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Reds Fanatic
08-28-2007, 01:48 PM
Reds Starting Lineup from Trent:


Hopper cf
Keppinger ss
Griffey rf
Phillips 2b
Cantu 1b
Encarnacion 3b
Valentin c
Ellison lf
Ramirez p

Pete said Gonzalez, Ross and Dunn will be playing the second game.


The Pirates lineup:



N. McLouth cf
J. Bautista 3b
F. Sanchez 2b
A. LaRoche 1b
X. Nady rf
J. Bay lf
R. Paulino c
C. Izturis ss
T. Gorzelanny p

membengal
08-28-2007, 01:49 PM
Hamilton won't play the second game either? I know it's two lefties, but, c'mon...

DoogMinAmo
08-28-2007, 01:53 PM
Hamilton won't play the second game either? I know it's two lefties, but, c'mon...

Hopper hardly gets to play anymore, and he is killing lefties. I am sure he will get in as a pinch hitter in one or both.

Heath
08-28-2007, 02:10 PM
Hopper hardly gets to play anymore......

and this is bad, how?

(I know, I took you out of context......apologies)

:D

Danny Serafini
08-28-2007, 02:11 PM
I can't imagine Ellison will get two starts, I'd bet Hamilton starts game 2.

joshnky
08-28-2007, 02:12 PM
I can't imagine Ellison will get two starts, I'd bet Hamilton starts game 2.

Maybe Hopper gets two starts moving to center.

WVRedsFan
08-28-2007, 02:18 PM
Griffey sits in the second game, giving us an outfield of Hopper, Ellison and Dunn? I hope that's a joke. Ellison doesn't deserve to start anywhere anytime. Just play Hamilton regardless.

Matt700wlw
08-28-2007, 02:20 PM
I can't imagine Ellison will get two starts, I'd bet Hamilton starts game 2.

I'm pretty ruffled by him getting one start :p:

BRM
08-28-2007, 02:25 PM
Ellison doesn't deserve to start anywhere anytime. Just play Hamilton regardless.

Especially if the team is "in the race".

WVRedsFan
08-28-2007, 02:29 PM
Especially if the team is "in the race".

Of course, that's debatable. In our minds they are, but I doubt the reality is they are. Whatever that means.

I jsut hate to see guys like Ellison started over Josh Hamilton. He does so much more than hit in a game. It seems there is always one outfielder on the Reds that is clearly a 4th or 5th outfielder that ends up starting that shouldn't.

Matt700wlw
08-28-2007, 02:39 PM
Of course, that's debatable. In our minds they are, but I doubt the reality is they are. Whatever that means.

I jsut hate to see guys like Ellison started over Josh Hamilton. He does so much more than hit in a game. It seems there is always one outfielder on the Reds that is clearly a 4th or 5th outfielder that ends up starting that shouldn't.

Race or not...Josh Hamilton is part of the future....I'm not sure what Jason Ellison is part of...


Oh, and Hamilton is a better baseball player.

mbgrayson
08-28-2007, 02:44 PM
I will be shocked if Ellison plays the second game and Hamilton sits. My prediction for game 2:

Dunn in left, Hamilton in center, and Hopper in right.
Infield: EE at 3rd, Gonzo at short, Phillips at 2nd, and Hatte at 1st, and Ross catching.

I think lefties may have more throuble with Gorzelanny than Maholm. Lefties are only batting .179 off Gorzelanny, and righties hit him at a .270 clip.

Against Maholm, the game 2 starter, lefties hit .230, and righties hit .284.

Therefore, the amazingly logical lineup that Pete is running out there stacks almost all righties against Gorzelanny in game 1, while using more lefties in game 2 against Maholm. It looks like Pete might have taken a little look at the stats! I like that....

flyer85
08-28-2007, 02:55 PM
I really don't get the fascination with Ellison, it is absurd. Playing him over Dunn or Hamilton is like you are trying to lose.

flyer85
08-28-2007, 02:56 PM
I'm not sure what Jason Ellison is part of...

I have a pretty good guess.

dabvu2498
08-28-2007, 03:11 PM
I really don't get the fascination with Ellison, it is absurd. Playing him over Dunn or Hamilton is like you are trying to lose.

