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texasdave
08-18-2007, 10:55 AM
Saturday's probables:

Louisville - Steve Kelly has been brought up from AA Chattanooga to make this start. Kelly is a Cincinnati native. He has struggled this year in Louisville posting a 1 - 6 record with a 6.89 ERA. He has given up 70 hits in a little over 48 innings pitched. He has walked 24 and struck out 24. His WHIP is 1.94. Game starts at 7 EDT.

Chattanooga - It's Cueto time. Johnny will be making his first start back in AA after a brief stint at Louisville. It seems odd that they would send Cueto back, while at the same time bringing someone up from Chattanooga to Louisville to pitch on the same day. Kelly must have been on a 'rehab' assignment. I am looking for another strong outing from JC. Game starts at 7:15 EDT.

Sarasota - Alexander Smit on the bump for Sarasota. He is making his second start since his promotion from Dayton. His first was a solid effort: 5 IP 4 H 2 ER 3 BB 4 K. Game starts at 6 EDT.

Dayton - Jordan Smith toes the rubber for the Dragons on Saturday. He is enjoying a solid second season in the Reds' organization. He sports a tidy 3.44 ERA and a respectable 1.24 WHIP. In 120 IP he has fanned 82 while walking just 33. Game starts at 7 EDT.

Billings - Scott Carroll will be making his third appearance Billings. He was taken in the 3rd round of the June draft. He has not allowed a run in 4 IP. Giving up 1 hit and 2 walks. He has struck out 6. Game starts at 9:05 EDT.

GCL - I am unsure of the probable for the GCL Reds. Efrain Rodriguez looks like a good possibility. Rodriguez has worked in both the rotation and out of the bullpen this season. He has crafted a 2.30 ERA. Game starts at 10 AM EDT.

KeyMastur
08-18-2007, 11:27 AM
I believe Kelly was still with the Louisville team, just on the AA roster. He never went down to Chat.

Muggerd
08-18-2007, 12:25 PM
I think i might have to watch the reds game today while streaming the AA game off my computer.

texasdave
08-18-2007, 12:31 PM
I believe Kelly was still with the Louisville team, just on the AA roster. He never went down to Chat.

That is probably correct. The blurb I read stated that he was activated from the Chattanooga disabled list. I assumed if he was on the Chattanooga DL that he was with them, but I guess that wasn't the case.

camisadelgolf
08-18-2007, 01:22 PM
Chattanooga - It's Cueto time. Johnny will be making his first start back in AA after a brief stint at Louisville. It seems odd that they would send Cueto back, while at the same time bringing someone up from Chattanooga to Louisville to pitch on the same day. Kelly must have been on a 'rehab' assignment. I am looking for another strong outing from JC. Game starts at 7:15 EDT.

For anyone who is upset about Cueto being demoted and doesn't already know, Cueto is back in AA to help get the Lookouts into the playoffs.

Prf15
08-18-2007, 02:06 PM
For anyone who is upset about Cueto being demoted and doesn't already know, Cueto is back in AA to help get the Lookouts into the playoffs.

Guess they would rather win AA titles than try to help the major league team.

camisadelgolf
08-18-2007, 02:14 PM
Guess they would rather win AA titles than try to help the major league team.

Assuming Cueto could help the Reds win this year, it would still be too little too late. I think it's great that they're trying to get their minor league affiliates into the playoffs so the players can get used to playing under pressure.

OnBaseMachine
08-18-2007, 07:12 PM
Sarasota was postponed tonight.

NJReds
08-18-2007, 07:53 PM
Assuming Cueto could help the Reds win this year, it would still be too little too late. I think it's great that they're trying to get their minor league affiliates into the playoffs so the players can get used to playing under pressure.

Here's a question for the board. If the Yankees can push Joba Chamberlain from AA to AAA to the 8th inning setup man in one year. How come the Reds couldn't do the same with Bailey or Cueto earlier this season when the bullpen was the Reds biggest weakness. The Yankees still say that Joba will return next year as a starter. It doesn't seem to be hurting his development.

dougdirt
08-18-2007, 08:12 PM
Well, first off the Yankees surely don't care one ounce about arbitration years being wasted. Secondly, I don't think that its a good idea to do that with a starter. Chamberlain has pitched 94 innings this year. Lets say he pitches another 20 (which is actually a lot for a reliever) before the season is over, he will only have thrown 114 innings this year. Next year, as a starter he will be looked upon to throw 170+ innings. Thats a giant leap in innings to make.

OnBaseMachine
08-18-2007, 08:29 PM
Stubbs doubled in his first atbat tonight, his 26th of the year.

dougdirt
08-18-2007, 08:31 PM
Jesse Gutierrez has a solo HR for Louisville.

