8/27/07 - Minor League Updates

[Prf15]

Bats lineup for tonight:

Dickerson - RF
Janish - SS
Votto - 1B
Herr - 3B
Bruce - CF
Bellhorn - DH
Hanigan - C
Machado - LF
Bolivar - 2B

Victor Santos is pitching.

[Prf15]

Lecure is pitching for the Lookouts.

1 IP, 1 H, 0 BB, 0 ER, 0 K

[Prf15]

Jordan Tata struck out the first 4 Lousville batters he faced.

Votto: 0-1, K
Bruce: 0-1

Santos: 2 IP, 2 H, 0 BB, 0 ER, 1 K

[FIRELEFT]

Bruce: 1-2 double rbi

[OnBaseMachine]

77th XBH for Bruce.

[Grande Donkey]

Jay Bruce has more XBHs than anyone playing proffesional baseball in the US

[OnBaseMachine]

GCL Reds lost 5-1.

Mesoraco went 2-for-3 with two singles.

Chiu: 3 IP, 2 H, 0 ER, 1 BB, 3 K

[dougdirt]

Jay Bruce doubles again. 2-4 with 2 doubles and an RBI.

[OnBaseMachine]

Jay Bruce doubles again. 2-4 with 2 doubles and an RBI.

Who is Jay Bruce? Is this somebody I should know about or something?

[FIRELEFT]

You know this Bruce kid just might be something special.

[dougdirt]

Who is Jay Bruce? Is this somebody I should know about or something?

You mean this guy?
http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g66/dougdirt/jaybrucefuturesgame.jpg

Nope, don't worry about him. :thumbup:

[LoganBuck]

Does Bruce get a call up Aug 31 or Sept 1?

[dougdirt]

Does Bruce get a call up Aug 31 or Sept 1?

If I had to bet, I would put money on neither. He won't get the call this year. The Reds won't make a 40 man roster move just because. Its not their style.

[LoganBuck]

doug, who do you see getting the calls then Aug 31 or Sept 1? It is fun to at least talk about playoff rosters isn't it?

[DntKnw]

You know this Bruce kid just might be something special.

cbssportsline.com has this piece today about the '05 draft and who is already in the majors . . .

http://www.sportsline.com/mlb/story/10319067/1

It's Maybin, Upton, Tulowitzki, Braun, Gordon, Zimmerman, Garza & Pelphrey.

I can't wait to see how Bruce stacks up . . . better than them all?

[OnBaseMachine]

Brandon Waring just homered AGAIN.

He's now homered four times in the past three games and seven times in his last nine games. Last night he homered twice plus flew out to the wall in CF, just missing a 3-HR game.

[dougdirt]

No one ever questioned the kids power. Outside of that two week stretch he has killed the ball all year.

[dougdirt]

Louisville won 3-2. Jon Coutlangus got the win after striking out 4 in 2.1 innings.

[Az. Reds Fan]

Waring just hit his 2nd of the night, 16th on the year...WOW

Mabey he gets his 3 HR game tonight

[OnBaseMachine]

Unreal. He did it again. That's eight (8) homers in his last nine games. Eight homers in 33 atbats.

[flyer85]

Jon Coutlangus got the win after striking out 4 in 2.1 innings.too bad he can't get the first batter out.

[corkedbat]

doug, who do you see getting the calls then Aug 31 or Sept 1? It is fun to at least talk about playoff rosters isn't it?


Not Doug, but I'll guess Votto, Coffee, McBeth, Salmon and Coutlangus. I think they'll load up the pen and everyone will get chances to make one last impression this year.

I'd personally cut Stanton loose before 8/31 and add Coutlangus, but that's just me and it won't happen.

I think they hang on to Jorgenson as a third catcher whem Ross comes back too. Seems like I'm forgetting someone else, but not sure.

[Screwball]

Unreal. He did it again. That's eight (8) homers in his last nine games. Eight homers in 33 atbats.

Cold blooded rally killing.

Seriously though, great to see yet another prospect in the Reds' system to be excited about. :thumbup:

[Caveat Emperor]

No one ever questioned the kids power. Outside of that two week stretch he has killed the ball all year.

I'm genuinely curious as to what the Reds are going to do with Bruce next year. They have to make room for him and have to let him play every day...somewhere with Griffey, Dunn and Hamilton something has to give. I'm guessing Jr. or Dunn to 1B.

I wonder if Bruce can take the next step -- learning to recognize when he is being pitched around or not being given good pitches and taking the walk. That step will be the difference between Bruce being a great player and Bruce being a superstar in the Pujols form.

[SMcGavin]

Does Bruce get a call up Aug 31 or Sept 1?

Please not the 31st as they are in Indy this weekend, let us Hoosiers get a chance to see him one more time before he hits the bigs!

[reds44]

Not Doug, but I'll guess Votto, Coffee, McBeth, Salmon and Coutlangus. I think they'll load up the pen and everyone will get chances to make one last impression this year.

I'd personally cut Stanton loose before 8/31 and add Coutlangus, but that's just me and it won't happen.

I think they hang on to Jorgenson as a third catcher whem Ross comes back too. Seems like I'm forgetting someone else, but not sure.
I think Dickerson will get the call for pinch running and defensive purposes.

[corkedbat]

I think Dickerson will get the call for pinch running and defensive purposes.

That's who I was forgetting. I'd love to see Chris get a look.

[AmarilloRed]

In the interview, Krivsky did not sound like he would bring Bruce up this year. "He was only supposed to be at AAA a short time, but he played himself into staying there" Krivsky was impressed by Bruce, but not enough to call him up in September.