They're about to play 10 games in 9 days. And it's still pretty hot out there. Playing your "studs" in all 10 of those games would be akin to the discussion going on in this thread: http://www.redszone.com/forums/showthread.php?t=61945

Now... the argument about him being on the roster in the first place... maybe.

RichRed
08-28-2007, 03:13 PM
I really don't get the fascination with Ellison, it is absurd. Playing him over Dunn or Hamilton is like you are trying to lose.

Amen. Besides, how's Hamilton going to learn to hit lefties...if he's never allowed to hit against lefties?

Ellison is the outfield version of Juan Castro.

Razor Shines
08-28-2007, 03:23 PM
Amen. Besides, how's Hamilton going to learn to hit lefties...if he's never allowed to hit against lefties?

Ellison is the outfield version of Juan Castro.
That may be true but did you really have to put it in those terms? Thanks for ruining my day.

flyer85
08-28-2007, 03:23 PM
They're about to play 10 games in 9 days. And it's still pretty hot out there. Playing your "studs" in all 10 of those games would be akin to the discussion going on in this thread: So no Red should play in all 10 games, I keep an eye out for that.

Eric_Davis
08-28-2007, 03:24 PM
Yankees vs. Red Sox

Angels vs. Mariners

Mets vs. Phillies

Cubs vs. Brewers

Diamondbacks vs. Padres

REDS VS. PIRATES

Great time of the year to have Great Series.

...and the REDS and Pirates are the two hottest clubs of them all. I'd be shocked if the 4-game series finishes anything other than 2-2.

flyer85
08-28-2007, 03:24 PM
Ellison is the outfield version of Juan Castro.excepting that it's even worse when you are an OF that hits like a SS.

NC Reds
08-28-2007, 03:59 PM
Ellison stinks. Now that I have said that he will get two hits. :p:

jesusfan
08-28-2007, 04:44 PM
Bay hitting 6th?

flyer85
08-28-2007, 04:50 PM
Bay hitting 6th?
he has been in a 2 month slump.

Kc61
08-28-2007, 04:58 PM
Amen. Besides, how's Hamilton going to learn to hit lefties...if he's never allowed to hit against lefties?

Ellison is the outfield version of Juan Castro.

I don't agree that lefty hitters should play against all lefties for the purpose of letting them "learn" to hit lefties.

Hamilton is weaker against lefties and having him strike out 7 or 8 times in a double header is not optimal. He may play game two, but this pitcher in game one is very tough on lefties. So it is appropriate to sit Hammy for this game.

It's too bad the Reds don't have some better righty hitters. So, instead, they use Ellison in this game, bat him eighth, maybe he contributes defensively or gets a hit. I'm sure if they had Soriano or Vlad to play left field he would be in there.

flyer85
08-28-2007, 05:03 PM
I'm sure if they had Soriano or Vlad to play left field he would be in there.
I'm sure if they had Cody Ross no one would have a problem with him being in there.

Like I said when they acquired Ellison, he was not a temporary stopgap(as I was assured he would be) the FO actually believes he is a useful player.

Chip R
08-28-2007, 05:04 PM
he has been in a 2 month slump.


He'll come out of it against the Reds.

Matt700wlw
08-28-2007, 05:06 PM
In other action....

Astros take on the Cardinals tonight...

Along with the Brewers and the Cubbies!

Tom Servo
08-28-2007, 05:07 PM
Look at all those Pirates fans behind home plate!

Matt700wlw
08-28-2007, 05:07 PM
Not a soul at PNC park...

HumnHilghtFreel
08-28-2007, 05:07 PM
Attendance at this first game is of Little League proportions.

Matt700wlw
08-28-2007, 05:09 PM
As Chip Carey once said..."a partial sell-out"

Matt700wlw
08-28-2007, 05:12 PM
Attendance at this first game is of Little League proportions.

Expos-like

Tom Servo
08-28-2007, 05:16 PM
BP needs a gold glove.

MississippiRed
08-28-2007, 05:16 PM
1st inning, nothing doing. NoHo 4-3, Kepp 4-3, Griffey K looking.

nate
08-28-2007, 05:17 PM
Wow, what a play by BP!

