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RedLegSuperStar
09-18-2007, 05:15 PM
C Trent -


Hopper cf
Keppinger ss
Griffey rf
Phillips 2b
Dunn lf
Encarnacion 3b
Votto 1b
Valentin c
Harang p

USA Today -


Alfonso Soriano LF
Ryan Theriot SS
Derrek Lee 1B
Aramis Ramirez 3B
Matt Murton RF
Mark DeRosa 2B
Jacque Jones CF
Jason Kendall C
Carlos Zambrano P

RedsManRick
09-18-2007, 05:52 PM
Look for me in the 2nd deck behind home plate. I'll be the one making his non-sports-fan girl friend wear Reds gear against her wishes...

Matt700wlw
09-18-2007, 06:01 PM
Look for me in the 2nd deck behind home plate. I'll be the one making his non-sports-fan girl friend wear Reds gear against her wishes...

I'll look for her :D

RedLegSuperStar
09-18-2007, 07:06 PM
Not a big fan of these games starting at 8

Matt700wlw
09-18-2007, 07:09 PM
Not a big fan of these games starting at 8

Well...if you're in Chicago, it starts at 7 :D

VR
09-18-2007, 07:23 PM
Well...if you're in Chicago, it starts at 7 :D


What are you talking about? The game starts at 5.


Hope to see the Reds beat Zambrano for the 4th time this year.

Matt700wlw
09-18-2007, 07:25 PM
What are you talking about? The game starts at 5.


Hope to see the Reds beat Zambrano for the 4th time this year.

In Hawaii it starts at 3

mbgrayson
09-18-2007, 07:56 PM
Not a big fan of these games starting at 8
Here in Montana it starts at 6....

Red in Chicago
09-18-2007, 07:58 PM
Last night I went to bed so angry that I literally watched the clock tick away for almost two hours. It was after midnight by the time I drifted off. We better not have a repeat tonight.

And my day in the office was not much fun either.

Matt700wlw
09-18-2007, 08:10 PM
Great at bat to start off the game

RedLegSuperStar
09-18-2007, 08:11 PM
dang Zambrano throwing at Reds players again..

mbgrayson
09-18-2007, 08:11 PM
Kepp hit for the second day in a row....I think.

Red in Chicago
09-18-2007, 08:12 PM
Grif sure has been swinging to no avail at those high pitches lately.

RedLegSuperStar
09-18-2007, 08:14 PM
wasted.. you have got to move those runners in some fashion

penantboundreds
09-18-2007, 08:14 PM
When was Griff's last day off? He seems slow...

penantboundreds
09-18-2007, 08:14 PM
Are you claiming he was drunk Redsleg?

DoogMinAmo
09-18-2007, 08:15 PM
Griff seems like he needs a day off.

Matt700wlw
09-18-2007, 08:15 PM
Another stint of horrible base running by the Cincinnati Reds

RedLegSuperStar
09-18-2007, 08:15 PM
Phillips base knock.. moves to 2nd on the throw.. hopper scores and keppinger out at 3rd

RedLegSuperStar
09-18-2007, 08:16 PM
Are you claiming he was drunk Redsleg?

No.. Dunn plays drunk(so i've heard).. Griffey just failed to move the runners over

RedLegSuperStar
09-18-2007, 08:17 PM
Dunn walks for the 96th time this year.. brings up Edwin

DoogMinAmo
09-18-2007, 08:17 PM
Dunn with the unintentional, then intentional walk. EdE up.

RedLegSuperStar
09-18-2007, 08:18 PM
ewww... bad call!

Red in Chicago
09-18-2007, 08:18 PM
ee with the rbi...z-man's pitch count approaching 30 already:beerme:

RedLegSuperStar
09-18-2007, 08:18 PM
2-0 and runners at 2nd and 3rd with Edwin getting a bloop hit

DoogMinAmo
09-18-2007, 08:19 PM
I simply love how the Reds hit Zambrano. Anything that angers that man makes me happier.

RedLegSuperStar
09-18-2007, 08:20 PM
Votto flys out to LF and its 2-0 after a 1/2 inning

Red in Chicago
09-18-2007, 08:21 PM
I simply love how the Reds hit Zambrano. Anything that angers that man makes me happier.

