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savafan
08-17-2007, 02:57 PM
When he steps down as commissioner of baseball, how do you think Selig will be remembered? The most forward thinking and innovative commissioner ever? The destroyer of years of tradition? Reigning over the sport during it's most successful attendance years ever? Reigning over a sport during an era that is entirely tainted?

cumberlandreds
08-17-2007, 03:03 PM
He will be the commishioner who cancelled a World Series. He should have never allowed things to come to that but did. Anything good he did after that will always be overshadowed in my mind by being the man who canceled a World Series.

bucksfan2
08-17-2007, 03:30 PM
I will always think of Selig as a scared commish who did more harm than good to baseball. I will remember him as a commish who canceled the world series. A commish who transformed the playing field of baseball to the haves ane have nots. A commish who turned the other way during the steroid era because teams were selling tickets. A commish who is letting 1 player take the fall for an era when steriods were rampant. A commish who in his hope park ended the all star game in a tie. A commish who in his time transformed baseball from the american pasttime to second fiddle to the NFL. A commish who saw the number of players playing baseball decline. A commish who semed to care about putting money in the owners pockets rather than keeping the tradition of baseball intact.

Oh yea the wild card and interleague play is nice.

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08-17-2007, 03:50 PM
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Oh. You meant in regards to baseball? Sorry, what was the question again :)

15fan
08-17-2007, 04:08 PM
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/baseball/2002/allstar/news/2002/07/09/allstar_game_ap/lg_selig_ap.jpg

Unassisted
08-17-2007, 05:07 PM
When Bud became commissioner, MLB was bringing in $1 billion/year in revenue. Now the game is bringing in over $6 billion/year in revenue, a figure that is sure to go up between now and the time he retires. Bud was at the helm when it happened. Like it or not, Bud's legacy with his 30 bosses will be as a commissioner who brought massive increases in revenue.

Money is the foundation upon which everything else in the sport sits. We may view him as mealy-mouthed and ham-handed, but you can't dispute that decisions Bud made have benefited the game that we love in the most important way possible.

cincrazy
08-17-2007, 05:13 PM
MLB was playing second fiddle to the NFL well before Selig came into charge, and the players and their union had just as much to do with that strike in 1994 as Selig did. He's a lightning rod, no question about it, and he's made some mistakes, but we shouldn't let those mistakes overshadow a lot of what he's accomplished.

Redsland
08-17-2007, 05:18 PM
A canceled World Series.

Interleague play.

Meteoric growth in franchise revenue and valuation.

RFS62
08-17-2007, 05:21 PM
He did have a nice part in "The Incredibles"

KronoRed
08-17-2007, 05:22 PM
I'm not happy Bob

Aronchis
08-17-2007, 05:44 PM
MLB was playing second fiddle to the NFL well before Selig came into charge, and the players and their union had just as much to do with that strike in 1994 as Selig did. He's a lightning rod, no question about it, and he's made some mistakes, but we shouldn't let those mistakes overshadow a lot of what he's accomplished.

MLB still plays second fiddle to the NFL. Some things never change.

Joseph
08-17-2007, 05:52 PM
Scoff if you want, he's the best commissioner ever in terms of growing the game.

Wild card? We all hated it. Admit it. It's a great thing.

Revenue sharing has started in a limited forms under him which somewhere down the line will bring a more economic balance to the game.

Labor harmony is at its longest running period under his watch.

Bud is a good commissioner.

He's a dork, but he's good. He has a terrible hair piece, but he's good. He comes across as inept, but he's good.

Appreciate what he's done for the game, don't damn him to hell for what the players did, or 1994 or the All-star game.

ochre
08-17-2007, 06:21 PM
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/baseball/2002/allstar/news/2002/07/09/allstar_game_ap/lg_selig_ap.jpg
Long concerned about problems with his perceived "street cred", Bud Selig is caught here stacking for the umpires.

ochre
08-17-2007, 06:24 PM
Scoff if you want, he's the best commissioner ever in terms of growing the game.

Wild card? We all hated it. Admit it. It's a great thing.

Revenue sharing has started in a limited forms under him which somewhere down the line will bring a more economic balance to the game.

Labor harmony is at its longest running period under his watch.

Bud is a good commissioner.

He's a dork, but he's good. He has a terrible hair piece, but he's good. He comes across as inept, but he's good.