Matt700wlw
08-28-2007, 05:17 PM
Nice play!

Better hope Arroyo goes 7 or 8, because I can't Lizard making it through the 5th..if that.

Tom Servo
08-28-2007, 05:18 PM
not a hot start.

Caveat Emperor
08-28-2007, 05:18 PM
I'm not an Elizardo Ramirez fan -- never have been, likely never will be. Doesn't do a lot of things well, makes a lot of mistakes in the zone, and can't throw strikes on a consistent basis.

I'll be excited when they finally find better pitching such that they never have to trot him to the mound again.

Matt700wlw
08-28-2007, 05:21 PM
Did I say 5th? I meant 3rd...

:p:

Cyclone792
08-28-2007, 05:21 PM
Ramirez is all over the place right now, and that could put the Reds in a bind given the doubleheader. If he gets yanked early, the bullpen will be destroyed by the end of the night. If he stays in, he's liable to get lit up. This looks to be one of those games where the offense might have to explode in order to pick up a win.

Matt700wlw
08-28-2007, 05:23 PM
Adam Dunn has more RBIs than Jason Bay...


Just sayin'

RedLegSuperStar
08-28-2007, 05:23 PM
I'm not an Elizardo Ramirez fan -- never have been, likely never will be. Doesn't do a lot of things well, makes a lot of mistakes in the zone, and can't throw strikes on a consistent basis.

I'll be excited when they finally find better pitching such that they never have to trot him to the mound again.

I am the same way.. now i'm not ruling out not ever being a fan of Elizardo.. but he gets behind in the count which makes him throw to many pitches early. Especially today on a day your bullpen will definately see some work..

Matt700wlw
08-28-2007, 05:25 PM
Nice comeback

The Baumer
08-28-2007, 05:26 PM
ZONE PREDICTION:

Xavier Nady hits at least 2 home runs today.

Matt700wlw
08-28-2007, 05:27 PM
Javy with some pointers...

RedLegSuperStar
08-28-2007, 05:27 PM
22 pitches for Elizardo.. not a good way to start..

oneupper
08-28-2007, 05:37 PM
Cantu could have had that...

RBA
08-28-2007, 05:48 PM
Junior! with the single!

HumnHilghtFreel
08-28-2007, 05:48 PM
Hopper having trouble staying on his feet today...

Matt700wlw
08-28-2007, 05:49 PM
Griffey and Phillips both at first.

That doesn't work, fellas. :lol:

RBA
08-28-2007, 05:49 PM
geez

membengal
08-28-2007, 05:50 PM
The Pirates' announcers are not describing what just happened in any manner which is intelligible.

I have no idea what just happened.

pedro
08-28-2007, 05:51 PM
The Pirates' announcers are not describing what just happened in any manner which is intelligible.

I have no idea what just happened.

It was a force at second at which point Hopper is free to return to the bag.

membengal
08-28-2007, 05:52 PM
Why a force? Where was the ball hit? They didn't even say that...

HumnHilghtFreel
08-28-2007, 05:52 PM
The Pirates' announcers are not describing what just happened in any manner which is intelligible.

I have no idea what just happened.

Runners on first and second, Phillips hit a flare to the OF which it looked like Nady caught on the fly, he threw to 2nd and it appeared to be a double play, but the ump ruled the ball was caught off a bounce, so since junior didn't run, he was forced out after he and Phillips both stood on first. Really just a bizarre play.

The Baumer
08-28-2007, 05:53 PM
The Reds keep getting extra outs and have nothing to show for it.

membengal
08-28-2007, 05:53 PM
Thanks humn. That fills in the blanks. The Pirates' announcers pretty much took a pass on anything approaching a description of that sequence.

Big Klu
08-28-2007, 06:11 PM
I will be shocked if Ellison plays the second game and Hamilton sits. My prediction for game 2:

Dunn in left, Hamilton in center, and Hopper in right.
Infield: EE at 3rd, Gonzo at short, Phillips at 2nd, and Hatte at 1st, and Ross catching.

