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fearofpopvol1
09-02-2007, 10:52 PM
I know this may sound like a crazy idea, but what about trying to resign Milton? His contract would undoubtebly be reasonable. I know he's not been good for the Reds and was grossly overpaid. I know he's a flyball pitcher and most of RZ doesn't like him. With the pitching market as thin as it is and the Reds desperately needing starting pitcher, I don't think it's a terrible idea to consider if the contract is cheap. Even though the sample size was small, he didn't pitch that bad in his appearences this year. Further, maybe after the surgery, he'll regain a little more of his velocity.

Again, I know, it sounds like a crazy idea. The starting pitching has to come from somewhere though.

Chip R
09-02-2007, 11:06 PM
Yes, this is horrible, this idea.

NC Reds
09-02-2007, 11:09 PM
I think I would rather stick a sharp object in my eye.

Tom Servo
09-02-2007, 11:13 PM
:thumbdown

marcshoe
09-02-2007, 11:15 PM
That was a brave, brave opening post. As brave as the Union soldiers who charged across the pontoon bridge at Fredericksburg. The results will likely be similar.

SteelSD
09-02-2007, 11:16 PM
http://www.encyclopediadramatica.com/images/0/02/DONOTWANT_doggy2.jpg

WVRedsFan
09-02-2007, 11:20 PM
Compare Eric Milton to Matt Belisle, Elizardo Ramierez, Phil D., et al and he doesn't look all that bad.

But, no.

corkedbat
09-02-2007, 11:23 PM
http://www.encyclopediadramatica.com/images/0/02/DONOTWANT_doggy2.jpg

My feelings exactly. :D

Maloney may or may not be ready for the rotation next year, but I can't see him being any worse an option than Milton and at a lot less money (even with a sizeable salary rollback for EM).

Col_ IN Reds fan
09-02-2007, 11:25 PM
Time to cut all ties to Milton.

edabbs44
09-02-2007, 11:33 PM
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Joseph
09-02-2007, 11:39 PM
I've actually thought the same thing FOPV1.

Low cost 1 year deal with an option, see what happens since there is nothing on the market.

fearofpopvol1
09-02-2007, 11:48 PM
I was expecting this kind of response mostly which is fine.

I don't think Milton is a great pitcher and he's not well suited for GAB, but given that we have at least 2 if not 3 question marks for the rotation for 2008 (possibly with no lefties in the mix), I think it's worth considering. A cheap 1 year deal. Heck, if anything, Milton may feel obligated to want to take the option up since a.) he's fell very short of his expectations in Cincy and b.) he can try to prove himself for a bigger contract beyond the 1-year deal. I'd feel much more comfortable running Milton out there then Dumatrait.

Crosley68
09-02-2007, 11:49 PM
If you have to count Milton as one of your 5 starters, then you don't plan on winning. I can think of no senario in which Eric could be part of a championship rotation.

RBA
09-02-2007, 11:57 PM
Must be the heat. It makes people say some crazy things. fearofpopvol1, try cooling down at the library or a nice dip in the Ohio River.

LoganBuck
09-03-2007, 12:01 AM
I can think of no senario in which Eric could be part of a championship rotation.

Is a senario worse than a scenario? jk

Worst Idea Ever Floated on the ORG.

Ron Madden
09-03-2007, 12:15 AM
I hope not.

pahster
09-03-2007, 12:18 AM
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OnBaseMachine
09-03-2007, 12:34 AM
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fearofpopvol1
09-03-2007, 12:49 AM
I'd love to hear REALISTIC opinions from the opposition on what better options exist given a.) the reds salary limitations, b.) the upcoming free agent pitching market (including the inflated prices for pitching) c.) the starting pitching (or lack there of) in the Reds minor leagues by opening day 2008 and d.) those who don't want to trade much of the offense, HIGHLY overvalue it or expect to be able to trade Dunn/Griff/Hatteberg to another team for a king's ransom.

I should also state that this assumes that he has a full-recovery from his Tommy John surgery.

Ron Madden
09-03-2007, 12:53 AM
I'd love to hear REALISTIC opinions from the opposition on what better options exist

Eric Milton has only one knee.

