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RedLegSuperStar
08-08-2007, 01:22 PM
Ok.. So winning any type of division/wild card in 2007 is slightly out of the Reds reach. So since some of us have soured on Wayne Krivsky and his recent moves.. what would you do this off season to bolster this organization into contenders for 2008? What is your opening day roster? Projected pay-roll? Did you hire a new manager? Have fun with it..

RedLegSuperStar
08-08-2007, 02:33 PM
Moves Made:

Pick up Javy Valentin's option. With Ross's defense and Javy's bat they make a good pair and frankly their just isn't much out there to replace either.

Pick up Adam Dunn's option for 2008 at 13 million (10 Teams in which Dunn can be dealt to).. Wouldn't one have to be Texas?

Adam Dunn, Travis Wood, Mike Stanton and Cash (4 Million) to the Rangers
Brandon McCarthy and Hank Blalock to the Reds

Dunn would take over Sammy Sosa's role as DH as well as play some LF. He could even be converted to 1st baseman in spring training. Reds would get a young middle of the rotation guy and a power hitting corner infielder who could platoon with Encarnacion at 3rd and Votto at 1st.

Sign Andruw Jones to a 5 years 110 million.

Reds will have to over pay to get him but we need to replace Dunn's offense. Defense is what we should be going for and he has the Gold Gloves to prove it. He has had a off year but his power numbers are their. Put him in Great American Ball Park and stock up on fireworks. The line-up would look something like:

Brandon Phillips - 2B
Joey Votto - 1B
Ken Griffey Jr. - RF
Andruw Jones - CF
Josh Hamilton - LF
Hank Blalock - 3B
Alex Gonzalez - SS
David Ross - C

The bench would then be stronger with:

Edwin Encarnacion - 3B
Ryan Freel OF/2B/3B
Javy Valentin C/1B
Jorge Cantu 2B/1B
Jeff Keppinger 3B/SS/2B

Sign Randy Wolf to a 3 year 28 million dollar deal w/ team option for 2011 at 12 million. He does have a team option with the Dodgers at $9 million or buy-out at $500,000. That option becomes guaranteed if he reaches 180 innings (currently at 102.2). The deal gives the Reds a solid starting rotation:

Aaron Harang
Bronson Arroyo
Randy Wolf
Brandon McCarthy
Homer Bailey

I move Matt Belisle to the bullpen and use him in long relief. With Belisle the bullpen consist of:

Matt Belisle
Jon Coutlangus
Marcus McBeth
Brad Salmon
Jarrod Burton
Bill Bray
David Weathers

To finish off the offseason I hire Davey Johnson as the new Reds manager. Davey has been out for some time but with the roster I'm putting together.. I think he would take the job. :thumbup:

Estimated pay-roll would be: $91 Million (added $4 Million from the Dunn/Stanton deal)

TOBTTReds
08-08-2007, 02:56 PM
Pick up Adam Dunn's option for 2008 at 13 million (10 Teams in which Dunn can be dealt to).. Wouldn't one have to be Texas?

Adam Dunn, Travis Wood, Mike Stanton and Cash (4 Million) to the Rangers
Brandon McCarthy and Hank Blalock to the Reds


Dunn can't be traded until June 15th if the option is picked up.

Patrick Bateman
08-08-2007, 03:07 PM
Having Edwin regularly sit on the bench would be a gross mismanagement of assets. He either needs to be traded, or played regularly.

If the alternative to EE is Blalock, I will happily stick with the younger, cheaper, and better EE. Plus McCarthy would be a horrendous fit for GABP, and isn't very good to begin with.

I also would not want to give Wolf nearly 10M per season when he's injured half the time.

Also, I don't see any way the Reds are going to up their payroll by 20M. No chance.

BRM
08-08-2007, 03:27 PM
Dunn can't be traded until June 15th if the option is picked up.

I think a lot of people are assuming he would waive that clause for the right deal.

RedLegSuperStar
08-08-2007, 03:28 PM
Dunn can't be traded until June 15th if the option is picked up.

He can be traded to one of the 10 teams of his choosing. After June 15th he can be dealt to whomever.

bucksfan2
08-08-2007, 03:29 PM
Dunn can't be traded until June 15th if the option is picked up.

