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Patrick Bateman
08-13-2007, 05:51 PM
Congrats to our very own Ryan Jorgenson who is expected to be called up because of David Ross' injury.

:beerme:

Superdude
08-13-2007, 05:52 PM
Ry-Man!

RedsManRick
08-13-2007, 06:03 PM
Since he'll be here in Chicago, maybe I should ask for some tickets. Of course, I know Arroyo can show him around town as he did with Ross and EE this spring... I imagine Jorgenson and Arroyo hang out at the same sorts of places.

redsmetz
08-13-2007, 06:16 PM
Is this a first for RZ? Our very own Reds player.

Homer Bailey
08-13-2007, 06:17 PM
I've held off asking this for a while.... what is up with the obsession with Ryan Jorgensen?? I'm somewhat new to the minor league threads so I just have to ask.

Grande Donkey
08-13-2007, 06:23 PM
He posts on here. There was something else but we arent supposed to talk about that anymore.

Grande Donkey
08-13-2007, 06:24 PM
Congrats to Ry-man!

reds44
08-13-2007, 06:25 PM
Congrats Ryan! Tear it up.

Bring us some more of that inside info.

Degenerate39
08-13-2007, 06:39 PM
Edited

TOBTTReds
08-13-2007, 06:40 PM
Wow, I guess I'm just too cynical. Definitely in the minority here. I guess I need to just let it go.

TOBTTReds
08-13-2007, 06:40 PM
I was thinking that before his "re-invention" of his new self.

nate
08-13-2007, 06:42 PM
Congrats!

Degenerate39
08-13-2007, 06:44 PM
Congrats!

This has to be a first for Redszone so congrats from the whole site should be in order.

PEACE

DEGEN


;)

fearofpopvol1
08-13-2007, 06:44 PM
Congrats! Good for him.

Gallen5862
08-13-2007, 06:46 PM
Good luck Ryan.

Degenerate39
08-13-2007, 06:47 PM
Ross to DL; Jorgensen coming up

The Reds will place catcher David Ross on the disabled list as the result of yesterday's collision with Mike Cameron.

The club will promote Ryan Jorgensen from Triple-A Louisville to take Ross' spot. Jorgensen, 27, was hitting .229 with two home runs and 26 RBI in 236 at-bats with the Bats. He played four games in the majors with the Marlins in 2005.

nate
08-13-2007, 06:47 PM
This has to be a first for Redszone so congrats from the whole site should be in order.

PEACE

DEGEN


;)

rgr!

PEACE

camisadelgolf
08-13-2007, 06:49 PM
In another thread, someone asked that his information be kept private, so we should all respect that. I could be wrong, but that might include his identity.

http://www.redszone.com/forums/showthread.php?t=61259

TOBTTReds
08-13-2007, 06:54 PM
I'm back. This time to be nice and cordial, as some thought I wasn't so nice last time.


He should try a bit harder to hold up his end of the bargain too. Sorry I'm grumpy today...I'll get over it.

camisadelgolf
08-13-2007, 06:55 PM
When Jorgensen was called up, I thought, "I'd rather see Miguel Perez--he has more potential," but then I thought about it, and I'm glad it was Jorgensen who got the call. When Ross comes back, the Reds will DFA Jorgensen, and if the Reds lose him, it's no loss because of the quantity of catchers at the minor league levels who are younger and have much higher ceilings than Jorgensen.

TOBTTReds
08-13-2007, 06:58 PM
When Jorgensen was called up, I thought, "I'd rather see Miguel Perez--he has more potential," but then I thought about it, and I'm glad it was Jorgensen who got the call. When Ross comes back, the Reds will DFA Jorgensen, and if the Reds lose him, it's no loss because of the quantity of catchers at the minor league levels who are younger and have much higher ceilings than Jorgensen.

Whats up with Hanigan? I haven't followed him much, but I thought he had a ceiling of some sort, opposed to RJ.

Maybe they didn't want to lose him this year when Ross comes back, which as you mention, might happen to Jorg.

BearcatShane
08-13-2007, 07:03 PM
Yea, I hope RJ enjoys his stay in the bigs for 2 weeks or however long it may last. This will most likely be the last time he plays in the majors.

fearofpopvol1
08-13-2007, 07:07 PM
Wow, some of you guys are harsh.

I realize many of us are critical to the Reds and certain players and I realize that RJ isn't the best player in the Reds farm system, but there is certainly a difference when you know that player is going to read what you're saying. At least in my book.

redsfan30
08-13-2007, 07:19 PM
Kinda neat to have one of our own make it to the big club.

Congrats!

Blue
08-13-2007, 07:22 PM
Wow, some of you guys are harsh.

I realize many of us are critical to the Reds and certain players and I realize that RJ isn't the best player in the Reds farm system, but there is certainly there is a difference when you know that player is going to read what you're saying. At least in my book.

The guy has probably worked his tail off and paid his dues. However, I don't think the criticism is related to his quality as a player. I'd say just about everyone here would be cheering him on under normal circumstances. That stuff we're not allowed to talk about is the source of the criticism.

I hope he finds success in his time with the Reds, but I also hope that he will at some point realize that there is no shame in being a career minor leaguer who, for lack of a better characterization, "played the game the right way".

Prf15
08-13-2007, 07:22 PM
Congrats Ryan!

Why you guys so harsh on him? He is better than any of us here and has played in AAA for the whole year. Give the guys props.

texasdave
08-13-2007, 07:31 PM
Good luck, Ryan. Here's hoping all your hits are game-winners.:beerme:

BearcatShane
08-13-2007, 07:38 PM
Wow, some of you guys are harsh.

I realize many of us are critical to the Reds and certain players and I realize that RJ isn't the best player in the Reds farm system, but there is certainly a difference when you know that player is going to read what you're saying. At least in my book.



I think some people are being so harsh because they know he's going to read what the write.

Bobcat J
08-13-2007, 07:47 PM
He has been cordial since he showed up the 2nd time. He did take some shots at people who were antagonizing him, but none of us would be expected to quietly take some of the stuff folks were saying about him.

I am glad to have him on the board. His insight into how/why pitchers have performed in a certain way along with the inside info he has posted adds a great deal to the value of the board.

Congrats. It is good to have a redszone member on the Reds. Maybe the first hit will come with Reds.

camisadelgolf
08-13-2007, 08:22 PM
I'm not going to tone down what I would normally say just because of who might read it. It's nothing personal; it's just my style.

Anyway, I don't know too much about Ryan Hanigan. He walks more than he strikes out (which is very little), but I think I've heard is defense is where he's lacking. Seeing as how the Reds' backup is Valentin, if that's true about Hanigan, it sounds like he's not the guy you'd want to call up to replace Ross.