Eric Milton was not all that good when he had two knees.

fearofpopvol1
09-03-2007, 12:57 AM
Eric Milton has only one knee.

Eric Milton was not all that good when he had two knees.

You highlighted part of my post but failed to answer the question(s) I posed. :dunno:

Ron Madden
09-03-2007, 01:00 AM
You highlighted part of my post but failed to answer the question(s) I posed. :dunno:


All I'm sayin' is Eric Milton is not an option. ;)

SteelSD
09-03-2007, 01:00 AM
Eric Milton has only one knee.

Eric Milton was not all that good when he had two knees.

Bingo. Now one knee and Tommy John surgery. Yet we're being asked for "realistic" options to perpetually injured and awful crap.

The answer would be "Just about anyone".

fearofpopvol1
09-03-2007, 01:08 AM
Bingo. Now one knee and Tommy John surgery. Yet we're being asked for "realistic" options to perpetually injured and awful crap.

The answer would be "Just about anyone".

I think his knee will be fine. While TJS is never preferred, our #1 draft pick this year had TJS (under the age of 18).

KronoRed
09-03-2007, 01:23 AM
What did Eric Milton show in the last 3 years that says "well he's not so bad"?

IMO he showed "Dan O was a lunatic with money to spend" time and time again

fearofpopvol1
09-03-2007, 01:32 AM
At the same time, what have the other potential starting pitchers (outside of Harang and Arroyo) proven at the big league level?

SteelSD
09-03-2007, 01:33 AM
I think his knee will be fine. While TJS is never preferred, our #1 draft pick this year had TJS (under the age of 18).

Our #1 draft pick was entirely questionable and he'd already recovered from TJ surgery. Milton's knee will NEVER be fine. It's a degenerative condition with no potential for healing.

There wasnt' any upside to acquiring Milton in the first place and there's no upside in keeping him around now. The guy has been multiples of awful in a Reds uniform and there's no reason to think that will change.

fearofpopvol1
09-03-2007, 01:51 AM
Our #1 draft pick was entirely questionable and he'd already recovered from TJ surgery. Milton's knee will NEVER be fine. It's a degenerative condition with no potential for healing.

There wasnt' any upside to acquiring Milton in the first place and there's no upside in keeping him around now. The guy has been multiples of awful in a Reds uniform and there's no reason to think that will change.

Bum knee or not, his numbers may look better than what the backend of the rotataion is shaping up to look like for 2008.

Tom Servo
09-03-2007, 02:23 AM
I'll admit that Milton may be better than Dumatrait and the Lizard, but I'm not in favor of putting any of them in the rotation. For the love of all that is holy the Reds should just let Milton walk and forget he ever existed.

BoydsOfSummer
09-03-2007, 02:35 AM
"You can't do that...if you do that, you'll have more hell over it than a little bit!"--Bum Phillips

KronoRed
09-03-2007, 02:36 AM
At the same time, what have the other potential starting pitchers (outside of Harang and Arroyo) proven at the big league level?

Squat, but at least they are cheap squat.

jmcclain19
09-03-2007, 02:56 AM
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nate
09-03-2007, 07:38 AM
I'd love to see Eric Milton in the NL Central. Preferably, the Cubs.

If he went to St. Louis, he'd probably turn into Sandy Koufax.

LoganBuck
09-03-2007, 07:51 AM
His knee is has not been right for 5 years now, and it will not be getting any better.

He has a bum arm now that he probably can't rehab correctly because of his knee.

Milton has less upside, then ANY number of potential options.

I do believe that the Reds must trade a bat or two to acquire pitching. The question becomes "Who do you trade and who do you get in return?"

Matt700wlw
09-03-2007, 10:16 AM
The idea is to improve....

Eric Milton does not help the Cincinnati Reds improve.

GAC
09-03-2007, 10:28 AM
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"Let the name of Milton be stricken from every book and tablet, stricken from all pylons and obelisks, stricken from every monument of Great American Ballpark. Let the name of Milton be unheard and unspoken, erased from the memory of men for all time. So it is written. So it shall be done!"

M2
09-03-2007, 10:50 AM
Bum knee or not, his numbers may look better than what the backend of the rotataion is shaping up to look like for 2008.