I think that either Cantu or Keppinger will be at 1B in Game 2.

edabbs44
08-28-2007, 06:11 PM
When the FO decides it's time to dump some money into this team, a RH bat who kills LHPs should be near the top.

Matt700wlw
08-28-2007, 06:14 PM
Wow...now I want to watch Speed channel!

Matt700wlw
08-28-2007, 06:21 PM
Phillips. Wow.

Cyclone792
08-28-2007, 06:22 PM
Phillips with another nice play at second base, and he's made two or three nice plays already in this game.

As for the Lizard, he's doing better, but he needs to get out of this jam without giving anything up.

BCubb2003
08-28-2007, 06:22 PM
Phillips. Wow.

I need details.

Matt700wlw
08-28-2007, 06:24 PM
That's good.

WVRedsFan
08-28-2007, 06:24 PM
Phillips with another nice play at second base, and he's made two or three nice plays already in this game.

As for the Lizard, he's doing better, but he needs to get out of this jam without giving anything up.

Not being a smart alleck here, but fat chance. Grand slam. Wow.

Cyclone792
08-28-2007, 06:24 PM
And the Lizard loses it just like that. Sanchez hits a two out grand slam, and the Pirates lead 5-0.

Matt700wlw
08-28-2007, 06:25 PM
I need details.

He just continues to dazzle with is glove...dives, throws from his knees...accurately, with something on it.

Gold Glove stuff

RBA
08-28-2007, 06:25 PM
That ball just carried.

OnBaseMachine
08-28-2007, 06:26 PM
Giving up a GS to Sanchez is just sad. What's even sadder is Machanin playing Ellison over Dunn/Hamilton. Way to lose a game before it even started.

CTA513
08-28-2007, 06:27 PM
Some smart pitching by Ramirez this inning.

:roll:

WVRedsFan
08-28-2007, 06:27 PM
With lefty on the mound who has thrown 49 pitches through 4 innings, my guess is the game is pretty much over.

Matt700wlw
08-28-2007, 06:32 PM
The Norris Bunt hasn't worked lately...

PuffyPig
08-28-2007, 06:32 PM
If there was any game in the series we were destined to lose, this was it.

They've got their best starter on the mound and he happens to be in a hot stretch and is left handed. We are a great hitting team vs.right handers but other than Philips, are poor against LH pitchers.

We had a similiar chance against Willis were we trotted out the mostly RH lineup in hopes of countering the LH pitcher who was also death against LH hitters. It worked that time.

We have our worst of our 4 starters going in this series.

The result isn't surprising, but are chances are better in the next 3 games.

edabbs44
08-28-2007, 06:34 PM
Giving up a GS to Sanchez is just sad. What's even sadder is Machanin playing Ellison over Dunn/Hamilton. Way to lose a game before it even started.

It's not like Dunn and Hamilton have been hammering LHPs this season. Questionable? Without a doubt. Losing the game before it even started? Hardly.

Sea Ray
08-28-2007, 06:37 PM
Elizardo Ramirez and a few more just like him are the reason this team isn't going to play .600 ball and win the Central this year.

DoogMinAmo
08-28-2007, 06:37 PM
Gameday has frozen again, update?

Matt700wlw
08-28-2007, 06:38 PM
Elizardo Ramirez and a few more just like him are the reason this team isn't going to play .600 ball and win the Central this year.

That would definitely be their downfall....

If they don't have a good road trip, the dream is probably over.

OnBaseMachine
08-28-2007, 06:38 PM
It's not like Dunn and Hamilton have been hammering LHPs this season. Questionable? Without a doubt. Losing the game before it even started? Hardly.

Jason Ellison or Dunn/Hamilton vs a lefty? I know who I would take.

Sea Ray
08-28-2007, 06:40 PM
Jason Ellison or Dunn/Hamilton vs a lefty? I know who I would take.

That would be true no matter who's on the mound but Dunn does need a day off every now and then.

Matt700wlw
08-28-2007, 06:41 PM
That would be true no matter who's on the mound but Dunn does need a day off every now and then.

Not to nitpick, but they just had one :D

Matt700wlw
08-28-2007, 06:41 PM
This was a good idea...

