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AmarilloRed
08-12-2007, 06:25 PM
according to Reds.com . There is no timetable for his return. I did not see this mentioned anywhere, so I decided to mention it here. I hope he does well there.

Blue
08-12-2007, 06:28 PM
I'd sure like to see him make 5 or 6 more starts for the Reds before the season is over.

Grande Donkey
08-12-2007, 06:47 PM
I'm sure I will look stupid for asking this but what happened to him that made him miss so long? Was it the groin?

Blue
08-12-2007, 06:48 PM
Groin and then he went to Texas to take care of some personal business.

Grande Donkey
08-12-2007, 06:51 PM
Groin and then he went to Texas to take care of some personal business.Thanks :thumbup:

AmarilloRed
08-12-2007, 11:31 PM
I'd sure like to see him make 5 or 6 more starts for the Reds before the season is over.

That is rather ambitious. It would mean he would be called up in September and make every start in September. Right now he is in Sarasota and he has no timetable for his return. He would have to recover really fast to do what you are expecting.

kaldaniels
08-13-2007, 12:34 AM
I'm usually one to give the FO the benefit of the doubt...but I'm angry about this whole mess with Bailey....last I heard he was sent to AAA to simply keep on schedule during the All Star Break.

Then... Goes on the 7-Day DL for an unannounced time for a groin injury, with no real updates for a few weeks...then mysteriously vanishes to TX for awhile, and is now in Sarasota "rehabbing". What is going on???? All of a sudden the second half of 07 is going to be wasted in a year that he should have spent at least building up arm endurance.

Its the lack of info that bothers me, be it the FO or Baileys fault...I don't know who I should be upset with. (Spare the cheap "you should be upset with WK for calling him up in the first place" joke.)

Blue
08-13-2007, 12:59 AM
I'm usually one to give the FO the benefit of the doubt...but I'm angry about this whole mess with Bailey....last I heard he was sent to AAA to simply keep on schedule during the All Star Break.

Then... Goes on the 7-Day DL for an unannounced time for a groin injury, with no real updates for a few weeks...then mysteriously vanishes to TX for awhile, and is now in Sarasota "rehabbing". What is going on???? All of a sudden the second half of 07 is going to be wasted in a year that he should have spent at least building up arm endurance.

Its the lack of info that bothers me, be it the FO or Baileys fault...I don't know who I should be upset with. (Spare the cheap "you should be upset with WK for calling him up in the first place" joke.)


Well, he was on the 7-day disabled list, not that that tells you anything, but when do you ever hear them announce how long someone will be on the DL? Plus, no one said that he is there rehabbing. He's on a throwing program because he hasn't pitched for a couple weeks. And finally, we don't really know what is going to happen for the rest of the season. He might be back in a week or two.

dougdirt
08-13-2007, 01:07 AM
There were updates on Bailey.... you just didn't see them I guess. I heard about him going on the DL, then when he got his exam they said he will be reevaluated in 2 weeks. He went back to Texas for whatever reason (its not really any of our business honestly, sometimes we all have personal business that others do not need to know about) and he is back within a 20 day period of time of going on the DL and getting back into game shape with his arm and his leg.

kaldaniels
08-13-2007, 01:22 AM
There were updates on Bailey.... you just didn't see them I guess. I heard about him going on the DL, then when he got his exam they said he will be reevaluated in 2 weeks. He went back to Texas for whatever reason (its not really any of our business honestly, sometimes we all have personal business that others do not need to know about) and he is back within a 20 day period of time of going on the DL and getting back into game shape with his arm and his leg.

Fair enough...it really hasn't been that long since his injury, I guess it just seems that way. I guess its just that I truly expected him to be back up from AAA as soon as allowable, but that never happened, due to alot of reasons I suppose. And as someone said, there were updates on the injury, but they just seemed alittle vague to me...I guess I should learn not to expect too much in terms of that though. Since his demotion however, the word I would use to describe the handling of and events surrounding Homer is simply "weird".

And granted...it's been 20 days since the DL. But its been almost 40 (I'd guess) since his demotion "which was for the purpose of him not missing a start". Like I said, to me, its just been strange.

dougdirt
08-13-2007, 11:34 AM
Well he had to miss a start becuase there were only 9 days until his next start and he had to be down for at least 10 days. He then told someone about his groin and they decided to put him on the DL and let it heal. I don't think anything about it was weird other than sending him down.

Grande Donkey
08-13-2007, 11:58 AM
Since his groin was hurt, why didnt the reds just let him have the extra rest over the All-Star break instead of sending him down?