Exactly. He's the type of pitcher that you need to get rattled early in the game to keep him from being effective.

mbgrayson
09-18-2007, 08:22 PM
Plus Zambrano has 28 pitches already....

Red in Chicago
09-18-2007, 08:22 PM
Harang needs to put up a goose egg here to keep the momentum

penantboundreds
09-18-2007, 08:23 PM
Chris Welsh just made a good point....your fastball at the end of the year might not be what it is at the beginning so pitching later in the season is a lot harder. Harang will get some good experience doing that this year and hopefully will be ready for the playoffs next year

RedLegSuperStar
09-18-2007, 08:23 PM
Soriano grounds to Gold Glover to be Brandon Phillips

RedLegSuperStar
09-18-2007, 08:24 PM
Theriot down on strikes

penantboundreds
09-18-2007, 08:26 PM
is derek lee hitting .300? ask george grande he put it in his notes before the game..

RedLegSuperStar
09-18-2007, 08:27 PM
Lee pops up to Votto in foul territory

mbgrayson
09-18-2007, 08:30 PM
Chris Welsh just made a good point....your fastball at the end of the year might not be what it is at the beginning so pitching later in the season is a lot harder. Harang will get some good experience doing that this year and hopefully will be ready for the playoffs next year

Harang hitting 90-92 according to GameDay.

RedLegSuperStar
09-18-2007, 08:31 PM
Javy pokes a double off the LF wall

RedLegSuperStar
09-18-2007, 08:31 PM
you can bet Harang will be bunting him over

RedLegSuperStar
09-18-2007, 08:32 PM
Zambrano thought about 3rd.. and bobbles.. .. but gets Harang at 1st.. Javy to 3rd

RedLegSuperStar
09-18-2007, 08:33 PM
Hopper sneaks one between 1st and 2nd 3-0

Matt700wlw
09-18-2007, 08:34 PM
Beat the Cub-bies, beat them!

:clap: :clap:

Beat the Cub-bies, beat them!

:clap: :clap:

RedLegSuperStar
09-18-2007, 08:35 PM
Hit and run.. hopper safe at 2nd and keppinger out at 1st

penantboundreds
09-18-2007, 08:35 PM
zambrano looks in as to get the call....rattttttled!

RedLegSuperStar
09-18-2007, 08:36 PM
Junior hits a deep out to Soriano

RedLegSuperStar
09-18-2007, 08:39 PM
Votto on back to back plays battling the wind at wrigley.. catches a foul ball for an out

BCubb2003
09-18-2007, 08:39 PM
Harang will get some good experience doing that this year and hopefully will be ready for the playoffs next year

They're going to trade Harang???

RedLegSuperStar
09-18-2007, 08:40 PM
Murton K's looking

RedLegSuperStar
09-18-2007, 08:41 PM
Reds retire DeRosa finally as he flies out to Junion

DoogMinAmo
09-18-2007, 08:42 PM
7 pitch inning for Harang, 21 for the game. 8 of those 21 were Derek Lee's AB.

RedLegSuperStar
09-18-2007, 08:44 PM
Phillips works the count full and then takes ball 4

oneupper
09-18-2007, 08:45 PM
Ben Sheets out after 1 inning in Houston. Apparent leg injury.

RedLegSuperStar
09-18-2007, 08:45 PM
I just want to say Phillips.. Thank You! You've given me some great fantasy points as of late!

OnBaseMachine
09-18-2007, 08:45 PM
Harang has two K's to put him at 194 for the season.

DoogMinAmo
09-18-2007, 08:46 PM
What are Dunn's stats vs. Zambrano, he seems to get nothing to hit tonight?

OnBaseMachine
09-18-2007, 08:47 PM
Dunn walks again, his 97th of the season.

RedLegSuperStar
09-18-2007, 08:47 PM
Dunn works the count as well to full and takes ball 4.. #97 for the year

RedLegSuperStar
09-18-2007, 08:47 PM
Zambrano won't make it past the 5th inning.. mark my word

OnBaseMachine
09-18-2007, 08:48 PM
Dunn has a career .971 OPS vs Zambrano, including six homers. I believe he has three HR against Zambrano this year (two on Opening Day).

penantboundreds
09-18-2007, 08:49 PM
is zambrano getting booed?