Chip R
08-28-2007, 06:42 PM
Bay just went deep.

RBA
08-28-2007, 06:42 PM
Another ball that carried. Check the bats for cork!

Sea Ray
08-28-2007, 06:42 PM
Not to nitpick, but they just had one :D

Sure but we both know Dunn's not getting the whole night off.

WVRedsFan
08-28-2007, 06:42 PM
That would be true no matter who's on the mound but Dunn does need a day off every now and then.

Not as long as you have dreams of the post-season and are on a roll, IMHO. You play your best everyday until you're out of it. It's not like Dunn or Hamilton is tired. And we need offense as we see the score of 6-1 now. Ellison and Hopper are not going to give us offense.

But, it really doesn't matter. It would be nice for the fans if the team were to come close, though.

Matt700wlw
08-28-2007, 06:43 PM
Another ball that carried. Check the bats for cork!

Didn't myth busters prove that wrong?

WVRedsFan
08-28-2007, 06:44 PM
Strange fact...the Pirates (I rufuse to call them the Bucks--I hate FSNP) have hit 7 more HRs than the Reds in August.

HumnHilghtFreel
08-28-2007, 06:48 PM
Cantu just roped that one out of there.

Matt700wlw
08-28-2007, 06:48 PM
Yes he Cantu!

:jump:

OnBaseMachine
08-28-2007, 06:49 PM
Cantu's first homer as a Red makes it 6-2.

Matt700wlw
08-28-2007, 06:52 PM
Ellison a whopping 1 for 13 since being obtained...

Cyclone792
08-28-2007, 06:52 PM
Encarnacion follows Cantu's homer with a single, and Valentin walks. Runners on 1st and 2nd with nobody out and Ellison up now. I'd say it's time for Ellison to actually do something productive offensively for once while in a Reds uniform.

HumnHilghtFreel
08-28-2007, 06:53 PM
Ellison showing off his warning-track power:cool:

Matt700wlw
08-28-2007, 06:53 PM
Make it 1 for 14

OnBaseMachine
08-28-2007, 06:53 PM
It would've been nice to actually had a hitter up there.

edabbs44
08-28-2007, 06:55 PM
Jason Ellison or Dunn/Hamilton vs a lefty? I know who I would take.

Oh, I agree 100%. But odds are Hamilton wouldn't do much vs Gorz anyway. Potentially Dunn as well, since he isn't exactly lighting the world on fire vs LHPs this season.

I think Dunn should be starting vs Gorz and Ellison should be starting for the LI Ducks.

Matt700wlw
08-28-2007, 06:55 PM
It's rather painful to think that Jason Ellison is here, which keeps a Joey Votto or a Jay Bruce in Louisville...

flyer85
08-28-2007, 06:57 PM
kinda sad to have to see an inning die on the bats of Ellison, Gonzo and Hopper.

OnBaseMachine
08-28-2007, 06:57 PM
Did Norris Hopper even swing at a strike in that atbat? I saw him swing at at least two at his eyes. I can't stand watching hitters do that.

The Reds let that inning die on the hands of three near automatic outs.

HumnHilghtFreel
08-28-2007, 06:58 PM
Lots of missed opportunities in this game.

edabbs44
08-28-2007, 06:58 PM
It's rather painful to think that Jason Ellison is here, which keeps a Joey Votto or a Jay Bruce in Louisville...

Not really...Bruce and/or Votto wouldn't see much time vs RHPs, b/c of the presence of Hatte, Dunn, Hamilton and Griffey. They should be still in Louisville the way the roster is currently structured.

CTA513
08-28-2007, 06:59 PM
Did Norris Hopper even swing at a strike in that atbat? I saw him swing at at least two at his eyes. I can't stand watching hitters do that.

The Reds let that inning die on the hands of three near automatic outs.

Probably every pitch that Hopper swings at around his chest ends up as a pop up in the stands.

Matt700wlw
08-28-2007, 07:03 PM
More of the Brandon Phillips Gold Glove show!

HumnHilghtFreel
08-28-2007, 07:03 PM
Wow... Phillips is an out machine... on the right side of the ball.

DoogMinAmo
08-28-2007, 07:08 PM
Fearless prediciton: The Reds score at least two runs this inning.

