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flyer85
08-29-2007, 04:00 PM
Gonzo back in the lineup in the 2 hole ... sweet


Hamilton cf
Gonzalez ss
Griffey rf
Phillips 2b
Dunn lf
Valentin c
Hatteberg 1b
Encarnacion 3b
Harang p

McLouth cf
Bautista 3b
Sanchez 2b
LaRoche. 1b
Nady rf
Bay lf
Paulino c
Izturis ss
Snell p

BRM
08-29-2007, 04:01 PM
Does this mean the Reds are out of "win now" mode?

flyer85
08-29-2007, 04:04 PM
Does this mean the Reds are out of "win now" mode?after the Pirates finish their sweep of the Reds as guess the lose now mode will be back.

There is really no way to describe batting Gonzo 2nd instead of Hatty, it's back to this entire breaking up the lefties theory that seems to always drive batting order placement if you are a Reds manager. Of course it won't matter if they can't get to Snell and the construction of the lineup certainly isn't going to maximize their chances.

BRM
08-29-2007, 04:10 PM
I just looked at the numbers, Gonzalez is 4-7 lifetime against Snell. I'm sure that played some part in the lineup construction.

KronoRed
08-29-2007, 04:11 PM
L/R/L/R/L/S/L/R

Insanity FM is on the air.

BRM
08-29-2007, 04:12 PM
L/R/L/R/L/S/L/R

Insanity FM is on the air.

It's the most popular station in Cincinnati, isn't it?

Razor Shines
08-29-2007, 04:32 PM
L/R/L/R/L/S/L/R

Insanity FM is on the air.

If it MUST be that way then freakin' put EE in the 2 hole and Gonzo 8th.

flyer85
08-29-2007, 04:34 PM
If it MUST be that way then freakin' put EE in the 2 hole and Gonzo 8th.actually any choice in the 2 hole would be better than Gonzo, he needs to be the #8 hitter in that lineup.

RichRed
08-29-2007, 04:43 PM
When did we hire Narron back?

Cyclone792
08-29-2007, 04:43 PM
2007 PA/Outs

Hamilton 1.52
Gonzalez 1.39
Griffey 1.59
Phillips 1.39
Dunn 1.54
Valentin 1.47
Hatteberg 1.59
Encarnacion 1.51

Castro (Career) 1.31
Ellison (Career) 1.34

I must say I do find it utterly humorous that in tonight's lineup, the two hitters with the worst ratio of outs per plate appearance are both directly batting in front of the team's two best power hitters.

vaticanplum
08-29-2007, 04:47 PM
2007 PA/Outs

Hamilton 1.52
Gonzalez 1.39
Griffey 1.59
Phillips 1.39
Dunn 1.54
Valentin 1.47
Hatteberg 1.59
Encarnacion 1.51

Castro (Career) 1.31
Ellison (Career) 1.34

I must say I do find it utterly humorous that in tonight's lineup, the two hitters with the worst ratio of outs per plate appearance are both directly batting in front of the team's two best power hitters.

Griffey bats third and Dunn bats fifth, Cyclone. It's like the catcher bats eighth rule. Whoever hits in front of them is arbitrary.

flyer85
08-29-2007, 04:47 PM
I must say I do find it utterly humorous that in tonight's lineup, the two hitters with the worst ratio of outs per plate appearance are both directly batting in front of the team's two best power hitters.nothing like having your out machines at the top of the order.

KronoRed
08-29-2007, 04:50 PM
nothing like having your out machines at the top of the order.

They put the ball in play, usually right at people :clap:

Cyclone792
08-29-2007, 05:13 PM
Griffey bats third and Dunn bats fifth, Cyclone. It's like the catcher bats eighth rule. Whoever hits in front of them is arbitrary.

Yep, anything else would be illegal.

BTW, PA/Outs correlates with runs per game at a 0.893 clip in the NL so far this season. BA w/RISP, for comparison, only correlates with runs per game at a 0.351 clip in the NL so far this season.