HumnHilghtFreel
08-13-2007, 10:22 PM
Since his groin was hurt, why didnt the reds just let him have the extra rest over the All-Star break instead of sending him down?

Just guessing on this, but probably so he wouldn't be collecting major league salary.

kaldaniels
08-20-2007, 10:19 AM
I may be clueless and have missed it...but has there been any news about Bailey and his rehab in Florida in the past week???

Heath
08-20-2007, 10:29 AM
I didn't see anything - maybe bumping it will help doug or doc. scott.

I'm wondering if he's going to get shut down for the rest of the year.

JLB5
08-20-2007, 10:44 AM
Since his groin was hurt, why didnt the reds just let him have the extra rest over the All-Star break instead of sending him down?

He did make a start or two after they sent him down. It was then he said that the groin was still botherhing him and that he was "starting to feel it in my shoulder" so they decided to shut him down at that point. My guess is that Homer didn't think the groin issue was bad and that he could pitch through it. I think the Reds assumed he would be back ASAP from AAA, but the groin issue fouled it up. Anyways, worked out best for the Reds because now there is no concern of him being a "Super 2" and hopefully he'll get a little more work on his control before coming back up.

AmarilloRed
08-23-2007, 02:03 PM
HOMER UPDATE: Homer Bailey will start Friday for the Florida State League Reds.

It will be Bailey's first start since July 17 when he went on Louisville's disabled list with a strained groin.

General manager Wayne Krivsky wouldn't predict if Bailey will pitch for the Reds again this season.

I thought this was interesting. I believe Wayne mentioned it yesterday, but I am not sure how many people caught it.

redsmetz
08-23-2007, 04:38 PM
HOMER UPDATE: Homer Bailey will start Friday for the Florida State League Reds.

It will be Bailey's first start since July 17 when he went on Louisville's disabled list with a strained groin.

General manager Wayne Krivsky wouldn't predict if Bailey will pitch for the Reds again this season.

I thought this was interesting. I believe Wayne mentioned it yesterday, but I am not sure how many people caught it.

I'm not going to lose any sleep if they shut him down at the close of the minor league season. Let him get ready for next year.

reds44
08-23-2007, 08:37 PM
I'm not going to lose any sleep if they shut him down at the close of the minor league season. Let him get ready for next year.
I wouldn't be surprised to see him come out of the bullpen for the Reds in September.

FIRELEFT
08-24-2007, 11:46 AM
HOMER UPDATE: Homer Bailey will start Friday for the Florida State League Reds.

It will be Bailey's first start since July 17 when he went on Louisville's disabled list with a strained groin.

General manager Wayne Krivsky wouldn't predict if Bailey will pitch for the Reds again this season.

I thought this was interesting. I believe Wayne mentioned it yesterday, but I am not sure how many people caught it.

Looked on the Sarasota web sit and it had Probables :TBD
Does anyone know for sure if he is pitching tonight?

dougdirt
08-24-2007, 11:54 AM
That is what Wayne Krivsky said on the radio on Tuesday and I doubt there was much of a set back in the time being. I wonder if it has to do with the fact that Bailey still hasn't been placed on the roster?

Jefferson24
08-24-2007, 12:16 PM
I'm not going to lose any sleep if they shut him down at the close of the minor league season. Let him get ready for next year.

If he's healthy he should keep pitching. He only has 95 innings this year. Last year he had 135. Get him as much work as you can, he'll be better off for it next year (provided you keep the arm healthy).

kaldaniels
08-24-2007, 11:05 PM
I've said it before....I'm so disappointed with the way this Bailey situation has played out this year...injury,personal situation,promotion,demotion...I was hoping he'd be seasoned enough this year so he could go out and have a solid '08. (Much like Hamels is having this year).

Sadly, I'm afraid his breakout year is now penciled in for '09. I just don't see Bailey going April-Sept as a regular in the rotation for the Reds next year.

No one person's fault...but I'm still disappointed.

mbgrayson
08-24-2007, 11:22 PM
Tonight's Sarasota game was rained out. Homer Bailey was listed in the pregame box score as the Reds pitcher there. (see THIS LINK (http://www.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?t=g_box&gid=2007_08_24_ftmafa_sarafa_1&did=t535&sid=t535)).

I suppose he may start Saturday in Sarasota.

Aronchis
08-24-2007, 11:30 PM
I've said it before....I'm so disappointed with the way this Bailey situation has played out this year...injury,personal situation,promotion,demotion...I was hoping he'd be seasoned enough this year so he could go out and have a solid '08. (Much like Hamels is having this year).