I have a feeling the offense will eventually come back to be a factor in this game, it is a question as to whether or not the bully keeps the Bucs at 6.

Matt700wlw
08-28-2007, 07:11 PM
Griffey thought he had it.....but it's a long single....and really should've been a double.

HumnHilghtFreel
08-28-2007, 07:12 PM
Junior ends up looking bad there. Put that head down and run.

CTA513
08-28-2007, 07:13 PM
Double turned into a single.

DoogMinAmo
08-28-2007, 07:13 PM
Runners on the corners, 0 out, lefty starter gets chased. Now the Reds' bench becomes a factor.

HumnHilghtFreel
08-28-2007, 07:15 PM
Phillips singles in a run. 2 on none out!

WVRedsFan
08-28-2007, 07:16 PM
Another strange fact...the Pirates still think they are in it, too.

"scoreboard watching" sez the Pirate announcers.

This division really blows.

Matt700wlw
08-28-2007, 07:17 PM
Hatteberg for Cantu...now a Pirate pitching change, lefty coming in.

PuffyPig
08-28-2007, 07:18 PM
Another strange fact...the Pirates still think they are in it, too.

"scoreboard watching" sez the Pirate announcers.

This division really blows.

Hey, I assumed that the Astros made a management change now before they fell out of the race.

Matt700wlw
08-28-2007, 07:20 PM
6-4 now

Here we go!!

HumnHilghtFreel
08-28-2007, 07:20 PM
Fearless prediciton: The Reds score at least two runs this inning.


How about a trip to Vegas? ;)

NC Reds
08-28-2007, 07:25 PM
Nice AB Judy. :thumbdown

Matt700wlw
08-28-2007, 07:25 PM
I mean really...what exactly does Ellison add?

WVRedsFan
08-28-2007, 07:26 PM
Ellison 1-15 now. Why is he even on this team?

Always Red
08-28-2007, 07:26 PM
I mean really...what exactly does Ellison add?

AAAA depth.

WVRedsFan
08-28-2007, 07:27 PM
AAAA depth.
I beg to differ. AA at best.

OnBaseMachine
08-28-2007, 07:27 PM
Horrible managing there by Pete Mac. Letting Ellison hit in a close game? Bad decision.

NC Reds
08-28-2007, 07:29 PM
I don't understand why Dickerson wasn't given a shot before Ellison. How many organizations does Ellison have to filter through before he returns to full-time AAA duty?

WVRedsFan
08-28-2007, 07:30 PM
I don't understand why Dickerson wasn't given a shot before Ellison. How many organizations does Ellison have to filter through before he returns to full-time AAA duty?

Krivsky appears attracted to players like Ellison and Hopper. Banjo-hitting speedsters.

Always Red
08-28-2007, 07:30 PM
Just for the record, I'd like to point out that it is no coincidence that the Reds overall record has improved with each member of the team who has switched to wearing the reds socks again.

If a few of them start wearing the old stirrups and sanitary hose, they can start printing playoff tickets.

WVRedsFan
08-28-2007, 07:33 PM
Just for the record, I'd like to point out that it is no coincidence that the Reds overall record has improved with each member of the team who has switched to wearing the reds socks again.

If a few of them start wearing the old stirrups and sanitary hose, they can start printing playoff tickets.

I sure like the look of the "hose" and stirrups better than the long solid socks. Looks stupid to me.

flyer85
08-28-2007, 07:34 PM
Horrible managing there by Pete Mac. Letting Ellison hit in a close game? Bad decision.with Cantu swinging a hot bat I would have let Cantu hit since you knew Grabow would face Hatty.

DoogMinAmo
08-28-2007, 07:36 PM
Hopper up, over/under on a bunt?

flyer85
08-28-2007, 07:37 PM
Mac hasn't done a very good job. My guess is the game ends and Dunn never comes to the plate. He hit a ball of Grabow between the stacks last year.

WVRedsFan
08-28-2007, 07:37 PM
with Cantu swinging a hot bat I would have let Cantu hit since you knew Grabow would face Hatty.