TOBTTReds
08-13-2007, 08:45 PM
Anyway, I don't know too much about Ryan Hanigan. He walks more than he strikes out (which is very little), but I think I've heard is defense is where he's lacking. Seeing as how the Reds' backup is Valentin, if that's true about Hanigan, it sounds like he's not the guy you'd want to call up to replace Ross.

Good call. I hear RJ is a defensive specialist. Seriously.

LoganBuck
08-13-2007, 09:47 PM
I see him finishing the season in Cincinnati. Why not? By the time Ross is eligible to come off the DL, it will almost be Sept 1. They usually carry three catchers in September, once the rosters expand, so I see Ryan picking up some nice service time. Good for him. He is living the Crash Davis dream.

REDblooded
08-13-2007, 10:02 PM
I'm not going to tone down what I would normally say just because of who might read it. It's nothing personal; it's just my style.

Anyway, I don't know too much about Ryan Hanigan. He walks more than he strikes out (which is very little), but I think I've heard is defense is where he's lacking. Seeing as how the Reds' backup is Valentin, if that's true about Hanigan, it sounds like he's not the guy you'd want to call up to replace Ross.

My guess is your style would change a bit if you were using your mouth to say those words instead of your fingers................

TOBTTReds
08-13-2007, 10:04 PM
My guess is your style would change a bit if you were using your mouth to say those words instead of your fingers................

The art of the message board...you don't have to be fake. Spectacular.

HumnHilghtFreel
08-13-2007, 10:13 PM
Just now saw this. Best of luck to you, Ryan. Make us proud :)

redsmetz
08-13-2007, 10:30 PM
I see him finishing the season in Cincinnati. Why not? By the time Ross is eligible to come off the DL, it will almost be Sept 1. They usually carry three catchers in September, once the rosters expand, so I see Ryan picking up some nice service time. Good for him. He is living the Crash Davis dream.

Well except for that small matter of him only having 42 career dingers - about 200 fewer than Crash.

camisadelgolf
08-14-2007, 12:38 AM
My guess is your style would change a bit if you were using your mouth to say those words instead of your fingers................

Your guess would be 100% incorrect. I'm a lot more censored here than I am face-to-face. I can tell you that in person, too, if you'd like.

Muggerd
08-14-2007, 12:39 AM
I was banned for a week for less said in this thread :laugh:

Cedric
08-14-2007, 01:09 AM
Come on Billy badasses. Take your drama private.

11larkin11
08-14-2007, 01:12 AM
I was banned for a week for less said in this thread

Are you unblogger?:D

Degenerate39
08-14-2007, 01:15 AM
Are you unblogger?:D

:ughmamoru I saw that a few minutes ago

AmarilloRed
08-14-2007, 01:36 AM
Ryan was hitting . 229 in Louisville, Ross was hitting .207. Who knows, maybe Ryan will be an offensive upgrade!;)

Ron Madden
08-14-2007, 03:46 AM
Go Get'em RJ. :thumbup:

Muggerd
08-14-2007, 06:25 AM
Are you unblogger?:D

i have no idea what you mean

icehole3
08-14-2007, 06:33 AM
I think what people are trying to say is show some class, the guy just got called up. If you dont want to show some class, thats your decision and you may take a chance of getting banned, just saying.

DannyB
08-14-2007, 08:26 AM
Ryan was hitting . 229 in Louisville, Ross was hitting .207. Who knows, maybe Ryan will be an offensive upgrade!;)

Good point

StrikeIndicator
08-14-2007, 08:27 AM
At the very least he has a better feel for the guys in the pen and the starters from L'ville having caught them the last two years or less.

They have a big long list on catcher stats on the ORG, asking the question "where is Moehler on this list."
A better question is, "where is Ross on this list."

Once again, I watched him last week against the Padres. As soon as the Padres got a runner on first, he sets up on the outside of the plate (so that he has the angle on the guy going to second, cause you know he is sooooo good throwing out the baserunners 41%)

What happens next? The same thing I have seen over and over and over again this season.
The hitter is sitting on that pitch and the next thing you know the PDres are right back in it with a 2 run dinger.
Was it the pitchers fault, NIMHO

Good luck Ryan, the bar is not set too high for your debut, so go at it and remember,
it is OK to set up inside on batters

REDblooded
08-14-2007, 10:20 AM
I think what people are trying to say is show some class, the guy just got called up. If you dont want to show some class, thats your decision and you may take a chance of getting banned, just saying.


Bingo. What I was saying, without so many words, is when you know a guy may read what you're writing, it's pretty tasteless to sit there and try to rip him. It's one thing when it's not personal, but to say something about a guys career without anything to back it up is completely out of line. The whole part about talking with your fingers instead of your mouth is true. Unless you're looking for a lawsuit, if you were to run into Ryan in public, face to face, I think it goes without saying that you wouldn't be ripping him like you do here. Unless, of course, it's your thing to get dropped by a 6'2" 220 lb professional athlete..............

As far as the statement directed towards me.................I go 6'3" 230, and don't live in Germany.....so that's pretty much idle talk.

camisadelgolf
08-14-2007, 11:08 AM
Bingo. What I was saying, without so many words, is when you know a guy may read what you're writing, it's pretty tasteless to sit there and try to rip him. It's one thing when it's not personal, but to say something about a guys career without anything to back it up is completely out of line. The whole part about talking with your fingers instead of your mouth is true. Unless you're looking for a lawsuit, if you were to run into Ryan in public, face to face, I think it goes without saying that you wouldn't be ripping him like you do here. Unless, of course, it's your thing to get dropped by a 6'2" 220 lb professional athlete..............

As far as the statement directed towards me.................I go 6'3" 230, and don't live in Germany.....so that's pretty much idle talk.

Anything I type on here can be read by anyone. I would pretty much guarantee that you-know-who isn't the only professional athlete who has read some things on this message board. For you to say that it's tasteless is your opinion, but personally, I think it would be tasteless to refrain from talking about someone because of who might hear it. If you don't, then you're just talking behind people's backs.

Anyway, the things I'm saying about you-know-who's performance on the field are nothing personal. I actually have nothing against her/him personally. In fact, I've already said that I like you-know-who over Chad Moeller. Anything negative I have to say about you-know-who's abilities can be backed up by years of data, which I've shared. For example, you-know-who has a career batting average of .219 outside of A-ball. That is very poor. He's considered a "defensive specialist", but so is Miguel Perez, who has a higher ceiling.

I wish you-know-who all the best. If he became an All-Star for any team in the Major Leagues, I'd say, "That's awesome. Good for him," and I'd tell some friends about my interactions with him and have a good laugh about it.

