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flyer85
09-05-2007, 11:09 AM
would you make this deal?

Only asking because it is a trade that makes some sense because the Snakes are a heavily RH hitting team with Byrnes, Jackson, Young and Upton.

I am sure the Snakes wouldn't bite but they do need to address the lack of LH power.

BRM
09-05-2007, 11:13 AM
And the Reds need to address their lack of RH power. That said, I still wouldn't make the deal.

flyer85
09-05-2007, 11:14 AM
That said, I still wouldn't make the deal.why not?

BRM
09-05-2007, 11:27 AM
Hometown favoritism I guess. Doug has said many times he thinks Bruce will be the better player in the long run. I don't know if that's true or not but his word is about all I have at this point. I don't know enough about Upton's "upside" to make an educated decision on it.

Who's considered to be the better defender?

flyer85
09-05-2007, 11:31 AM
Doug has said many times he thinks Bruce will be the better player in the long run. I don't know if that's true or not but his word is about all I have at this point. I don't know enough about Upton's "upside" to make an educated decision on it.

Who's considered to be the better defender?Upton is considered the player with the greater upside and is considered the better defender(and a true CF, he can fly). The one reason I like Upton better is the BB/K(which is a great predictor). Bruce's 47/135 ratio is still troubling although hopefully he will make great strides with it in AAA next year. The odds are that both will be huge impact players by their mid 20s.

That said, it is the kind of trade that won't happen because it would a really big pair to make a deal like that and most GMs are afflicted with a very small pair.

FIRELEFT
09-05-2007, 11:32 AM
Arm's r about the same. Upton's Got more speed.
Jay has a better Bat. IMO.

BRM
09-05-2007, 11:34 AM
I just looked at Upton's numbers and he does appear to be better at taking walks and he strikes out a lot less. Bruce has more power though. Doesn't Bruce have the better arm while Upton has more range? I'd guess Bruce projects as an above average right fielder while Upton will be an above average center fielder. Is that about right?

FIRELEFT
09-05-2007, 11:40 AM
I just looked at Upton's numbers and he does appear to be better at taking walks and he strikes out a lot less. Bruce has more power though. Doesn't Bruce have the better arm while Upton has more range? I'd guess Bruce projects as an above average right fielder while Upton will be an above average center fielder. Is that about right?
From everything I have heard that's is correct.

TOBTTReds
09-05-2007, 11:43 AM
I would seriously think about it. Need some RH'ers please.

flyer85
09-05-2007, 11:46 AM
Doesn't Bruce have the better arm while Upton has more range?
if you saw the throw Upton made in the futures game you wouldn't worry about his arm, he has a cannon. I have never seen Bruce throw.

flyer85
09-05-2007, 11:47 AM
I would seriously think about it. Need some RH'ers please.it won't happen, there is too much risk for a GM. If you don't make the trade, there is no risk.

BRM
09-05-2007, 11:48 AM
If Upton can truly be a top shelf flychaser in CF while providing an above average bat from the right side, I'd have to seriously consider it as well. I love Bruce but Upton would probably fill a greater need at the moment.

dougdirt
09-05-2007, 12:06 PM
Jay and Justin have about the same arm. Well above average, very accurate. Jay has a stronger bat as a hitter (although Upton takes a walk better, Jay is much better at hitting the ball), defensively scouts think Jay eventually moves to RF where he will be above average and they figure Upton will stay in CF. Upton has more speed, but Jay has plenty of speed for himself.

Personally, I wouldn't make the trade because in the end I think Bruce is the better hitter and the defensive difference is marginal, especially for the time being. Add in the fact that we brought the kid up and developed him and it just makes sense to keep him.

Triples
09-05-2007, 12:55 PM
Anyone know what Upton's makeup is? does he have an ego that could become inflated or is he as down to earth as JB seems to be. These two guys are such high caliber players, each in his own way it seems on the talent gauge you can't go wrong with either of them but the variable seems to be the player's make up. It sure seems that Jay Bruce is a special kind of player in that regard as well, just wonder how Upton measures up in that regard.

dougdirt
09-05-2007, 01:03 PM
Anyone know what Upton's makeup is? does he have an ego that could become inflated or is he as down to earth as JB seems to be. These two guys are such high caliber players, each in his own way it seems on the talent gauge you can't go wrong with either of them but the variable seems to be the player's make up. It sure seems that Jay Bruce is a special kind of player in that regard as well, just wonder how Upton measures up in that regard.

I can't really comment on Upton, but I just wanted to chime in with Jay for this one. I met him back when he was playing in Dayton, and the kid was about as down to Earth as he possibly could be. Everytime I read something he says, or something he has done off the field, its always the right thing.

Triples
09-05-2007, 01:18 PM
Doug:

I would concur. I met Jay in Chattanooga during his brief stay there, and was able to speak to him for a couple of minutes. Ironic thing was I didn't know who he was; he was just introduced to me as Jay. At first I thought it was Jay Garthwaite until he turned around and I saw the name on the back of his jersey. When I realized who I was talking to I was even more impressed by his demeanor and his maturity. He was very respectful to both my wife and me. His parents should be commended for his upbringing.