Appreciate what he's done for the game, don't damn him to hell for what the players did, or 1994 or the All-star game.
August 11, 1994:
Central Division
1st Cincinnati Reds 66 48 .579 --
2nd Houston Astros 66 49 .574 0.5
3rd Pittsburgh Pirates 53 61 .465 13.0
3rd St. Louis Cardinals 53 61 .465 13.0
5th Chicago Cubs 49 64 .434 16.5

Matt700wlw
08-17-2007, 06:25 PM
Bud Selig's a boob

Matt700wlw
08-17-2007, 06:25 PM
August 11, 1994:
Central Division
1st Cincinnati Reds 66 48 .579 --
2nd Houston Astros 66 49 .574 0.5
3rd Pittsburgh Pirates 53 61 .465 13.0
3rd St. Louis Cardinals 53 61 .465 13.0
5th Chicago Cubs 49 64 .434 16.5

The Reds may have won it all that year....at least I can think so anyway :D

vaticanplum
08-17-2007, 06:40 PM
Scoff if you want, he's the best commissioner ever in terms of growing the game.

Wild card? We all hated it. Admit it. It's a great thing.

Revenue sharing has started in a limited forms under him which somewhere down the line will bring a more economic balance to the game.

Labor harmony is at its longest running period under his watch.

Bud is a good commissioner.

He's a dork, but he's good. He has a terrible hair piece, but he's good. He comes across as inept, but he's good.

Appreciate what he's done for the game, don't damn him to hell for what the players did, or 1994 or the All-star game.

I kind of agree with this, much as it pains me. Interleague play has been played out at this point, but the wild card remains a fantastically exciting addition to the game. And as far as the strike goes, I think there are two points to keep in mind in terms of balance: a) It's naive to chalk the whole thing up to one man, even the man in charge, and b) bad as some of the strike's ramifications were, the sport may well have ended up in a much worse place than it is today if it hadn't happened.

He is a huge dork though. I vote for someone sassier next time.

KronoRed
08-17-2007, 06:45 PM
Wild card? We all hated it. Admit it. It's a great thing.


Going to disagree with you on this point, never been a fan of the WC.

Matt700wlw
08-17-2007, 06:47 PM
Going to disagree with you on this point, never been a fan of the WC.

I like it...it give more teams a chance. Maybe that's why you don't like it...lets the "not as good" teams in. I can understand that.

ochre
08-17-2007, 06:52 PM
I kind of agree with this, much as it pains me. Interleague play has been played out at this point, but the wild card remains a fantastically exciting addition to the game. And as far as the strike goes, I think there are two points to keep in mind in terms of balance: a) It's naive to chalk the whole thing up to one man, even the man in charge, and b) bad as some of the strike's ramifications were, the sport may well have ended up in a much worse place than it is today if it hadn't happened.

He is a huge dork though. I vote for someone sassier next time.
You and Joseph are being way too rational. First place a third of the way into August. You all need to focus more on emotional responses, particularly when, as far as we know now, that could have been the Reds "goat moment".


:)

vaticanplum
08-17-2007, 06:53 PM
The wild card drags out October baseball more than I'd like, but it has completely revitalized September baseball. In the past, with four divisions, there were some great races some years, and there were also many years where a team or more ran away with a division and made September baseball boring and irrelevant for a lot of teams. Even the Reds can be relevant in September by messing things up for another team.

And there's also the very interesting case of a wild card ultimately winning the World Series. It's happened several times, and that's just fun.

edit: Yeah ochre...I've just tried to bury the pain :)

westofyou
08-17-2007, 07:41 PM
The Guy who stole the Pilots from Seattle whilst he was suing MLB would be a good starting point.

How he became Commissioner with that on his resume continues to befuddle me today.

Eric_Davis
08-17-2007, 08:02 PM
Steroids.

Eric_Davis
08-17-2007, 08:04 PM
I think he was the ring-leader for getting Marge out of baseball.

RedsBaron
08-17-2007, 08:15 PM
Going to disagree with you on this point, never been a fan of the WC.

I agree.

westofyou
08-17-2007, 08:17 PM
I think he was the ring-leader for getting Marge out of baseball.

Her partners would have done it eventually.

KronoRed
08-17-2007, 09:16 PM
I like it...it give more teams a chance. Maybe that's why you don't like it...lets the "not as good" teams in. I can understand that.

