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Reds Fanatic
09-05-2007, 10:44 AM
Reds Starting Lineup from Trent:


Hamilton cf
Gonzalez ss
Griffey rf
Phillips 2b
Dunn lf
Valentin c
Encarnacion 3b
Votto 1b
Shearn p

flyer85
09-05-2007, 10:46 AM
BTW, CW said yesterday that Pete really likes Gonzo in the 2 hole versus RHPs.

That's the way, uh huh, uh huh ...

BRM
09-05-2007, 10:50 AM
BTW, CW said yesterday that Pete really likes Gonzo in the 2 hole versus RHPs.

That's the way, uh huh, uh huh ...

Well, he does have an OPS of .856 vs RHP this year. The OBP is only .333 though.

Puffy
09-05-2007, 10:50 AM
BTW, CW said yesterday that Pete really likes Gonzo in the 2 hole versus RHPs.

That's the way, uh huh, uh huh ...

Thats enough right there to end the managerial interview process this winter. "Thanks for your hard work Pete, but we wanna go in another direction"

flyer85
09-05-2007, 10:52 AM
Well, he does have an OPS of .856 vs RHP this year. The OBP is only .333 though.which suggests 6 or 7 hole.

The problem the Reds have is none of the RH hitters are good OBP guys and we know Pete(and Jerry) loves the L-R-L-R stuff.

Sad part is a Hamilton, Votto, Jr, Dunn quartet to start the lineup would scare the hell out of any RHP. Maybe if the Reds got early leads those late inning ABs wouldn't mean as much.

cumberlandreds
09-05-2007, 10:53 AM
Reds Starting Lineup from Trent:


Here's to Votto's first MLB start and a start to a hopefully great career! :beerme:

flyer85
09-05-2007, 10:55 AM
Here's to Votto's first MLB start and a start to a hopefully great career! :beerme:batting him 8th is not a real good way to kick off his career.

BRM
09-05-2007, 10:55 AM
batting him 8th is not a real good way to kick off his career.

I'm sure it's Pete's way of breaking him in easy.

cumberlandreds
09-05-2007, 11:02 AM
batting him 8th is not a real good way to kick off his career.


Nothing wrong in breaking a guy in slow. Batting 8th should take off some pressure.

TOBTTReds
09-05-2007, 11:07 AM
batting him 8th is not a real good way to kick off his career.

Yeah, but Tom is such a force at the plate, he is gauranteed to see strikes.

BRM
09-05-2007, 11:07 AM
Nothing wrong in breaking a guy in slow. Batting 8th should take off some pressure.

True. Batting him 2nd would get him better pitches to hit though.

flyer85
09-05-2007, 11:13 AM
Nothing wrong in breaking a guy in slow. Batting 8th should take off some pressure.also make sure he doesn't see much to hit.

cumberlandreds
09-05-2007, 11:41 AM
Meet your Mets lineup for today per Trent:


And for the Metropolitans:
Chavez lf
Castillo 2b
Wright 3b
Beltran cf
Conine 1b
Gotay ss
Milledge rf
DiFelice c
Maine p

flyer85
09-05-2007, 11:49 AM
Meet your Mets lineup for today per Trent:


And for the Metropolitans:
Chavez lf
Castillo 2b
Wright 3b
Beltran cf
Conine 1b
Gotay ss
Milledge rf
DiFelice c
Maine pWille hasn't heard, Conine is a cleanup hitter. :D

That lineup is still likely to smoke Mr. Shearn.

redsmetz
09-05-2007, 12:12 PM
batting him 8th is not a real good way to kick off his career.

Somewhat unrelated, but I thought I'd see where some other former Reds batted in their first games. I got as far as Perez and Bench, both of whom batted 4th or 5th, but I noticed something in Bench's first game which, were it to happen now, would have given half of Redszone strokes - in the bottom of the 9th with no one out and Tommy Helms on first base, Chico Ruiz (bench me or trade me) pinch hit for Johnny. Oh my, how we would have howled. JB, BTW, went 0-3 with 2 K's. Whatta bum.

cumberlandreds
09-05-2007, 12:27 PM
Here are some former notable Reds and where they batted in their first MLB start per Retrosheet:

Bench 7th
Perez 5th
Rose 2nd
E. Davis 2nd
Larkin 1st

Looks like it's all over the lineup and it really doesn't matter especially when your team is hopelessly out of it in September.

BRM
09-05-2007, 12:29 PM
Looks like it's all over the lineup and it really doesn't matter especially when your team is hopelessly out of it in September.

The fact the team is hopelessly out of it would be a good reason to bat Votto higher in the order. It would give him a better chance at seeing good pitches.