Hatteberg is a favorite of this organization while Cantu is the new kid on the block, thus the change. Batting Hatt against a lefty (which was sure to come) just means you've burned a hot hitter you didn't mean to burn.

flyer85
08-28-2007, 07:37 PM
Hopper up, over/under on a bunt?not with a RHP on the mound

DoogMinAmo
08-28-2007, 07:38 PM
Mac hasn't done a very good job. My guess is the game ends and Dunn never comes to the plate. He hit a ball of Grabow between the stacks last year.

FWIW, Dunn was on deck to bat with runners on when Ellison GO.

flyer85
08-28-2007, 07:39 PM
this has been Narronesque

flyer85
08-28-2007, 07:39 PM
FWIW, Dunn was on deck to bat with runners on when Ellison GO.Pure and simple Dunn should have hit for Ellison right there.

Always Red
08-28-2007, 07:40 PM
Hopper up, over/under on a bunt?

MY question re: Hopper is this: does he bunt so much because no one's figured out how to stop it, or does he bunt so much because he doesn't hit so well? :dunno:

DoogMinAmo
08-28-2007, 07:40 PM
not with a RHP on the mound

I know, but I hoped if I typed it he would actually swing at a pitch, and it worked. :P

DoogMinAmo
08-28-2007, 07:41 PM
MY question re: Hopper is this: does he bunt so much because no one's figured out how to stop it, or does he bunt so much because he doesn't hit so well? :dunno:

A little bit from column A, and a little bit from column B, although I think word has gotten out about how to stop him.

flyer85
08-28-2007, 07:42 PM
BTW, Dunn is 7-21 off of Grabow in his career ... but I'm sure Ellison is better. Hell I'd play him the next game

WVRedsFan
08-28-2007, 07:43 PM
Pure and simple Dunn should have hit for Ellison right there.

Absolutely. The big guy isn't that tired and batting Ellison there was criminal.


this has been Narronesque

Took the words right out of my mouth.

And Tracy's managing this one like game 7 of the World Series. He's going to burn his whole bullpen before this one is over.

flyer85
08-28-2007, 07:44 PM
Pete has been taken to school by Tracy this game ... he has won every matchup.

WVRedsFan
08-28-2007, 07:45 PM
Pete has been taken to school by Tracy this game ... he has won every matchup.

{cough} experience {cough}

flyer85
08-28-2007, 07:45 PM
And Tracy's managing this one like game 7 of the World Series. He's going to burn his whole bullpen before this one is over.at this point you do what you have to win and worry about the next game when it happens. Maybe Tracy won't need his pen next game.

mbgrayson
08-28-2007, 07:45 PM
Eddie G.???? NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

WVRedsFan
08-28-2007, 07:46 PM
Eddie G.???? NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

Ah, Wayne's World. Have to have "my" players in there.

flyer85
08-28-2007, 07:47 PM
{cough} experience {cough}Pete went to Hatty vs grabow(win Tracy), because a lefty was on the mound Pete stayed with Ellison(win Tracy), save marte for Jr(win Tracy) and now has Capps and Pete has his order constructed so Dunn won't bat until the 5th hitter.(win Tracy).

mbgrayson
08-28-2007, 07:48 PM
Izturis flies to left; one down.

(fingers crossed...)

flyer85
08-28-2007, 07:50 PM
so Narronesque because Jerry was always saving something for events that never happened. Pete has his chance to get to the plate as the go ahead run and maybe get him a 2nd AB against Capps in the 9th ... and he passed. :rolleyes:

traderumor
08-28-2007, 07:55 PM
so Narronesque because Jerry was always saving something for events that never happened. Pete has his chance to get to the plate as the go ahead run and maybe get him a 2nd AB against Capps in the 9th ... and he passed. :rolleyes:You must be very frustrated, because there are going to be a lot of games during a season where you hold someone back for a later situation that may never occur. Not exactly a realistic expectation.

flyer85
08-28-2007, 07:58 PM
You must be very frustrated, because there are going to be a lot of games during a season where you hold someone back for a later situation that may never occur. Not exactly a realistic expectation.You take the opportunity when it presents itself(doesn't matter the inning), otherwise you end up like Jerry. I remember a game last year when Wedge caught Narron with his pants down by sending up Hafner in the 4th with the bases loaded. It was the decisive AB in the game and it was the 4th. You take the opportunities when they come, it is as simple as that.