By the way, if you-know-who acted in real life how he did to me here, I'd react the same way even if he were 8'6", 900 lbs. It doesn't matter how big anyone is--I'm still going to be honest about my feelings because that's how I've always done things (even though it sometimes gets me in trouble). I'm in Cincinnati for a couple more weeks, but I'll be going home at the end of the month. My talk wasn't idle at all.

podgejeff_
08-14-2007, 11:46 AM
Congrats Ryan! Go up there, make up proud, prove the naysayers wrong, and challenge Ross for a starting spot!

KoryMac5
08-14-2007, 11:55 AM
Congrats to our very own Ryan Jorgenson who is expected to be called up because of David Ross' injury.

:beerme:

I think the point of the thread was to offer congratulations to a poster for getting the call to Big Club. Anything other than congratulations should be taken elsewhere or better left alone. I for one will raise a glass and hope he does well for the Reds, which is what we all should hope for. :beerme:

BuckeyeRedleg
08-14-2007, 12:15 PM
There has to be some serious karma with the RedsZone. Ryan joins and within a few weeks, Wayne trades his lovechild, Chad Moeller, away and then Ross suffers a freak concussion, giving our boy a ticket to the Show.

Congrat's, Ryan.

Soak it in and don't be a stranger.

Doc. Scott
08-14-2007, 12:25 PM
Anything I type on here can be read by anyone. I would pretty much guarantee that you-know-who isn't the only professional athlete who has read some things on this message board. For you to say that it's tasteless is your opinion, but personally, I think it would be tasteless to refrain from talking about someone because of who might hear it. If you don't, then you're just talking behind people's backs.

Anyway, the things I'm saying about you-know-who's performance on the field are nothing personal. I actually have nothing against her/him personally. In fact, I've already said that I like you-know-who over Chad Moeller. Anything negative I have to say about you-know-who's abilities can be backed up by years of data, which I've shared. For example, you-know-who has a career batting average of .219 outside of A-ball. That is very poor. He's considered a "defensive specialist", but so is Miguel Perez, who has a higher ceiling.

I wish you-know-who all the best. If he became an All-Star for any team in the Major Leagues, I'd say, "That's awesome. Good for him," and I'd tell some friends about my interactions with him and have a good laugh about it.

By the way, if you-know-who acted in real life how he did to me here, I'd react the same way even if he were 8'6", 900 lbs. It doesn't matter how big anyone is--I'm still going to be honest about my feelings because that's how I've always done things (even though it sometimes gets me in trouble). I'm in Cincinnati for a couple more weeks, but I'll be going home at the end of the month. My talk wasn't idle at all.


Fine and good, but realize you're also coming off like a (fill in creative noun here). Is it really necessary to harp like that?

Doc. Scott
08-14-2007, 12:27 PM
(double post)

princeton
08-14-2007, 12:35 PM
I actually have nothing against her/him personally.

sure you do

btw, is it possible that he's a her? That'd be cool. :thumbup:

camisadelgolf
08-14-2007, 12:47 PM
Fine and good, but realize you're also coming off like a (fill in creative noun here). Is it really necessary to harp like that?

I figured it were possible, but I'm not too concerned with it. I think being a (fill in creative noun here) is much worse than acting like one, and I've made an effort to avoid only being the former.

Anyway, to summarize, I feel misinterpreted and misunderstood, and I think people have confused my motivations for what I've said. There was one time I was saying something to you-know-who based on a personal level, and I was asked to stop, so I did. Since then, I've been objective. I wish you-know-who all the best, and I hope he shocks MLB by hitting .250+.

KoryMac5
08-14-2007, 12:55 PM
I figured it were possible, but I'm not too concerned with it. I think being a (fill in creative noun here) is much worse than acting like one, and I've made an effort to avoid only being the former.

Anyway, to summarize, I feel misinterpreted and misunderstood, and I think people have confused my motivations for what I've said. There was one time I was saying something to you-know-who based on a personal level, and I was asked to stop, so I did. Since then, I've been objective. I wish you-know-who all the best, and I hope he shocks MLB by hitting .250+.

You always say that you speak your mind and opinions freely no matter who is listening, I don't think there is anyway to misinterperet some of your comments directed at another poster on a thread to congratulate him for getting the call to the bigs. Even in your above comment quoted by myself you leave yet another veiled shot at this poster. I think being tactful and classy are much better qualities than holding a grudge. Just my opinion.

Degenerate39
08-14-2007, 12:57 PM
It's going to be interesting to hear his scouting report on Harang and company.

camisadelgolf
08-14-2007, 01:34 PM
You always say that you speak your mind and opinions freely no matter who is listening, I don't think there is anyway to misinterperet some of your comments directed at another poster on a thread to congratulate him for getting the call to the bigs. Even in your above comment quoted by myself you leave yet another veiled shot at this poster. I think being tactful and classy are much better qualities than holding a grudge. Just my opinion.

It's not so much what I'm saying that's being misinterpreted--it's my motivation for why I'm saying it. People are being nice to you-know-who because he posts here, but if he didn't post here, the reaction would be almost completely different. He was a jerk to people before, and even though his tone has improved, it is only because his career was put in jeopardy. He's continued to be a jerk to some people here, including me, but I haven't been nice to him either, so I'm not going to hold that against him. When I said the thing about hoping he shocks the world by hitting .250+, that wasn't a shot at you-know-who but more a shot at the people who are defending him. This is obviously a crazy way of putting it, but maybe you'll get a better idea of what I mean: If people are defending Hitler, and I think Hitler is really bad, when I say something bad about Hitler, it's my way of taking a shot at those who are defending him.

Just to iterate, I don't currently have a problem with you-know-who (but I did once take a shot at him as a passive-aggressive retaliation for what he said to RedsZoners). I just have a problem with non-moderators telling me how to post and telling me that I have something against him when I don't.

This is all so silly. Some of it's my fault, and I'm sorry for that, but can we just get back to talking about baseball? I really do hope he finds what he's looking for.

redsmetz
08-14-2007, 01:42 PM
Camisadelgolf, why don't you come out and just use his name - Voldemort! There I said it. Also do you think Marge Schott would have thought this player was good at first, but then he wasn't? He made the highways run, right?

Degenerate39
08-14-2007, 01:46 PM
Camisadelgolf, why don't you come out and just use his name - Voldemort!