DoogMinAmo
09-18-2007, 08:49 PM
Zambrano won't make it past the 5th inning.. mark my word

And there were media outlets ridiculing the Reds for their extensions to Harang and Arroyo, both of which have either equalled or outperformed Z. And he is making how much a year?

RedLegSuperStar
09-18-2007, 08:49 PM
with Zambrano not able to throw strikes.. I don't blame Edwin for not bunting.. although he should be

penantboundreds
09-18-2007, 08:50 PM
that was a reallly reallllly good pitch by Z

RedLegSuperStar
09-18-2007, 08:50 PM
Edwin ground into a DP and gets Phillips to 3rd

RedLegSuperStar
09-18-2007, 08:50 PM
Votto with a solid hit.. but finds Jones glove

OnBaseMachine
09-18-2007, 08:51 PM
Votto smoked that but right at Jones.

RedLegSuperStar
09-18-2007, 08:54 PM
Jones hits one.. just at soon to be Gold Glover Brandon Phillips

OnBaseMachine
09-18-2007, 08:57 PM
Error on Phillips.

Matt700wlw
09-18-2007, 08:57 PM
A rare miscue by Phillips, the league leader in fielding percentage.

DoogMinAmo
09-18-2007, 08:58 PM
Jones hits one.. just at soon to be Gold Glover Brandon Phillips

irony.

Red in Chicago
09-18-2007, 08:58 PM
blame the error on redlegsuperstar;)

RedLegSuperStar
09-18-2007, 08:58 PM
crap.. jinx myself.. as Kendall hits it to Phillips and Phillips with a miscue

OnBaseMachine
09-18-2007, 08:58 PM
And Phillips follows that error up with a great play.

RedLegSuperStar
09-18-2007, 08:58 PM
sorry guys!

Red in Chicago
09-18-2007, 08:59 PM
How can you not like BP?

Red in Chicago
09-18-2007, 08:59 PM
Is it me, or has Edwin's d been a little more shaky the last week or two?

oneupper
09-18-2007, 09:00 PM
Phillips upset that he didn't make a better flip to Kepp.

EdE recovers to get Z at second.

Shaky D...but effective in the end.

DoogMinAmo
09-18-2007, 09:00 PM
Is it me, or has Edwin's d been a little more shaky the last week or two?

Shaky? What happened?

RedLegSuperStar
09-18-2007, 09:01 PM
by the way Harang still has the no-no working

RedLegSuperStar
09-18-2007, 09:03 PM
Javy flies out to Jones in CF

Red in Chicago
09-18-2007, 09:03 PM
by the way Harang still has the no-no working

now you've done it:p:

Red in Chicago
09-18-2007, 09:03 PM
Shaky? What happened?

not much, just a sharply hit ball that wasn't initially picked clean. he recovered in time

RedLegSuperStar
09-18-2007, 09:04 PM
Harang did a great job of continuing the Reds success of making Zambrano toss some pitches

RedLegSuperStar
09-18-2007, 09:06 PM
Zambrano gets the Reds 1-2-3

VR
09-18-2007, 09:12 PM
And there were media outlets ridiculing the Reds for their extensions to Harang and Arroyo, both of which have either equalled or outperformed Z. And he is making how much a year?


I noticed Arroyo is 11th in the NL in K's this year. That's a pleasant surprise, considering the great concern when he was acquired.

oneupper
09-18-2007, 09:15 PM
Estrada Grand Slam. Brewers 5 Astros 1.

DoogMinAmo
09-18-2007, 09:15 PM
Harang allows back to back singles after starting off each hitter 0-2

Red in Chicago
09-18-2007, 09:16 PM
Harang trying his best to make this inning "interesting".

Matt700wlw
09-18-2007, 09:16 PM
Harang trying his best to make this inning "interesting".

Maybe he was getting bored :D

Red in Chicago
09-18-2007, 09:17 PM
Crowd back in this game. Harang always seems to have that one inning where he struggles after things were going so smoothly.

DoogMinAmo
09-18-2007, 09:17 PM
Then Harang starts off Derosa 1-2, only to walk him. Bases loaded, 2 out

VR
09-18-2007, 09:18 PM
Maybe he was getting bored :D

Mark DeRosa owns the Reds.