I thought he had full no trade protection, that doesn't mean he can't be delt.

If I am the GM here is what I do:
Assuming Jr. hits 600
-I talk to Jr, thank him for his services, and trade him to see if he can get that world series ring.
-Guys who are not back on the big leauge club next year
Stanton, Coffey, Freel, Valentine, Conine, Castro. Coffey starts in AAA, and the rest are traded, retired, or released.
-Hatty is returned as a bench player.
-Votto starts the season as the everyday 1b and is given half the year until he is platooned if he struggles.
-Dunn's optoin is picked up and I either look to trade him or sign him to a multi year deal. This depends on what happens in FA
-Hamilton is my starting RF
-I look to try and add either Jones or Hunter in FA. I realize you will have to overpay but so be it, its time to do something for the fans.
-I leave Bruce in AAA for the first month of the season
-My bench consists of Hopper, Dickerson, Keppinger, Hatty,

My rotation is
Harang
Arroyo
Bailey
Livingson
Durmatrait

Pen
Belisle
Bray
Maj
Salmon
Count/Guradado
Weathers
McBeth

Batters consist of
1b Votto, Hatty
2b Phillips, Keppinger
SS Gonzo
3B Encarnacion
LF Dunn
CF Jones/Hunter
RF Hamilton
C Ross, Moeller
OF Hopper, Dickerson

BRM
08-08-2007, 03:32 PM
Here is what MLB4U has for Dunn's 2008 option and subsuquent no-trade clause.



if the option is exercised, he receives a complete a no-trade clause until June 15, 2008 (after that date he can select 19 teams to which he cannot be traded to w/out his consent)

TOBTTReds
08-08-2007, 03:32 PM
He can be traded to one of the 10 teams of his choosing. After June 15th he can be dealt to whomever.

From mlb4u.com


if the option is exercised, he receives a complete a no-trade clause until June 15, 2008 (after that date he can select 19 teams to which he cannot be traded to w/out his consent)

I guess he could wave the clause if he wanted to be dealt.

flyer85
08-08-2007, 03:35 PM
I wouldn't mind a trade with Texas but no way would I want either McCarthy or Blalock.

Red Leader
08-08-2007, 03:41 PM
I would do everything I could to acquire OF Jason Ellison. He's the difference. :D

johngalt
08-08-2007, 03:47 PM
What about a 3-way trade where the main components would be the Reds getting Joe Nathan and a ML-ready prospect, the Angels get Adam Dunn and the Twins receive prospects and/or young players from the Angels?

Something along the lines of:

Reds get:
Joe Nathan
Jeff Mathis

Angels get:
Adam Dunn

Twins get:
Ervin Santana
Erick Aybar
Sean Rodriguez

kheidg-
08-08-2007, 04:01 PM
No way I sign Randy Wolf. Always injured and out this season - you give him almost 10 million a year? Almost Eric Milton-esque.

I don't make many drastic moves. Get rid of Conine and Stanton this season for anything if possible. Let Hatteberg walk, take the draft picks. See if Votto is ready - maybe sign a veteran backup to a minor league deal as insurance. Sign Guardado to an incentive laden contract. If you can get something of good value for Dunn, trade him - otherwise pick up the option and get the draft picks after the year is up. Most importantly, get rid of Castro.

Roster
Rotation: Harang, Arroyo, Bailey, Lizard, Belisle/Livingston/Cueto/Dumatrait
Bullpen: Guardado, Weathers, Coutlangus, Bray, Salmon, McBeth, Coffey/odd man from rotation/minor league free agent

Starters: Valentin, Votto, Phillips, Gonzalez, Encarnacion, Griffey, Hamilton, Dunn
Bench: Freel, Hopper, Ross, Keppinger, Cantu/free agent

If Dunn is traded, put Freel in the outfield until Bruce is ready.

Benihana
08-08-2007, 04:35 PM
No way I sign Randy Wolf. Always injured and out this season - you give him almost 10 million a year? Almost Eric Milton-esque.