Always Red
09-05-2007, 12:33 PM
From retrosheet, Bench batted 7th in 1967, and only 7th from his debut on 8/28 to the end of the season.


Date # Opponent GS AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI BB IBB SO HBP SH SF XI ROE GDP SB CS AVG OBP SLG BP Pos
8-28-1967 BOX+PBP VS PHI N 1 3 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 2 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .000 .000 .000 7 c
8-29-1967 BOX+PBP VS PHI N 1 3 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 2 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .000 .000 .000 7 c
8-30-1967 BOX+PBP VS PHI N 1 2 0 1 0 0 0 1 0 0 1 0 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 .125 .111 .125 7 c
8-31-1967 BOX+PBP VS SF N 1 3 0 1 1 0 0 2 0 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .182 .167 .273 7 c
9- 1-1967 BOX+PBP VS SF N 1 8 0 3 1 0 0 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .263 .250 .368 7 c
9- 2-1967 BOX+PBP VS SF N 1 4 0 1 1 0 0 0 0 0 2 0 0 0 0 0 1 0 0 .261 .250 .391 7 c
9- 3-1967 BOX+PBP VS SF N 1 3 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .231 .222 .346 7 c
9- 4-1967 BOX+PBP VS NY N 1 4 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .200 .194 .300 7 c
9- 6-1967 BOX+PBP AT PHI N 1 3 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 2 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .182 .176 .273 7 c
9- 7-1967 BOX+PBP AT PHI N 1 4 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .162 .158 .243 7 c
9- 8-1967 1 BOX+PBP AT NY N 1 4 1 2 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .195 .190 .268 7 c
9- 9-1967 BOX+PBP AT NY N 1 3 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 .182 .196 .250 7 c
9-10-1967 BOX+PBP AT NY N 1 3 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 .170 .184 .234 7 c
9-11-1967 BOX+PBP VS PIT N 1 3 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .160 .173 .220 7 c
9-12-1967 BOX+PBP VS PIT N 1 4 1 0 0 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 .148 .175 .204 7 c
9-13-1967 BOX+PBP VS PIT N 1 3 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 0 0 .140 .167 .193 7 c
9-15-1967 BOX+PBP VS STL N 1 3 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .150 .175 .200 7 c
9-16-1967 BOX+PBP VS STL N 1 2 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 0 0 .145 .169 .194 7 c
9-17-1967 BOX+PBP VS STL N 1 1 1 0 0 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .143 .179 .190 7 c
9-18-1967 BOX+PBP AT ATL N 1 4 1 1 0 1 0 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .149 .183 .224 7 c
Date # Opponent GS AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI BB IBB SO HBP SH SF XI ROE GDP SB CS AVG OBP SLG BP Pos
9-19-1967 BOX+PBP AT ATL N 1 3 1 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .157 .189 .229 7 c
9-20-1967 BOX+PBP AT ATL N 1 5 1 3 0 0 1 3 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .187 .215 .293 7 c
9-22-1967 BOX+PBP AT CHI N 1 4 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 0 0 .177 .205 .278 7 c
9-26-1967 BOX+PBP VS ATL N 1 3 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 .171 .207 .268 7 c
9-28-1967 1 BOX+PBP VS ATL N 1 3 1 0 0 0 0 0 1 0 2 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .165 .209 .259 7 c
9-29-1967 BOX+PBP VS CHI N 1 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .163 .207 .256 7 c

cumberlandreds
09-05-2007, 12:41 PM
Shearn has an easy 1st inning. Three ground ball outs. Mets out in order.

BRM
09-05-2007, 12:45 PM
Gonzalez the #2 hitter with a single. Mackanin is a genius.

NJReds
09-05-2007, 12:49 PM
batting him 8th is not a real good way to kick off his career.

Pete M. batted 8th in his first game, and it worked for him. ;)

cumberlandreds
09-05-2007, 12:49 PM
Phillips hits number 28!!!!!!!!!!!! Breaks Morgan's record!

Cyclone792
09-05-2007, 12:50 PM
Congrats to Brandon Phillips for breaking the single season Reds franchise record for homers by a second baseman!

cumberlandreds
09-05-2007, 12:51 PM
Dunn K's to end the First. 2-0 Reds after one.

oneupper
09-05-2007, 12:52 PM
That makes HRs in consecutive ABs for BP (he hit one last night in the 9th).

cumberlandreds
09-05-2007, 12:57 PM
Votto guns down Beltran trying to go third on a ground ball!

Razor Shines
09-05-2007, 12:58 PM
Votto showin off the gun. 6-3-5 DP.