Red in Chicago
09-18-2007, 09:18 PM
Ridiculous...all this after two outs...Jacque freakin' Jones. UGH:rolleyes:

oneupper
09-18-2007, 09:19 PM
BP miscalculated that ball. IMO,

OnBaseMachine
09-18-2007, 09:21 PM
Only the Reds.

Two outs, nobody on base and an 0-2 count on the third hitter. Ten minutes later the Cusb score two runs.

Only the Reds.

mbgrayson
09-18-2007, 09:25 PM
I thought if Griffey was charging and throwing on that hit, he had a shot at getting the runner at the plate. Continued lackadasical play, IMHO.

Red in Chicago
09-18-2007, 09:25 PM
Reds need to get into Zambrano's head again this inning. Can't let him get on a roll.

Red in Chicago
09-18-2007, 09:27 PM
Jones doing an Edmonds out there:rolleyes:

oneupper
09-18-2007, 09:28 PM
Zambrano at 87 pitches.

mbgrayson
09-18-2007, 09:29 PM
Reds need to get into Zambrano's head again this inning. Can't let him get on a roll.

Too late...he's rolling. He is at 87 pitches after 5 though. (and he is on 3 days rest...)

Red in Chicago
09-18-2007, 09:30 PM
The Reds seem to be suffering from a power shortage. How many homers have they hit in the last couple of weeks?

Red in Chicago
09-18-2007, 09:36 PM
Why does Javy even bother throwing the ball?

remdog
09-18-2007, 09:40 PM
Why does Javy even bother throwing the ball?

He missed the pitcher. It was just ironic that the Cubs runner was going. :lol:

Rem

Matt700wlw
09-18-2007, 09:42 PM
:ede:

:jump:

oneupper
09-18-2007, 09:43 PM
Big one by EdE.

remdog
09-18-2007, 09:44 PM
EdE hit that one pretty dang well. Halfway up the bleachers.

Rem

remdog
09-18-2007, 09:44 PM
Votto with a single. Z gone.

Rem

oneupper
09-18-2007, 09:44 PM
Zambrano at 100 pitches.

VR
09-18-2007, 09:46 PM
Votto with a single. Z gone.

Rem


Lookin to be 1-4 vs the Reds this year. But he's an ace, not Harang.

Red in Chicago
09-18-2007, 09:47 PM
Votto sleeping

Matt700wlw
09-18-2007, 09:48 PM
Oops...Votto.

Red in Chicago
09-18-2007, 09:48 PM
Marmol's tough. Can't be giving those outs away

oneupper
09-18-2007, 09:48 PM
Votto pulls a Freel.

remdog
09-18-2007, 09:49 PM
On a side note, post counter doesn't seem to be working.

Rem

Red in Chicago
09-18-2007, 09:54 PM
On a side note, post counter doesn't seem to be working.

Rem

I think someone brought this up a week or two ago, but I never saw the outcome.

Red in Chicago
09-18-2007, 09:57 PM
Harang at 91 pitches. 6 K's so far.

Red in Chicago
09-18-2007, 10:05 PM
Here we go. Walks Kendall

CTA513
09-18-2007, 10:05 PM
Harang walks Kendall to start the bottom of the 7th.

oneupper
09-18-2007, 10:06 PM
Floyd to PH.

Red in Chicago
09-18-2007, 10:08 PM
Big double play there.

oneupper
09-18-2007, 10:12 PM
107 pitches for Harang. Nice Job. Should be all.

Matt700wlw
09-18-2007, 10:12 PM
Burton for the 8th...and not Weathers in the 9th, please.

:D

Red in Chicago
09-18-2007, 10:12 PM
Harang at 107 pitches. Does he pitch the 8th?

BCubb2003
09-18-2007, 10:13 PM
Does Red in Chicago have an endorsement deal for his avatar?

remdog
09-18-2007, 10:13 PM
I think someone brought this up a week or two ago, but I never saw the outcome.


I've been gone for a few days. I thought Krono was on vacation. :lol:

Rem

RedLegSuperStar
09-18-2007, 10:14 PM
Harang at 107 pitches. Does he pitch the 8th?

I think tonight we see Burton close.. could be Stanton, Bray, or Majewski in the 8th

oneupper
09-18-2007, 10:15 PM
I think tonight we see Burton close.. could be Stanton, Bray, or Majewski in the 8th

It will be Burton in the 8th and Weathers in the 9th.
Mark my words.

remdog
09-18-2007, 10:16 PM
Lee makes a good play on a well-hit ball by Jr. but I think Jr. needs a day off.

