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Triples
08-30-2007, 03:42 PM
CHICAGO -- The Cubs sent outfielder Buck Coats to the Reds for a player to be named. Coats, 25, was originally drafted by the Cubs in the 18th round of the 2000 First-Year Player Draft. He hit .303 this year with Triple-A Iowa, with 21 doubles, 11 home runs and 59 RBIs.

Hmmm, another outfielder, just what the Reds need; albiet one that it appears can hit a little.

Any speculation on who the player to be named will be? Which by the way seems a bit odd to me. Why do a player to be named later on a minor league transaction...unless of course the player to be named is currently on the Major League roster.

Degenerate39
08-30-2007, 03:44 PM
Right or left handed?

Muggerd
08-30-2007, 03:49 PM
Right or left handed?

Left of course

dougdirt
08-30-2007, 03:50 PM
Lefty.

Degenerate39
08-30-2007, 04:01 PM
Lefty.

Can't say I'm surprised

TheOnlyRedsFan
08-30-2007, 04:04 PM
We seem to have a love for lefties....except for pitching-wise.

dougdirt
08-30-2007, 04:09 PM
So where does Coats fall into the Reds plans.
Current other lefty outfielders in AA/AAA
Jay Bruce
Joey Votto (he is playing there enough to make me think they really could be moving him there)
Danny Dorn
Chris Dickerson

and now Buck Coats.

There is only so much left handedness to go around, and I think the Reds have a lock on it in the minor leagues.

lollipopcurve
08-30-2007, 04:20 PM
Extra outfielder type, but lefthanded. Can run. Krivsky in collection mode on these guys -- Sean Henry, Shaun Cumberland, now Coats. Strong competition for Chris Dickerson.

Triples
08-30-2007, 04:25 PM
Is he trying to create trade bait? Or is just the guy they need for that championship stretch run:p:


Extra outfielder type, but lefthanded. Can run. Krivsky in collection mode on these guys -- Sean Henry, Shaun Cumberland, now Coats. Strong competition for Chris Dickerson.

Mario-Rijo
08-30-2007, 05:30 PM
Is he trying to create trade bait? Or is just the guy they need for that championship stretch run:p:

Well Krivsky has said on several occassions that he is always in for making deals that better the organization. Be it short term, long term or trade bait he obviously thinks the kid has enough value to warrant making a deal as opposed to letting him clear waivers.

reds44
08-30-2007, 06:02 PM
September callup.

You could do worse for a PTBNL.

Benihana
08-30-2007, 06:54 PM
I think Dickerson will be traded by Opening Day 2008.

dfs
08-31-2007, 07:58 AM
I think Dickerson will be traded by Opening Day 2008.

I agree with this. When they decided to bring in Ellison instead of promoting Dickerson, they made it pretty plain that they had no future plans for Chris. He projects as a 4/5 outfielder that can cover center. They needed a right handed version of that and instead of bringing up Dickerson, they brought in Ellison

There is actually a pretty frair amount of deadwood on the 40 man roster right now. Can't imagine what they'll use Juan "soft hands" for. Now that they've actually seen Keppinger play, the whole Pedro Lopez thing looks kind of stupid. I know he has a weekend start, but unless he starts impressing people Phil Dumatrait is pretty much out of the organization now too.

That's not even looking at the guys in the bullpen.

redsmetz
08-31-2007, 08:19 AM
I agree with this. When they decided to bring in Ellison instead of promoting Dickerson, they made it pretty plain that they had no future plans for Chris. He projects as a 4/5 outfielder that can cover center. They needed a right handed version of that and instead of bringing up Dickerson, they brought in Ellison

There is actually a pretty frair amount of deadwood on the 40 man roster right now. Can't imagine what they'll use Juan "soft hands" for. Now that they've actually seen Keppinger play, the whole Pedro Lopez thing looks kind of stupid. I know he has a weekend start, but unless he starts impressing people Phil Dumatrait is pretty much out of the organization now too.

That's not even looking at the guys in the bullpen.

How does acquiring Lopez "look stupid"? It might ultimately prove to have been needless, but I don't think you can acquire enough possible prospects throughout your system. Ultimately picking up plums from time to time allow you to move other players for more valuable pieces down the line. If some of the pick ups this season of minor leaguers makes Dickerson expendable and brings us something, then that helps the organization. The same may prove to be true of Lopez.

PuffyPig
08-31-2007, 09:05 AM
When they decided to bring in Ellison instead of promoting Dickerson, they made it pretty plain that they had no future plans for Chris. He projects as a 4/5 outfielder that can cover center. They needed a right handed version of that and instead of bringing up Dickerson, they brought in Ellison

I know he has a weekend start, but unless he starts impressing people Phil Dumatrait is pretty much out of the organization now too.