Sadly, I'm afraid his breakout year is now penciled in for '09. I just don't see Bailey going April-Sept as a regular in the rotation for the Reds next year.

No one person's fault...but I'm still disappointed.

Remember, Bailey's 2006 season was a bit overrated. He ran into quite a bit of good luck which ran expectations high. But Hughes had clearly the better year between the two.

This year he ran into what seems personal issues, bizzare groin strains and rushed promotions(his numbers in AAA had fallen off farther than his ERA said, 7.9k/9 before his promotion is a good example). He didn't look good coming out of spring training either. He was argueably more impressive the year before in spring training. Either:
1.Something was bothering him emotionally or physically.
2.He simply made little effort to improve. I don't really believe that.

So what is it?
a.Physically out of shape. With him hanging around 91-94mph to much and not jacking it up to 95-97 as much this year along with the horrid command, he isn't in good physical condition.
b.Fraying labrum. This is a possibilty. While a MRI wouldn't show structural damage, a fraying labrum would weaken the arm(stuff) and damage control. The condition if stalls, isn't career threatening or stuff grabbing but definitely worrying.
c.Injured groin. This has been the "excuse" of Bailey's problems this year. Has it been dull since winter?
d.Emotionally injured. This could jive with a, but if Bailey's head hasn't been in it, that is a possible answer. Maybe taking a/d together and causing c to occur over the season.

Whatever it is, Bailey has been sub-par with expectations of development since spring training opened. Something is/has gone on.

mbgrayson
08-25-2007, 08:37 PM
After three innings in Sarasota, Bailey has given up 4 runs, 6 hits, 2 walks, 4 Ks, and 1 HR. Not exactly overwelming.....

kaldaniels
08-25-2007, 09:17 PM
I'm just suprised there has been no real concern over his visit home to TX for personal reasons...I could care less what it is...but if is affecting or will affect his performance I'd at least like the organization or Homer to throw us a bone. He has gotten a pass on that one...but I'm still suprised not many on here are concerned about it...this place would be up in arms if Dunn went home to TX for unknown reasons in mid-year.

dougdirt
08-25-2007, 09:20 PM
I'm just suprised there has been no real concern over his visit home to TX for personal reasons...I could care less what it is...but if is affecting or will affect his performance I'd at least like the organization or Homer to throw us a bone. He has gotten a pass on that one...but I'm still suprised not many on here are concerned about it...this place would be up in arms if Dunn went home to TX for unknown reasons in mid-year.

Not if Dunn were on the DL when he did it like Homer was.

Blitz Dorsey
08-25-2007, 10:26 PM
First of all, there's nothing wrong with Homer going home for a few days when on the DL. Get over yourself. Alex Gonzalez has spent more time on the berevement list this year than in the Reds' starting lineup. I know it's because of his son, but unless you know the reason why Homer needed a day or two to go home, it's dumb (IMO) to bring it up.

Second of all, I am very concerned about the way Homer pitched tonight. Was hoping to see him come back and dominate some A ball hitters. Nope. Would be great if Homer could finish the season strong on the Reds roster but it's not looking good.

dougdirt
08-25-2007, 10:28 PM
Sarasota is not low A.

Mutaman
08-26-2007, 05:26 AM
He went back to Texas for whatever reason (its not really any of our business honestly, sometimes we all have personal business that others do not need to know about) .

Did you hear the news- Dunn will not be with the team the next two weeks, he has some personal business to take care of. Pete told him to take off, said others don't need to know about it. Very similiar to my own situation- i told my clients i'd be gone for a few weeks on personal business. They said fine - they didn't need to know about it.

This 2007 Homer Bailey saga has been a most botched up piece of business. Morover this is not some college football team. You'd think the press would find out whats going on with this guy and inform us fans.

dougdirt
08-26-2007, 11:09 AM
Did you hear the news- Dunn will not be with the team the next two weeks, he has some personal business to take care of. Pete told him to take off, said others don't need to know about it. Very similiar to my own situation- i told my clients i'd be gone for a few weeks on personal business. They said fine - they didn't need to know about it.

This 2007 Homer Bailey saga has been a most botched up piece of business. Morover this is not some college football team. You'd think the press would find out whats going on with this guy and inform us fans.

Except that didnt happen. You are making a comparison that doesn't make sense. That would be like a mechanic with two broken hands in a cast not coming to work for a few days to attend to personal business when its quite obvious that he can't work anyways.

Additionally, its called 'personal reasons' for that exact point. Its personal. It is none of our business and he was gone for 3 days when he couldn't play. What is the big deal, seriously?