Oh, I figure the Reds can do better than a 5.59 ERA, which is what Milton gave them over his three seasons with the team.

Beyond that, Milton wouldn't be able to deliver that next year anyway. Pitchers don't recover from TJ that quickly (see Guardado, Eddie).

Honestly, if you don't think the Reds can do better than Eric Milton then that's as dim a view of the franchise's prospects as any I've heard in quite some time. They can and they should.

paintmered
09-03-2007, 11:10 AM
The only thing worse than Eric Milton is an injured Eric Milton.

No mas.

PuffyPig
09-03-2007, 11:19 AM
I think I would rather stick a sharp object in my eye.

I agree, I would rather stick a sharp object in your eye too.

:D

jojo
09-03-2007, 11:23 AM
I think his knee will be fine. While TJS is never preferred, our #1 draft pick this year had TJS (under the age of 18).

Milton at this point is a replacement level pitcher. You give those minor league contracts.

Matt700wlw
09-03-2007, 11:24 AM
http://www.chadedge.com/personal/harbl/_full/do-not-want-birds.jpg


And if the Reds were to...

http://www.encyclopediadramatica.com/images/2/23/Limecat_not_pleased.jpg

jojo
09-03-2007, 11:26 AM
At the same time, what have the other potential starting pitchers (outside of Harang and Arroyo) proven at the big league level?

IMHO, "proven at the big league level" is the most overrated concept ...eva

RedsBaron
09-03-2007, 02:46 PM
In a now infamous opinion in which he affirmed the sterilization of a mentally impaired woman, U.S. Supreme Court Justice Oliver Wendell Homes wrote something to the effect that "three generations of idiots are enough."
Three seasons of Eric Milton are enough.
The chances of Milton ever being a consistently effective MLB pitcher are too minimal to waste roster space for.

nate
09-03-2007, 03:02 PM
It will be interesting to see where he turns up.

Tom Servo
09-03-2007, 03:11 PM
It will be interesting to see where he turns up.
Much like you suggested with tongue in cheek, I actually predicted on another forum that he goes to the Cardinals. They'd probably try him as a long man/specialist/spot starter. Plus he can hit. He's perfect for La Russa.

pedro
09-03-2007, 05:35 PM
What about hitting myself in the head with a hammer?

Chip R
09-03-2007, 05:55 PM
It will be interesting to see where he turns up.


He can join all the other ex-Reds on the Long Island Ducks.

fearofpopvol1
09-03-2007, 06:31 PM
If you look at Belisle, Livingston, Dumatrait and Ramirez's ERAs, it's pretty comparable to Milton. Milton was prone to some really terrible outings, no doubt. But he also turned in some solid outings. Many more than the above named pitchers.

CTA513
09-03-2007, 06:47 PM
I would try and use that money on another pitcher that doesn't have knee and arm problems.

M2
09-03-2007, 07:21 PM
If you look at Belisle, Livingston, Dumatrait and Ramirez's ERAs, it's pretty comparable to Milton. Milton was prone to some really terrible outings, no doubt. But he also turned in some solid outings. Many more than the above named pitchers.

Man, you are like a pit bull on a bad idea steak with this one.

Belisle, hopefully, will be able to improve now that he's got some experience (it's why teams like the Reds give innings to untested pitchers in the first place). Dumatrait and probably Ramirez have no business pitching in the majors.

Milton's not going to improve. In fact, he's not going to pitch because starting pitchers don't come back that fast from TJ surgery and Milton's so lousy that his recuperating version probably won't be able to pitch in AA let alone the majors. Beyond that, his knee will never get better (a fact that no matter how many times you point to it some people refuse to acknowledge it).

So, Milton almost certainly won't be fit to pitch next year on top of being an awful pitcher. Seriously, why not bring in Paul Wilson or Ramon Ortiz or Luke Hudson? Heck, let's collect 'em all and shoot for 121 losses.

Cedric
09-03-2007, 07:27 PM
Why? Are you trying to kill the rest of us diehard fans left?

For the record I don't think Belisle, Ramirez, or Dumatrait will ever be anywhere near league average.

RBA
09-03-2007, 07:56 PM
fearofpopvol1 = Milton's Agent?