Rem

Red in Chicago
09-18-2007, 10:16 PM
Wow, September is just killing Jr.

VR
09-18-2007, 10:16 PM
Griff scufflin in Sept. Ops at 521

oneupper
09-18-2007, 10:16 PM
Jr can't buy a hit. What a terrible slump he's in.

remdog
09-18-2007, 10:18 PM
The Cubs have a poll going asking who should pitch a deciding game to get into the playoffs, if it comes to that. Right now, 60+% say: Ted Lilly.

Rem

OnBaseMachine
09-18-2007, 10:21 PM
Dunn walks for the third time tonight and 98th time this season.

Red in Chicago
09-18-2007, 10:21 PM
Sure could use some insurance runs here Edwin;)

oneupper
09-18-2007, 10:22 PM
Dunn walks for the third time and 98th time this season.

Still doubting if he makes 100?

RedLegSuperStar
09-18-2007, 10:22 PM
Dunn could get his 40th homer and purhaps 100th walk by the end of this series

oneupper
09-18-2007, 10:23 PM
Kerry Wood in to pitch.

NJReds
09-18-2007, 10:23 PM
Mets blow a 4 run lead and lose to the Nats, 9-8. If the Phillies beat the Cards tonight, they'll only be 1.5 out. The Mets had a 7 game lead w/17 games left. They couldn't choke that away, could they?

Cyclone792
09-18-2007, 10:24 PM
Dunn walks for the third time tonight and 98th time this season.

Dunn has 40 walks in 181 plate appearances since August 1st, and that's a PA/BB rate of 4.53. Projected over a full season of 650 plate appearances for Dunn, that's 144 walks.

oneupper
09-18-2007, 10:26 PM
EdE hitting .388 in September.

Matt700wlw
09-18-2007, 10:26 PM
Kerry Wood can still bring it

remdog
09-18-2007, 10:26 PM
Mets blow a 4 run lead and lose to the Nats, 9-8. If the Phillies beat the Cards tonight, they'll only be 1.5 out. The Mets had a 7 game lead w/17 games left. They couldn't choke that away, could they?

Phillies, '64.

Rem

Matt700wlw
09-18-2007, 10:27 PM
Kerry Wood looks a lot smaller than he did before his injury......




Hmmmmmm....

oneupper
09-18-2007, 10:28 PM
Votto pops out.

Please don't leave them loaded Javy!

Red in Chicago
09-18-2007, 10:29 PM
Whew...that was a big run there. Good eye Javy

remdog
09-18-2007, 10:29 PM
Kerry Wood looks a lot smaller than he did before his injury....




Hmmmmmm....

Interesting. I was thinking how skinny Wood looked. Hmmmmm, indeed.

Rem

oneupper
09-18-2007, 10:30 PM
That was a close one...but a ball. Good AB by Javy.

Matt700wlw
09-18-2007, 10:31 PM
Cantu hitting

remdog
09-18-2007, 10:32 PM
Interesting. I was thinking how skinny Wood looked. Hmmmmm, indeed.

Rem

Gotta admit though, Wood can still throw heat.

Rem

oneupper
09-18-2007, 10:32 PM
Cantu grounds out. Well, at least we got one.

Matt700wlw
09-18-2007, 10:32 PM
Gotta admit though, Wood can still throw heat.

Rem

yes he can - 96 mph range.

Red in Chicago
09-18-2007, 10:34 PM
Yanks win, Sox lose. Lead down to 2.5.

remdog
09-18-2007, 10:36 PM
Odd, but I find myself pulling for the Yanks.

Rem

NJReds
09-18-2007, 10:37 PM
Yanks win, Sox lose. Lead down to 2.5.

Gagne came in with a 2-1 lead in the 8th and gave up a quick 3 runs. I'm sure he's a fan fave in Boston.

VR
09-18-2007, 10:38 PM
Odd, but I find myself pulling for the Yanks.

Rem

When is the last time you were drug tested?

Red in Chicago
09-18-2007, 10:41 PM
Burton with another solid outing...Keep him in there for the 9th.

oneupper
09-18-2007, 10:41 PM
Burton blows through Cubs 3-4-5 hitters. Nice.