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

Danny Serafini
08-14-2007, 02:19 PM
The move has now been announced officially, congratulations! Way to ruin our flow of minor league info though, a good forum member would politely decline the callup so he could keep that up. :laugh:

camisadelgolf
08-14-2007, 02:20 PM
The move has now been announced officially, congratulations! Way to ruin our flow of minor league info though, a good forum member would politely decline the callup so he could keep that up. :laugh:

It's this reason alone that me question whether he (Voldemort) is a team player or not.

paulrichjr
08-14-2007, 03:55 PM
I found this article interesting...Especially the first highlighted part.

http://marlins.scout.com/2/242885.html
Florida Marlins Top 50 Prospect Countdown #40

By Mark Doring
Publisher
Posted Mar 15, 2004

Coming out of college, scouts saw something in Ryan Jorgensen despite that fact that he wasnt even the starter. How do scouts feel about him after a few years in the minors? Find out in the latest edition of the Marlins Insiders Top 50 Prospect Countdown

Florida Marlins Prospect Spotlight Countdown #40

Ryan Jorgensen
Vital Stats:
Position: C
DOB: May 4, 1979
Birth Place: Kingwood, TX. Height: 6'2 Weight: 200 lbs.
Bats: Right
Throws: Right
Acquired: Traded to the Marlins from the Chicago Cubs in 2002 as part of the Matt Clement/Alfonseca/Willis trade

Overview: Ryan Jorgensen was originally a 7th round draft choice of the Chicago Cubs in the 2000 amateur draft out of college baseball powerhouse Louisiana State University. During his time at LSU, Ryan was a member of two National Championship teams. Interestingly, Jorgensen was not the starting catcher for the Tigers. Jorgensen was the backup catcher and occasional DH hitter. Unfortunately for Ryan, the Tigers had 1st Team All-American and Player of the Year finalist, Brad Cresse (now in the Diamondbacks organization). Despite his backup status, Ryan hit .302 with 4 homeruns and 23 RBI, and his defensive prowess had many scouts believing that Ryan could become a major league quality catcher.

Batting: Jorgensen has a good knowledge of the strike zone and fair discipline at the plate. He also has shown a bit of gap power, however, it has become apparent that his hitting is what is going to hold him back in his quest to become a starting catcher in the majors. Ryan has a tough time with off-speed and breaking pitches and doesnít turn on fastballs like a major league quality hitter should. Basically, he just doesnít make consistent enough contact.


Base running and Speed: Jorgensen has below average speed and is not a threat on the base paths

Defense: Ryan Jorgensen just might be the best defensive catcher in the minor leagues. He has a strong arm with laser like accuracy. His technique behind the plate is first rate and he has a natural ability to handle pitchers.
Projection: Despite his excellent defensive ability, it is now obvious that Jorgensen will never hit well enough to be a starting major league catcher. He can however still become a more than adequate backup catcher if his team understands and accepts his limitations.

Estimated Time of Arrival: Jorgensen was signed by the Marlins to join their 40 man roster for spring training in 2004. While it is doubtful that he will make the team this year. There may be an opportunity in perhaps a year or two to assume the backup job as Mike Redmond gets up in age. Ryan will start the 2004 season

wolfboy
08-14-2007, 04:17 PM
I figured it were possible, but I'm not too concerned with it. I think being a (fill in creative noun here) is much worse than acting like one, and I've made an effort to avoid only being the former.

Anyway, to summarize, I feel misinterpreted and misunderstood, and I think people have confused my motivations for what I've said. There was one time I was saying something to you-know-who based on a personal level, and I was asked to stop, so I did. Since then, I've been objective. I wish you-know-who all the best, and I hope he shocks MLB by hitting .250+.

There are some smart posters on this board that have been around for a long time. I don't think anyone has misunderstood your motivations. You've been given an awful lot of slack in this personal dispute you have going. Don't hang yourself with it.

camisadelgolf
08-14-2007, 04:56 PM
There are some smart posters on this board that have been around for a long time. I don't think anyone has misunderstood your motivations. You've been given an awful lot of slack in this personal dispute you have going. Don't hang yourself with it.

Did you read the rest of the thread?

Doc. Scott
08-14-2007, 06:10 PM
Did you read the rest of the thread?

PS: You're still harping. I think everyone understands the situation; it's not complicated.

TexRed
08-14-2007, 06:19 PM
The Marlins/Cubs trade was done so the Cubs could dump Julian Taverez who didn't who wanted to remain a starter and was raising a fuss with Jim Hendry. The Cubs needed a closer and got Alfonseca in the deal along w/ Matt Clement. I'm told from a reliable source that Jose Cueto and Dontrelle Willis were in the original trade package. Supposedly, the Marlins wouldn't do the deal unless Jorgy was included. It could have had something to do with Dan Jenkins and Stan Meeks who came across the state to the Marlins office staff from the Devil Rays. Tampa had drafted Jorgy twice previously as a DFE. Now you know the rest of the story!

camisadelgolf
08-14-2007, 06:39 PM
PS: You're still harping. I think everyone understands the situation; it's not complicated.

If you're pointing out that I'm harping--and I'm not claiming not to be--then I'd say you're being hypocritical.

Anyway, that's very interesting, TexRed. Thank you for pointing that out.

GoReds33
08-14-2007, 07:35 PM
I think that a defensive catcher is exactly what this team needs with Ross going down.

jojo
08-14-2007, 08:14 PM
Yea, I hope RJ enjoys his stay in the bigs for 2 weeks or however long it may last. This will most likely be the last time he plays in the majors.

If it's only two weeks, seems like winning the lotto to me...

TOBTTReds
08-14-2007, 08:37 PM
If it's only two weeks, seems like winning the lotto to me...

Yup. Has to have been the greatest moment of his life. I remember reading about Charles Thomas getting called up for the first time in "Scout's Honor." Sounds pretty amazing.

Bobcat J
08-14-2007, 10:20 PM
Well, this isn't the first time he got the call. He did log 4 games with the Marlins in 2005. I'd assume that was more exciting than getting the 2nd call up. But, he does have a chance to get his first hit, kind of a Moonlight Graham situation. So that's exciting.

Cyclone792
08-14-2007, 10:25 PM
With the Reds not having any off days for nearly two weeks, Jorgenson will definitely get some playing time too. I wouldn't be surprised if his first start is on Thursday in Chicago since it'll be a day game after a night game.

TOBTTReds
08-14-2007, 10:30 PM
Well, this isn't the first time he got the call. He did log 4 games with the Marlins in 2005. I'd assume that was more exciting than getting the 2nd call up. But, he does have a chance to get his first hit, kind of a Moonlight Graham situation. So that's exciting.

Ah, didn't know.

jojo
08-14-2007, 11:04 PM
Anyway to edit the thread title so that his nae could be spelled correctly?

http://www.freesmileys.org/emo/think005.gif (http://www.freesmileys.org)

camisadelgolf
08-14-2007, 11:44 PM
Ryan Jorgensen was mentioned during the game tonight. Apparently he said hello to some ex-teammates or something like that.