Don't tell Marty, though. ;)

CTA513
08-29-2007, 05:17 PM
Career stats for the pitchers against the hitters (from ESPN):

Snell vs. Reds
Hamilton: 0 for 3
Gonzalez: 4 for 7 with a double, 1 RBI, 1 BB and 1 K
Griffey: 5 for 9 with 1 RBI, 4 BB and 2 Ks
Phillips: 1 for 12 with 4 Ks
Dunn: 2 for 14 with a double, home run, 1 RBI, 4 BB and 5 Ks
Valentin: 8 for 13 with 2 home runs, 5 RBIs, 2 BB and 1 K
Hatteberg: 4 for 16 with 3 BB and 1 K
Encarnacion: 4 for 14 with 3 RBIs
Harang: 0 at bats


Harang vs. Pirates
McLouth: 1 for 10 with a double, 1 BB and 4 Ks
Bautista: 4 for 17 with a double, 1 RBI, 2 BB and 4 Ks
Sanchez: 5 for 29 with a double, home run, 3 RBIs, 1 BB and 5 Ks
LaRoche: 5 for 17 with 3 doubles, 2 home runs, 3 RBIs, 2 BB and 3 Ks
Nady: 8 for 19 with a double, home run, 2 RBIs and 3 Ks
Bay: 14 for 37 with 4 doubles, 1 triple, 4 home runs, 7 RBIs, 1 BB and 9 Ks
Paulino: 2 for 10 with 1 RBI and 5 Ks
Izturis: 0 for 15 with 1 K
Snell: 0 at bats

Matt700wlw
08-29-2007, 05:21 PM
It's the most popular station in Cincinnati, isn't it?

I wonder what sort of opportunities they have? ;)

PuffyPig
08-29-2007, 06:26 PM
If there's one team that you might logically see the L-R-L-R thing against is the Pirates.

They have 3 lefties in the bullpen and 2 are quite good, seasoned LOOGY's.

And it's why EE should be batting second.

Matt700wlw
08-29-2007, 07:08 PM
Hamilton gets on base!

OnBaseMachine
08-29-2007, 07:10 PM
592!

Matt700wlw
08-29-2007, 07:10 PM
:griffey:

:jump:



a day late ;)

Eric_Davis
08-29-2007, 07:14 PM
This lineup would have won one of the games yesterday.

OnBaseMachine
08-29-2007, 07:14 PM
3-1 pitch at Dunn's ankle was called strike two.

OnBaseMachine
08-29-2007, 07:15 PM
3-1 pitch at Dunn's ankle was called strike two.

That awful call results in a doubleplay.

Questec please. I'm tired of these ankle strike calls on Dunn and Hamilton every night.

RedsManRick
08-29-2007, 07:15 PM
Case in point why Phillips ahead off Dunn isn't a good idea. Phillips needs to be the one moving Dunn around the bases, not the other way around.

Eric_Davis
08-29-2007, 07:16 PM
3-1 pitch at Dunn's ankle was called strike two.

So, instead of 2 men on and nobody out, where the REDS are ready to bust the game open, it's nobody on and 2 outs and the Pirates are right back in it.

PuffyPig
08-29-2007, 07:17 PM
This lineup would have won one of the games yesterday.

Agreed, as long as a RH pitcher was going for the Bucs.

Eric_Davis
08-29-2007, 07:18 PM
Though it's unlikely that Harang will give up 3 runs in this game, even against this really, really sizzling Pirates lineup. He's really been on a roll for 3 months now.

CTA513
08-29-2007, 07:18 PM
I hope Harang also gets that low pitch called strikes.

OnBaseMachine
08-29-2007, 07:19 PM
I hope Harang also gets that low pitch called strikes.

Nope. That same pitch was just called a ball on McClouth, who is about six inches shorter than Dunn.

Tom Servo
08-29-2007, 07:20 PM
I love watching Harang pitch.

Matt700wlw
08-29-2007, 07:25 PM
Breaking News...

Edwin does smile!