Cyclone792
09-05-2007, 12:58 PM
I didn't see it since the game's not televised here, but apparently Joey Votto makes his first big play as a Red ... defensively ... by throwing out Carlos Beltran at third base after receiving a putout from Gonzalez.

oneupper
09-05-2007, 12:59 PM
I didn't see it since the game's not televised here, but apparently Joey Votto makes his first big play as a Red ... defensively ... by throwing out Carlos Beltran at third base after receiving a putout from Gonzalez.

Beltran was running from first on a Hit and Run, Conine grounded to short and Beltran decided to try for third. Votto gunned him out with a nice throw.

cumberlandreds
09-05-2007, 01:01 PM
Shearn survives two walks and leaves the Mets scoreless. 2-0 Reds in the 2nd.

edabbs44
09-05-2007, 01:05 PM
I didn't see it since the game's not televised here, but apparently Joey Votto makes his first big play as a Red ... defensively ... by throwing out Carlos Beltran at third base after receiving a putout from Gonzalez.

Impossible...AAAA players who struggle defensively don't do those kind of things.

redsfan30
09-05-2007, 01:05 PM
Votto!!

Cyclone792
09-05-2007, 01:05 PM
Votto drills a bomb off the batter's eye for his first major league hit and home run!

cumberlandreds
09-05-2007, 01:06 PM
Votto Homers!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Off the batters eye at that!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Batting 8th was bad move for sure................

Razor Shines
09-05-2007, 01:06 PM
That was a bomb.

Danny Serafini
09-05-2007, 01:07 PM
I'm getting the impression that this Votto guy doesn't stink.

Caveat Emperor
09-05-2007, 01:07 PM
That was a bomb.

It must've been -- I heard the Fireworks all the way up on 9th street. :thumbup:

cumberlandreds
09-05-2007, 01:07 PM
Inning over. Votto's home run makes it 3-0 Reds after two.

indy_dave00
09-05-2007, 01:09 PM
Welcome to the bigs Joey Votto - Congrats watched him several times vs the Indians he has an effortless stroke

dougdirt
09-05-2007, 01:10 PM
So is Joey Votto good?

TOBTTReds
09-05-2007, 01:11 PM
HR was on changup. Nice to see after last nights game.

cumberlandreds
09-05-2007, 01:13 PM
Easy inning for Shearn,1-2-3. 3-0 Reds in the third.

indy_dave00
09-05-2007, 01:14 PM
What I like about Votto , Hamilton and Bruce is they all have power to all fields . They can go yard going with a pitch , none of the 3 are dead pull hitters. Watched Votto homer to left in Indy on July 4th and hit another off the wall in left.

PuffyPig
09-05-2007, 01:14 PM
The amazing thing about Votto's Hr is that the pitch (a change up?) was low and a bit inside. It wa sa good pitch. He golfed it out of the park to CF!!!

remdog
09-05-2007, 01:16 PM
Votto drills a bomb off the batter's eye for his first major league hit and home run!

Everything about that is correct except it wasn't off the batter's eye. It landed on the grass to the right.

First time I've actually seen a Votto AB. Not bad; what's he do for an encore? :lol:

Maybe it's the TV feed but, when Joey hit that ball there was no sound----usually when that happens it means the ball was perfectly struck. The results would also indicate that. :)

Rem

cumberlandreds
09-05-2007, 01:16 PM
Hamilton doubles then is thrown trying to stretch it into triple.

cumberlandreds
09-05-2007, 01:18 PM
Junior with a two out double.

oneupper
09-05-2007, 01:19 PM
Hamilton doubles then is thrown trying to stretch it into triple.

Beltran kind of dogged it and Hamilton thought he'd be smart.

But it wasn't. Lesson learned I hope.

cumberlandreds
09-05-2007, 01:19 PM
Phillips HBP as the pitch grazes off his arm.

remdog
09-05-2007, 01:20 PM
Beltran kind of dogged it and Hamilton thought he'd be smart.

But it wasn't. Lesson learned I hope.


Ya' think Beltran 'deeked' him? :lol:

Rem

Heath
09-05-2007, 01:20 PM
Beltran dogging it is about full speed for 75% of Major League Baseball players.

I think Hamilton will put a note in his book.

cumberlandreds
09-05-2007, 01:20 PM
Dunn walks and bases are loaded for Javy.

KronoRed
09-05-2007, 01:21 PM
Welcome to the majors Mr.Votto :D

cumberlandreds
09-05-2007, 01:22 PM
Javy grounds out hard but out. 3-0 Reds.

LincolnparkRed
09-05-2007, 01:24 PM
Hopefully our pitchers can keep it under 10 today and end this streak.