NDIrish
08-14-2007, 11:53 PM
What business does Jorgenson have in the Major Leagues? He can't even cut it in AAA.

dougdirt
08-14-2007, 11:57 PM
Well, he is a catcher in AAA with great defense. Catchers don't hit anywhere hardly ever, so what they bring to the plate is usually just icing on the cake. The Reds didn't really have many other options with Ross going down, and Jorgensen is next in line.

camisadelgolf
08-15-2007, 12:20 AM
What business does Jorgenson have in the Major Leagues? He can't even cut it in AAA.

AmarilloRed
08-15-2007, 01:11 AM
Ryan was a emergency call-up. Nothing against him, but if Ross was healthy he would still be in AAA. However, that does not mean he can not take this opportunity to prove he belongs in the majors. David Ross used such an opportunity in 2006 when he outhit LaRue and hit enough to make LaRue expendable. Ryan is already a good defensive catcher by all reports, and it may be that the Reds decline Valentin's option next year. If he shows any ability whatsoever to hit major league pitching, he could have a chance to be the Reds second catcher or even the starter in 2008.

Patrick Bateman
08-15-2007, 03:29 AM
Anyway to edit the thread title so that his nae could be spelled correctly?

http://www.freesmileys.org/emo/think005.gif (http://www.freesmileys.org)

Whoops. Sorry Ryan.

GoReds33
08-15-2007, 04:21 AM
Ryan was a emergency call-up. Nothing against him, but if Ross was healthy he would still be in AAA. However, that does not mean he can not take this opportunity to prove he belongs in the majors. David Ross used such an opportunity in 2006 when he outhit LaRue and hit enough to make LaRue expendable. Ryan is already a good defensive catcher by all reports, and it may be that the Reds decline Valentin's option next year. If he shows any ability whatsoever to hit major league pitching, he could have a chance to be the Reds second catcher or even the starter in 2008.
Honestly, I don't consider Valentin a catcher anymore. He is a pinch hitter. That is, in my opinion, the extent of his expertise. I think he is the reason we need to have 3 catchers. If we had a number 2 catcher who could come in the game and play good defense after he pinch hits then we would only need 2 catchers. I think Jorgensen will be a late inning defensive replacment as well. I like the fact that he plays good defense. The clincher here would be if he calls a good game. I believe that a catcher makes a huge difference with a pitching staff. Especially when you have so many rookies.

camisadelgolf
08-15-2007, 05:25 AM
Valentin is a horrible catcher, but his bat is enough compensation for him to be a solid backup, IMO.

AmarilloRed
08-15-2007, 12:22 PM
In any case, I believe he has a 1.5 million option next year. I suppose the Reds will be watching how Valentin does in this period as to whether they will pick it up.

Red Rover
08-15-2007, 05:01 PM
Ryan gets the start tonight for the Reds.

RedsManRick
08-15-2007, 05:04 PM
Congrats on the first start Ryan!

Degenerate39
08-15-2007, 05:09 PM
Congrats Ryan

GoReds33
08-15-2007, 08:51 PM
I can smell MLB hit number 1. Lets hope he doesn't disapoint.

Degenerate39
08-15-2007, 09:19 PM
I can smell MLB hit number 1. Lets hope he doesn't disapoint.

I can smell MLB homer run number 1

dougdirt
08-15-2007, 09:22 PM
I can smell my dinner cooking. Hopefully I also smell victory tonight if the game ever gets underway

BuckeyeRedleg
08-15-2007, 10:09 PM
Congrats Jorgy! Nice rip, bud.

Degenerate39
08-15-2007, 10:09 PM
I can smell MLB homer run number 1

HOLY CRAP I CALLED IT!

Slyder
08-15-2007, 10:10 PM
ROFL good call.

What a way to make an impression in the majors.

Patrick Bateman
08-15-2007, 10:11 PM
I was the good luck charm.

kxblue
08-15-2007, 10:12 PM
Awesome, congrats!

REDblooded
08-15-2007, 10:13 PM
HOLY CRAP I CALLED IT!


You smelled it, and you called it. I smelled it too, I just didn't recognize the scent, so I didn't know what to call. Funny. I never would've guessed that the scent of Camis eating crow smelled like Jorgensen's first HR........


LOL. Did you see that limp-wristed throw from the Cubs fan who gave Ry-man his ball back?

Matt700wlw
08-15-2007, 10:14 PM
HOLY CRAP I CALLED IT!

:notworthy :notworthy :notworthy

OnBaseMachine
08-15-2007, 10:17 PM
Congrats Ryan!

Grande Donkey
08-15-2007, 10:18 PM
Way to go Ry-man!!!

dougdirt
08-15-2007, 10:43 PM
Do I smell another HR for him? (hey why not.... it worked the first time right?)

Mario-Rijo
08-15-2007, 10:44 PM
I turned it on just in time to catch the replay. Congrats Ryan! :beerme:

Degenerate39
08-15-2007, 10:47 PM
Do I smell another HR for him? (hey why not.... it worked the first time right?)

I smell a triple, followed by a double, followed by a single.

mound_patrol
08-15-2007, 10:52 PM
I smell a triple, followed by a double, followed by a single.

Really putting that nose on the line. I smell a 11-10 reds win with Jorgy hitting in the go-ahead run.

Degenerate39
08-15-2007, 11:06 PM
Well crap I was wrong this time

AmarilloRed
08-16-2007, 01:32 AM
I said he could impress if Jorgensen put a bat together with his defense. He did that at least tonight. If he continues to hit like this, I would expect the manager would let him start at catcher at least until Ross returns from the DL and even longer if he is consistant

Eric_Davis
08-16-2007, 02:12 AM
It probably takes more guts to post on this site with others knowing you are in the REDS' system than to stand in front of a barreling Major League players knowing you're going to get drilled.

Congrats to Jorgensen on his hit tonight and for having the guts to come here and speak his mind.

GoReds33
08-16-2007, 02:22 AM
That was a terrific way to break into the bigs. I hope for many more homeruns. All he needs to do is give descent offense to be a good player right now. His defense can make up for his hitting. Tonight, he didn't need to make up for anything. Great job Ryan.

dougdirt
08-16-2007, 02:26 AM
Just a note to mr Jorgensen.... you destroyed that baseball but it looked like you wanted to touch home plate as fast as you possibly could. You were absolutely flying around the bases. Rookie stuff, not showing up the pitcher.... I get that. It looked like you were sprinting though lol. Great job, hopefully you can stick around for a while with the Reds.

Ron Madden
08-16-2007, 02:32 AM
Welcome to The Show RJ. :welcome:

camisadelgolf
08-16-2007, 03:31 AM
Congratulations indeed. I hope he keeps it up. He actually kind of reminded me of David Ross at the plate.

redsmetz
08-16-2007, 05:36 AM
From the Trib, Lilly looking down in the mouth as RJ rounds the bases.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/media/photo/2007-08/31893276.jpg

jojo
08-16-2007, 07:48 AM
Just a note to mr Jorgensen.... you destroyed that baseball but it looked like you wanted to touch home plate as fast as you possibly could. You were absolutely flying around the bases. Rookie stuff, not showing up the pitcher.... I get that. It looked like you were sprinting though lol. Great job, hopefully you can stick around for a while with the Reds.

