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redsfan4445
09-07-2007, 11:27 AM
per mlbtraderumors.com

"White Sox May Shop Jon Garland
The White Sox have shopped Jon Garland around in the past. You may recall the failed deal with the Astros at the last Winter Meetings - the Sox were supposed to receive Jason Hirsh, Willy Taveras, and Taylor Buchholz. There was even a press conference scheduled for that one. Apparently the deal died when Kenny Williams demanded Hunter Pence as well.

Many teams have had discussions with the White Sox regarding Garland since then. The Red Sox, Rockies, Braves, Yankees, Mariners, Dodgers, Mets, and Phillies all expressed interest. The Braves reportedly offered Edgar Renteria and a top pitching prospect (pre-Teixeira trade) and were denied.

According to Joe Cowley of the Chicago Sun-Times, Garland is "without question that most likely starter to be moved" by Kenny Williams this winter. He says Williams will shoot for at least two relievers, one proven. Garland makes $12MM in 2008 before reaching free agency. Garland's got a 4.75 ERA this year; you have to wonder whether he'd be worth the price for an AL team. And even in the NL, is he that much better than Josh Towers right now?

Off the cuff, here are some relievers I think the White Sox might pursue: Manny Corpas, Jonathan Broxton, Jeremy Accardo, Joaquin Benoit, Tony Pena, Jose Valverde, Brad Lidge, Chad Qualls, and Huston Street. What are your predictions for fair Garland trades that could actually happen this winter?"


I think the Reds should target him in the off-season!

puca
09-07-2007, 11:38 AM
per mlbtraderumors.com

"White Sox May Shop Jon Garland
The White Sox have shopped Jon Garland around in the past. You may recall the failed deal with the Astros at the last Winter Meetings - the Sox were supposed to receive Jason Hirsh, Willy Taveras, and Taylor Buchholz. There was even a press conference scheduled for that one. Apparently the deal died when Kenny Williams demanded Hunter Pence as well.

Many teams have had discussions with the White Sox regarding Garland since then. The Red Sox, Rockies, Braves, Yankees, Mariners, Dodgers, Mets, and Phillies all expressed interest. The Braves reportedly offered Edgar Renteria and a top pitching prospect (pre-Teixeira trade) and were denied.

According to Joe Cowley of the Chicago Sun-Times, Garland is "without question that most likely starter to be moved" by Kenny Williams this winter. He says Williams will shoot for at least two relievers, one proven. Garland makes $12MM in 2008 before reaching free agency. Garland's got a 4.75 ERA this year; you have to wonder whether he'd be worth the price for an AL team. And even in the NL, is he that much better than Josh Towers right now?

Off the cuff, here are some relievers I think the White Sox might pursue: Manny Corpas, Jonathan Broxton, Jeremy Accardo, Joaquin Benoit, Tony Pena, Jose Valverde, Brad Lidge, Chad Qualls, and Huston Street. What are your predictions for fair Garland trades that could actually happen this winter?"


I think the Reds should target him in the off-season!


The Reds would have to get a third team involved because they surely don't have any relievers the White Sox would want.

flyer85
09-07-2007, 11:42 AM
He is expensive, not all that good, and very dependent of his defense.

He is exactly the wrong kind of pitcher to target.

NJReds
09-07-2007, 01:06 PM
from mlbtraderumors.com...

White Sox Targeting Eckstein
According to Joe Cowley of the Chicago Sun-Times, shortstop David Eckstein is the #1 target of the White Sox this offseason. An Eckstein signing would then result in the team paying $300K to buy out Juan Uribe's $5MM option for '08.

Eckstein signed a three-year, $10.25MM deal with the Cardinals after being non-tendered by the Angels in December of 2004. He'll be 33 heading into the '08 season, and injuries have been increasing over the years. Another three-year pact for $15-18MM would be fairly risky for the White Sox. Especially for a player whose value is tied so closely to his batting average.