Matt700wlw
09-18-2007, 10:41 PM
I'm all about Jardod Burton....

Let him pitch the 9th

remdog
09-18-2007, 10:42 PM
Cubs announcers are talking about the Reds protest of yesterday.

They said that they initally agreed with the Reds that they had grounds. However, they said that there was an additional 'guidebook' that the umpires have that would seem to support the Cubs.

They also said that the protesting team had to pay $25,000 to persue the protest.

Personally, I would doubt that the protest would be upheld but I don't think I've ever heard of paying $25k to persue a protest.

Anyone ever hear of this or can shead some light on it?

Rem

remdog
09-18-2007, 10:43 PM
When is the last time you were drug tested?

Drugs are no problem. Just don't ask for a breathalizer. :lol:

Rem

oneupper
09-18-2007, 10:43 PM
Cubs announcers are talking about the Reds protest of yesterday.

They said that they initally agreed with the Reds that they had grounds. However, they said that there was an additional 'guidebook' that the umpires have that would seem to support the Cubs.

They also said that the protesting team had to pay $25,000 to persue the protest.

Personally, I would doubt that the protest would be upheld but I don't think I've ever heard of paying $25k to persue a protest.

Anyone ever hear of this or can shead some light on it?

Rem

In Trent's blog he was saying the REDS will probably drop it.

TeamBoone
09-18-2007, 10:44 PM
Cubs announcers are talking about the Reds protest of yesterday.

They said that they initally agreed with the Reds that they had grounds. However, they said that there was an additional 'guidebook' that the umpires have that would seem to support the Cubs.

They also said that the protesting team had to pay $25,000 to persue the protest.

Personally, I would doubt that the protest would be upheld but I don't think I've ever heard of paying $25k to persue a protest.

Anyone ever hear of this or can shead some light on it?

Rem

My concern with this? Why doesn't each manager get that manual too?

If a rule changes, shouldn't they all be notified at the start of the season?

OnBaseMachine
09-18-2007, 10:44 PM
Burton once again got squeezed on a very close 2-2 pitch to Murton but then got him to fly out on the 3-2 pitch. Yet another very impressive inning by Jared Burton, who not only has emerged as the Reds best reliever but also as one of the best in the league since the All-Star break.

Matt700wlw
09-18-2007, 10:45 PM
Weathers warming up...

Don't blow this one, Stormy

RFS62
09-18-2007, 10:45 PM
Brennamen boys are misidentifying the pitcher

oneupper
09-18-2007, 10:46 PM
My concern with this? Why doesn't each manager get that manual too?

If a rule changes, shouldn't they all be notified at the start of the season?

Apparently its like a more detailed procedural guide. Rule hasn't changed.

BCubb2003
09-18-2007, 10:46 PM
Cubs announcers are talking about the Reds protest of yesterday.

They said that they initally agreed with the Reds that they had grounds. However, they said that there was an additional 'guidebook' that the umpires have that would seem to support the Cubs.

They also said that the protesting team had to pay $25,000 to persue the protest.

Personally, I would doubt that the protest would be upheld but I don't think I've ever heard of paying $25k to persue a protest.

Anyone ever hear of this or can shead some light on it?

Rem


chicagotribune.com
Reds' protest unlikely to pay off
By Dave van Dyck

Tribune staff reporter

11:54 PM CDT, September 17, 2007

Although the Reds announced they would play Monday night's 7-6 loss to the Cubs under protest, they do not have a legitimate case, according to umpire crew chief Rick Reed.

The supposed violation came in the top of the sixth inning when Cubs manager Lou Piniella walked to the mound to remove pitcher Michael Wuertz.

Piniella crossed the foul line, then told Reed he would be making a double switch.

Cincinnati manager Pete Mackanin immediately argued and then protested, stating the rules claim a manager has to go directly to an umpire before making a double switch.

"Why I knew the rule is because it happened to me," Mackanin said.

But Reed said the umpiring manual book, separate from the official rules, does indeed allow for a manager to make a switch after crossing the foul line if it is on the first visit to the mound.

Reed read Rule 3.5 from the manual: "There is no requirement the manager or coach announce to the umpire a double switch before coming across the foul line."

