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nate
08-24-2007, 12:43 PM
Hey, here's (http://www.mlb4u.com/freeagency.php) a list of free agents.

Anyone you like?

Who are the real "sleeper" guys out there?

Who do you think we'll get?

Let's try to keep it free of ridicule until page 3!

flyer85
08-24-2007, 12:51 PM
Affeldt, Clement(if healthy - one year deal)

nate
08-24-2007, 03:38 PM
Affeldt, Clement(if healthy - one year deal)

Do you think Affeldt would be better than Bray and Cooter?

bucksfan2
08-24-2007, 04:38 PM
The guy I would want to see the reds make a run at is Jennings. I know he has been hurt this year and has a bad year but the guy had a huge upside in colorado and had actually pitched pretty well there last year. The Astro's thought a lot of him giving up what they did.

RedLegSuperStar
08-24-2007, 04:52 PM
As of now i'd look at Wade Miller, Joe Kennedy, and Tomo Ohka.. sign them through the rest of the year and hope they eat some innings..

flyer85
08-24-2007, 05:02 PM
The guy I would want to see the reds make a run at is Jennings. I know he has been hurt this year and has a bad year but the guy had a huge upside in colorado and had actually pitched pretty well there last year. The Astro's thought a lot of him giving up what they did.with his recent injury(torn elbow tendon), I would pass.

nate
08-24-2007, 05:27 PM
with his recent injury(torn elbow tendon), I would pass.

Same here.

RedLegSuperStar
08-24-2007, 07:02 PM
MLBTradeRumors.com -


Presenting...your 2008 free agent class.

Of course, some of these players will be signed or retired before reaching free agency. I've changed the post to categorize them by position; the player's 2008 age is in parentheses. If I saw someone as a possibility at more than one position I put them at both. I'll keep this post updated throughout the season and make it a permanent sidebar link.

Updated 8-23-07

Catchers
Brad Ausmus (39)
Michael Barrett (31)
Ramon Castro (32)
Jason Kendall (34)
Paul Lo Duca (36)
Jorge Posada (36)
Jose Molina (33)
Ivan Rodriguez (36) - $13MM club option for '08
Yorvit Torrealba (30)

First basemen
Sean Casey (34)
Tony Clark (36)
Adam Dunn (28) - $13MM club option for '08
Darin Erstad (34) - $3.5MM club option for '08
Scott Hatteberg (38) - $1.85MM club option for '08
Ryan Klesko (37)
Mike Lamb (33)
Doug Mientkiewicz (34)

Second basemen
Luis Castillo (32)
Damion Easley (38)
Marcus Giles (30) - $4MM club option for '08
Tadahito Iguchi (33)
Mark Loretta (37)
Kaz Matsui (32)
Jose Valentin (38)

Shortstops
David Eckstein (33)
Cesar Izturis (28) - $5.45MM club option for '08
Juan Uribe (29) - $5MM club option for '08
Omar Vizquel (41)

Third basemen
Pedro Feliz (33)
Mike Lamb (32)
Mike Lowell (34)
Alex Rodriguez (32) - Has ability to opt out of contract after season

Left fielders
Moises Alou (42) - $7.5MM club option for '08
Barry Bonds (43)
Milton Bradley (30)
Adam Dunn (28) - $13MM club option for '08; becomes free agent after season if traded
Cliff Floyd (35) - mutual option for '08
Luis Gonzalez (40)
Geoff Jenkins (33) - $9MM club option for '08
Reggie Sanders (40)
Shannon Stewart (34)
Brad Wilkerson (31)

Center fielders
Milton Bradley (30)
Mike Cameron (35)
Darin Erstad (34) - $3.5MM club option for '08
Torii Hunter (32)
Andruw Jones (31)
Kenny Lofton (41)
Corey Patterson (28)
Aaron Rowand (30)

Right fielders
Bobby Abreu (34) - $16MM club option for '08
Milton Bradley (30)
Kosuke Fukudome (31)
Shawn Green (35) - $10MM club option for '08
Jose Guillen (32) - $9MM club option for '08
Geoff Jenkins (33) - $9MM club option for '08
Trot Nixon (34)
Reggie Sanders (40)