BTW, Pete won't send up Dunn until Ellison anyway, he wasted an AB on Ellision that he should not have. Dunn may bat in the 9th but he could have hit in the 7th and 9th.

Cyclone792
08-28-2007, 07:59 PM
Phillips leads off with a single and now Hatteberg's up. Hopefully Hatteberg is able to reach base safely, though the potential double play is always a problem.

Eric_Davis
08-28-2007, 07:59 PM
We couldn't get the 2-out RBI this afternoon.

0-6 w/ RISP and 2 outs. 7 runners left in scoring position with 2 outs.

RBA
08-28-2007, 08:01 PM
Hatte is jammed. 1 out.

RBA
08-28-2007, 08:03 PM
Edwin is one swing away from tying this up.

traderumor
08-28-2007, 08:04 PM
You take the opportunity when it presents itself(doesn't matter the inning), otherwise you end up like Jerry. I remember a game last year when Wedge caught Narron with his pants down by sending up Hafner in the 4th with the bases loaded. It was the decisive AB in the game and it was the 4th. You take the opportunities when they come, it is as simple as that.

BTW, Pete won't send up Dunn until Ellison anyway, he wasted an AB on Ellision that he should not have. Dunn may bat in the 9th but he could have hit in the 7th and 9th.

Why would that be catching him with his pants down? I would categorize that as a gamble that paid off by the opposing manager. Wedge doesn't manage like that every game. But I would never use an exceptional situation to prove my rule, but that's just me.

Matt700wlw
08-28-2007, 08:06 PM
Here's Dunn!!

RBA
08-28-2007, 08:06 PM
ADAM DUNN UP!

Cyclone792
08-28-2007, 08:06 PM
Dunn's up with two outs and runners on 1st and 3rd after Valentin singles to center.

HumnHilghtFreel
08-28-2007, 08:06 PM
Javy collects big hits like they're pieces of memorabilia.

RBA
08-28-2007, 08:07 PM
ibb?

RBA
08-28-2007, 08:09 PM
0-2. Pirate Tv: Dunn Walks, Homers, Or Strikeouts

flyer85
08-28-2007, 08:09 PM
Here's Dunn!!
to think he could have hit in the 7th and 9th

Matt700wlw
08-28-2007, 08:10 PM
Now Capps can bring some heat...

RBA
08-28-2007, 08:10 PM
He struckout. high heat.

OnBaseMachine
08-28-2007, 08:11 PM
This was one of the worst managed games I have ever seen.

Red in Chicago
08-28-2007, 08:11 PM
Well, we were due to lose...let's just hope the good Bronson shows up later tonight

BoydsOfSummer
08-28-2007, 08:11 PM
Dunn strikes out too much.

Every single at bat this game!

flyer85
08-28-2007, 08:12 PM
Dunn strikes out too much.

Every single at bat this game!he just didn't get enough chances.

flyer85
08-28-2007, 08:13 PM
I wonder if Pete realizes how absurd it was to not PH for Ellison in the 7th.

oneupper
08-28-2007, 08:15 PM
This was one of the worst managed games I have ever seen.

I thought Tracy did OK.

WVRedsFan
08-28-2007, 08:15 PM
I wonder if Pete realizes how absurd it was to not PH for Ellison in the 7th.


No. And almost everyone else, too. Pete's on his honeymoomn. No matter what, Pete is right.

Part of the territory...

redsfan4445
08-28-2007, 08:16 PM
I wish Dunn jumped on that first pitch (a fastball straight and in his wheelhouse)...arrgg

Matt700wlw
08-28-2007, 08:43 PM
Reds need game 2, if they want to continue being "in a race"

Caveat Emperor
08-28-2007, 08:50 PM
Game was over the minute they sent Elizardo Ramirez to the mound. Other than Eric Milton, there is no Reds starter I feel less confident sending out to win a game than him.

He's mediocre in every sense of the word, and the sooner the Reds realize that the better for everyone involved.