[dougdirt]

In the interview, Krivsky did not sound like he would bring Bruce up this year. "He was only supposed to be at AAA a short time, but he played himself into staying there" Krivsky was impressed by Bruce, but not enough to call him up in September.

I honestly think it has more to do with making a roster move than anything else.

[AmarilloRed]

One question: Does Bruce use up an option if he is called up this year? The rosters expand from 25 to 40, so maybe you could explain to me why they would not make a roster move.

[camisadelgolf]

Tzu-Kai Chiu has been putting up fairly impressive numbers. Does anyone think there's reason to be excited about him? Maybe someone would put him in her/his top Reds prospects list?

http://video.yahoo.com/video/play?vid=423272
http://www.thebaseballcube.com/players/C/Tzu-Kai-Chiu.shtml

[dougdirt]

One question: Does Bruce use up an option if he is called up this year? The rosters expand from 25 to 40, so maybe you could explain to me why they would not make a roster move.

I don't know if it counts as an option or not, although I wouldn't think it does.
The reason they don't make the move is becuase they then would have to DFA someone from the current 40 man roster to make room for Jay, and well that leaves the player open to be picked up by any team that wants him at that point. The Reds probably wouldn't make that type of move just to get a guy onto the roster when they wouldn't play him anyways.

[Superdude]

It's slightly optimistic to do this after a two homer game, but if he played a full major league season, Waring is on pace for over 40 homers and 40 doubles. The K rate is worth keeping an eye on, but how is this guy a 7th rounder? He and Francisco give us two seriously intriguing power prospects at the hot corner. I guess you could even throw Frazier into that mix if you wanted to.

[dougdirt]

Scouts said that Waring had a nice hole in his swing and he is coming from a very small school. Mix them together and he falls to the 7th round.

[Homer Bailey]

dougdirt i want it to be known that I enjoy your posts the most probably on redzone.... you and reds44 are my main sources of information that i trust the most!

[icehole3]

I agree those two guys are a wealth of info, good job guys

[LoganBuck]

One question: Does Bruce use up an option if he is called up this year? The rosters expand from 25 to 40, so maybe you could explain to me why they would not make a roster move.

It is my understanding that it does not use an option to call a player up. It only counts when a player is optioned to the minors, a player like Votto would be "recalled", because he was optioned in spring training. Bruce would be "selected".

[medford]

dougdirt i want it to be known that I enjoy your posts the most probably on redzone.... you and reds44 are my main sources of information that i trust the most!

I concur. Until this recent surge in performance that has left me unsuccessful attempting to push thoughts of a division title out of my head, the minor league forum was about all I read on here.

[Benihana]

He and Francisco give us two seriously intriguing power prospects at the hot corner. I guess you could even throw Frazier into that mix if you wanted to.

Francisco will not be a 3B for very long. He projects to a 1B or corner OF as he progresses through the system. But I agree with your general sentiment, Waring and Frazier are two guys to keep an eye on at the hot corner, and Francisco has true bell tower power.

[Danny Serafini]

It is my understanding that it does not use an option to call a player up. It only counts when a player is optioned to the minors, a player like Votto would be "recalled", because he was optioned in spring training. Bruce would be "selected".

That is 100% correct.

Clearing a 40 man spot shouldn't be a problem, Freel, Castro and Livingston are all out for the year and can be moved to the 60 day DL easily enough. Possibly Lopez as well. In fact I'd expect a couple of guys to get moved to the 60 day soon as the team prepares to set its playoff roster (I can't believe I just typed that).

[Caveat Emperor]

The reason they don't make the move is becuase they then would have to DFA someone from the current 40 man roster to make room for Jay, and well that leaves the player open to be picked up by any team that wants him at that point.

How much longer until the Reds have to clear space on the 40-man for Bruce in order to protect him in the Rule V?

(I can never keep most of this service time stuff straight for minor leaguers)

[dougdirt]

How much longer until the Reds have to clear space on the 40-man for Bruce in order to protect him in the Rule V?

(I can never keep most of this service time stuff straight for minor leaguers)

Several years. It won't matter though, as he will be up way before that day ever rolls around.

[podgejeff_]

Tzu-Kai Chiu has been putting up fairly impressive numbers. Does anyone think there's reason to be excited about him? Maybe someone would put him in her/his top Reds prospects list?

http://video.yahoo.com/video/play?vid=423272
http://www.thebaseballcube.com/players/C/Tzu-Kai-Chiu.shtml

I'd like some more info on this guy too, he looks intriguing, and his numbers seem like they're there based on my horribly untrained eye. Prospects seem to be popping up everywhere for the Reds these days.

[JaxRed]

However, if you call up Bruce in Sep this year, you do burn an option is he is not on the roster next spring (as I assume he will not be). Esentially no reason to bring him up. I'd be shocked if he was.

ETA Jun/July of next season.....

[Stingray]

However, if you call up Bruce in Sep this year, you do burn an option is he is not on the roster next spring (as I assume he will not be). Esentially no reason to bring him up. I'd be shocked if he was.

ETA Jun/July of next season.....

That's exactly the approach I'd take plus you'd like to leave room on the 40 man roster to protect your Rule 5 eligibles and/or select someone(could the Reds get another Burton?). In addition, that approach could extend Bruce's arbitration eligibility one year. All these factors are important considerations especially for a small market team.

The only way I'd bring up Bruce in Sept is if the Reds definitely plan to start him everyday from opening day forward which I seriously doubt..