DHs
Barry Bonds (43)
Mike Piazza (39)
Sammy Sosa (39)
Mike Sweeney (34)

Starting pitchers
Tony Armas (30) - $5MM mutual option for '08
Kris Benson (33) - $7.5MM club option for '08
Paul Byrd (37) - $8MM club option for '08
Shawn Chacon (30)
Roger Clemens (46)
Matt Clement (33)
Bartolo Colon (35)
Josh Fogg (31)
Casey Fossum (30)
Freddy Garcia (32)
Tom Glavine (42) - $9MM player option for '08
Livan Hernandez (33)*
Jason Jennings (29)
Joe Kennedy (29)
Byung-Hyun Kim (29)
Brian Lawrence (32)
Jon Lieber (38)
Kyle Lohse (29)
Rodrigo Lopez (32)
Greg Maddux (42) - $8.75MM player option or $11MM club option for '08
Eric Milton (32)
Tomo Ohka (32)
Russ Ortiz (34)
Odalis Perez (31) - $9MM club option for '08
Andy Pettitte (36) - $16MM player option for '08
Joel Pineiro (29)
Kenny Rogers (43)
Curt Schilling (41)
Carlos Silva (29)
Julian Tavarez (35) - $3.85MM club option for '08
John Thomson (34)
Brett Tomko (35) - $4.5MM mutual option for '08
Steve Trachsel (37) - $4.75MM club option for '08
Koji Uehara (33)
Jeff Weaver (31)
David Wells (45)
Kip Wells (31)
Randy Wolf (31) - $9MM club option for '08
Jamey Wright (34)
Jaret Wright (32)

Closers
Armando Benitez (35)
Joe Borowski (37) - $4MM club option for '08
Francisco Cordero (33)
Octavio Dotel (32) - $5.5MM mutual option for '08
Eric Gagne (32)
Jason Isringhausen (35) - $8MM club option for '08
Todd Jones (40)
Al Reyes (37) - $1MM club option for '08
Mariano Rivera (38)
Bob Wickman (39)

Middle relievers
Jeremy Affeldt (29)
Antonio Alfonseca (36)
LaTroy Hawkins (35)
Jorge Julio (29)
Joe Kennedy (29)
Scott Linebrink (31)
Troy Percival (39)
David Riske (31) - $2.85MM club option for '08
Russ Springer (39)
Julian Tavarez (35) - $3.85MM club option for '08
Mike Timlin (42)
Luis Vizcaino (31)
Kerry Wood (31)

* or something

AtomicDumpling
08-25-2007, 12:44 AM
I would go after Francisco Cordero, Eric Gagne, Scott Linebrink, and Mariano Rivera. They would be very expensive of course. These are the guys that every team will go after, which means they will end up in New York, Boston, Chicago or Los Angeles instead of Cincinnati.

I chose to only mention guys whose club's don't hold an option. If they are any good their club will pick up the option given how scarce quality pitching is around the league.

The list of free agents is not very good at all. It is depressing actually.

If anybody still thinks it might be a good idea to ditch Adam Dunn so we can spend his money on these chumps, you might want to reconsider.

fearofpopvol1
08-25-2007, 12:55 AM
While a lot of those pitchers on that list aren't exactly sexy, many of them would be an upgrade over our current situation.

mth123
08-25-2007, 04:46 AM
I would go after Francisco Cordero, Eric Gagne, Scott Linebrink, and Mariano Rivera. They would be very expensive of course. These are the guys that every team will go after, which means they will end up in New York, Boston, Chicago or Los Angeles instead of Cincinnati.

I chose to only mention guys whose club's don't hold an option. If they are any good their club will pick up the option given how scarce quality pitching is around the league.

The list of free agents is not very good at all. It is depressing actually.

If anybody still thinks it might be a good idea to ditch Adam Dunn so we can spend his money on these chumps, you might want to reconsider.

I completely agree on the Dunn comment. Bring him back and save money elsewhere (SS, Catcher, Supersub, aging LH Relievers).

I also agree that at least one high caliber reliever is needed. Gagne has been too iffy for his cost though and as you say he won't likely agree to come here. Neither will Rivera.