Danny Serafini
09-05-2007, 01:27 PM
Well, so much for the no hitter. Encarnacion misfires trying to throw out Castillo after a bunt, single and the runner goes to 2nd.

oneupper
09-05-2007, 01:27 PM
Castillo gets on with a bunt. EE throws it past Votto who can't pick it. Castillo to second.

cumberlandreds
09-05-2007, 01:31 PM
Beltran K's for the first out.

cumberlandreds
09-05-2007, 01:33 PM
Conine fly's out for the 2nd out.

cumberlandreds
09-05-2007, 01:35 PM
Line drive right at Votto for the third out. Shearn did a great job to get out of that jam. 3-0 Reds in the 4th.

cumberlandreds
09-05-2007, 01:38 PM
EdE doubles to start the 4th. Just missed hitting it out.

cumberlandreds
09-05-2007, 01:39 PM
Scared of Votto,Maine walks him on a 3-2 pitch.

cumberlandreds
09-05-2007, 01:40 PM
Shearn sacrifices the runners over for Hamilton to drive in.

cumberlandreds
09-05-2007, 01:41 PM
Hamilton does just that as he singles to drive in the two runners. 5-0 Reds.

Danny Serafini
09-05-2007, 01:42 PM
Shearn must love these hitters, he's never lacked for run support.

remdog
09-05-2007, 01:43 PM
I know it's been said before but dang, Hamilton has a nice, quick bat.

Two more runs for the Reds with Josh's single to right-center.

Rem

cumberlandreds
09-05-2007, 01:43 PM
I lost my feed of WATH. MLB cops must have came and shut it off.

remdog
09-05-2007, 01:47 PM
Jr. grounds out to end the inning.

Rem

LincolnparkRed
09-05-2007, 01:47 PM
I lost my feed of WATH. MLB cops must have came and shut it off.

Try a sling box. If you have Direct Tv at home you can watch your home tv on your computer. I am at work watching my bosses Direct tv broadcast on my computer. Isn't technology great.

remdog
09-05-2007, 01:50 PM
On a day like today, when the game is a 'morning game' here in CA and I'm just working around the house, I take time to stop and watch two hitters bat: Jr. and Hamilton. I love their strokes and I like to watch how they approach each pitch and each AB.

Today I've added Votto to that small group since it's the first time I've had a chance to see him bat.

Rem

cumberlandreds
09-05-2007, 01:54 PM
Try a sling box. If you have Direct Tv at home you can watch your home tv on your computer. I am at work watching my bosses Direct tv broadcast on my computer. Isn't technology great.

I'm at work too. No DirecTv in sight here. I have DISH at home so I doubt that it works with them

Cyclone792
09-05-2007, 01:56 PM
Scared of Votto,Maine walks him on a 3-2 pitch.

Many Reds fans may not yet realize it, but a significant chunk of Votto's offensive worth is his ability to take walks and get on base. Votto's not going to hit .325, and he may not hit 30 homers, but he'll take his share of walks and get on base. If Reds fans are going to like him long term, they'll have to accept the premise that his offensive worth revolves quite a bit around the base on balls.

2006-07: Votto's PA/BB is 7.88. Per 550 plate appearances, that's 70 walks. Per 600 plate appearances, that's 76 walks. Per 650 plate appearances, that's 83 walks.

PuffyPig
09-05-2007, 02:01 PM
Many Reds fans may not yet realize it, but a significant chunk of Votto's offensive worth is his ability to take walks and get on base. Votto's not going to hit .325, and he may not hit 30 homers, but he'll take his share of walks and get on base. If Reds fans are going to like him long term, they'll have to accept the premise that his offensive worth revolves quite a bit around the base on balls.

2006-07: Votto's PA/BB is 7.88. Per 550 plate appearances, that's 70 walks. Per 600 plate appearances, that's 76 walks. Per 650 plate appearances, that's 83 walks.

The difference between getting 80 walks a year and getting 30, is often the difference of making the major leagues and not.

If Phillips walked 80 times a year, his OBA and OPS would be about 100 points higher, and he would be a near MVP candidate. As it is, he's a very nice player with great counting stats, but is likely offensively overrated.

redsmetz
09-05-2007, 02:03 PM
EE knocks in Dunner. Nice work.

This team is so schizophrenic.

oneupper
09-05-2007, 02:04 PM
EE knocks in Dunner. Nice work.

This team is so schizophrenic.

EdE over .300 Post ASG.

oneupper
09-05-2007, 02:05 PM
Collazo (LH) v Votto.

oneupper
09-05-2007, 02:06 PM
Votto singles to LF!

remdog
09-05-2007, 02:06 PM
Votto goes to left off a lefty. Like to see that. Impressive.