Cyclone792
08-29-2007, 07:31 PM
Don't look now, but Edwin's hitting .348/.375/.522/.897 for the month of August.

Matt700wlw
08-29-2007, 07:43 PM
Harang has an ERA 2.90 at GABP.

That park is pitchable, you just have to know what you're doing.

WVRedsFan
08-29-2007, 08:00 PM
I've decided that George Grande is obsessed with the gold glove. It never fails that "the gold glover" is one of his favorite phrases.

Razor Shines
08-29-2007, 08:01 PM
Don't look now, but Edwin's hitting .348/.375/.522/.897 for the month of August.

Can I look now?

KronoRed
08-29-2007, 08:07 PM
Can I look now?

Not till Saturday

Razor Shines
08-29-2007, 08:09 PM
Perfect game is gone.

Cyclone792
08-29-2007, 08:10 PM
Can I look now?

What Krono said. ;)

Harang gave up a leadoff walk in the 4th, but he's still throwing a [can't say it] with five strikeouts after four full innings. He's only thrown 44 pitches so far, and 32 of those pitches have been strikes.

Harang so far has been on tonight.

CTA513
08-29-2007, 08:10 PM
Im surprised Sanchez didn't even try to run to first on that swinging strike 3 that bounced away from Valentin.

Matt700wlw
08-29-2007, 08:11 PM
Josh!! Nice job!!

HumnHilghtFreel
08-29-2007, 08:12 PM
Great hustle there by Hambone, but that was really close at third.

MrCinatit
08-29-2007, 08:13 PM
That was almost too close at third, but it worked out in the end.


Junior tries to kill the pitcher with his broken bat.

HumnHilghtFreel
08-29-2007, 08:15 PM
Phillips crushed that one! 5-0 game.

Matt700wlw
08-29-2007, 08:15 PM
:phillips:

:jump:

Eric_Davis
08-29-2007, 08:17 PM
Had to check in to get a glimpse of those bouncing smilies.

All right, Brandon.

2-2 for this series is what was expected. Just a discouraging way to get it if we can hold on to this and then win tomorrow.

Matt700wlw
08-29-2007, 08:21 PM
The no no is no mo'

HumnHilghtFreel
08-29-2007, 08:24 PM
I love watching Harang pitch. There's just something about having confidence that you'll be around there to have a win, I can only imagine what it's like playing in games he pitches.

MrCinatit
08-29-2007, 08:27 PM
I love watching Harang pitch. There's just something about having confidence that you'll be around there to have a win, I can only imagine what it's like playing in games he pitches.

It might be why the team tends to score more runs - perhaps they feel a little bit looser, and more confident themselves when he is on the mound.

CTA513
08-29-2007, 08:29 PM
After watching that last at bat by Izturis I can see why he is now 0-17 against Harang.

Tom Servo
08-29-2007, 08:34 PM
How about a grand slam by Harang

Matt700wlw
08-29-2007, 08:35 PM
I'd love to see Harang go deep

:laugh:

Cyclone792
08-29-2007, 08:38 PM
The Reds marketing department should start trying to pump up fanfare for all of Harang's home starts. Kick it into another gear, and make it well known what dates Harang is scheduled to try to get more fans down there for Harang's starts.

Make it a spectacle; Harang Days at the ball park.

Matt700wlw
08-29-2007, 08:40 PM
Hamilton gets a run in off a lefty.

Matt700wlw
08-29-2007, 08:40 PM
The Reds marketing department should start trying to pump up fanfare for all of Harang's home starts. Kick it into another gear, and make it well known what dates Harang is scheduled to try to get more fans down there for Harang's starts.

Make it a spectacle; Harang Days at the ball park.

"The Harang Days of Summer"

Tom Servo
08-29-2007, 08:40 PM
http://cincinnati.reds.mlb.com/images/2007/06/01/uqFV5NwD.jpg
i'm in ur 2 holz makin yer stats lok stoopid

Eric_Davis
08-29-2007, 08:44 PM
Is this guy related to that guy that played in that '70's classic, "Gym-Kata!"?

