with an 8-pitch walk against Prinz...

Bruce up w/ 2 on, 0 outs, down 2, bottom of the 9th

Eric_Davis
08-07-2007, 10:41 PM
Wish I was watching this....

Bruce pops out behind 3rd Base to the SS...one out

Cantu up.

Eric_Davis
08-07-2007, 10:43 PM
Cantu grounds out to 3rd.

It's up to the catcher Hanigan

Eric_Davis
08-07-2007, 10:45 PM
Ryan Hanigan comes through...

Single...Herr scores...Cantu to 3rd....Janish up....2 outs down 2-1.

Eric_Davis
08-07-2007, 10:48 PM
janish pops out to the 2nd baseman...Bats lose 2-1.

Still a good outing by Cueto even if he did give up a lot of runners.

Nice at-bat by Votto in the 9th...Good day by Hamilton.. Bruce with an extra-base hit against a tough pitcher, and Cantu with 2 hits and continues to play defense without errors.

11larkin11
08-07-2007, 10:55 PM
Somebody mark my words, Cantu will be starting for the Reds Opening Day 2008. Not sure where, but he will be.

BigRed07
08-07-2007, 11:15 PM
Dragons trail 5-3 T8. Cozart double,KJ RBI single.

AmarilloRed
08-07-2007, 11:23 PM
Somebody mark my words, Cantu will be starting for the Reds Opening Day 2008. Not sure where, but he will be.

I am not sure about that; I have heard he has a lot of work to do on his defense.

KeyMastur
08-08-2007, 02:33 AM
Cueto pitched alright tonight. Although I wasn't behind the dish, I didn't think he was as sharp as his last outing. He got behind a lot of batters, and had some making up to do. All but 2 of the hits (a double, and the homerun) were weak groundballs that found holes. The homerun came on a 2-1 fastball. Appeared as if he was going inside, but missed his spot out over the plate. Can't do that to the supposedly new future 1st baseman of the Pirates. So, his 5 innings of work he yielded the 2-run homer after walking a batter. Not bad.

dougdirt
08-08-2007, 02:35 AM
Cueto pitched alright tonight. Although I wasn't behind the dish, I didn't think he was as sharp as his last outing. He got behind a lot of batters, and had some making up to do. All but 2 of the hits (a double, and the homerun) were weak groundballs that found holes. The homerun came on a 2-1 fastball. Appeared as if he was going inside, but missed his spot out over the plate. Can't do that to the supposedly new future 1st baseman of the Pirates. So, his 5 innings of work he yielded the 2-run homer after walking a batter. Not bad.

Can't be too upset when on an off night you allow just 2 runs in 5 innings. Sucked that the Bats bats (that was weird to type) couldn't get it done tonight.... that happens though.

NJReds
08-08-2007, 10:49 AM
Cueto pitched alright tonight. Although I wasn't behind the dish, I didn't think he was as sharp as his last outing. He got behind a lot of batters, and had some making up to do. All but 2 of the hits (a double, and the homerun) were weak groundballs that found holes. The homerun came on a 2-1 fastball. Appeared as if he was going inside, but missed his spot out over the plate. Can't do that to the supposedly new future 1st baseman of the Pirates. So, his 5 innings of work he yielded the 2-run homer after walking a batter. Not bad.

Thanks for the insight.

PuffyPig
08-08-2007, 10:54 AM
If Votto keeps slumping, they will pick up Hatteberg's option.

No reason not to pick up his option in any event. They could always trade him, as he's a really good hitter making (comparable) peanuts.

indy_dave00
08-08-2007, 11:18 AM
The homer by Indy 1st baseman Steve Pearce was his 27th this season he had 25 in AA. Was the one real mistake pitch of the night. Cueto was helped by Bruce throwing out Eldred at the plate , for the 5 innings he worked Johnny did what you want a starter to do kept his team in the game.

After 3 AAA starts by the 21 year old he's , 2-1 with a 2.25 era. In 16 innings he's fanned 15 and walked only 2 not a bad showing at all.

KeyMastur
08-08-2007, 11:38 AM
The homer by Indy 1st baseman Steve Pearce was his 27th this season he had 25 in AA.Was the one real mistake pitch of the night. Cueto was helped by Bruce throwing out Eldred at the plate , for the 5 innings he worked Johnny did what you want a starter to do kept his team in the game.

After 3 AAA starts by the 21 year old he's , 2-1 with a 2.25 era. In 16 innings he's fanned 15 and walked only 2 not a bad showing at all.no, he had 14 in AA and 11 in A (in only 75 at-bats)