Rem

oneupper
09-05-2007, 02:07 PM
Shearn does a stupid... DP. (Just Strike out Tommy).

Tom Servo
09-05-2007, 02:08 PM
Too bad that Votto guy is a AAAA player.

cumberlandreds
09-05-2007, 02:09 PM
Shearn does a stupid... DP. (Just Strike out Tommy).

In a case like that I wouldn't mind if the manager told the pitcher to just take. If you walk great,if not it's fine too just a K.

oneupper
09-05-2007, 02:10 PM
Too bad that Votto guy is a AAAA player.

Vottos OPS comes down from 2.667 to 2.417. Slacker!

Cyclone792
09-05-2007, 02:10 PM
The difference between getting 80 walks a year and getting 30, is often the difference of making the major leagues and not.

If Phillips walked 80 times a year, his OBA and OPS would be about 100 points higher, and he would be a near MVP candidate. As it is, he's a very nice player with great counting stats, but is likely offensively overrated.

Yep, and your comment on Phillips is ironic considering he broke Morgan's single season franchise HR record by a Reds second baseman. Phillips may now have Morgan's record, but he still isn't in the same universe as Morgan the overall player. Phillips would have to add around 100 walks and 40 stolen bases (at a clip of 80-85 percent) to what he's already doing to actually be the next Morgan. That's a difference of an ungodly amount of runs.

remdog
09-05-2007, 02:17 PM
What'a you know....for once the Reds soft tosser is frustrating another team instead of the other way around. After breaking the 10 run barrier two nights in a row the Mets have 'nada'. (famous shrug)

Rem

remdog
09-05-2007, 02:19 PM
So much for breaking to watch Hamilton bat as Norris Hopper pinch hits and singles to right.

Rem

remdog
09-05-2007, 02:21 PM
Gonzo walks to bring up Jr. with runners at 1st and 2nd.

Rem

remdog
09-05-2007, 02:22 PM
Jr. pops out foul.

Rem

remdog
09-05-2007, 02:25 PM
BP hits into a DP. Inning over.

Rem

oneupper
09-05-2007, 02:25 PM
REDS giving up a LOT of good chances.

Tom Servo
09-05-2007, 02:28 PM
I have my doubts Shearn will get the W here.

BCubb2003
09-05-2007, 02:28 PM
Is Tom Shearns our stopper now?

oneupper
09-05-2007, 02:29 PM
Is Tom Shearns our stopper now?

We can call him Pepto Bismol.

remdog
09-05-2007, 02:31 PM
Is Tom Shearns our stopper now?


Gotta' give him credit---he got the job done today.

Rem

penantboundreds
09-05-2007, 02:32 PM
hey i just got back from class....what happened to hamilton?

BRM
09-05-2007, 02:34 PM
hey i just got back from class....what happened to hamilton?

Hopper pinch-hit for him.

penantboundreds
09-05-2007, 02:34 PM
why? was this discussed earlier? is he hurt?

BRM
09-05-2007, 02:35 PM
why? was this discussed earlier? is he hurt?

He's not hurt. A lefty was on the mound for the Mets.

Danny Serafini
09-05-2007, 02:36 PM
They said Hamilton may have tweaked something catching a line drive in the 5th.

oneupper
09-05-2007, 02:36 PM
He's not hurt. A lefty was on the mound for the Mets.

Hate to say this, but I did see hammy pull up after a long fly out.

MississippiRed
09-05-2007, 02:36 PM
He's not hurt. A lefty was on the mound for the Mets.
Another example of a reason to say, "Thanks, Pete. We're going to go in another direction."

BRM
09-05-2007, 02:38 PM
They said Hamilton may have tweaked something catching a line drive in the 5th.


Hate to say this, but I did see hammy pull up after a long fly out.

Thanks for clarifying guys. I didn't see or hear it and Gameday just listed it as Hopper pinch-hitting.

penantboundreds
09-05-2007, 02:38 PM
Well I hope he is okay...I can't see a L-R pinch hitter in the sixth inning, that doesn't make any sense.

remdog
09-05-2007, 02:39 PM
I like Norris OK but hitting for Hamilton at that point serves no purpose IMO. Let Josh get an AB against a lefty that looks pretty hitable. Plus, Hopper, IMO, doesn't bring any better defense to the OF. (miffed)

Rem

remdog
09-05-2007, 02:41 PM
They said Hamilton may have tweaked something catching a line drive in the 5th.

I'm watching on EI and they didn't say anything but it's the Met announcers so they might not know/care.

Was that reported on the Reds radio?

Rem

Danny Serafini
09-05-2007, 02:43 PM
Was that reported on the Reds radio?