Reed then said, "On the first trip the manager has the option, as long as he doesn't call the pitcher in and make that move first, to make that double switch after he gets to the mound."

The Reds can continue with the protest, which is reported to cost $25,000, or they can withdraw it. Reed will send the information to the commissioner's office, which would make a final ruling if the Reds follow through with their protest.

remdog
09-18-2007, 10:47 PM
In Trent's blog he was saying the REDS will probably drop it.

I agree. The Reds will probably drop it. The $25k cost was something that I don't think I've ever heard of though.

Rem

Matt700wlw
09-18-2007, 10:47 PM
Griffey's a trooper....

oneupper
09-18-2007, 10:48 PM
Jr with a single. Nice to see.

RFS62
09-18-2007, 10:49 PM
Marty and Thom are yapping on about how good Bobby Howry looks, and Wuertz is in there pitching.

remdog
09-18-2007, 10:50 PM
My concern with this? Why doesn't each manager get that manual too?

If a rule changes, shouldn't they all be notified at the start of the season?

I share you're concern TB. But, maybe the managers do get this manual and Mackanin just wasn't aware of the extenuating circumstances.

Rem

remdog
09-18-2007, 10:51 PM
Thanks BCubb. That post was very helpful.

Rem

OnBaseMachine
09-18-2007, 10:51 PM
Phillips refused that walk.

RFS62
09-18-2007, 10:51 PM
I'm not kidding. Marty and Thom went the entire inning thinking Howry was pitching. They went on and on about how good he looks.

He's not pitching. It's Wuertz.

oneupper
09-18-2007, 10:52 PM
Didn't Wuertz strike out the side on nine pitches against the REDS a year or two ago?
(or something like that)

BCubb2003
09-18-2007, 10:53 PM
I'm not kidding. Marty and Thom went the entire inning thinking Howry was pitching. They went on and on about how good he looks.

He's not pitching. It's Wuertz.

So we can assume that Wuertz looks better than Howry?

OnBaseMachine
09-18-2007, 10:53 PM
Weathers is at it again.

Matt700wlw
09-18-2007, 10:53 PM
Here we go...

remdog
09-18-2007, 10:54 PM
I'm not kidding. Marty and Thom went the entire inning thinking Howry was pitching. They went on and on about how good he looks.

He's not pitching. It's Wuertz.

Marty and Thom are a disappointing tandum.

Rem

oneupper
09-18-2007, 10:54 PM
Weathers for redemption.

RFS62
09-18-2007, 10:54 PM
It was hilarious. They made reference after reference about him, talking about how good he looks.

remdog
09-18-2007, 10:55 PM
Here we go...

That's exactly what the Cubs announcers said. :lol:

Rem

RFS62
09-18-2007, 10:55 PM
Matt, any explanation?

Matt700wlw
09-18-2007, 10:55 PM
Bad throw...

Matt700wlw
09-18-2007, 10:55 PM
Matt, any explanation?

I have no idea..I didn't notice, to be honest with you

RFS62
09-18-2007, 10:56 PM
These freakin' Brennamens are at it again, this time Marty is ragging on Phillips.

Matt700wlw
09-18-2007, 10:56 PM
New nickname for Weathers...

Iffy...David "Iffy" Weathers

OnBaseMachine
09-18-2007, 10:57 PM
These freakin' Brennamens are at it again, this time Marty is ragging on Phillips.

What's he saying?

RFS62
09-18-2007, 10:57 PM
I have no idea..I didn't notice, to be honest with you



You should ask them if they ever saw Howry pitch any better than tonight.

remdog
09-18-2007, 10:58 PM
Marty has crossed the line from annoncer to editorialist. And, I wasn't too thrilled with Thom as announcer in Phoenix.

Rem

Matt700wlw
09-18-2007, 10:58 PM
What's he saying?

Said the throw from Phillips to Keppinger was a "hot dog" throw instead of a nice clean toss...so Keppinger was rushed.


Or something like that.

Tom Servo
09-18-2007, 10:58 PM
haw haw!

RFS62
09-18-2007, 10:58 PM
What's he saying?


Going after Phillips for hot dogging the toss to Keppinger on the DP attempt. Thom disagreed.

Matt700wlw
09-18-2007, 10:58 PM
Iffy!

Reds win!