Linebrink is scary. His K/9 really dropped and he has some fly ball tendencies that lead me to believe that the park in SD had a lot to do with his success. His away ERAs in 2005 and 2006 are reasonable and don't support the contention that the park was a huge factor, but his BABIP on the Road was .198 in 2005 and a still low .278 in 2006. His FIP for 2007 is 5.58 and I think GABP would be a poor fit. All signs point to a guy ready to take a steep fall in performance and I'd let some one else pay for that.

I Like the idea of Cordero and he'd be on my short list.

Another option might be Joe Nathan. He has a 2008 option for $6 Million. There has been talk that Minnesota just might let him walk and let the younger arms take over (Neshek, Crain, Morlan, etc.) - saving that money to try and re-up Santana and Hunter. If so, his past with Krivsky may give the Reds a shot. In this market the Twins should probably invoke the option and try for a trade, but he'd be my top target if he hits the market. Cordero is my second choice.

With Livigston's injury, the Reds probably need to bring in at least one starter (they probably needed to anyway). There are no top guys and the middle guys will just cost too much. I wouldn't give out any Milton type deals which is what some of these suspects (Lohse, Silva, Wolf, etc.) will probably get. Maybe the Reds should go cheap and bring in some more guys like Victor Santos was in 2007. They could get a head start with Fossum, Tomko, Kennedy and Kim all available right now. They may need these guys to get through the year. Tomko has an FIP of 4.58. Sadly, he'd be the number 3 on this staff.

GAC
08-25-2007, 04:54 AM
I have to say that the list of starting pitchers possibly available doesn't look promising. Not much at all really stands out to me.

GAC
08-25-2007, 05:05 AM
Linebrink is scary. His K/9 really dropped and he has some fly ball tendencies that lead me to believe that the park in SD had a lot to do with his success. His away ERAs in 2005 and 2006 are reasonable and don't support the contention that the park was a huge factor, but his BABIP on the Road was .198 in 2005 and a still low .278 in 2006. His FIP for 2007 is 5.58 and I think GABP woud be a poor fit. All signs point to a guy ready to take a steep fall in performance and I'd let some one else pay for that.

I thoroughly agree. Milwaukee really paid a high price (young arms) for the likes of Linebrick.

I gleaned this from ESPN Insider on that deal....


Scott Linebrink (javascript:newWin('http://insider.espn.go.com/mlb/players/fantasy?statsId=6455')), RP, MIL

One of baseball's elite relievers since 2004, Linebrink has been on the trade market for a couple of years now. The Padres finally shipped him out to the Brewers, who already have closer Francisco Cordero (javascript:newWin('http://insider.espn.go.com/mlb/players/fantasy?statsId=6300')). Can he keep up his production in new surroundings?

Adam: Unreal. The scariest Linebrink stats one can bring up are his home and away splits for this season: a 2.10 ERA and 0.90 WHIP at home, but a bloated 5.75 ERA and 1.62 WHIP on the road. Linebrink is a fly ball pitcher, and as we have seen with Chris Young (javascript:newWin('http://insider.espn.go.com/mlb/players/fantasy?statsId=7412')) this season, there might not be a more favorable place than Petco for a fly ball pitcher to pitch. The turnover rate for relievers is quite high, and Linebrink already has showed some signs of decline -- his strikeout rate is absurdly low (5.0 K/9). Quite honestly, Linebrink might be about to blow, and it looks like a great idea to sell him off to another team before that happens. Besides, the Padres have a new Linebrink anyway in Heath Bell (javascript:newWin('http://insider.espn.go.com/mlb/players/fantasy?statsId=7418')).

Will: Unreal. Adam has hit this one on the head. Petco has masked Linebrink's real 2007, the one in which his control, home run rate and especially strikeout rate have slipped considerably. Unless he has been hiding an injury, there is evidence of serious skills decline here. Linebrink's home run percentage on fly balls might be artificially high, but there's no visible excuse for the lack of strikeouts. Linebrink's peripherals paint a picture of a reliever who's no more than a shell of his former self. The road numbers Adam quotes above tell the real tale, and this is one trade the Brewers probably are going to regret.

camisadelgolf
08-25-2007, 05:29 AM
I have no idea who Koji Uehara is, but I think he looks like the best option amongst the starting pitchers.

GAC
08-25-2007, 06:11 AM
I have no idea who Koji Uehara is, but I think he looks like the best option amongst the starting pitchers.