LoganBuck
09-03-2007, 10:20 PM
Sign him to pitch batting practice as a lefty specialist to Dunn, Hamilton, Bruce, and Votto.

fearofpopvol1
09-03-2007, 11:04 PM
It's totally cool that so many think it's a bad idea. I'm fine with that, but nobody yet has suggested REALISTIC better alternatives, which sort of proves my point.

jojo
09-03-2007, 11:12 PM
It's totally cool that so many think it's a bad idea. I'm fine with that, but nobody yet has suggested REALISTIC better alternatives, which sort of proves my point.

Belisle is 100% a better idea. Tomko is 100% a better idea. Loaiza would've been 100% a better idea. Trading for Edwin Jackson would be 100% a better idea.

M2
09-03-2007, 11:14 PM
It's totally cool that so many think it's a bad idea. I'm fine with that, but nobody yet has suggested REALISTIC better alternatives, which sort of proves my point.

Umm, Milton's not a realistic alternative because realistically he won't throw a major league pitch in 2008. Literally, you could name just about any pitcher in the majors and AAA and he would be a more realistic alternative.

M2
09-03-2007, 11:23 PM
Trading for Edwin Jackson would be 100% a better idea.

I got within a few hundred yards of Jackson on Saturday without a containment and now I'm terrified because he's so bad he's radioactive.

He works incredibly slow on the mound and that bugs me to no end. It's almost like he's scared to throw his next pitch.

If you want to pluck an ineffective pitcher from the D-Rays, I suggest J.P. Howell. Lefty, great K rates, keeps the ball on the ground. He probably won't be effective in the majors until 2009 or 2010, but he's a pitcher of interest for me.

RFS62
09-03-2007, 11:24 PM
"Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it."

~ George Santayana

wally post
09-04-2007, 12:09 AM
Wow... four pages. who woulda thought!

KronoRed
09-04-2007, 01:26 AM
Wow... four pages. who woulda thought!

Only 2 on 30 posts per page :D

GAC
09-04-2007, 04:02 AM
"Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it."

~ George Santayana

Was that the guitarist or the guy who beat up on those 186 men at the Alamo?

RedlegJake
09-04-2007, 08:15 AM
No way. He isn't healthy, won't be recovered fully for another year, has a degenerative knee, is a flyball pitcher in a home run park, BUT - he IS a plucky veteran presence. Knowing the Reds predilection for that ilk you may get what you wish for. You know what is said about that!

membengal
09-04-2007, 08:32 AM
Things that would disable this fine site, if in the same off-season the Reds:

1. Signed Eric Milton to a new contract
2. Declined the option on Adam Dunn's 2008.

The resulting meltdown would be Chernoybl-esque. And deservedly so.

15fan
09-04-2007, 09:45 AM
While we're at it, let's scrap the formula for Coca-Cola.

Highlifeman21
09-04-2007, 10:00 AM
I've actually thought the same thing FOPV1.

Low cost 1 year deal with an option, see what happens since there is nothing on the market.

Why pretend that we're going to contend in 2008?

Since there is no FA pitching worth signing, why waste the money? There aren't 3 arms out there in the FA market that will boost us to the playoffs for 2008, so don't spend the money. Attempt to develop Cueto and Bailey, and see what happens with Belisle. If those 3 don't look like they are ready for 2009, then spend some FA money for arms.

jojo
09-04-2007, 10:09 AM
I got within a few hundred yards of Jackson on Saturday without a containment and now I'm terrified because he's so bad he's radioactive.

He works incredibly slow on the mound and that bugs me to no end. It's almost like he's scared to throw his next pitch.

If you want to pluck an ineffective pitcher from the D-Rays, I suggest J.P. Howell. Lefty, great K rates, keeps the ball on the ground. He probably won't be effective in the majors until 2009 or 2010, but he's a pitcher of interest for me.

I don't disagree with any of your assessment. That said, EJ is still a better idea than EM.

Highlifeman21
09-04-2007, 11:40 AM
It's totally cool that so many think it's a bad idea. I'm fine with that, but nobody yet has suggested REALISTIC better alternatives, which sort of proves my point.

Why waste the money when we aren't in a place to contend for the division?