Tom Servo
08-29-2007, 08:45 PM
former Red Matt Kata with the bloop hit

RFS62
08-29-2007, 08:45 PM
The Reds marketing department should start trying to pump up fanfare for all of Harang's home starts. Kick it into another gear, and make it well known what dates Harang is scheduled to try to get more fans down there for Harang's starts.

Make it a spectacle; Harang Days at the ball park.


Yeah, maybe their own writers will show him some love in the Cy Young vote this year.

Eric_Davis
08-29-2007, 08:46 PM
"The Harang Days of Summer"


You just came up with the title of his Autobiography.

OnBaseMachine
08-29-2007, 08:46 PM
Routine flyball to right drops in for a hit. I love Griff but he doesn't cover much ground these days.

Eric_Davis
08-29-2007, 08:47 PM
Yeah, maybe their own writers will show him some love in the Cy Young vote this year.


When's the last time the REDS had a guy 14-3?

Gullett in '76, Maybe?

Cyclone792
08-29-2007, 08:48 PM
Yeah, maybe their own writers will show him some love in the Cy Young vote this year.

No kidding. The writers, along with many other people, just seemingly ignore Harang more often than not.

Maybe one of these days the casual fan base will start to notice what caliber pitcher Harang is nowadays too. I think I can count on one hand the number of Harang jerseys/shirts I've seen in the GABP seats.

Those Ryan Freel jerseys are everywhere though.

HumnHilghtFreel
08-29-2007, 08:52 PM
No kidding. The writers, along with many other people, just seemingly ignore Harang more often than not.

Maybe one of these days the casual fan base will start to notice what caliber pitcher Harang is nowadays too. I think I can count on one hand the number of Harang jerseys/shirts I've seen in the GABP seats.

Those Ryan Freel jerseys are everywhere though.

Who needs a quality start when you can see a guy dive headfirst into the 8th row of the stands? :)

Eric_Davis
08-29-2007, 08:53 PM
No kidding. The writers, along with many other people, just seemingly ignore Harang more often than not.

Maybe one of these days the casual fan base will start to notice what caliber pitcher Harang is nowadays too. I think I can count on one hand the number of Harang jerseys/shirts I've seen in the GABP seats.

Those Ryan Freel jerseys are everywhere though.

Until Webb had the scoreless inning streak, how many people knew he won the Cy Young Award last year?

You just don't get noticed on last place teams, or bad teams, however you want to say it.

WVRedsFan
08-29-2007, 08:56 PM
No kidding. The writers, along with many other people, just seemingly ignore Harang more often than not.

Maybe one of these days the casual fan base will start to notice what caliber pitcher Harang is nowadays too. I think I can count on one hand the number of Harang jerseys/shirts I've seen in the GABP seats.

Those Ryan Freel jerseys are everywhere though.

He's doesn't hustle, wear his socks high or call attention to himself which accounts for the lack of love. If the writers don't vote for him this year, there is no hope. That said, they'll probably vote for Penny anyway.

Now we see Dunn hitting a lefty totally destroying Mac's argument about hitting lefties.

VR
08-29-2007, 08:56 PM
When's the last time the REDS had a guy 14-3?

Gullett in '76, Maybe?

1981 Terrific Tom Seaver goes 14-2 and gets hosed out of the Cy Young by a guy 13-7. Pfffft.

Eric_Davis
08-29-2007, 08:57 PM
Look at the bottom of the order tonight?

With Ellison and/or Ross in there, the difference would be noticable. Now, there's just one sure out in Harang.

Eric_Davis
08-29-2007, 08:58 PM
Need to know.

Is he OK?

WVRedsFan
08-29-2007, 08:58 PM
Look at the bottom of the order tonight?

With Ellison and/or Ross in there, the difference would be noticable. Now, there's just one sure out in Harang.

Exactly. Ross and Ellison are as close to sure outs as there is in MLB.