I can't really comment on Upton, but I just wanted to chime in with Jay for this one. I met him back when he was playing in Dayton, and the kid was about as down to Earth as he possibly could be. Everytime I read something he says, or something he has done off the field, its always the right thing.

FIRELEFT
09-05-2007, 01:18 PM
I can't really comment on Upton, but I just wanted to chime in with Jay for this one. I met him back when he was playing in Dayton, and the kid was about as down to Earth as he possibly could be. Everytime I read something he says, or something he has done off the field, its always the right thing.

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Degenerate39
09-05-2007, 03:36 PM
Tough question I like them both. I don't know why but I'll stick with Bruce

fearofpopvol1
08-09-2009, 04:38 PM
it's still early on...but you have to be more impressed with upton right now as opposed to bruce (even with the injury).

OnBaseMachine
08-09-2009, 04:41 PM
Sure, Upton is better right now but let's revisit this in two years. Upton may still be better but I bet Bruce isn't far behind.

JayBruce
08-09-2009, 04:50 PM
Jay plays better defense. That's about all he has on Upton, and I don't see that changing.

13 in hall
08-09-2009, 04:51 PM
No way!! Upton and his brother have both been offered contract extensions and have said they would both rather go year to year. So in the end it's NY, Bos, L.A. ect. With Jay if we keep Joey and some how figure out how to win I think he might stay.

fearofpopvol1
08-09-2009, 10:28 PM
Sure, Upton is better right now but let's revisit this in two years. Upton may still be better but I bet Bruce isn't far behind.

Maybe so...but the original post was made 2 years ago. And Upton has proven more in those 2 years. You can't discount the value that Upton has already brought currently to what he (vs. Bruce) projects 2 years from now.

Mario-Rijo
08-10-2009, 02:58 AM
if you saw the throw Upton made in the futures game you wouldn't worry about his arm, he has a cannon. I have never seen Bruce throw.

NM, I failed to notice this thread originally started 2 years ago.

Mario-Rijo
08-10-2009, 03:08 AM
Maybe so...but the original post was made 2 years ago. And Upton has proven more in those 2 years. You can't discount the value that Upton has already brought currently to what he (vs. Bruce) projects 2 years from now.

I don't really think so I mean yeah he's hitting well now but he never showed anymore than Bruce of that until about 2-3 months ago. He has about a half a season worth of PA's on Bruce so too soon to say. If Bruce doesn't get hurt maybe he's hitting closer to his ceiling right about now. Upton takes a few more BB's I'll give him that but he strikes out more too and with less power.

flyer85
08-11-2009, 12:49 PM
Looking back ... IMO this thread is an excellent example of the bias in evaluating your own.

Who will be the better player? That still remains to be seen but I think the difference between them is a lot less than the 2009 numbers indicate(although I have always liked Upton's peripherals a bit better but the difference is certainly not huge).

REDblooded
08-11-2009, 03:09 PM
Good point flyer... If you were to pose this question to an unbiased fanbase, you would probably get a 60/40 to a 70/30 split in favor of Upton...

ochoa30
08-11-2009, 05:34 PM
Good point flyer... If you were to pose this question to an unbiased fanbase, you would probably get a 60/40 to a 70/30 split in favor of Upton...

I would bet the ratio would be much more drastic then that. What have you done for me lately is all that matters to most fans and I can't say I would disagree in this case. Upton over Bruce by a pretty wide margin until Bruce proves he can hit consistently in the majors.

REDblooded
08-11-2009, 07:32 PM
IIRC, even when Bruce hype was at a full-blown level and he was about to be named BA's player of the year, while Upton was struggling at the pro level, even guys like Callis still said Upton over Bruce.

fearofpopvol1
07-06-2012, 11:12 PM
Seeing Upton's name mentioned in that other thread reminded me of this thread, which it looks like hasn't been resurrected in a while!

It's still early in the careers, but...

Bruce's total WAR - 12.6
Upton's total WAR -15.5

corkedbat
07-06-2012, 11:47 PM
No way, no how. Thiis roster only has two lefty bats as it is and sux against RH pitching. They need to add another bat as good as Bruce's or better to what they have. If you dealt Bruce for Upton, you'd just need to turn around and acquire another Jay Bruce. Very bad idea.

dougdirt
07-07-2012, 12:04 AM
No way, no how. Thiis roster only has two lefty bats as it is and sux against RH pitching. They need to add another bat as good as Bruce's or better to what they have. If you dealt Bruce for Upton, you'd just need to turn around and acquire another Jay Bruce. Very bad idea.
You do realize how old this thread it, right?

corkedbat
07-07-2012, 12:33 AM
You do realize how old this thread it, right?

Dang I hate when they resurect threads from the graveyard. :D

Why's it in the MiLB forum?

redsfandan
07-07-2012, 12:47 AM
Dang I hate when they resurect threads from the graveyard. :D

Why's it in the MiLB forum?

Because, when this thread was started Bruce and Upton were top prospects.