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The Snow Chief
08-29-2007, 12:25 AM
I would have thought that surely that answer would be no (and maybe it still is) but he as played SS well defensively in every game I have seen and the sample size is growing larger. What are your thoughts?

Muggerd
08-29-2007, 12:27 AM
I would have thought that surely that answer would be no (and maybe it still is) but he as played SS well defensively in every game I have seen and the sample size is growing larger. What are your thoughts?

He has no range but his bat is pretty valuable. I think id rather have the bat than the defense.

AmarilloRed
08-29-2007, 01:33 AM
I want Keppinger as a starter somewhere; I just do not know if he has the range for shortstop.

Jefferson24
08-29-2007, 11:17 AM
He would be fine at SS. His bat more than makes up for any lack of range. He needs to be our everyday SS next year. We need to unload Alex and his contract.

Ahhhorsepoo
08-29-2007, 11:45 AM
He has no range but his bat is pretty valuable. I think id rather have the bat than the defense.

Keep thinking that and tell me someday how a team with terrible Defense wins a championship.. your ignorance oozes from every orifice, and you lose more credibility as an able bodied citizen by the day.. I know it is your opinion.. but please tell me you are drinking when you say this...

as you can tell us being in the top tier of run scorers the past 5 or 8 years.. obviously have paid off with winning ways.. obviously..

Keppinger should be playing third when gonzo comes back and you package freel and EE to a team that you can talk into taking those two..

Ahhhorsepoo
08-29-2007, 11:47 AM
He would be fine at SS. His bat more than makes up for any lack of range. He needs to be our everyday SS next year. We need to unload Alex and his contract.

If keppinger can hit .350 or higher for a whole season.. he will make more than Gonzalez makes.. soo why not keep gonzo and dump EE?

Muggerd
08-29-2007, 12:35 PM
Keep thinking that and tell me someday how a team with terrible Defense wins a championship.. your ignorance oozes from every orifice, and you lose more credibility as an able bodied citizen by the day.. I know it is your opinion.. but please tell me you are drinking when you say this...

as you can tell us being in the top tier of run scorers the past 5 or 8 years.. obviously have paid off with winning ways.. obviously..

Keppinger should be playing third when gonzo comes back and you package freel and EE to a team that you can talk into taking those two..

We arent talking about terrible D from Keppinger though. He doesnt have range to be an every day SS but its not like hes out there screwing up all the time either.

Jefferson24
08-29-2007, 12:48 PM
I think EE is coming around and I would rather keep him at his price and Have Kep at SS at his price. Kep won't be making Gonzo money anytime real soon.

roby
08-29-2007, 03:23 PM
I think EE is coming around and I would rather keep him at his price and Have Kep at SS at his price. Kep won't be making Gonzo money anytime real soon.

I agree completely. I see no reason to think that Keppinger won't continue to play decent/above average shortstop...and, for the life of me, WHY do some people want to trade Edwin to keep an automatic out like Gonze. Maybe they have horsepoo for brains??? ;)

The Snow Chief
08-29-2007, 04:27 PM
I think EE is coming around and I would rather keep him at his price and Have Kep at SS at his price. Kep won't be making Gonzo money anytime real soon.


Right, he has what two more years at league minimum. It should be 2010 before he is even eligable for arbitration. By then, Gonzo's contract will have expired. Keppinger will be much cheaper than Gonzo, even if he hits .400. If you think he can be average (or maybe even slightly below) at SS, I think you move Gonzo. You don't move EE unless you get good young talent back. He is also cheap relative to production.

Ludwig Reds Fan
08-29-2007, 06:28 PM
Why on earth would you start Keppinger over Gonzo? That makes about as much sense as starting Valentin over Ross.

You go with who produces, and this year, that distinction clearly goes to Gonzo and Ross. I mean sure Kep is tearing the cover off of the ball and is playing good defense too. And sure Valentin is also hitting well and has shown that his defense is not nearly as bad as advertised. If that is what you call "production," then I don't know what to tell you. I see the fear in the eyes of opposing pitchers when Gonzo or Ross step into the batters box. Thats all I need to know. You stay with what works and if it aint broke don't fix it.

DannyB
08-29-2007, 06:39 PM
Why on earth would you start Keppinger over Gonzo? That makes about as much sense as starting Valentin over Ross.

You go with who produces, and this year, that distinction clearly goes to Gonzo and Ross. I mean sure Kep is tearing the cover off of the ball and is playing good defense too. And sure Valentin is also hitting well and has shown that his defense is not nearly as bad as advertised. If that is what you call "production," then I don't know what to tell you. I see the fear in the eyes of opposing pitchers when Gonzo or Ross step into the batters box. Thats all I need to know. You stay with what works and if it aint broke don't fix it.

Ross?? You gotta be kidding.

roby
08-30-2007, 12:58 AM
Ross?? You gotta be kidding.

Yes, dude, I think he WAS kidding!

Orenda
08-30-2007, 08:52 AM
If they are going to start Keppinger, I'd rather give Phillips a shot playing ss and let Kepp man 2nd. Although Im sure the reds don't want to tinker with their one gold glove caliber defender, and I can't say I blame them.

Gary Redus
08-30-2007, 11:14 AM
No. Got to quit over-valuing players, a la Ryan Freel. Keppinger is a nice piece and quality to have on your squad. He's not an everyday shortstop (lack of range). He's not even a given for this level of production on a regular basis. Earlier this year folks were gaga over Brendan Harris' production.

Having said that, I like the younger group of players being assembled - Cantu, Hamilton, Phillips, Keppinger, Edwin.

AmarilloRed
08-30-2007, 01:27 PM
No. Got to quit over-valuing players, a la Ryan Freel. Keppinger is a nice piece and quality to have on your squad. He's not an everyday shortstop (lack of range). He's not even a given for this level of production on a regular basis. Earlier this year folks were gaga over Brendan Harris' production.

Having said that, I like the younger group of players being assembled - Cantu, Hamilton, Phillips, Keppinger, Edwin.

I agree that it would be best to have Philips at short and Keppinger at second because of Keppinger's lack of range. Keppinger is not over-valued until he stops hitting .360. There may be an argument in the future that he is not an everyday player if his production drops, but right now he is hitting well enough to have Mackanin put him in the lineup everyday.

Muggerd
08-30-2007, 02:13 PM
I cant imagine moving a gold glove 2nd baseman. I would like to see it done but I just cant imagine doing it.