Eric_Davis
08-29-2007, 08:59 PM
1981 Terrific Tom Seaver goes 14-2 and gets hosed out of the Cy Young by a guy 13-7. Pfffft.

Probably some stupid Dodger.

Cyclone792
08-29-2007, 09:00 PM
Looks like the pitch slightly clipped Harang's right arm, underneath the forearm near the elbow. He's staying in the game and is on base now so he looks to be good to go.

Eric_Davis
08-29-2007, 09:02 PM
One more at-bat for Hamilton vs a Lefty and one more bit of experience that costs the team nothing.

Matt700wlw
08-29-2007, 09:03 PM
Harang....70 pitches

WVRedsFan
08-29-2007, 09:05 PM
Harang appears to be OK. Now at 73 pitches with one out in the 7th.

Eric_Davis
08-29-2007, 09:06 PM
1981 Terrific Tom Seaver goes 14-2 and gets hosed out of the Cy Young by a guy 13-7. Pfffft.

Had to look it up.

Thought it was the hype of Fernando Mania that stole the award from Seaver.

Fernando had a good first 2 months, then he was average the rest of the year after people got used to him.

Seaver (and the REDS) were robbed.

I still HATE the Dodgers.

Eric_Davis
08-29-2007, 09:07 PM
Love the 14 hits tonight versus 2.

Eric_Davis
08-29-2007, 09:08 PM
9-pitch inning!

Cy Young.

Matt700wlw
08-29-2007, 09:08 PM
Has Harang broken a sweat yet?

VR
08-29-2007, 09:09 PM
Just a tidbit......
The Reds defense has the fewest errors in the majors over the last 30 days.

I'd guess since the break they are close to the league lead in fewest E's and most DP's. Anyone know where to find those stats?

Matt700wlw
08-29-2007, 09:12 PM
The guy pitching came up from AA.

Eric_Davis
08-29-2007, 09:12 PM
ESPN

Eric_Davis
08-29-2007, 09:15 PM
ESPN


No defensive fielding splits....sorry.

DoogMinAmo
08-29-2007, 09:16 PM
If I ran a MLB team and was facing the Reds, I would NEVER send a righty to the mound against them, at least not now. I would find a lefty in my system and take a chance with him, no matter the stuff.

The Reds right now are the surest of bets against righties, and with Harang pitching, fuggetaboutit.

Eric_Davis
08-29-2007, 09:22 PM
http://shsdemo.stats.com/mlb/index.asp

This site has numerous oddity stats, including sabrmetrics, etc., but I couldn't find split fielding stats for teams.

Matt700wlw
08-29-2007, 09:22 PM
Ellison batting.

THIS is when he should be used :p:

OnBaseMachine
08-29-2007, 09:22 PM
Only 88 pitches through 8 innings for Harang. 8 IP, 2 H, 0 R, 1 BB, 8 K. With 174 strikeouts on the season, Harang should reach 200 again this season.

WebScorpion
08-29-2007, 09:23 PM
It is soooooo nice to finally have a few legitimate Major League pitchers on our staff. Aaron is incredible tonight: 8 full innings on 88 pitches, 8 Ks, 1 BB, 2 hits... just WOW! :clap:

Matt700wlw
08-29-2007, 09:23 PM
Ellison K's.


I faint.

DoogMinAmo
08-29-2007, 09:23 PM
FYI, the Reds face three righties in St. Louis as it currently stands after facing a righty in the final game in Pitt: Reyes, Wainwright, and Looper. Seems like a great opportunity to put a hurtin on the Cards' playoff hopes. (I won't talk about the Reds' hope anymore)

Matt700wlw
08-29-2007, 09:24 PM
FYI, the Reds face three righties in St. Louis as it currently stands after facing a righty in the final game in Pitt: Reyes, Wainwright, and Looper. Seems like a great opportunity to put a hurtin on the Cards' playoff hopes. (I won't talk about the Reds' hope anymore)

Sounds good on all fronts!

DoogMinAmo
08-29-2007, 09:26 PM
Sounds good on all fronts!