The Sox might be trying to assemble an all-grinder type team. They could conceivably have Eckstein, Darin Erstad, Jerry Owens, and Aaron Rowand in the lineup next year.

If that's the case, offer them Freel for Garland. ;)

Heath
09-07-2007, 01:25 PM
Survey Says????

*BUZZ*

KronoRed
09-07-2007, 01:33 PM
No thanks.

NJReds
09-07-2007, 02:01 PM
We can send them Stanton and Saarloos.

Matt700wlw
09-07-2007, 02:04 PM
We can send them Stanton and Saarloos.

They wouldn't even have to send anything back...

fearofpopvol1
09-07-2007, 04:39 PM
per mlbtraderumors.com

"White Sox May Shop Jon Garland
The White Sox have shopped Jon Garland around in the past. You may recall the failed deal with the Astros at the last Winter Meetings - the Sox were supposed to receive Jason Hirsh, Willy Taveras, and Taylor Buchholz. There was even a press conference scheduled for that one. Apparently the deal died when Kenny Williams demanded Hunter Pence as well.

Many teams have had discussions with the White Sox regarding Garland since then. The Red Sox, Rockies, Braves, Yankees, Mariners, Dodgers, Mets, and Phillies all expressed interest. The Braves reportedly offered Edgar Renteria and a top pitching prospect (pre-Teixeira trade) and were denied.

According to Joe Cowley of the Chicago Sun-Times, Garland is "without question that most likely starter to be moved" by Kenny Williams this winter. He says Williams will shoot for at least two relievers, one proven. Garland makes $12MM in 2008 before reaching free agency. Garland's got a 4.75 ERA this year; you have to wonder whether he'd be worth the price for an AL team. And even in the NL, is he that much better than Josh Towers right now?

Off the cuff, here are some relievers I think the White Sox might pursue: Manny Corpas, Jonathan Broxton, Jeremy Accardo, Joaquin Benoit, Tony Pena, Jose Valverde, Brad Lidge, Chad Qualls, and Huston Street. What are your predictions for fair Garland trades that could actually happen this winter?"


I think the Reds should target him in the off-season!

Does Stanton qualify as a "proven" reliever?

flyer85
09-07-2007, 04:54 PM
Does Stanton qualify as a "proven" reliever?
actually he is quite proven - to be bad.

redsfan4445
09-07-2007, 07:06 PM
how about Coffey?

jojo
09-07-2007, 07:52 PM
He is expensive, not all that good, and very dependent of his defense.

He is exactly the wrong kind of pitcher to target.

Yep. He might be the most overrated starter EVA...

vaticanplum
09-07-2007, 08:00 PM
Yep. He might be the most overrated starter EVA...

December 28, 2004: Eric Milton signs as a Free Agent with the Cincinnati Reds for one hundred thousand basquillion dollars.

jojo
09-07-2007, 08:10 PM
December 28, 2004: Eric Milton signs as a Free Agent with the Cincinnati Reds for one hundred thousand basquillion dollars.

I don't think many really had high expectations for Milton.

LoganBuck
09-07-2007, 10:49 PM
December 28, 2004: Eric Milton signs as a Free Agent with the Cincinnati Reds for one hundred thousand basquillion dollars.

Several weeks before that Carl Pavano, Matt Clement, and host of others guys sign Free Agent deals for one hundred thousand basquillion and one dollars.

KronoRed
09-07-2007, 10:51 PM
I don't think many really had high expectations for Milton.

You want a good laugh go back and read the thread about the signing :cool:

vaticanplum
09-07-2007, 11:20 PM
Several weeks before that Carl Pavano, Matt Clement, and host of others guys sign Free Agent deals for one hundred thousand basquillion and one dollars.

Carl Pavano was the worst baseball signing. Ever.