Mutaman
08-26-2007, 01:12 PM
Except that didnt happen. You are making a comparison that doesn't make sense. That would be like a mechanic with two broken hands in a cast not coming to work for a few days to attend to personal business when its quite obvious that he can't work anyways.

Additionally, its called 'personal reasons' for that exact point. Its personal. It is none of our business and he was gone for 3 days when he couldn't play. What is the big deal, seriously?

It was never made clear to me that Homer "couldn't work anyway". The brightest prospect in our organization is mysteriously sent back down to the minors without an adequate explaination. Then after a bad outing he is put on the DL with a groin injury which is never adequately detailed. Then when he is supposedly ready to begin rehab, he is allowed to take time off for "personal reasons." I never got the impression that he was so injured that he couldn't even rehab and therefore could take time off, which is what you are trying to convey.

Finally he makes his first rehab start and he is shelled. Throughout this whole process there is little information provided as to his status, the extent of his injury, and his rehab progress. I'm a fan, and when the brighest prospect in my organization suddenly disappears without an adequate explaination, thats a big deal.

dougdirt
08-26-2007, 01:33 PM
It was never made clear to me that Homer "couldn't work anyway". The brightest prospect in our organization is mysteriously sent back down to the minors without an adequate explaination. Then after a bad outing he is put on the DL with a groin injury which is never adequately detailed. Then when he is supposedly ready to begin rehab, he is allowed to take time off for "personal reasons." I never got the impression that he was so injured that he couldn't even rehab and therefore could take time off, which is what you are trying to convey.

Finally he makes his first rehab start and he is shelled. Throughout this whole process there is little information provided as to his status, the extent of his injury, and his rehab progress. I'm a fan, and when the brighest prospect in my organization suddenly disappears without an adequate explaination, thats a big deal.

Maybe you just dont pay attention then. He was sent back to the minors to keep him on a regular pitching schedule rather than give him a 9 day layoff. He then told the Reds his groin was not right and he had been pitching through it but he had started to feel it in his arm, so they put him on the DL. He was not ready to begin rehab when he went home. He was sent to the DL and it was said to be 're-evaluated in 10 day'. He then went home on roughly day 6 and was back in time to be re-evaluated.

Mutaman
08-26-2007, 03:24 PM
Maybe you just dont pay attention then.

I try my best. :) I did start a thread back on 8/8/07 asking what Homer's status was, and nobody else seemed to know either.

fearofpopvol1
08-26-2007, 06:09 PM
I'd like to see them just shut him down for the year to be honest.

kaldaniels
08-26-2007, 09:54 PM
Dougdirt...I've brought this up twice about Homer's return to TX...its not like he was shut down on the DL and went to visit TX....

http://fantasyfootball.usatoday.com/content/player.asp?sport=MLB&ID=242

"Homer Bailey (groin) was throwing and making progress from his injury, but he returned to Texas for personal reasons."

If that doesn't make you crook an eyebrow...fine. I understand people...stuff is personal...I know. But...the way that sentence reads is strange...assuming it is accurate. But, my take on it (I see no other) is Homer was rehabbing his injury, but shut it down to return home. Fine. He has privacy. Fine. But...as I said in my post...Dunn doesn't get that free pass. Maybe the sentence just reads funny...I don't know.

Remember when Hamilton was on the DL and he took some AB's off Harang in Dayton...what if that was canceled that due to personal reasons...(or any regular roster member...cause of course this place would be up in arms if Josh took personal time off)...wouldn't there be some concern in that something more important than rehabbing an injury was going on in a players life.

Which of course, things happen in life more important than baseball...i.e. Harang's grandfather's passing. Don't think I don't realize that. However, 99% of the time fans are at least clued into what is going on...Bailey is back in Sarasota rehabbing so I assume this is moot anyway...my last post was really just thinking aloud that he did get a pass on this one.

As a Cleveland Browns fan...I remember the ordeal last year with Ryan Tucker...the guy missed a ton of games, even left mid-game due to undisclosed problems (turned out to be mental illness)...but at the time everyone was kept in the dark, and no one knew when if ever he would be back on the field. I 100% don't think that is going on...but when I read that blurb about Homer...I just couldn't help but wonder what was going on, and I was suprised no one else was with me...I'm just strange I guess.

Chip R
08-26-2007, 10:18 PM
HOMER UPDATE: Homer Bailey will start Friday for the Florida State League Reds.

It will be Bailey's first start since July 17 when he went on Louisville's disabled list with a strained groin.