No way the Brennaman's, let alone Brantley, could pronounce that name on air. :cool:

RedsBaron
08-25-2007, 07:52 AM
If anybody still thinks it might be a good idea to ditch Adam Dunn so we can spend his money on these chumps, you might want to reconsider.

:thumbup:

nate
08-25-2007, 08:28 AM
How about Aaron Rowand?

*Trade Votto for pitching
*Dunn to 1st
*Griffey / Rowand / Hamilton in the outfield

Radical!

Always Red
08-25-2007, 08:40 AM
How about Aaron Rowand?

*Trade Votto for pitching
*Dunn to 1st
*Griffey / Rowand / Hamilton in the outfield

Radical!

I like Rowand; his gritty, hard-nosed style of play would be a big hit here in Cincinnati. He's RH'd, which is helpful with all the LH hitters we currently have.

How did Votto go from champ to chump so quickly? He was all that until I read on CTrent's blog that Kriv and the FO think he will be a AAAA player. That's the only place I've read that, and it's spread like wildfire, that's for sure. I'm not against trading anyone, and I'd rather trade Votto than lose Dunn, that's for sure. In the end, I'd be OK with a Votto trade for some good, young pitching.

Can Dunn play 1B? O'B was going to groom him for that, and then Castellini bought the team, fired Dan O'B, brought on Kriv, who signed Dunn to the contract and then brought Hatty in and put AD back out into LF.

If Dunn has: A. the desire and B. the ability, to play 1B, then heck yeah, that solves a lot of problems. Dunn seems to struggle more with balls on the ground, especially to his right, than he does with balls in the air. That makes me wonder if he can be an average 1B. IIRC, scouting reports in the past have said Dunn was far better in LF than he was when he tried his hand at 1B. :eek:

nate
08-25-2007, 08:55 AM
I like Rowand; his gritty, hard-nosed style of play would be a big hit here in Cincinnati. He's RH'd, which is helpful with all the LH hitters we currently have.

How did Votto go from champ to chump so quickly? He was all that until I read on CTrent's blog that Kriv and the FO think he will be a AAAA player. That's the only place I've read that, and it's spread like wildfire, that's for sure. I'm not against trading anyone, and I'd rather trade Votto than lose Dunn, that's for sure. In the end, I'd be OK with a Votto trade for some good, young pitching.

Can Dunn play 1B? O'B was going to groom him for that, and then Castellini bought the team, fired Dan O'B, brought on Kriv, who signed Dunn to the contract and then brought Hatty in and put AD back out into LF.

If Dunn has: A. the desire and B. the ability, to play 1B, then heck yeah, that solves a lot of problems. Dunn seems to struggle more with balls on the ground, especially to his right, than he does with balls in the air. That makes me wonder if he can be an average 1B. IIRC, scouting reports in the past have said Dunn was far better in LF than he was when he tried his hand at 1B. :eek:

I think Votto is awesome and would love to have him on the Reds. However, I also feel that he's our most valuable trading chip. A lot of dominoes have to line up in this plan but I think it improves the offense and defense (at least in the outfield).

I don't know about Dunn's willingness to play 1st but it seems like he played there a few times earlier in his career and it wasn't the end of the world. Jeremy Giambi played a "don't hit to me!" outfield for the A's...I'm sure Dunn can play a potato chip handed first. It sure would make a lot of things on the team easier.

It may be pure fantasy.

KronoRed
08-25-2007, 01:28 PM
How about Aaron Rowand?

*Trade Votto for pitching
*Dunn to 1st
*Griffey / Rowand / Hamilton in the outfield

Radical!

Where does that leave Hat? we must have him in the lineup :cool:

nate
08-25-2007, 01:46 PM
Where does that leave Hat? we must have him in the lineup :cool:

On the bench. That's another added benefit: a guy who gets on base and takes a lot of pitches coming off the bench.

Always Red
08-25-2007, 01:50 PM
On the bench. That's another added benefit: a guy who gets on base and takes a lot of pitches coming off the bench.

I think Hat could PH until he's 42. Problem is, the only place he can play the field is 1B, since he can't throw at all. He may need to move back to the AL to extend his career further than next year.