SteelSD
09-07-2007, 11:58 PM
In 2005, the White Sox produced the second highest DER in the game at .720. That year, Garland posted a 3.50 ERA with a K/9 rate of 4.68.

In 2006, the White Sox produced the eleventh highest DER in the game at .700. That year, Garland posted a 4.51 ERA with a K/9 rate of 4.77.

In 2007, the White Sox have produced the twentieth highest DER in the game at .691. This year, Garland has posted a 4.75 ERA with a K/9 rate of 4.19.

Anyone see a trend?

Heck, if I were the pale hose, I'd also be trying to move an overrated, overpaid arm like Garland. The guy, like Carlos Silva, is pure pyrite. These are guys good teams shouldn't be spending their money on even if they've got money to burn. Double infinity ditto for a mid-to-small market team that can't possibly put together a defense to allow guys like this to be anywhere near adequate.

LoganBuck
09-08-2007, 07:06 AM
In 2005, the White Sox produced the second highest DER in the game at .720. That year, Garland posted a 3.50 ERA with a K/9 rate of 4.68.

In 2006, the White Sox produced the eleventh highest DER in the game at .700. That year, Garland posted a 4.51 ERA with a K/9 rate of 4.77.

In 2007, the White Sox have produced the twentieth highest DER in the game at .691. This year, Garland has posted a 4.75 ERA with a K/9 rate of 4.19.

Anyone see a trend?

Heck, if I were the pale hose, I'd also be trying to move an overrated, overpaid arm like Garland. The guy, like Carlos Silva, is pure pyrite. These are guys good teams shouldn't be spending their money on even if they've got money to burn. Double infinity ditto for a mid-to-small market team that can't possibly put together a defense to allow guys like this to be anywhere near adequate.

Steel who are the pitchers you would target for acquisition this offseason?

SteelSD
09-08-2007, 10:02 AM
Steel who are the pitchers you would target for acquisition this offseason?

The Free Agent market stinks. I'd be looking around for potential undervalued mid to high-ceiling guys. I'd be on the horn with San Francisco to see what I might have to give up for Jonathan Sanchez. They need anything that even smells like offense. The Angels' Ervin Santana has been bad this season, but a .328 BABIP and a 1.69 HR/9 rate are way out of line versus what we could reasonably expect. I'd suggest that the 24-year old Santana has "bounceback" written all over him.

I wouldn't be looking to give up the farm for guys like that, but I'd suggest those guys would be far better targets than the Jon Garlands, Eric Miltons, and Carlos Silvas of the world.

lollipopcurve
09-08-2007, 01:07 PM
The Free Agent market stinks. I'd be looking around for potential undervalued mid to high-ceiling guys. I'd be on the horn with San Francisco to see what I might have to give up for Jonathan Sanchez. They need anything that even smells like offense. The Angels' Ervin Santana has been bad this season, but a .328 BABIP and a 1.69 HR/9 rate are way out of line versus what we could reasonably expect. I'd suggest that the 24-year old Santana has "bounceback" written all over him.

I wouldn't be looking to give up the farm for guys like that, but I'd suggest those guys would be far better targets than the Jon Garlands, Eric Miltons, and Carlos Silvas of the world.

I think these are good trade targets. Who do you give up for them? Santana already is showing signs of bouncing back strong -- it would take a lot to get him. Sanchez -- my guess is that it would take EdE (there had been rumors the Giants were interested in him). Again, the value of the FA market is in not having to give up ANY talent. You want to fairly compare the two markets, you have to lay out the full trade, not just the talent acquired.

OnBaseMachine
09-08-2007, 01:40 PM
I love the idea of targeting Ervin Santana this offseason. I've been saying for months now that the Reds should target him. He's still only 24 years old and the kid has a great arm. These are the types of pitchers the Reds need to target - young kids with good stuff who have yet to put it together. Ervin Santana, Gavin Floyd, and Cliff Lee are examples. Heck, Chris Capuano may even become available after the season he's had.