General manager Wayne Krivsky wouldn't predict if Bailey will pitch for the Reds again this season.

I thought this was interesting. I believe Wayne mentioned it yesterday, but I am not sure how many people caught it.


Wayne is usually pretty tight lipped about these sort of things but I don't think he feels the pressure to bring Homer up again like he did before. Wayne may deny it but I think he was under orders to bring him up since Narron said that every time he asked Wayne about Homer, he'd say no. Now Narron may be a very good salesman or Wayne just got tired of Narron bugging him about it but I doubt it. Now that Homer has had his debut and a few starts and people don't think he's all that any more, the pressure is off. Starting Homer now isn't going to bring any more people to the park than a typical Aaron Harang start.

AmarilloRed
08-30-2007, 03:30 PM
Homer will be getting his second start tonight in a double-header at Sarasota tonight. Let's hope he does better tonight.

Redman15
08-30-2007, 03:41 PM
If Homer has a good performance tonight(I think he will), is he going to stick around and pitch during the play-offs for Sarasota?

mth123
09-10-2007, 03:46 AM
Now that the season is over, anyone know what is going on with the pitching program?

Given Dumatrait's demise yesterday, is it possible Homer re-appears in Cincy's rotation for the last 2 weeks (I hope not at this point)?

Degenerate39
09-10-2007, 06:11 AM
Now that the season is over, anyone know what is going on with the pitching program?

Given Dumatrait's demise yesterday, is it possible Homer re-appears in Cincy's rotation for the last 2 weeks (I hope not at this point)?

I wouldn't mind seeing him come in from the bullpen a few times.

AmarilloRed
09-10-2007, 01:24 PM
I read somewhere he will be in Sarasota for the rest of the year, but I have lost the link to that article. Krivsky said it was unlikely we would see him in September.

AmarilloRed
09-15-2007, 01:27 AM
MILWAUKEE -- For those who have asked about the whereabouts of Homer Bailey, he hasn't disappeared -- nor is he in the witness relocation program.

The Reds' top pitching prospect is in Sarasota, Fla., throwing and working out. Bailey, 21, threw a simulated game on Monday and the right-hander was scheduled to throw another 75-85 pitches in simulated action on Saturday.

After he spent July 19-Aug. 23 on Triple-A Louisville's disabled list with a strained right groin, Bailey made two starts for Class A Sarasota and went 0-1 with a 10.13 ERA. When the Minor League season ended, Bailey was declared ineligible to pitch in the Florida State League playoffs and had no place else to start.

Since then, Bailey has been working with Sarasota pitching coach Tom Brown and pitching coordinator Mack Jenkins.

Couldn't Bailey get those innings in the Majors? The Reds have a couple of open spots in their rotation over the season's final two weeks. General manager Wayne Krivsky was noncommittal.

"Because he needs to work with Tom Brown in Sarasota," Krivsky responded. "We'll see what happens."

Bailey was 6-3 with a 3.07 ERA in 12 starts this season for Louisville. He made his long anticipated big league debut on June 8 and had mixed results by going 2-2 with a 6.99 ERA and 21 walks over 28 1/3 innings. He was sent back to Louisville by the All-Star break.

"We just want to have him throwing," Krivsky said of Bailey's current program. "He's working on things to make him better -- whether it's with different pitches, his delivery, mechanics. Anything related to throwing a baseball. We want to keep him active and try to help him get better."

I hope all this work in Florida helps him get ready for next year, and he has a good enough spring training to join the club.

kaldaniels
03-04-2008, 09:17 PM
I'm usually one to give the FO the benefit of the doubt...but I'm angry about this whole mess with Bailey....last I heard he was sent to AAA to simply keep on schedule during the All Star Break.

Then... Goes on the 7-Day DL for an unannounced time for a groin injury, with no real updates for a few weeks...then mysteriously vanishes to TX for awhile, and is now in Sarasota "rehabbing". What is going on???? All of a sudden the second half of 07 is going to be wasted in a year that he should have spent at least building up arm endurance.

Its the lack of info that bothers me, be it the FO or Baileys fault...I don't know who I should be upset with. (Spare the cheap "you should be upset with WK for calling him up in the first place" joke.)

I apologize ahead of time for running an end-around on the forum...but being that I can't converse with the big boys in the ORG...I still don't get the whole "personal" trip to TX Homer went on last year. It is well documented that it is dougdirts opinion that it is none of my/our business...but now the big debate in the ORG is whether Homer could be a head case.....hmmm

Anyone who is fine with the way Homer's injury transpired/was played out last year is definitely a glass half full type of person...unlike myself I suppose.