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Matt700wlw
08-22-2007, 04:29 PM
Thanks to Lance for doing the calculations, while I did other work :D

1st batter retired %

Coutlanges (37-57) - 65%

Coffey (29-48) - 60%

Stanton (33-55) - 60%

Burton (18-32) - 56% - I think his is improving as we speak..

Weathers (36-55) - 65%




Inherited runners/scored %

Coutlanges (49-11) - 22%

Coffey (39-18) - 46%

Stanton (41-14) - 34%

Burton (16-3) - 18%

Weathers (27-8) - 30%




Judging by this (and not ERA)...Coutlanges should be up here.

Found it interesting.

paulrichjr
08-22-2007, 04:36 PM
Are you saying that Krivs is full of poo? It sounds like that is what you are saying.

camisadelgolf
08-22-2007, 04:43 PM
It seemed to me like Coutlangus was falling into some bad habits (he had been walking a lot of people right before being sent down), so he was sent down to work on stuff so he wasn't working out the kings while with the Reds. If he has the options, why not use them?

Matt700wlw
08-22-2007, 04:43 PM
Are you saying that Krivs is full of poo? It sounds like that is what you are saying.

Either that or he really thinks the fans aren't very intelligent and will take everything he says as gospel...

Matt700wlw
08-22-2007, 04:44 PM
It seemed to me like Coutlangus was falling into some bad habits (he had been walking a lot of people right before being sent down), so he was sent down to work on stuff so he wasn't working out the kings while with the Reds. If he has the options, why not use them?

His last 5 apperances as a Red, he didn't walk a batter

Matt700wlw
08-22-2007, 04:44 PM
It seemed to me like Coutlangus was falling into some bad habits (he had been walking a lot of people right before being sent down), so he was sent down to work on stuff so he wasn't working out the kings while with the Reds. If he has the options, why not use them?

I'd rather use the options when he really is struggling...

camisadelgolf
08-22-2007, 04:47 PM
True, but over his last seven IP, he had walked eight hitters. Don't get me wrong--I like Coutlangus--but when you combine has last several Reds outings with his recent performances with the Bats, you might have to wonder if there's something wrong with his mechanics or something.

As a Bat this year:
6 G
5.2 IP
10 H
8 ER
4 BB
12.71 ERA

RedLegSuperStar
08-22-2007, 04:52 PM
Coutlangus may or may not should be up here.. but his Louisville numbers have me wondering otherwise..

Marcus McBeth is the one who deserves the recall in my opinion...

nate
08-22-2007, 04:53 PM
Thanks to Lance for doing the calculations, while I did other work :D

1st batter retired %

Coutlanges (37-57) - 65%

Coffey (29-48) - 60%

Stanton (33-55) - 60%

Burton (18-32) - 56% - I think his is improving as we speak..

Weathers (36-55) - 65%




Inherited runners/scored %

Coutlanges (49-11) - 22%

Coffey (39-18) - 46%

Stanton (41-14) - 34%

Burton (16-3) - 18%

Weathers (27-8) - 30%




Judging by this (and not ERA)...Coutlanges should be up here.

Found it interesting.

But that's not the reason he's in Louisville. Wayne even said why he's there in his interview today. It has to do with Cooter letting guys get on base.

He's allowed baserunners in 26 of his 40 appearances.

That's why he's there.

Sea Ray
08-22-2007, 04:56 PM
I think this is a wake up call for Cout and maybe they feel Ted Power can do more for him right now than Tom Hume.

membengal
08-22-2007, 04:57 PM
Interesting stuff from McAlister, actually. All we have to go by are Wayne's words, and his words today are odd in light of the actual facts.

Matt700wlw
08-22-2007, 04:59 PM
I think this is a wake up call for Cout and maybe they feel Ted Power can do more for him right now than Tom Hume.

I wouldn't mind going that direction, anyway.

BRM
08-22-2007, 05:04 PM
But that's not the reason he's in Louisville. Wayne even said why he's there in his interview today. It has to do with Cooter letting guys get on base.

He's allowed baserunners in 26 of his 40 appearances.

That's why he's there.

Yep. It's much better to allow extra-base hits ala Mike Stanton.

Sea Ray
08-22-2007, 05:04 PM
I wouldn't mind going that direction, anyway.

I hear ya. For what it's worth, I think the best pitching coach in the organization is in Chattanooga, Grant Jackson

Matt700wlw
08-22-2007, 05:10 PM
I hear ya. For what it's worth, I think the best pitching coach in the organization is in Chattanooga, Grant Jackson

It may not be a bad idea to keep your best pitching coach down there to mold younger players...

Reds1
08-22-2007, 06:20 PM
I think this is a wake up call for Cout and maybe they feel Ted Power can do more for him right now than Tom Hume.

I was telling someone the other day. Maybe the problem is Tom Hume. If Ted Power is so great than why is he not up here.

flyer85
08-22-2007, 06:25 PM
I really wonder if the FO actually looks to see if objective data backs up their subjective perceptions.

LincolnparkRed
08-22-2007, 06:28 PM
I really wonder if the FO actually looks to see if objective data backs up their subjective perceptions.

why let facts get in the way of feelings??