Dickerson wasn't promoted becasue he simply wasn't ready. Better to leave him in the minors and let him develop.

Dumatrait may have failed in his first trial, but he still likley figues ibto their plans. He'll likley get other chances in the minors to see if he can gain better location of his pitchesl.

dfs
08-31-2007, 09:58 AM
Dickerson wasn't promoted becasue he simply wasn't ready. Better to leave him in the minors and let him develop.

Dumatrait may have failed in his first trial, but he still likley figues ibto their plans. He'll likley get other chances in the minors to see if he can gain better location of his pitchesl.
If you're a 25 years old outfielder and already burned two of your option years and the organization doesn't think you can be a fourth/fifth outfielder for a couple weeks till Josh Hamilton comes back, it's time to face the music. He's got no chance of ever becoming a major league regular at this point and the organization doesn't think he's good enough for a bench job. Guys like that don't belong on the 40 man roster.

The problem they have with Dumatrait is that he will be out of options and he's never done anything but start. They have a glut of lefty relievers anyway. They only thing he can do is be a starting pitcher and I don't think any of us want to see that. They should just try and pass him through waivers off the 40 man roster now.

The reds organization ordering of Castro, Lopez,Harris and Keppinger was about as off as it could be. There's little point of acquiring talent if all your going to do with it is block or discard BETTER talent.

Benihana
08-31-2007, 10:49 AM
Dickerson is a classic AAAA player, or at least that's how the Reds feel. He reminds me of a slightly worse version of Denorfia, and he'll most likely be shipped away this offseason with little fanfare. I don't really have a problem with that.

klw
08-31-2007, 10:57 AM
There may not be a logical spot for him but Buck Coats is a great name

KeyMastur
08-31-2007, 11:22 AM
If you're a 25 years old outfielder and already burned two of your option years and the organization doesn't think you can be a fourth/fifth outfielder for a couple weeks till Josh Hamilton comes back, it's time to face the music. He's got no chance of ever becoming a major league regular at this point and the organization doesn't think he's good enough for a bench job. Guys like that don't belong on the 40 man roster.


only burned 1 option since he was added to the 40 man last off-season. he's got 2 more

he didn't get called up b/c he wasn't ready.

dfs
08-31-2007, 11:41 AM
only burned 1 option since he was added to the 40 man last off-season. he's got 2 moreYou are correct sir.

It doesn't change his age. I still think he's got about as much chance of being a major league player as Aaron Herr.

dougdirt
08-31-2007, 12:36 PM
I think Dickerson is the ideal 5th outfielder type.

Power off the bench? Check.
Lots of speed and can be a pinch runner? Check.
Great defense? Check.

dfs
08-31-2007, 12:48 PM
I think Dickerson is the ideal 5th outfielder type.

Power off the bench? Check.
Lots of speed and can be a pinch runner? Check.
Great defense? Check.
I agree with you. I'm honestly curious why they didn't call him up instead of getting Ellison. The notion that he's going to "develop" from what he is seems pretty far fetched.

AmarilloRed
08-31-2007, 01:39 PM
They can still call him up. Dickerson is on the 40 man roster, and can be a September call-up.

KeyMastur
08-31-2007, 03:24 PM
I agree with you. I'm honestly curious why they didn't call him up instead of getting Ellison. The notion that he's going to "develop" from what he is seems pretty far fetched.

1st you say he's got as much chance as Aaron Herr, then you agree that he's a 5th outfield candidate and wonder why they didn't call him up. pick a side

dfs
08-31-2007, 04:13 PM
1st you say he's got as much chance as Aaron Herr, then you agree that he's a 5th outfield candidate and wonder why they didn't call him up. pick a side
Sorry for the confusion, there is a time difference.

Looking over his skill set, He's got as much right to claim a 5th outfield job as anybody. And there was one, right there in front of him. Deno got traded. Crosby and Freel and Wise got hurt. The major league team had a thin outfield and needed somebody to cover center. Instead of bringing up Dickerson, they choose to bring in Ellison. What's worse is during the same time frame, they promoted Jay Bruce and he pushed Dickerson out of center in AAA.

Given that the organization chose to bring in Ellison instead of promoting Dickerson, I think that pretty much kills his chances of a major league career. If they weren't going to promote him in August when they had a need for exactly that kind of player, why will they ever? This organization isn't going to use him.

BoydsOfSummer
09-01-2007, 05:40 PM
Coincidently, Buck Coats is my porn alias.

AmarilloRed
09-01-2007, 06:08 PM
This was Dickerson's first year at Louisville. The Reds may think he will need some more development at Louisville before he is a MLB player. Coats will cut down on his playing time in Louisville, though.