I dunno, it kind of looked wind-blown to me......

http://www.freesmileys.org/emo/ad/superman.gif (http://www.freesmileys.org)

TOBTTReds
08-16-2007, 08:38 AM
I thought the silent treatment should have been in order...first ML hit was a HR, that's a given.

redsmetz
08-16-2007, 09:52 AM
I thought the silent treatment should have been in order...first ML hit was a HR, that's a given.

I assume he got the ball since Cubs fans usually throw them back. Did they here?

KittyDuran
08-16-2007, 10:10 AM
I assume he got the ball since Cubs fans usually throw them back. Did they here?Reds website says YES...
http://cincinnati.reds.mlb.com/news/gameday_recap.jsp?ymd=20070815&content_id=2151325&vkey=recap&fext=.jsp&c_id=cin

08/16/2007 3:23 AM ET
Box >
Hamilton's blast wins it for Reds
Outfielder's homer caps off lengthy rain delay, hitters' duel
By Mark Sheldon / MLB.com

CHICAGO -- All Josh Hamilton could do was wait, and wait some more.
The start of Wednesday's Reds-Cubs game was delayed by rain for 91 minutes. When it got started, the game was anything but a pitchers' duel and lingered long into the muggy night. And Hamilton wasn't even in the starting lineup and wasn't called on to pinch hit until the eighth.

"I sat and chewed on seeds and watched the game," Hamilton said. "Of course, there's nowhere to warm up here. I did a couple of quad stretches and a couple of practice swings and went up there and hit the ball."

Yes, he pretty much made it look that simple. Hamilton launched reliever Bob Howry's high and outside 2-2 fastball into the left-center-field bleachers for a pinch-two-run homer that gave Cincinnati an 11-9 win over Chicago.

Hamilton had missed a month with a sprained right wrist and returned on Sunday. He got three hits in his first start on Tuesday, but sat again on Wednesday with lefty Ted Lilly starting for the Cubs.

"We missed him when he was gone," interim manager Pete Mackanin said of Hamilton. "He meant a lot to the team. Getting him back was huge. With two strikes, he had an unbelievable at-bat and did a nice job to put us ahead."

It was tied at 9 with one out when Ryan Jorgensen hit a single to left field against Howry (5-7). Batting next in the pitcher's spot was Hamilton. Down in a 1-2 count, he fouled off two pitches. After a pitch in the dirt, the next Howry offering was up and way outside.

"It probably would have been ball three if I had taken it," said Hamilton, who has 15 homers in his rookie season, including two as a pinch-hitter.

"When you look at his physique, you see the type of ability he possesses," Mackanin said. "He stays inside the ball. He does a lot of things well that are conducive to hitting success. When you stay back and don't swing at a lot of bad pitches and have bat speed, it makes it a lot easier."

With four lead changes and two ties and six home runs hit during the night, this one could have stung the Reds. Phil Dumatrait blew leads of 2-0 and 6-3 while allowing five earned runs in two-plus innings.

"We scored two. They scored three," Hamilton said. "We come back and score and take the lead and they take the lead. And we take the lead again. It was interesting."

Rendered moot was Jorgensen's first Major League hit, a two-run homer into the left-field bleachers off Lilly in a nine-pitch at-bat. Following Wrigley Field tradition, the ball was thrown back onto the field and Jorgensen got his memento.

"I looked down and tried not to look up and start smiling," said Jorgensen, who had two homers this season for Triple-A Louisville. "I kind of joked with my friends back home, because they were all watching the game, I sent some of them text messages that I was going to go yard in my first [at-bat]. So I'm sure they're all pretty pumped and I have a thousand voice mails waiting."

After a 26-pitch first inning, Dumatrait responded by giving up three straight doubles to start the Cubs' second. A two-out double by Jason Kendall gave Chicago a 3-2 lead as Dumatrait's pitch count soared to 57 pitches. An RBI single by Ken Griffey Jr. and a three-run homer to left field by Jeff Conine propped Dumatrait ahead again. The lead didn't last a half-inning. Dumatrait walked his first two batters of the third and was pulled for Victor Santos, who gave up four runs in his 2 2/3 innings.

"Managers hate games like that. Players hate games like that," Mackanin said. "But the guys swung the bats really well."

The Cubs had a 9-6 lead when Adam Dunn started a three-run sixth with a solo homer to right field off reliever Michael Wuertz. Like Hamilton's homer, the pitch was way out of the strike zone.

"Those kinds of games are fun to play in, but they have all the makings for a long night," said Dunn, who has 31 homers this season.

After some bad early pitching, Reds reliever Bill Bray (1-0) took over in the sixth and nicely worked two scoreless innings for the win. Jared Burton followed with a perfect eighth before David Weathers handled the one-hit ninth for his 24th save. The Reds already have two wins in the three-game series for their seventh series win out of 12 under Mackanin.

"When you have games like that, you start late, it's just a fiasco to a certain extent," Mackanin said. "The bottom line is if you win, you're happy. If you lose, you're not. We're happy."

Redsland
08-16-2007, 10:20 AM
Honestly, I don't consider Valentin a catcher anymore. He is a pinch hitter. That is, in my opinion, the extent of his expertise.
If that's the extent of his expertise, then perhaps it's time to put him out to pasture.

Javier Valentin as a pinch hitter, 2007:
6 for 33, 1 2B, 0 3B, 1HR, 2BB, 5K, .182/.229/.303/.532

Javier Valentin as a pinch hitter, 2004-2006
16 for 83, 0 2B, 0 3B, 4HR, 7BB, 19K, .193/.264/.337/.601

BRM
08-16-2007, 10:21 AM
From C. Trent's blog



Jorgensen: "I was just so full of energy, I looked down, I didnít want to look up and smiling and laughing. I sent them text messages telling them I was going yard my first ab. Iím sure I have 1,000 voicemails right now."

"I did. I just didnít want to watch it, I just wanted to put my head down and run. I just wanted to put my head down and run."


Congrats Ryan!

Chi-Town Red
08-16-2007, 10:22 AM
great job Jorg

RedsFan75
08-16-2007, 01:19 PM
FSN showed a great camera shot of the fan getting the ball and throwing it back onto the field, Ryan should get a copy of that if he can, it was beautiful... The fan looked to be so full of anger, like someone who is part of an angry mob throwing rocks at the police. The ball bounced a couple times then the guy grabbed it and in one quick motion threw it back!