Except for who the Reds will be throwing out there on the mound, but that slight bit of detail shall remain unnoticed.

Eric_Davis
08-29-2007, 09:26 PM
NL Leaders: Strikeouts per 9 IP (Thru Aug. 28, 2007)
1.0 IP/Game
Rank Player Team Stats
1 Jake Peavy SD 9.98 ( 197/177.2 )
2 Oliver Perez NYM 8.64 ( 137/142.2 )
3 Chris Young SD 8.62 ( 130/135.2 )
4 Rich Hill ChC 8.59 ( 154/161.1 )
5 Cole Hamels Phi 8.39 ( 156/167.1 )
6 John Smoltz Atl 8.32 ( 155/167.2 )
7 Aaron Harang Cin 8.25 ( 166/181.0 )
8 Wandy Rodriguez Hou 7.93 ( 136/154.1 )
9 Orlando Hernandez NYM 7.83 ( 120/138.0 )
10 John Maine NYM 7.81 ( 136/156.2 )
11 Ian Snell Pit 7.80 ( 147/169.2 )
12 Brandon Webb Ari 7.77 ( 170/197.0 )
13 Ted Lilly ChC 7.49 ( 140/168.1 )
14 Carlos Zambrano ChC 7.43 ( 143/173.1 )
15 Matt Cain SF 7.14 ( 136/171.1 )
16 Jeff Francis Col 6.94 ( 130/168.2 )
17 Scott Olsen Fla 6.75 ( 117/156.0 )
18 Dave Bush Mil 6.69 ( 116/156.0 )
19 Kip Wells StL 6.67 ( 101/136.1 )
20 Bronson Arroyo Cin 6.63 ( 127/172.1 )

Cyclone792
08-29-2007, 09:26 PM
FYI, the Reds face three righties in St. Louis as it currently stands after facing a righty in the final game in Pitt: Reyes, Wainwright, and Looper. Seems like a great opportunity to put a hurtin on the Cards' playoff hopes. (I won't talk about the Reds' hope anymore)

The Cards are currently losing 4-0 in Houston. The Astros are throwing Oswalt at them tonight, and he's struck out four with three hits allowed. It wouldn't make me sad to see Oswalt mow down St. Louis tonight.

Brewers just took a 2-1 lead on the Cubs.

Matt700wlw
08-29-2007, 09:27 PM
Except for who the Reds will be throwing out there on the mound, but that slight bit of detail shall remain unnoticed.

Has cloning been perfected yet?

WVRedsFan
08-29-2007, 09:27 PM
I hope Harang can pull off the CG. It will help him in the Cy Young and gives the pen a night off.

Question. While I was away from my computer, I thought Coffey was back. Doesn't look like he's been used since his return. I find that odd.

Matt700wlw
08-29-2007, 09:28 PM
I hope Harang can pull off the CG. It will help him in the Cy Young and gives the pen a night off.

Question. While I was away from my computer, I thought Coffey was back. Doesn't look like he's been used since his return. I find that odd.

He was back for a few hours, long enough to get a cup of himself....he's back in Louisville now, and was sent down when Shearn came up.

OnBaseMachine
08-29-2007, 09:28 PM
I hope Harang can pull off the CG. It will help him in the Cy Young and gives the pen a night off.

Question. While I was away from my computer, I thought Coffey was back. Doesn't look like he's been used since his return. I find that odd.

He was called up for one day before being sent back down for Shearn IIRC.

Eric_Davis
08-29-2007, 09:30 PM
This is what's going to kill Harang's Cy Young votes again. It shouldn't, but it will.