Drew Stubbs is officially scorching.

texasdave
08-18-2007, 08:31 PM
Joey Votto in LF tonight. He guns down a runner at home trying to score on a potential Sac Fly. Gutierrez has gone deep. 1-0 Bats after 1.

texasdave
08-18-2007, 08:35 PM
Cueto with a rough first giving up a 2-run shot. Chattanooga down 2 zip early. Jeff Samardzija (ex- Notre Dame WR) pitching against Cueto.

texasdave
08-18-2007, 08:38 PM
GCL Reds fall 4-3 earlier in the day. Neither Soto nor Mesoraco were in the lineup. Steve Otterness pitched well 5 IP 2 H 1 UER 1 W 6 K.

OnBaseMachine
08-18-2007, 08:45 PM
Cueto K's the side in the second inning.

2 IP, 3 H, 2 R, 0 BB, 4 K

texasdave
08-18-2007, 08:47 PM
Nice bounce back. Any time table on when Homer might return?

dougdirt
08-18-2007, 08:48 PM
Soto hasn't played since the 11th. Wonder whats up there?

mth123
08-18-2007, 08:51 PM
Here's a question for the board. If the Yankees can push Joba Chamberlain from AA to AAA to the 8th inning setup man in one year. How come the Reds couldn't do the same with Bailey or Cueto earlier this season when the bullpen was the Reds biggest weakness. The Yankees still say that Joba will return next year as a starter. It doesn't seem to be hurting his development.

I think its because of the Yankees can use these guys up to fit their needs and if they screw one up, they just go buy somebody else. The Reds need to treat any starter prospect who might have building block potential with kid gloves. The Reds just can't replace these guys like the Yankees can.

dougdirt
08-18-2007, 09:01 PM
Jay Bruce singles on a line drive to left field. Bats getting clobbered 7-1 in the 4th

dougdirt
08-18-2007, 09:12 PM
Not good for Cueto. 6 runs (5 earned) so far in 3 innings. 5 strikeouts. 2 HR's.

OnBaseMachine
08-18-2007, 09:12 PM
Stubbs doubles again, #27.

texasdave
08-18-2007, 09:13 PM
Chattanooga falls behind 6-2 in the third. Cueto not faring so well. 3 IP 7 H 6 R 5 ER 0 BB 5 K

EDIT I type pretty slowly.

dougdirt
08-18-2007, 09:14 PM
Drew Stubbs doubles again and is now 2-2 with 2 doubles. RBI.

I type slow as well.

dougdirt
08-18-2007, 09:22 PM
Joey Votto homers. Bats trail 7-4.

mth123
08-18-2007, 09:24 PM
Joey Votto homers. Bats trail 7-4.

Votto has turned up the power. How many HR this week? I'm glad to see he can get on a HR roll like this. Maybe he will end up a prototypical 1B after all.

dougdirt
08-18-2007, 09:26 PM
I think getting 300 plate appearances in GABP will help Votto hit 30 HR in some seasons.

OnBaseMachine
08-18-2007, 09:27 PM
Stubbs singles and is now 3-for-3 with two doubles and a single.

dougdirt
08-18-2007, 09:28 PM
Adam Rosales is 2-2 with 2 doubles and Drew Anderson has a 2 run HR for the Lookouts.

Drew Stubbs = hotter than the sun?

mth123
08-18-2007, 09:29 PM
I think getting 300 plate appearances in GABP will help Votto hit 30 HR in some seasons.

It won't hurt.

mth123
08-18-2007, 09:31 PM
Adam Rosales is 2-2 with 2 doubles and Drew Anderson has a 2 run HR for the Lookouts.

Drew Stubbs = hotter than the sun?

I see a Freelesque role in Rosales future.

What's the deal with Stubbs injury? I think I remember turf toe, but when did it first start hampering him?

dougdirt
08-18-2007, 09:34 PM
Up to the minute Drew Stubbs update:

Taking away his June - .303/.399/.496

Since July Began - .329/.422/.574.

dougdirt
08-18-2007, 09:34 PM
I see a Freelesque role in Rosales future.

What's the deal with Stubbs injury? I think I remember turf toe, but when did it first start hampering him?

It is turf toe, and its been a problem since last season.

corkedbat
08-18-2007, 09:45 PM
Adam Rosales is 2-2 with 2 doubles and Drew Anderson has a 2 run HR for the Lookouts.

Drew Stubbs = hotter than the sun?

Good to see Stubbs thriving. I hope he can have repeat success at Chattanooga next year. Also relieved to see Joeys resurgent power.

I love the season that Rosales is having.

dougdirt
08-18-2007, 10:00 PM
Its Joey Vottos world and we are just living in it. 21st HR of the year.