I don't make many drastic moves. Get rid of Conine and Stanton this season for anything if possible. Let Hatteberg walk, take the draft picks. See if Votto is ready - maybe sign a veteran backup to a minor league deal as insurance. Sign Guardado to an incentive laden contract. If you can get something of good value for Dunn, trade him - otherwise pick up the option and get the draft picks after the year is up. Most importantly, get rid of Castro.

Roster
Rotation: Harang, Arroyo, Bailey, Lizard, Belisle/Livingston/Cueto/Dumatrait
Bullpen: Guardado, Weathers, Coutlangus, Bray, Salmon, McBeth, Coffey/odd man from rotation/minor league free agent

Starters: Valentin, Votto, Phillips, Gonzalez, Encarnacion, Griffey, Hamilton, Dunn
Bench: Freel, Hopper, Ross, Keppinger, Cantu/free agent

If Dunn is traded, put Freel in the outfield until Bruce is ready.

I like this plan. I would add the Lizard into the competition with the other four for the final two rotation spots. Homer better show me something at AAA in these last two months before I hand him the #3 spot in the rotation.

I would try to sneak Weathers and Hatteberg through the waiver wire this month, and deal them if we can get something of value. I would even try to move Jr. if we could get decent value. I really liked the two deadline deals that Wayne did make, I just wish he would have dealt these guys also (particularly Weathers and the Hat.) I think either Jr. or Dunn should be moved by Opening Day to make room for the legend that is Jay Bruce.

Benihana
08-08-2007, 04:39 PM
What about a 3-way trade where the main components would be the Reds getting Joe Nathan and a ML-ready prospect, the Angels get Adam Dunn and the Twins receive prospects and/or young players from the Angels?

Something along the lines of:

Reds get:
Joe Nathan
Jeff Mathis

Angels get:
Adam Dunn

Twins get:
Ervin Santana
Erick Aybar
Sean Rodriguez

I'm not interested in trading for closers, or any relief pitchers for that matter. I think finding a good reliever is more a matter of throwing what you have to the wall to see if it sticks, in a Krivksy-like manner. Granted, what Wayne has been doing so far has obviously failed, trading for guys is not the answer, either. Just ask Gary Majewski. I would much rather see what we have with Burton, Coutlangous, McBeth, Guevara, Roenicke et. al. than trade one of our most valuable chips for some relief help. I am in favor of moving Dunn given the right deal, but for me that criteria includes starting pitching, not relief.

Scrap Irony
08-09-2007, 01:02 AM
Same old song and dance
Accept Dunn's option and play him at 1B.
Re-sign Valentin for one year at $1.75 million.

Minor Matters
Bring up Jay Bruce to play CF.
Bring up Bill Bray as a set-up man or LOOGY.
Bring up Homer Bailey to fill out the starting rotation as a fourth or fifth starter.
Bring up Johhny Cueto to fill out the starting rotation as a fourth or fifth starter.
Bring up Joey Votto to play as a fourth OF and back-up 1B.
Bring up Chris Dickerson as a defensive caddy in CF and PR.

Trade Winds
Trade Edwin Encarnacion and David Weathers to the Minnesota Twins for Joe Nathan.
Trade Scott Hatteberg to the New York Yankees for Kyle Farnsworth.
Trade Ryan Freel and Mike Stanton to the Boston Red Sox for Eric Hinske.

Feeling Good Is Nothin', But It's Free
Sign free agent Paul Byrd to a three-year contract, worth $21 million. (Backloaded)

Hit Me, Baby, One More Time
Hamilton LF
Keppinger 3B
Junior RF
Dunn 1B
Phillips 2B
Bruce CF
Gonzalez SS
Ross/ Valentin C

Start Me Up
Harang
Arroyo
Byrd
Bailey
Cueto

The Pen Is Mightier Than the Sword
Nathan Closer
Farnsworth Set-up
Bray
Salmon
Belisle
McBeth/ Coutlangus/ Roenicke/ Majewski/ Dumatrait/ Guardado/ et al.

The Bench Is Back
Hinske OF/ 1B/ 3B
Valentin/ Ross C
Votto 1B/ OF
Dickerson CF
Cantu 2B/ 3B

Understand this lineup and rotation may struggle, due to youth at priority positions. If so, take the lumps and look to deal Dunn, Junior, Nathan, and others for prospects.

