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Matt700wlw
08-16-2007, 03:57 PM
http://www.getsportsinfo.com/index.asp?page=baseball/featurearticles/simonssays/081607

Heath
08-16-2007, 03:58 PM
I can't see him playing that long.

KronoRed
08-16-2007, 04:06 PM
Me either.

Cyclone792
08-16-2007, 04:07 PM
The only way that record is going to be touched is if someone hits higher than .350 for their career and plays forever, like Ty Cobb did. Or if someone hits higher than .300 for their career and plays forever, then tacks on about four more seasons when they had no business in a batter's box, like Pete Rose did.


PETE ROSE

1983-1986

YEAR TEAM AGE G AB R H 2B 3B HR HR% RBI BB SO SB CS AVG SLG OBA OPS
1983 Phillies 42 151 493 52 121 14 3 0 0.00 45 52 28 7 7 .245 .286 .316 .602
1984 Expos 43 95 278 34 72 6 2 0 0.00 23 31 20 1 1 .259 .295 .334 .629
Reds 43 26 96 9 35 9 0 0 0.00 11 9 7 0 0 .365 .458 .430 .888
TOTALS 121 374 43 107 15 2 0 0.00 34 40 27 1 1 .286 .337 .359 .696
1985 Reds 44 119 405 60 107 12 2 2 0.49 46 86 35 8 1 .264 .319 .395 .713
1986 Reds 45 72 237 15 52 8 2 0 0.00 25 30 31 3 0 .219 .270 .316 .586
TOTALS 463 1509 170 387 49 9 2 0.13 150 208 121 19 9 .256 .305 .349 .654
LG AVERAGE 1500 188 393 67 11 34 2.24 175 151 229 42 19 .262 .388 .330 .718
POS AVERAGE 1521 188 406 73 7 43 2.83 211 178 221 14 12 .267 .409 .343 .752

YEAR TEAM RC RCAA RCAP OWP RC/G TB EBH ISO SEC BPA IBB HBP SAC SF GIDP OUTS PA POS
1983 Phillies 45 -22 -31 .322 3.05 141 17 .041 .160 .332 5 2 1 7 11 398 555 1B
1984 Expos 27 -5 -7 .413 3.30 82 8 .036 .151 .334 3 1 3 1 10 221 314 1B
Reds 19 8 7 .731 8.27 44 9 .094 .188 .505 1 2 0 0 1 62 107 1B
TOTALS 46 3 0 .520 4.39 126 17 .051 .160 .378 4 3 3 1 11 283 421
1985 Reds 58 5 -1 .531 4.99 129 16 .054 .286 .433 5 4 1 4 10 314 500 1B
1986 Reds 23 -10 -13 .334 3.30 64 10 .051 .190 .364 0 4 0 1 2 188 272 1B
TOTALS 172 -24 -45 .433 3.93 460 60 .048 .199 .377 14 13 5 13 34 1183 1748
LG AVERAGE 195 0 0 .500 4.44 583 111 .126 .255 .437 19 7 11 13 33 1183 1681
POS AVERAGE 214 19 0 .535 4.88 622 123 .142 .268 .448 26 6 4 15 37 1183 1724

Caveat Emperor
08-16-2007, 04:13 PM
If Ichiro would've started in America, he might've had a shot -- but even his game is based so much on speed that I don't see him being able to continue to average 200 hits into his late 30s/early 40s.

bucksfan2
08-16-2007, 04:30 PM
I just dont see Jeter doing it. Jeter needs 10 years of 200+ hits and that would put him at 43. We all saw what happens to a supremely talent SS when they reach their upper 30's in Larkin. Does he have a chance? Sure but besides staying healthy and productive for the next 10 years you also have to take into consideration that Jeter does not need baseball. He is financially set right now and could retire and live a lavish lifestyle right now. The sole reason he would be playing into his 40's would be to break the record. I just dont see that happening.

Unassisted
08-16-2007, 05:07 PM
It would be interesting to see Pete's reaction if his record was broken in his lifetime.

The commissioner would probably love to see Derek Jeter be the one to do it.

vaticanplum
08-16-2007, 06:15 PM
He won't do it. But he will play for longer than a lot of people expect.

KronoRed
08-16-2007, 08:10 PM
It would be interesting to see Pete's reaction if his record was broken in his lifetime.


That would be spectacular

Tornon
08-16-2007, 10:30 PM
Julio Franco's eventually gotta do it, doesn't he? It's like nobody ever explained to him what retirement was

Marc D
08-17-2007, 11:19 AM
It may not be this generation of players(then again it could be) but I think as medicine continues to advance, specifically sports medicine the "normal" career length is going to get longer and longer.

I could see the day when a lot of these "unbreakable" career accumulation records do indeed get broken because 20-30 year careers aren't that uncommon. Franco proves the human body can do it, science can probably get it to the point where its not such a rare occurance.