It was a thing of Beauty! :D

DoogMinAmo
08-16-2007, 01:19 PM
I assume he got the ball since Cubs fans usually throw them back. Did they here?

Do you think if Bonds hit the record-breaker in Wrigley the fans would still throw it back?

camisadelgolf
08-16-2007, 01:21 PM
Do you think if Bonds hit the record-breaker in Wrigley the fans would still throw it back?

Yeah, I think Cubs fans are drunk enough to do that.

Degenerate39
08-16-2007, 01:48 PM
Do you think if Bonds hit the record-breaker in Wrigley the fans would still throw it back?

That's like throwing a million dollars on the field.

OesterPoster
08-16-2007, 02:12 PM
FSN showed a great camera shot of the fan getting the ball and throwing it back onto the field, Ryan should get a copy of that if he can, it was beautiful... The fan looked to be so full of anger, like someone who is part of an angry mob throwing rocks at the police. The ball bounced a couple times then the guy grabbed it and in one quick motion threw it back!

It was a thing of Beauty! :D

Yep, and with the way it was thrown back onto the field, there is no doubt it was the actual ball, and not one of the fake balls brought into the stadium by the fans.

Joseph
08-16-2007, 02:33 PM
The wife has nicknamed him the Nordic Nerd, because of the last name and the fact he posts on here with us.

jojo
08-16-2007, 03:42 PM
The wife has nicknamed him the Nordic Nerd, because of the last name and the fact he posts on here with us.

Well he did have a nerdy grin rounding third last night.....


:cool:

TexRed
08-17-2007, 11:10 AM
He got the ball, even with the MLB authentic sticker on it.

fearofpopvol1
08-20-2007, 01:03 AM
Has he made any posts since being called up? I don't think he has. No doubt he's busier now than he was before. But you can't forget your roots!

Degenerate39
08-20-2007, 01:05 AM
Has he made any posts since being called up? I don't think he has. No doubt he's busier now than he was before. But you can't forget your roots!

I think he's made 1 post

Degenerate39
08-20-2007, 03:10 PM
KeyMastur is now on MLB 07: The Show. I just put him in my starting line up online

bounty37h
08-21-2007, 03:39 PM
Ryanh, the beer girl at Durham Athletic Park said hi, you know, the one you were trying so hard to get up with when you guys were in Durham in June :) Congrats on your callup, hope you pay more attention to the games and not just the honeys now....

icehole3
08-21-2007, 06:33 PM
are you playing hard to get, If Im not mistaken he has a my space page.

Degenerate39
08-26-2007, 01:37 PM
His first career grand slam today

Eric_Davis
08-26-2007, 01:38 PM
Congratulations Mr. Ryan Jorgensen on your first career grand slam.

May it be the first of many.

LoganBuck
08-26-2007, 01:44 PM
There is no Keymastur there is only Zool!

Degenerate39
08-26-2007, 01:46 PM
There is no Keymastur there is only Zool!

I hope Zool keeps swinging the bat like he did in the first

TexRed
08-26-2007, 04:06 PM
First MLB grand slam. He had one in Louisville earlier in the year when he chalked up 7 RBIs in a game.

Topcat
08-27-2007, 04:07 AM
Congrats Ryan! No matter if this is just a Crash Davis story ending, nobody can ever take away what Ryan has done. As a Fan and former player of the game, how can you not smile and be happy for Ryan's moment in the sun .

Eric_Davis
08-27-2007, 05:43 AM
After he hit the Grand Slam, the equipment managers corrected the spelling on the back of his jersey. It said "JorgensOn", and the next time he was up it said, "JorgensEn". You get noticed when you hit Grand Slams.

KittyDuran
08-27-2007, 06:04 AM
After he hit the Grand Slam, the equipment managers corrected the spelling on the back of his jersey. It said "JorgensOn", and the next time he was up it said, "JorgensEn". You get noticed when you hit Grand Slams.OMG! You're right... I never noticed. Here's the pic of his GS...


http://d.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/ap/20070826/thumb.1f54212055ac4223979e49979654c913.marlins_red s_baseball_csb102.jpg

Muggerd
08-27-2007, 01:12 PM
Im happy that hes been able to help the reds win some games.

reds44
09-07-2007, 07:17 PM
Well lookie here.

DATE RELEASE September 7, 2007


CINCINNATI’S JORGENSEN SUSPENDED

The Office of the Commissioner of Baseball announced today that Ryan Jorgensen of the Cincinnati Reds has received a 50-game suspension for violating Major League Baseball’s Joint Drug Prevention and Treatment Program.

Did redszone claim it's first victim?

Degenerate39
09-07-2007, 08:01 PM
Well lookie here.

DATE RELEASE September 7, 2007


CINCINNATIíS JORGENSEN SUSPENDED

The Office of the Commissioner of Baseball announced today that Ryan Jorgensen of the Cincinnati Reds has received a 50-game suspension for violating Major League Baseballís Joint Drug Prevention and Treatment Program.

Did redszone claim it's first victim?

I was just about to post this. This is pretty interesting considering the 'Keymastur is ???' Thread a few months ago.

Grande Donkey
09-07-2007, 08:06 PM
uh oh...

Patrick Bateman
09-07-2007, 08:45 PM
Well lookie here.

DATE RELEASE September 7, 2007


CINCINNATI’S JORGENSEN SUSPENDED

The Office of the Commissioner of Baseball announced today that Ryan Jorgensen of the Cincinnati Reds has received a 50-game suspension for violating Major League Baseball’s Joint Drug Prevention and Treatment Program.

Did redszone claim it's first victim?


It wasn't steroids. Recreational drugs.

Blue
09-07-2007, 08:58 PM
Isn't 50 games the standard first suspension for steroids?

camisadelgolf
09-08-2007, 05:08 AM
It wasn't steroids. Recreational drugs.

Link please? Or is it still possibly performance-enhancing drugs?

Degenerate39
09-08-2007, 07:01 AM
It wasn't steroids. Recreational drugs.

;) There's nothing recreational about drugs

mth123
09-08-2007, 07:13 AM
;) There's nothing recreational about drugs

Viagra?? Might qualify as recreational and as a performance enhancer.:)

icehole3
09-08-2007, 07:41 AM
not proud of it, but I broke the whole Keymastur debacle.

LvJ
09-08-2007, 11:04 AM
Sad to hear.

Degenerate39
09-08-2007, 11:51 AM
Viagra?? Might qualify as recreational and as a performance enhancer.:)

You have a point :D

TC81190
09-08-2007, 12:17 PM
Congrats Ryan! No matter if this is just a Crash Davis story ending, nobody can ever take away what Ryan has done. As a Fan and former player of the game, how can you not smile and be happy for Ryan's moment in the sun .