Money (It's What I Want)
Total Payroll: roughly $80 million

Benihana
08-09-2007, 11:46 AM
Same old song and dance
Accept Dunn's option and play him at 1B.
Re-sign Valentin for one year at $1.75 million.

Minor Matters
Bring up Jay Bruce to play CF.
Bring up Bill Bray as a set-up man or LOOGY.
Bring up Homer Bailey to fill out the starting rotation as a fourth or fifth starter.
Bring up Johhny Cueto to fill out the starting rotation as a fourth or fifth starter.
Bring up Joey Votto to play as a fourth OF and back-up 1B.
Bring up Chris Dickerson as a defensive caddy in CF and PR.

Trade Winds
Trade Edwin Encarnacion and David Weathers to the Minnesota Twins for Joe Nathan.
Trade Scott Hatteberg to the New York Yankees for Kyle Farnsworth.
Trade Ryan Freel and Mike Stanton to the Boston Red Sox for Eric Hinske.

Feeling Good Is Nothin', But It's Free
Sign free agent Paul Byrd to a three-year contract, worth $21 million. (Backloaded)

Hit Me, Baby, One More Time
Hamilton LF
Keppinger 3B
Junior RF
Dunn 1B
Phillips 2B
Bruce CF
Gonzalez SS
Ross/ Valentin C

Start Me Up
Harang
Arroyo
Byrd
Bailey
Cueto

The Pen Is Mightier Than the Sword
Nathan Closer
Farnsworth Set-up
Bray
Salmon
Belisle
McBeth/ Coutlangus/ Roenicke/ Majewski/ Dumatrait/ Guardado/ et al.

The Bench Is Back
Hinske OF/ 1B/ 3B
Valentin/ Ross C
Votto 1B/ OF
Dickerson CF
Cantu 2B/ 3B

Understand this lineup and rotation may struggle, due to youth at priority positions. If so, take the lumps and look to deal Dunn, Junior, Nathan, and others for prospects.

Money (It's What I Want)
Total Payroll: roughly $80 million

I wouldn't trade Freel for Hinske straight up, let alone with Stanton.
I wouldn't pencil Bailey or Cueto into the rotation unless they finish the year very strong at AAA.
With the exception of Hatteberg, I wouldn't trade any key everyday player (Dunn, Encarnacion, etc.) for a reliever, no matter what. (see previous post)

But that's what makes the world go 'round :p:

RedLegSuperStar
08-09-2007, 11:57 AM
I wouldn't trade Freel for Hinske straight up, let alone with Stanton.

You would if it free'd up 5 million in payroll...

IslandRed
08-09-2007, 12:52 PM
Sign Andruw Jones to a 5 years 110 million.

Reds will have to over pay to get him but we need to replace Dunn's offense. Defense is what we should be going for and he has the Gold Gloves to prove it. He has had a off year but his power numbers are their. Put him in Great American Ball Park and stock up on fireworks.

This is about halfway a good idea, IMO. Given that we could use an elite defensive center fielder and a right-handed slugger, Andruw Jones would be a great fit... if Andruw Jones was still that player. But he's not young anymore, his defense isn't what it was and now his bat's dropping off. 5/110 is a superstar's contract and Jones is no longer that kind of player.

Patrick Bateman
08-09-2007, 01:20 PM
I wouldn't trade Freel for Hinske straight up, let alone with Stanton.


I wouldn't neccessarily do the trade either (I might), but Stanton has negative trade value. I don't understand why you would think that throwing Stanton into the trade would be a bad thing.

If we could get a team to simply take him for nothing without anything in return, I'm sure just about everyone here would be extremely pleased.

Tom Servo
08-09-2007, 04:57 PM
I'm too lazy to do a complete writeup, but one move I have in mind is sign Matt Clement to a 1 year, $3 million deal.

Guacarock
08-10-2007, 12:57 AM
Here goes:

WINTER TRADES

Edwin Encarnacion and Scott Hatteberg to the Twinkies for SP Scott Baker and switch-hitting AAA catcher Jose Morales. EE is exactly the kind of bait needed to lure a young starting pitcher off Minnesota and barring us getting another 3B in trade, we would still have Keppinger/Cantu/Freel in reserve to hold down the hot corner for a year or two. Morales would be a great platoon partner for Davis Ross. Morales is speedier, has a much higher OBP and manufactures doubles like they were coming off an assembly line.