NL Leaders: Earned Run Average (Thru Aug. 28, 2007)
1.0 IP/Game
Rank Player Team Stats
1 Chris Young SD 2.12 ( 32/135.2 )
2 Jake Peavy SD 2.18 ( 43/177.2 )
3 Brad Penny LAD 2.65 ( 51/173.0 )
4 Brandon Webb Ari 2.83 ( 62/197.0 )
5 John Smoltz Atl 3.06 ( 57/167.2 )
6 Orlando Hernandez NYM 3.07 ( 47/138.0 )
7 Tim Hudson Atl 3.23 ( 66/183.2 )
8 Roy Oswalt Hou 3.33 ( 66/178.1 )
9 Oliver Perez NYM 3.34 ( 53/142.2 )
10t Tom Gorzelanny Pit 3.50 ( 65/167.1 )
10t Cole Hamels Phi 3.50 ( 65/167.1 )
12 Derek Lowe LAD 3.56 ( 68/172.0 )
13 Matt Cain SF 3.57 ( 68/171.1 )
14 Noah Lowry SF 3.59 ( 61/153.0 )
15 John Maine NYM 3.68 ( 64/156.2 )
16 Aaron Harang Cin 3.68 ( 74/181.0 )
17 Rich Hill ChC 3.68 ( 66/161.1 )
18 Ted Lilly ChC 3.85 ( 72/168.1 )
19 Adam Wainwright StL 3.86 ( 70/163.1 )
20 Greg Maddux SD 3.90 ( 70/161.2 )

Cyclone792
08-29-2007, 09:30 PM
Harang's only thrown 88 pitches so he has plenty of room to work with in his pitch count to finish the game. Here's to an easy inning and locking down the CG SHO.

OnBaseMachine
08-29-2007, 09:33 PM
94 pitch complete game shutout by Harang.

Cyclone792
08-29-2007, 09:34 PM
Harang throws a CG SHO in only 94 pitches!

9 IP, 2 H, 0 R, 1 BB, 8 SO, 94 pitches (70 strikes)

Excellent game, Harang!

Eric_Davis
08-29-2007, 09:34 PM
This will be only the 13th shutout in the National League this year.

NL Leaders: Shutouts (Thru Aug. 28, 2007)


Rank Player Team Stats
1 Brandon Webb Ari 3
2t J.D. Durbin Phi 1
2t Tom Glavine NYM 1
2t Tom Gorzelanny Pit 1
2t Jon Lieber Phi 1
2t Kyle Lohse Phi 1
2t Paul Maholm Pit 1
2t John Maine NYM 1
2t Jason Marquis ChC 1
2t Wandy Rodriguez Hou 1

Matt700wlw
08-29-2007, 09:35 PM
:harang:

:notworthy

Eric_Davis
08-29-2007, 09:36 PM
You know how hard it is for a small-payroll team to get an ACE and to keep him?

Cyclone792
08-29-2007, 09:39 PM
Interesting tidbit: Harang's game score for tonight's start was 90, and that's the highest game score for his career.

His previous high game score was 86 on August 26th, 2004, when he threw a complete game shutout against the Cardinals and allowed three hits with one walk while striking out six. His 10 inning performance earlier this season had a game score of 84.

WebScorpion
08-29-2007, 09:39 PM
It may have only been the Pirates, but Aaron Harang made sure we won a game we're supposed to win. A CG SHO 2-hitter! He deserves all the credit he can get....masterful performance. :notworthy:jump::clap::clap::clap::clap::clap: :notworthy

VR
08-29-2007, 09:53 PM
This is what's going to kill Harang's Cy Young votes again. It shouldn't, but it will.



His WHIP (sub 1.1) has him about 5th in the bigs.

lollipopcurve
08-29-2007, 10:03 PM
I must say I really enjoy it when a lineup that is ridiculed goes out and bangs.

Falls City Beer
08-29-2007, 10:29 PM
I don't see the problem with tonight's lineup.

VR
08-29-2007, 10:45 PM
The Hammy/ Griff/ Dunn juggernaut will wreak havok in September for many playoff contenders.

Add Keppinger/ Phillips/ EE/ Valentin/ Gonzo/ Hatte make the lineup pretty scary on a nightly basis.

TeamBoone
08-29-2007, 11:06 PM
This is what's going to kill Harang's Cy Young votes again. It shouldn't, but it will.