It's that and it also convinces awful teams they still have a "shot" year after year.

Not to say all the wild card winners have been bad.

Strikes Out Looking
08-17-2007, 10:17 PM
The revenue growth would have happened if Jerry Narron was commissioner. Bud has done more to stop the growth of baseball, all in the name of a fast buck now, than anyone. He's allowed the owners to make decisions for the short term rather than the long term which has hurt the game.

As an example, how many kids get to see at least 3 or more innings of a world series game? They don't usually start till at least 8:30 p.m. I for one can't wait for Bud to leave...of course the owners will probably pick Tom Hicks to replace him...

Unassisted
08-17-2007, 11:23 PM
The revenue growth would have happened if Jerry Narron was commissioner.

Doesn't matter. Bud was at the helm and decisions were made under his watch that he made his bosses richer. Whether it was other people's whispered counsel, lucky coin flips or business savvy that led to those decisions, Bud gets the credit.

I fully expect Bud to write a book that makes it clear that the important calls were his calls. It will have some self-deprecation and mild second-guessing, but the clear intent of the book will be to burnish his legacy.

MrCinatit
08-18-2007, 12:04 AM
Steroids.

The very first think which popped into my mind when I thought of Selig. I have a feeling his attempts to sweep the steroids problems under the rugs will be his legacy. It practically took an act of Congress to make him take notice.

BCubb2003
08-18-2007, 12:58 AM
The very first think which popped into my mind when I thought of Selig. I have a feeling his attempts to sweep the steroids problems under the rugs will be his legacy. It practically took an act of Congress to make him take notice.

I have a contrarian view about whether Selig and the owners were irresponsible about steroids, but I agree that Selig will be known as the commissioner of the Steroids Era.

corkedbat
08-18-2007, 12:39 PM
Making the successful transition from child actor to Commissioner of MLB

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http://www.ballparkwatch.com/images/bud_selig.gif

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Big Klu
08-18-2007, 01:56 PM
Scoff if you want, he's the best commissioner ever in terms of growing the game.

Wild card? We all hated it. Admit it. It's a great thing.

Revenue sharing has started in a limited forms under him which somewhere down the line will bring a more economic balance to the game.

Labor harmony is at its longest running period under his watch.

Bud is a good commissioner.

He's a dork, but he's good. He has a terrible hair piece, but he's good. He comes across as inept, but he's good.

Appreciate what he's done for the game, don't damn him to hell for what the players did, or 1994 or the All-star game.


Going to disagree with you on this point, never been a fan of the WC.


I agree.


It's that and it also convinces awful teams they still have a "shot" year after year.

Not to say all the wild card winners have been bad.

I also dislike the wild card, and I have no use for interleague play, either. I would rather have more games vs. the Dodgers, Giants, Braves, and Phillies than have to play AL teams--including the artificial "rivalry" with the Indians.





http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/baseball/2002/allstar/news/2002/07/09/allstar_game_ap/lg_selig_ap.jpg


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WOOOOOO!!!!!!!!

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08-18-2007, 02:01 PM
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jmcclain19
08-20-2007, 09:17 PM
I think Selig's legacy will be mixed.

He'll never be universally beloved - even after he's long gone.

The Pros
-Presided over a time when baseball's revenue's grew exponentially
-Created the Wild Card
-Created Interleague play
-Successfully intergrated the two leagues (IE no NL or AL office anymore, umpires are all MLB wide now, etc)
-Since the strike, baseball has had relatively harmonious labor relations for going on a dozen years
-Willing to start up MLB Baseball Channel (coming to a TV near you in 2009) despite it having failed so spectacularly before.
-A thriving MLB Advanced Media arm. MLBAM is an amazing revenue generator and gets little pub about how cutting edge they are.

Cons
-Canceled World Series
-All Star game nonsense (now it counts!)
-All Star game ends in a tie
-Sat idly by and done nothing as steroids has rotted the game from it's core
-Sat idly by and done nothing as payrolls have gotten wildly out of control. They Yankees now have a payroll that's three to six times larger than their competition. If it wasn't for the Boston, Yanks & Mets front office complete ineptitude with regard finances, the word 'baseball parity' would never enter dare be uttered.
-Allowed legions of loyal fans to be ostrizied by the sport's idiotic idea that baseball should only be seen on DirecTV