Secondly, deal Junior while his stock is at its highest peak in years, although the possible destinations still remain small in number, somewhat limiting his trade value.

One alternative: Jr. to the White Sox for 3B Joe Crede and left-handed SP John Danks. Yes, some of you think I have an odd, Bowden-like manlove for the currently injured Crede. My feeling: We need another right-hand hitter with power to balance all of the lefties in our lineup, and it doesn't hurt that he has range and defensive chops at 3B. Likewise, Danks gives us a more proven southpaw in the rotation than either Livingston or Dumatrait.

Another possibility: Jr. to the Mariners for 1B Ben Broussard and AAA OF Wladimir Balentien.

A wild, but weirdly compelling thought: Would Jr. ever consider going to the Devil Rays, since it's so close to his home in Florida and his family? Could we possibly get Rocco Baldelli back in return since the Rays would have a true glut of talented outfielders remaining (Young, Gomes, Griffey, Crawford, even Upton in a crunch?) I know it sounds totally preposterous, but Griffey would be a great fit at the Tropicana. The young squad could use a mentor/role model. It's a franchise that desperately needs a superstar like Griffey to excite fans and spur attendance. One drawback: Probably no World Series ring coming soon, although you never know with the emerging talent that the Rays have stockpiled, including Kazmir and Shields. But if he was offered player-manager status or made a part owner, might Junior warm to the idea? Stranger things have happened.

Otherwise, explore trading either Freel or Hopper, since they are close to being the same player, and Freel's OF-IF versatility is less essential now that Keppinger appears a lock for at least a bench position in '08. Whether Freel goes, or Hopper goes, depends on what each of them might fetch in return.

Also, test the market to see if a taker can be found for Stanton. I doubt he would fetch us much, but shedding his salary gives us more flex.

FREE AGENT ACQUISITIONS

I'd offer Scott Linebrink $4-6 million or so annually as a closer on a two-year contract. Weathers performed like a trooper this year, but he's aging, and we need more relief for our battered bullpen.

Also, find a veteran lefty/switch-hitter to strengthen the bench and help ease the loss of Hatteberg. Candidates who might conceivably fill this niche: Russell Branyan (OF-1B-3B), Rob Mackowiak (OF-3B-1B) or as mentioned above: Ben Broussard (OF-1B).


AAA PROMOTIONS

1B Joey Votto, OF Jay Bruce, IF Jorge Cantu, SP Homer Bailey, RP Bill Bray

Leaving the 08 roster as:

C Ross
1B Votto
2B Phillips
SS Gonzo
3B Let's pencil in Crede, but understand it could be Keppinger or Cantu if Junior went to the Mariners, Devil Rays or somewhere other than the White Sox
LF Dunn
CF Hamilton
RF Bruce

Bench
Keppinger
Cantu
Morales
Hopper or Freel
Lefty reserve/pinch hitter like Broussard, Branyan, Mackowiak

Starting Pitchers
Aaron Harang
Bronson Arroyo
Scott Baker
John Danks
Homer Bailey or Matt Belisle

(Challenging them for spots or available in the event of injuries: The Lizard, Dumatrait, Cueto, Livingston)

Relievers

Closer: Scott Linebrink
Setup: David Weathers, Bill Bray
Middle Relief: Jared Burton, Jon Coutlangus, One revolving spot available for guys like Salmon, Coffey, etc.
Long Relief: Belisle if he loses out the 5th starter spot to Bailey. If Belisle stays in the rotation because Bailey still needs grooming at AAA, then use The Lizard, Livingston, etc., here)

Total Salary Outlay under this scenario: Somewhere between $55-$60 million, meaning there's lots of wiggle room if an interesting but expensive acquisition became available through trade or free agency. But I wouldn't waste the money on high-risk vets like Guardado/Stanton. Been there, done that. Didn't work. Move on.

Benihana
08-11-2007, 05:42 PM
The White Sox wouldn't consider trading Danks alone for Jr.