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BigRed07
08-19-2007, 07:22 PM
Dragons trail 3-2 after 1. Turner 1-1. Francisco 1-1, HR(19) 2RBI.

reds44
08-19-2007, 07:29 PM
Votto got the boot.

OnBaseMachine
08-19-2007, 07:31 PM
Todd Frazier is 3-for-3 with three singles so far tonight. Justin Reed is 2-for-2 with a solo HR and a single.

OnBaseMachine
08-19-2007, 07:32 PM
Pelland: 1 IP, 0 H, 0 R, 0 BB, 2 K

BigRed07
08-19-2007, 07:38 PM
Sarasota loses Gm 1 7-3. Smit takes the loss.

OnBaseMachine
08-19-2007, 08:20 PM
Todd Frazier is now 4-for-4 with three singles, a triple, and two RBI. Brandon Waring is 1-for-4 with a double.

Reed is 2-for-2 with a HR, single, and a walk.

AmarilloRed
08-19-2007, 08:40 PM
Votto got the boot.

What did he do to get the boot?

BigRed07
08-19-2007, 08:58 PM
Franciso hits his 2nd bomb (#20) 3 RBI's. Dragons trail 7-5 in the 6th.

OnBaseMachine
08-19-2007, 09:05 PM
Juan Francisco has enormous power, in fact, in a recent survey done by Baseball America in which they polled league managers on who had the best tools in each league, Midwest League managers voted Juan Francisco as the best power hitter in the league. If this kid can learn some plate discipline, just a little bit, he could become a great hitter. He just turned 20-years old in late June, so there is still hope for him.

OnBaseMachine
08-19-2007, 09:10 PM
Daryl Thompson: 4 IP, 4 H, 0 R, 0 BB, 6 K

BigRed07
08-19-2007, 09:32 PM
Francisco just hit his 3rd bomb of the night. 7 RBI's and (2) were hit to the opposite field. Dragons lead 8-7 in the 7th.

BigRed07
08-19-2007, 09:38 PM
Who was the last Dragon to hit 3 homers in a game before tonight?

Prf15
08-19-2007, 09:52 PM
Who was the last Dragon to hit 3 homers in a game before tonight?

Dunn maybe?

Degenerate39
08-19-2007, 10:00 PM
Dunn maybe?

Or Bruce

Screwball
08-19-2007, 10:05 PM
Francisco just hit his 3rd bomb of the night. 7 RBI's and (2) were hit to the opposite field. Dragons lead 8-7 in the 7th.

:beerme:

OnBaseMachine
08-19-2007, 10:08 PM
Francisco is now tied for the Midwest League lead in homers. The guy he is tied with is 23 or 24 years old while Francisco is only 20. Very impressive power by Francisco.

OnBaseMachine
08-19-2007, 10:11 PM
Dayton won 8-7.

Francisco finished 3-for-4 with 3 HR and 7 RBI. Drew Stubbs was 1-for-4 with a single. Valiquette threw 2 innings, 0 hits, 0 runs, 1 walk, and 2 strikeouts for the win.

OnBaseMachine
08-19-2007, 10:14 PM
Daryl Thompson: 6 IP, 4 H, 0 R, 1 BB, 7 K for the win

Derrik Lutz threw a 1-2-3 inning with a strikeout for his 20th save.

Degenerate39
08-19-2007, 10:29 PM
Another lefty power hitter uh oh

OnBaseMachine
08-19-2007, 10:44 PM
Yep, we are loaded with lefty power hitters, however, we have a few righties in the lower minors who could develop into RH power bats. Drew Stubbs, Todd Frazier, Neftali Soto, and Brandon Waring are all RH hitters with power potential. Mesoraco also swings from the right side, though I don't think he projects to be a 30 HR guy. BA ranks his power as a 55 on the 20-80 scale, which probably projects to around 20 homers or so.

Zippy McGee
08-19-2007, 10:48 PM
Who was the last Dragon to hit 3 homers in a game before tonight?

Wily Mo Pena - 3 @ Cedar Rapids in 2001. Seven RBI for Francisco ties Dunn and Votto for franchise high.

Kc61
08-19-2007, 11:48 PM
Why is Todd Frazier playing at Billings?

dougdirt
08-20-2007, 11:16 AM
Why is Todd Frazier playing at Billings?

Becuase the Reds are the only team in baseball who will put a first round pick in rookie ball, then leave him there while he is hitting over .330.

I hate them sometimes.

BRM
08-20-2007, 11:28 AM
Becuase the Reds are the only team in baseball who will put a first round pick in rookie ball, then leave him there while he is hitting over .330.

I hate them sometimes.

Could it be the Reds don't think Turner, Cozart, or Fancisco are ready to be promoted to Sarasota? Maybe Frazier is simply blocked right now.

dougdirt
08-20-2007, 11:37 AM
Other college 1st rounders
Matt Laporta - .259/.286/.519 in 27 Pioneer League at bats. Promoted to the SAL.
Beau Mills - .179/.303/.250 in 28 NYP AB's. Promoted to the SAL.
JP Arencibia - .257/.305/.377 in the NYP
Todd Frazier - .336/.418/.533 in the Pioneer League in 137 at bats. Still there.
Kellen Kulbacki - .265/.347/.406 in the NWL.
Sean Doolittle - .283/.421/.348 in the NYP. Promoted to the MWL.
Jackson Williams - .236/.345/.416 in the NWL.
Josh Donaldson - .182/.302/..364 in the AZL. Promoted to the NWL.
MAtt Mangini is in High A.
Mitch Canahm - .791 OPS in the NWL.
Corey Brown - .922 OPS in the NWL.
Danny Payne - .809 OPS in the NWL.