Yes, just a quick mention, no real details.

Danny Serafini
09-05-2007, 02:45 PM
7-0. Dunn doubles, Valentin pops out, Encarnacion doubles. Votto up.

NJReds
09-05-2007, 02:46 PM
Humber pitching for the Mets.

oneupper
09-05-2007, 02:46 PM
Votto with another hit to LF.

BRM
09-05-2007, 02:46 PM
Votto is having a very nice day. He's one of the best AAAA players I've seen.

Danny Serafini
09-05-2007, 02:46 PM
Jeff Brantley sounds impressed.

oneupper
09-05-2007, 02:46 PM
Buck Coats looks like he's 15.

VR
09-05-2007, 02:46 PM
7-0. Dunn doubles, Valentin pops out, Encarnacion doubles. Votto up.

EE batting .444 w/ RISP since the break.

Danny Serafini
09-05-2007, 02:46 PM
Time for some Buck Coats!

cumberlandreds
09-05-2007, 02:48 PM
EE batting around .430 w/ RISP since the break.


It's amazing how much better you will play when you know the manager has confidence in you.

cumberlandreds
09-05-2007, 02:49 PM
Votto with another hit to LF.

He's really struggled in that 8th spot today. :D
Of course this may be the only time in his MLB career he will bat 8th.

KittyDuran
09-05-2007, 02:49 PM
It's amazing how much better you will play when you know the manager has confidence in you.Or have some competition...:)

LincolnparkRed
09-05-2007, 02:50 PM
Yes, just a quick mention, no real details.

he caught the ball at a good jog on the warning track but his last step before hopping into the wall looked goofy.

RedLegSuperStar
09-05-2007, 02:50 PM
Votto is having a very nice day. He's one of the best AAAA players I've seen.

Amazing..

I wouldn't bench him..

Danny Serafini
09-05-2007, 02:50 PM
It's amazing how much better you will play when you know the manager has confidence in you.

Noticed that with Burton as well, he's been night and day since the managerial change.

Speaking of which, he's now replacing McBeth. Ellison in for Dunn as well.

cumberlandreds
09-05-2007, 02:50 PM
Or have some competition...:)

That helps too. :)

BCubb2003
09-05-2007, 02:51 PM
Amazing..

I wouldn't bench him..

He's not much of a pinch hitter so far. He'll have to start.

BRM
09-05-2007, 02:51 PM
Or have some competition...:)

It would be nice to have some legit competition for the rotation...

MississippiRed
09-05-2007, 02:55 PM
Hate to say this, but I did see hammy pull up after a long fly out.

Maybe I was a bit too hard on Pete M.

Danny Serafini
09-05-2007, 02:58 PM
Burton works a 1-2-3-4 8th. Wright drew a 2 out walk.

BRM
09-05-2007, 03:01 PM
Maybe I was a bit too hard on Pete M.

Join the club. I cringe at his lineups all the time but they seem to work more often than not.

MississippiRed
09-05-2007, 03:04 PM
There is an excellent picture of Votto on the front page of mlb.com. Better hurry as it may not be there once the game is over.

Danny Serafini
09-05-2007, 03:05 PM
Reds go down 1-2-3 in the 8th. I'd like to see them bring Hanigan in to catch the 9th, this would be a good spot to get rid of those first game jitters.

VR
09-05-2007, 03:05 PM
Looks like the Reds won't lose 100 games after all.

Chip R
09-05-2007, 03:08 PM
This would be a fun game: Bring Coffey in and see if he can hold the lead. ;)

oneupper
09-05-2007, 03:09 PM
Stanton vs. Conine.

Stanton Wins....

penantboundreds
09-05-2007, 03:09 PM
we could not have gotten rid of conine at a better time

Chip R
09-05-2007, 03:13 PM
Stanton vs. Conine.

Stanton Wins....


A battle of the ages.

KittyDuran
09-05-2007, 03:13 PM
A battle of the ages.But Conine has a younger body...;)

oneupper
09-05-2007, 03:15 PM
REDS shut out "Sunday Special Mets". Good Job.

flyer85
09-05-2007, 03:20 PM
Stanton has a real shot to get the ERA under 6 before the season. Money well spent. Sign him up for next year.

NJReds
09-05-2007, 03:21 PM
Found this on MLB.com about Votto's spot in the batting order:


Votto starts: As expected, rookie first baseman Joey Votto got his first big league start Wednesday vs. the Mets. Perhaps a little unexpectedly, Votto was put in the eighth spot on the lineup card. When's the last time that happened to the 23-year-old?

"Maybe in an instructional league game, I can't remember," Votto said. "I'm not complaining."