Oops.

fearofpopvol1
09-09-2007, 12:17 PM
Think his days posting here are done?

Degenerate39
09-09-2007, 04:24 PM
Think his days posting here are done?

I would say so if was even him

jojo
09-09-2007, 06:24 PM
Think his days posting here are done?

Unfortunately this may mean his playing days are done. Being eligible to return and being able to find a spot are two separate things.

Degenerate39
09-09-2007, 08:47 PM
If the reason he was suspened was recreational drugs then he doesn't need to be apart of this team. Keep Hamilton away from that

AmarilloRed
09-09-2007, 10:32 PM
So do we know why he was suspended yet? I have read that 50 game suspensions are reserved for people who take steroids, but some information would be nice.

dougdirt
09-09-2007, 11:20 PM
So do we know why he was suspended yet? I have read that 50 game suspensions are reserved for people who take steroids, but some information would be nice.

it was stated that his suspension was not performance enhancing drugs related.

Shaknb8k
09-10-2007, 11:03 PM
it was stated that his suspension was not performance enhancing drugs related.

where was this stated at?

dougdirt
09-11-2007, 12:20 AM
http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpages/player_previousnews.aspx?sport=MLB&id=298

Says his suspension is not PED related.

paulrichjr
12-13-2007, 10:33 PM
Wow. This sounds very much like Redszone had a part in this. You longer term posters probably know what I am talking about
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3153646

Ryan Jorgensen In September 2007, Cincinnati Reds catcher Ryan Jorgenson also was suspended for 50 games based on non-analytic evidence that he had violated the joint program. Page SR-14

reds44
12-13-2007, 11:11 PM
Wow. This sounds very much like Redszone had a part in this. You longer term posters probably know what I am talking about
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3153646

Ryan Jorgensen In September 2007, Cincinnati Reds catcher Ryan Jorgenson also was suspended for 50 games based on non-analytic evidence that he had violated the joint program. Page SR-14
hahahahahahaha

That is too good.

medford
12-14-2007, 08:59 AM
geez, I thought the internet trail we found on keymastur was very analytical. Rule #1, if you're going to do something that others might deem inappropriate or cheating, don't post about it on an internet forum using the same user name on other websites which clearly identifies your real identity.

Further more, when posting on an internet steriods board, don't mention that you're a proffesional baseball player and that only the stupid get caught. How interesting would it have been to be a fly on the wall when keymastur had his "ohh poop" moment. I'm not sure if I'd feel sad for the man or not. Once he got past his original ego trip (which may have just been schtich (sp?) - hard to tell on a message board) he seemed like a pretty decent dude.

In many ways, I understand why minor leaguers would subject themselves to steriod use. By the time you hit your 30s, you have very few marketable skills outside of your ability to play baseball, or perhaps teach/coach or scout baseball for someone. If you don't make the show, you may find yourself having to pick up the scraps and if you think trying steriods for a year or 2 might push you over the edge and enable you to make a roster, and perhaps stick on a roster for 5 years or so your possibilities beyond playing the game will increase 10 fold.

The one that shocked me more than anything was seeing Hal Morris' name thrown out there for buying steriods in the late 90s. By that point, he had already made a name for himself, and was never going to be confused for a power hitter. If the Hal Morris' of the world feel like they need them to keep up, it truely makes me think that Canseco's statement that 70% of the players use them might just be more accurate than we first thought.

The other thing I take from this, is I sure as heck hope that George Mitchell was correct in naming every single name. Its one thing for an internet message board on Reds minor league baseball to connect circumstantial evidence and link a player to steriod use, its something much much impactfull for a majore league baseball investigation to link that same player to steriod use. Even if they got a player or 2 wrong, that player's rep will forever be tarnished in and amongst the baseball community.

Mario-Rijo
12-14-2007, 04:37 PM
In many ways, I understand why minor leaguers would subject themselves to steriod use. By the time you hit your 30s, you have very few marketable skills outside of your ability to play baseball, or perhaps teach/coach or scout baseball for someone. If you don't make the show, you may find yourself having to pick up the scraps and if you think trying steriods for a year or 2 might push you over the edge and enable you to make a roster, and perhaps stick on a roster for 5 years or so your possibilities beyond playing the game will increase 10 fold.

The one that shocked me more than anything was seeing Hal Morris' name thrown out there for buying steriods in the late 90s. By that point, he had already made a name for himself, and was never going to be confused for a power hitter. If the Hal Morris' of the world feel like they need them to keep up, it truely makes me think that Canseco's statement that 70% of the players use them might just be more accurate than we first thought.

The other thing I take from this, is I sure as heck hope that George Mitchell was correct in naming every single name. Its one thing for an internet message board on Reds minor league baseball to connect circumstantial evidence and link a player to steriod use, its something much much impactfull for a majore league baseball investigation to link that same player to steriod use. Even if they got a player or 2 wrong, that player's rep will forever be tarnished in and amongst the baseball community.

And according to this article TC posted in the Mitchell thread it probably did get some names wrong as the interviewers were asking the interviewees to "guess" as to who they thought "might" have been using. What a crock!

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3142651

camisadelgolf
01-01-2009, 12:23 PM
Was anyone ever able to officially confirm whether Jorgensen's suspension was PED-related or not? He's back in the organization, for those of you who didn't know. His job will be to steal at-bats from Wilkin Castillo and Craig Tatum.

Degenerate39
01-01-2009, 04:02 PM
I thought he was with the Twins

camisadelgolf
01-01-2009, 04:03 PM
I thought he was with the Twins

He's been back since November.
http://www.baseballamerica.com/blog/prospects/?p=1808

Shaknb8k
01-01-2009, 09:08 PM
Was anyone ever able to officially confirm whether Jorgensen's suspension was PED-related or not? He's back in the organization, for those of you who didn't know. His job will be to steal at-bats from Wilkin Castillo and Craig Tatum.

Page SR-14 of the Mitchell Report should answer any questions about whether or not it was PED or not...

"In September 2007, Cincinnati Reds catcher Ryan Jorgenson also was
suspended for 50 games based on non-analytic evidence that he had violated the joint program."

medford
01-01-2009, 09:18 PM
Page SR-14 of the Mitchell Report should answer any questions about whether or not it was PED or not...

"In September 2007, Cincinnati Reds catcher Ryan Jorgenson also was
suspended for 50 games based on non-analytic evidence that he had violated the joint program."

hmm...perhaps senator mitchel is a fan of Redszone. Could he be TRM in disguise?? :D

Perhaps the most interesting day in redszone history that I can recall.

Degenerate39
02-02-2009, 06:39 PM
Is he retiring?

camisadelgolf
02-02-2009, 07:13 PM
Is he retiring?

Yep, I'm going to start a new thread about it right now.