OnBaseMachine
08-18-2007, 10:06 PM
Its Joey Vottos world and we are just living in it. 21st HR of the year.

What are you waiting on Wayne? That's six homers in the past week by Votto. He's only one HR shy of last year's total.

reds44
08-18-2007, 10:12 PM
What are you waiting on Wayne? That's six homers in the past week by Votto. He's only one HR shy of last year's total.
September 1st.

OnBaseMachine
08-18-2007, 10:13 PM
Stubbs walk. He's been on base all four times tonight pushing his OBP over .370 for the season.

dougdirt
08-18-2007, 10:17 PM
Jay Bruce singles and is 2-4 tonight with 2 singles. He is back over .300 at .302.

OnBaseMachine
08-18-2007, 10:17 PM
Bruce singles to make him 2-for-4 on the night.

dougdirt
08-18-2007, 10:18 PM
Bruce singles to make him 2-for-4 on the night.

slow poke. :p:

ochoa30
08-18-2007, 10:24 PM
Todd frazier hits his 5th homerun of the year. A 2 run shot gives billings the early 2 nothing lead.

Aronchis
08-18-2007, 10:24 PM
Nice to see Votto rebound. He looked mentally down 2 weeks ago. He is showing he has the power. He is only 1 hr behind last year. So he had a better season last year, some years are better than others. .900 OPS guys are just there to throw away.........

FWIW, I hate to bring it up. But Cueto was "horrible" beyond words. Mr.headcase have his feelings hurt? I mean, did he even try? I tell you, pitchers with immaturity problems give me pause.

NJReds
08-18-2007, 10:36 PM
Thanks for the responses on the Yankees handling of Joba vs. how the Reds are handling their pitching prospects. From what I've heard, it looks as though the Yanks will be going with Wang, Mussina (under contract), Pettitte, Hughes and either Joba or Ian Kennedy next year. I'll be interested to see if Joba is hurt by how the Yankees are using him. The guy has great stuff.

texasdave
08-18-2007, 11:13 PM
Louisville comes all the way back from a 7-1 deficit to win 8-7. Bats' bullpen allows only 3 hits in 5 innings of work while striking out 9. Todd C. works 2 scoreless frames while striking out 5. Mcbeth gets his 9th save of the year. His ERA is now 1.38.


EDIT-And still the big league team trots out the likes of Mike Stanton and Eddie Guardado.

HBP
08-18-2007, 11:18 PM
Votto - Stubbs - Bruce - all smashing the ball :beerme:

texasdave
08-18-2007, 11:19 PM
Deuces wild in Billings tonight for pitcher Scott Carroll. 2 IP 2 H 2 R 2 ER 2 BB 2 K. Brandon Waring hit his 9th of the season. Mustangs lead 4-2 early.

AmarilloRed
08-18-2007, 11:23 PM
I think the time has come to call up Salmon and McBeth , send down Guardado and DFA Stanton. Krivsky has had a trial period of trying out Majewski and Guardado to see if those two have anything left, and I think we have the answer with Guardado. From what I have seen, Gary can be effective if you don't keep him in too long. 1 inning seems to be his limit. Perhaps Coffey's work in AAA will help his confidence.

Chi-Town Red
08-18-2007, 11:29 PM
Stubbs.... in a zone as they used to say!!!

AmarilloRed
08-18-2007, 11:48 PM
We simply have to make room for Votto. He has nothing left to prove at Louisville.Cut Conine if you can't trade him; we need to see how Votto handles major league pitching.

Prf15
08-19-2007, 01:32 AM
I guess Cueto was a little dissapointed they sent him down.

11larkin11
08-19-2007, 01:40 AM
I never jumped off the Stubbs bandwagon!!!

11larkin11
08-19-2007, 01:41 AM
I also don't understand this. He dominated, why not let him continue. I fear he might blow it again like he did in Sarasota when he knew he should be in AA, now knowing he should be in AAA.

Called It.

Screwball
08-19-2007, 01:55 AM
Nm.

OnBaseMachine
08-19-2007, 03:39 AM
What a great night for the Reds hitting prospects. Check out what some of the big names did:

Joey Votto 2-for-5 with 2 HR and 5 RBI
Jay Bruce had 2 singles

Adam Rosales 2-for-3 with two doubles

Drew Stubbs 3-for-4 with two doubles, single, and a walk

Todd Frazier 1-for-3 with a HR, walk, 3 RBI
Brandon Waring 3-for-3 with two homers, 2 walks, 2 RBI
Michael Jones 3-for-5 two doubles
Justin Reed 2-for-4 with a HR, 3 RBI