NL Leaders: Earned Run Average (Thru Aug. 28, 2007)
1.0 IP/Game
Rank Player Team Stats
16 Aaron Harang Cin 3.68 ( 74/181.0 )



Do they factor in the ballpark quirks?

Big Klu
08-30-2007, 12:13 AM
Just got back from the game! What a performance by Harang! If he isn't an ace, then I don't know who is.

As always, I had a great time at PNC Park. If you have never been there, you need to go. I would like to give a shout-out to Bob the Usher in Section 114. I have had tickets in that section many times, and he always remembers me and takes care of me and my group.

The Reds' record in games that I have attended this season now stands at 10-3. (They are 10-1 in games in which someone other than Eric Milton was the starting pitcher!) I think I should be offered some sort of position with the organization or something! :D


Updated Reds HR list (players in italics are active):

Reds All-Time Home Run Leaders
1. Johnny Bench - 389
2. Frank Robinson - 324
3. Tony Perez - 287
4. Ted Kluszewski - 251
5. George Foster - 244
6. Adam Dunn - 234
7. Eric Davis - 203
8. Barry Larkin - 198
9. Ken Griffey, Jr. - 194
10. Vada Pinson - 186
11. Wally Post - 172
12. Gus Bell - 160
13. Joe Morgan - 152
13. Pete Rose - 152
15. Lee May - 147
16. Dan Driessen - 133
17. Reggie Sanders - 125
18. Ernie Lombardi - 120
19. Sean Casey - 118
20. Frank McCormick - 110
21. Dave Parker - 107
22. Chris Sabo - 104
23. Dave Concepcion - 101
24. Gordy Coleman - 98
25. Paul O'Neill - 96

Eric_Davis
08-30-2007, 12:25 AM
Do they factor in the ballpark quirks?

No, and he moved up 6 spots after tonight's performance.

Caveat Emperor
08-30-2007, 12:27 AM
What a game by Harang tonight!

Krivsky may not be long for the GM job, but he did a hell of a job getting Harang inked to a sensible long-term deal that keeps him a Red.

DoogMinAmo
08-30-2007, 12:50 AM
What a game by Harang tonight!

Krivsky may not be long for the GM job, but he did a hell of a job getting Harang inked to a sensible long-term deal that keeps him a Red.

Krivsky may not immediately have been the perfect GM, but I see good in a lot of what he does/ has done. I hope he can grow and improve, rather than putting the organization through the turmoil of another regime change. Remember, he has still only been on the job for approx. a year and a half.

Ron Madden
08-30-2007, 03:52 AM
I keep hearing and reading that the Reds can't win with a good offense and HR hitters. (bullspit)

Heck, The Reds have hit HR's and scored lots of runs the last seven seasons.

All we need is some Pitchers that don't give up lots of HR's and runs scored. ;)

redsmetz
08-30-2007, 05:32 AM
after the Pirates finish their sweep of the Reds as guess the lose now mode will be back.

There is really no way to describe batting Gonzo 2nd instead of Hatty, it's back to this entire breaking up the lefties theory that seems to always drive batting order placement if you are a Reds manager. Of course it won't matter if they can't get to Snell and the construction of the lineup certainly isn't going to maximize their chances.

Not a bad line up last night. Every position player had a hit, every starter scored a run except EE and everyone knocked one in except for Dunn, Hatte and EE. And seven runs off of Snell - I'm glad we didn't get to him. :D

BRM
08-30-2007, 09:08 AM
I must say I really enjoy it when a lineup that is ridiculed goes out and bangs.

The only thing that got ripped was Gonzalez batting 2nd. Then he goes out and gets 3 hits. It's the way it's supposed to work. :)

redsmetz
08-30-2007, 09:16 AM
The only thing that got ripped was Gonzalez batting 2nd. Then he goes out and gets 3 hits. It's the way it's supposed to work. :)

It does seem to work that way, doesn't it. You'd think with all the ripping that goes on at RZ that most of these guys would be hitting like Murderers Row!