Votto, the Reds' top position prospect, had 22 homers and 92 RBIs for Triple-A Louisville this season before becoming a long-anticipated September callup.

"I'm an old-school guy," Mackanin said. "When you first break into the big leagues, you're a No. 8 hitter. You have to know how to bunt and do all those little things, gradually work your way into it. I hope he does well and I can move him up in the order.

"If you put a guy, say Votto, in the cleanup spot and say 'OK kid, go ahead and do it,' that's a lot of pressure.

Chip R
09-05-2007, 03:23 PM
Stanton has a real shot to get the ERA under 6 before the season. Money well spent. Sign him up for next year.


Too late.

KittyDuran
09-05-2007, 03:23 PM
http://lastperson.suncircle.org/Smileys/default/268345.gif
Stanton has a real shot to get the ERA under 6 before the season. Money well spent. Sign him up for next year.

BRM
09-05-2007, 03:24 PM
I guess Jay Bruce will be hitting 8th on opening day next year.

BRM
09-05-2007, 03:25 PM
Stanton has a real shot to get the ERA under 6 before the season. Money well spent. Sign him up for next year.

Wayne has already seen to that.

flyer85
09-05-2007, 03:31 PM
Wayne has already seen to that.sometimes the sarcasm just can't be helped

flyer85
09-05-2007, 03:34 PM
"I'm an old-school guy," Mackanin said. "When you first break into the big leagues, you're a No. 8 hitter. You have to know how to bunt and do all those little things, gradually work your way into it. I hope he does well and I can move him up in the order.
That's the bizarro world that bats Gonzo 2nd and Votto 8th.

TRADITION!!!

Sea Ray
09-05-2007, 03:36 PM
What was the final, 7-0?

BRM
09-05-2007, 03:48 PM
sometimes the sarcasm just can't be helped

I know. The Reds make it so easy too.

BRM
09-05-2007, 03:48 PM
What was the final, 7-0?

Yes

redsmetz
09-05-2007, 03:49 PM
Well, I took it on the chin on my fantasy team with Maine, but I picked up Joey Votto when he got called up and had him in the game, so I'm hoping I offset Maine.

pedro
09-05-2007, 04:25 PM
Another example of a reason to say, "Thanks, Pete. We're going to go in another direction."

I don't think RZ would be happy if Jesus Christ himself was the Reds manager. I can just hear it now. "Yeah, JC's OK but he just isn't fiery enough. I wish he'd break the water cooler when guys strike out. Plus he's always turning the other cheek when other teams throw bean balls at us"

Honestly, what other direction do you think they'll go? They may well replace Mackanin but if people around here think that they'll be happy with most of the moves the new manager makes they're going to be sorely disappointed. 95% of all managers are cut from the same cloth.

BRM
09-05-2007, 04:34 PM
From C. Trent:



POSTGAME: Votto: "Last night really relaxed me, I got that first at-bat out of the way and Mota was pretty nasty. After that at-bat was gone, I felt like I was part of the game. Not that it wasnít any other at-bat, but I had that approach."

Shearn: "Javy called a great game, hopefully he knew all the hitters, especially because his brothe rplays over there he should know them all. I just tried to throw what he called and hit the spots."

Mackanin: "First of all, I hope Joey Votto doesnít think itís going to be that easy. Well maybe it is going to be that easy, that would be nice."

Mackanin on Hamilton: "Josh has a little twinge in his hamstring, you saw when he caught that ball in centerfield. He caught it and hiccuped a little bit. I wanted tot take precautions, give him today and take tomorrow off. Hopefully heíll feel a lot better on Friday."

Ltlabner
09-05-2007, 04:41 PM
also make sure he doesn't see much to hit.

Apparently he got lasik surgery before the game.

Ltlabner
09-05-2007, 04:43 PM
I don't think RZ would be happy if Jesus Christ himself was the Reds manager. I can just hear it now. "Yeah, JC's OK but he just isn't fiery enough. I wish he'd break the water cooler when guys strike out. Plus he's always turning the other cheek when other teams throw bean balls at us"

Honestly, what other direction do you think they'll go? They may well replace Mackanin but if people around here think that they'll be happy with most of the moves the new manager makes they're going to be sorely disappointed. 95% of all managers are cut from the same cloth.

Yep.

And even if they got someone who was a visionary people would complain that the guy with the .387 OBP was hitting behind the guy with .382 OBP.