So of every first round college player that is playing, only the Reds have theirs still in rookie ball. And he is killing it.

lollipopcurve
08-20-2007, 11:39 AM
Becuase the Reds are the only team in baseball who will put a first round pick in rookie ball, then leave him there while he is hitting over .330.

I hate them sometimes.

I've followed the Reds minor leagues for over 20 years and this is standard operating procedure. The fact is, the Reds value their connection with Billings -- they've been there as long as I can remember -- and one way they show that is by fielding competitive teams there just about every summer. Keeping Frazier there for a couple more weeks isn't hurting him. If you move him, it seriously damages the Mustangs' playoff hopes, and the disruption may not work out for Frazier anyway (see Sean Watson's results the past 2 years after being moved up).

If Frazier had signed sooner, he'd probably be in Dayton now.

dougdirt
08-20-2007, 11:39 AM
Could it be the Reds don't think Turner, Cozart, or Fancisco are ready to be promoted to Sarasota? Maybe Frazier is simply blocked right now.

Maybe, but Turner should be promoted and he should have a while ago.

lollipopcurve
08-20-2007, 11:40 AM
Other college 1st rounders
Matt Laporta - .259/.286/.519 in 27 Pioneer League at bats. Promoted to the SAL.
Beau Mills - .179/.303/.250 in 28 NYP AB's. Promoted to the SAL.
JP Arencibia - .257/.305/.377 in the NYP
Todd Frazier - .336/.418/.533 in the Pioneer League in 137 at bats. Still there.
Kellen Kulbacki - .265/.347/.406 in the NWL.
Sean Doolittle - .283/.421/.348 in the NYP. Promoted to the MWL.
Jackson Williams - .236/.345/.416 in the NWL.
Josh Donaldson - .182/.302/..364 in the AZL. Promoted to the NWL.
MAtt Mangini is in High A.
Mitch Canahm - .791 OPS in the NWL.
Corey Brown - .922 OPS in the NWL.
Danny Payne - .809 OPS in the NWL.

The Northwest League is a short season league just like the Pioneer League.

BRM
08-20-2007, 11:42 AM
Maybe, but Turner should be promoted and he should have a while ago.

I agree. Apparently the Reds feel otherwise.

Kc61
08-20-2007, 11:46 AM
I've followed the Reds minor leagues for over 20 years and this is standard operating procedure. The fact is, the Reds value their connection with Billings -- they've been there as long as I can remember -- and one way they show that is by fielding competitive teams there just about every summer. Keeping Frazier there for a couple more weeks isn't hurting him. If you move him, it seriously damages the Mustangs' playoff hopes, and the disruption may not work out for Frazier anyway (see Sean Watson's results the past 2 years after being moved up).

If Frazier had signed sooner, he'd probably be in Dayton now.

Problem is that the Reds also value the Dayton club. So next year does he stay at Low A ball all year?

I don't mind the general pattern of putting a good team at Billings, but Frazier seems overqualified. He was a great college hitter at Rutgers and the Reds really need right handed hitting.

Francisco was at Dayton all year and that makes sense. He is younger, his game seems to need more work. Obviously a talented player. Frazier, on the other hand, just seems more advanced, more polished. There is a defensive issue -- where does he play -- but I think offensively he probably is High-A material right now, AA sometime next year.

I'd like to see him near big league level as soon as possible.

Redman15
08-20-2007, 11:53 AM
The Reds kept Valaika, Dorn and Turner in Billings all of last year. They all hit over .330. There must be much more than just stats and their performance on the field. I would think that if your numbers are better than the guy ahead of you, you should have his job. That's how most organizations do it, except the Reds. Frazier would be in A ball if he was with another organization.

texasdave
08-20-2007, 11:56 AM
How often do prospects skip levels by showing well in Spring Training? I don't think it is as important where Frazier ends 2007, as it is where he begins 2008.

dougdirt
08-20-2007, 12:04 PM
The Northwest League is a short season league just like the Pioneer League.

short season yes, rookie ball, no. The NWL is Class A.

dougdirt
08-20-2007, 12:05 PM
How often do prospects skip levels by showing well in Spring Training? I don't think it is as important where Frazier ends 2007, as it is where he begins 2008.

It happened once this year with Danny Dorn.

IslandRed
08-20-2007, 12:29 PM
I think their philosophy is, for a guy who's just been drafted and can only play a couple of months, the adjustment to pro ball and wood bats is enough to deal with. Let them settle in, have some success, make some adjustments, treat it as a break-in period. I don't know that I disagree with it, especially since the Reds don't have a short-season A-ball team as an intermediate step between Billings and Dayton.

BRM
08-20-2007, 02:59 PM
From Jamie Ramsey, per C. Trent's blog.


JUAN FRANCISCO: Like Votto, Dayton’s Juan Francisco is hotter than two grizzly bears fighting in a forest fire…Yesterday vs. Lansing he became the second player in Dragons history to belt 3 homers in a game (Wily Mo Pena) and the third to drive in 7 runs (Votto and Adam Dunn)…In 3 games over the weekend, Francisco batted .538 (7-for-13) with 4 homers, 6 runs and 12 RBI…He ranks T1st in the Midwest League with 21 HR and T2nd with 80 RBI.