Thats why anytime I'n in the "what records will never be broken" discussion I never go for the obvious ones like Ripken, Cy Young, Clemens K's or Pete's hit record. I still say Vandermeer's (sp?) back to back no hitters because it doesn't matter how long someone plays they have to throw 3 straight no hitters to break it...good luck.

Big Klu
08-17-2007, 11:40 AM
It may not be this generation of players(then again it could be) but I think as medicine continues to advance, specifically sports medicine the "normal" career length is going to get longer and longer.

I could see the day when a lot of these "unbreakable" career accumulation records do indeed get broken because 20-30 year careers aren't that uncommon. Franco proves the human body can do it, science can probably get it to the point where its not such a rare occurance.

Thats why anytime I'n in the "what records will never be broken" discussion I never go for the obvious ones like Ripken, Cy Young, Clemens K's or Pete's hit record. I still say Vandermeer's (sp?) back to back no hitters because it doesn't matter how long someone plays they have to throw 3 straight no hitters to break it...good luck.

I thought Nolan Ryan had the strikeout record. Roger Clemens is only 1061 K's behind Ryan. :)

Marc D
08-17-2007, 11:49 AM
I thought Nolan Ryan had the strikeout record. Roger Clemens is only 1061 K's behind Ryan. :)


Oops.

Oh well, he takes his vitamins and he can break that in 5-6 years. ;)

bucksfan2
08-17-2007, 12:03 PM
It may not be this generation of players(then again it could be) but I think as medicine continues to advance, specifically sports medicine the "normal" career length is going to get longer and longer.

I could see the day when a lot of these "unbreakable" career accumulation records do indeed get broken because 20-30 year careers aren't that uncommon. Franco proves the human body can do it, science can probably get it to the point where its not such a rare occurance.

Thats why anytime I'n in the "what records will never be broken" discussion I never go for the obvious ones like Ripken, Cy Young, Clemens K's or Pete's hit record. I still say Vandermeer's (sp?) back to back no hitters because it doesn't matter how long someone plays they have to throw 3 straight no hitters to break it...good luck.

I will disagree with some of what you said. Modern medicine/fitness has definatly prolonged the careers of many players however the human body is still and will always be a body. It will continue to age even if you eat right, excercise, stay in shape, etc. The things that tend to put off the effects of aging and the effects of the daily grind are steriods and those are illegal. Baseball is a game that relies so much on leg strength and wrist speed. You can keep your leg strength as you age but it becomes more difficult. However as your wrist speed starts to decline as you age there isn't anything you can do to reverse those effects.

MartyFan
08-17-2007, 12:33 PM
Jeter is the kind of player you want to see holding a record like that...who's the other guy?

Marc D
08-17-2007, 01:20 PM
I will disagree with some of what you said. Modern medicine/fitness has definatly prolonged the careers of many players however the human body is still and will always be a body. It will continue to age even if you eat right, excercise, stay in shape, etc. The things that tend to put off the effects of aging and the effects of the daily grind are steriods and those are illegal. Baseball is a game that relies so much on leg strength and wrist speed. You can keep your leg strength as you age but it becomes more difficult. However as your wrist speed starts to decline as you age there isn't anything you can do to reverse those effects.


Steroids being illegal doesn't seem to be the biggest deterrent in the world. Also, I agree that eventually you can't stop the aging but my point is how they can extend it.

Take the hit record for instance, at a 20 year career we all know its 200 hits a year for 20 years. Add just 5 more to that career and its all the way down to 160.

Still an impressive feat no doubt but the point is how reasonable it is to see them being able to add 5 years to the career of a guy who took good care of himself and the effect on the career accumulation records when/if that happens?

Very plausible imo.

cumberlandreds
08-17-2007, 01:28 PM
If Ichiro would've started in America, he might've had a shot -- but even his game is based so much on speed that I don't see him being able to continue to average 200 hits into his late 30s/early 40s.

I agree with you. If Ichiro had played his entire career in the USA he would have flown past Rose's record. I think Ichiro played seven season in Japan. If he had played that here and at 200 hits per season,that's another 1400+ to tack on to his 1500. He would now be at 3000 at age 33(?). Barring a terrible injury he would have easily passed Rose.

nate
08-17-2007, 02:15 PM
It would be interesting to see Pete's reaction if his record was broken in his lifetime.


Especially if he took the under.

Dom Heffner
08-17-2007, 02:19 PM
I think Rose averaged 200+ hits a year from ages 36-40, didn't he? Good luck matching that.

RedsBaron
08-17-2007, 07:11 PM
I think Rose averaged 200+ hits a year from ages 36-40, didn't he? Good luck matching that.

Not quite. Pete had 185 hits at age 39 (1980) and the strike in 1981 eliminated 1/3 of the schedule, holding him to 140 hits at age 40, which still lead the NL. He had 935 hits from ages 36 through 40. From ages 34 through 38 (1975-79) Rose had 1035 hits, an average of 207 a season. Good luck matching that at those ages.