Besides, that Jesus guy smiles a lot and frowns on post bad performance freakouts.

edabbs44
09-05-2007, 04:51 PM
I don't think RZ would be happy if Jesus Christ himself was the Reds manager. I can just hear it now. "Yeah, JC's OK but he just isn't fiery enough. I wish he'd break the water cooler when guys strike out. Plus he's always turning the other cheek when other teams throw bean balls at us"

Honestly, what other direction do you think they'll go? They may well replace Mackanin but if people around here think that they'll be happy with most of the moves the new manager makes they're going to be sorely disappointed. 95% of all managers are cut from the same cloth.

Would it be a water cooler or a wine cooler?

Thanks, I'll be here all week.

But seriously, I agree. JC would still need to pitch Stanton at some point, as well as get Coffey some innings and all the other all-stars. There's only so much a manager can do with this mess.

redsmetz
09-05-2007, 05:20 PM
This whole notion of JC Himself managing the Reds got me thinking about about the possibilities:

It would give new meaning to a "Miracle Finish"

At least then we'd have a prayer.

I can just hear the first RZ'er saying, "I know that guy can walk on water, but he still doesn't know how to construct a line-up or use the bullpen".

I can just hear in in the stands, "Who does that guy think he is? Jesus Christ???". "No," the reply comes, "he thinks he's Sparky Anderson."

Runs out to the umpire to argue, "Myself! Are we seeing the same game?"

pedro
09-05-2007, 05:22 PM
This whole notion of JC Himself managing the Reds got me thinking about about the possibilities:

It would give new meaning to a "Miracle Finish"

At least then we'd have a prayer.

I can just hear the first RZ'er saying, "I know that guy can walk on water, but he still doesn't know how to construct a line-up or use the bullpen".

I can just hear in in the stands, "Who does that guy think he is? Jesus Christ???". "No," the reply comes, "he thinks he's Sparky Anderson."

Runs out to the umpire to argue, "Myself! Are we seeing the same game?"

Not to mention taking three whole days to come back from a serious injury.

RedsManRick
09-05-2007, 05:38 PM
http://www.jibjab.com/view/63239

oneupper
09-05-2007, 06:01 PM
http://www.jibjab.com/view/63239

That's Hilarious!

Big Klu
09-05-2007, 06:49 PM
Would it be a water cooler or a wine cooler?

Thank you for your support.

http://users.marshall.edu/~haynes21/bartles_jaymes.jpg

Matt700wlw
09-05-2007, 07:13 PM
"I'm an old-school guy," Mackanin said. "When you first break into the big leagues, you're a No. 8 hitter. You have to know how to bunt and do all those little things, gradually work your way into it. I hope he does well and I can move him up in the order.


So far...so good :)

Matt700wlw
09-05-2007, 07:29 PM
Since I wasn't around today....here we go

:phillips:

:jump:


http://www.mlb.com/images/players/mugshot/ph_458015.jpg

:jump:

KronoRed
09-05-2007, 07:36 PM
Not to mention taking three whole days to come back from a serious injury.

If can heal death in 3 days think what he could do with a simple torn rotator cuff!

He could even help Milton! :D

OnBaseMachine
09-05-2007, 07:54 PM
Many Reds fans may not yet realize it, but a significant chunk of Votto's offensive worth is his ability to take walks and get on base. Votto's not going to hit .325, and he may not hit 30 homers, but he'll take his share of walks and get on base. If Reds fans are going to like him long term, they'll have to accept the premise that his offensive worth revolves quite a bit around the base on balls.

2006-07: Votto's PA/BB is 7.88. Per 550 plate appearances, that's 70 walks. Per 600 plate appearances, that's 76 walks. Per 650 plate appearances, that's 83 walks.

A while back I compared him to a left handed hitting Kevin Youkilis with a little more strikeouts and possibly a few more homers down the road. And that would be perfectly fine by me.

Topcat
09-05-2007, 10:03 PM
Big salute from all of Canada for our boy Joey! He even got a excerpt feature on tsn during a break in Jays vs Redsox game.

MississippiRed
09-06-2007, 09:22 AM
I can just hear in in the stands, "Who does that guy think he is? Jesus Christ???". "No," the reply comes, "he thinks he's Sparky Anderson."

No, Arnold Palmer.

redsmetz
09-06-2007, 01:52 PM
No, Arnold Palmer.

Well, yes, that's the original joke, but I was sticking with the baseball manager theme!

redsmetz
09-07-2007, 06:35 AM
I finally watched the film clips from this game just now. The first thing I wondered is how on earth Votto hit that pitch so far - it was way down and away and he put that thing in one of the deepest parts of the park.

The other thing I just noticed, which I liked a lot, and it was unheralded was after Votto's good defensive play throwing Delgado out at third when he tried to sneak around, was that EE was ready to fire the ball to second, I'm guessing in case the runner wasn't out at first. It's good to see that little extra.