CTA513
09-18-2007, 10:59 PM
Good bounce back for Weathers after yesterdays performance.

remdog
09-18-2007, 10:59 PM
Ward looked like a statue while the strike was right down the middle.

Harang beats Z, once again.

Rem

TeamBoone
09-18-2007, 11:00 PM
George just said the Reds filed the protest. Jeff says they should, or they shouldn't have protested at all if they didn't plan to follow it through. Thing is, PM didn't have the rule right. He's got to know the Reds won't win the protest, so why waste $25,000? Oops, wait! I think I just heard Butcher on the PA in the background say there would be no filing fee.

Marty's got one big nerve ragging on Phillips. I truly believe he thinks everyone of these players is a robot and will not accept less than perfect from them.

Good win Reds! Wahoo!

oneupper
09-18-2007, 11:00 PM
REDS beat Cubs 5-2.

Harang goes to 16-4.

Order restored in the universe.

Tommorow Tom "Luck of the Irish" Shearn vs. Ted "Tiger" Lilly

OnBaseMachine
09-18-2007, 11:01 PM
9-1 Brewers in the 9th. The Brewers will move into first place in the loss column ahead of the Cubs.

remdog
09-18-2007, 11:01 PM
Now the Cubs announcers are saying that there is no fee for persueing the protest.

I didn't think I'd ever heard of a fee before and apparently that's correct.

I still doubt if the protest holds water though.

Rem

Matt700wlw
09-18-2007, 11:02 PM
Marty's got one big nerve ragging on Phillips. I truly believe he thinks everyone of these players is a robot and will not accept less than perfect from them.

Good win Reds! Wahoo!

Believe me, Marty wants nothing more than to see the Reds ruin the Cubs season...

He feels the same away about them as we do....

TeamBoone
09-18-2007, 11:02 PM
Marty has crossed the line from annoncer to editorialist. And, I wasn't too thrilled with Thom as announcer in Phoenix.

Rem

I truly think Thom has improved this year with the Reds. I wasn't impressed during the first several months of the season, but I think he's gotten progressively better. And I really like that he's not his Dad's yes man (for the most part). He's probably the only one who can get away with it.

PS -- I just love Edwin. What a sweet humble guy.

TeamBoone
09-18-2007, 11:03 PM
Believe me, Marty wants nothing more than to see the Reds ruin the Cubs season...

He feels the same away about them as we do.

Ummmm, I didn't say he doesn't.

remdog
09-18-2007, 11:03 PM
Believe me, Marty wants nothing more than to see the Reds ruin the Cubs season...

He feels the same away about them as we do.

It's just that he isn't an objective announcer anymore.

Rem

VR
09-18-2007, 11:04 PM
REDS beat Cubs 5-2.

Harang goes to 16-4.

Order restored in the universe.

Tommorow Tom "Luck of the Irish" Shearn vs. Ted "Tiger" Lilly

don't miss the start of the game. Reds will throw up a 5 spot for sure.

Matt700wlw
09-18-2007, 11:04 PM
It's just that he isn't an objective announcer anymore.

Rem

Is this what we're going to worry about after driving another thorn into the sides of the loveable Cubbies? If Marty had a good game or not...which is all opinion anyway?

Come on...

VR
09-18-2007, 11:05 PM
PS -- I just love Edwin. What a sweet humble guy.

sweet, humble, and a 950 OPSer w/RISP :thumbup:

Matt700wlw
09-18-2007, 11:06 PM
Ummmm, I didn't say he doesn't.

He was probably as nervous about Weathers as we were...making him get extra outs doesn't help

remdog
09-18-2007, 11:06 PM
PS -- I just love Edwin. What a sweet humble guy.

I like Edwin too. And, I agree that he's a humble guy. Which, IMO, leads some people to think that he has no fire but I think that that is a bad read and not true.

Rem

remdog
09-18-2007, 11:08 PM
Is this what we're going to worry about after driving another thorn into the sides of the loveable Cubbies? If Marty had a good game or not...which is all opinion anyway?

Come on...

You come on....This isn't about one game with the Cubs. Marty hasn't been objective for years! But, then again, you're probably too young to ever have heard Marty be objective. ;)

Rem

Matt700wlw
09-18-2007, 11:09 PM
Harang now 16-4...with 2 more starts, it looks like.

Matt700wlw
09-18-2007, 11:09 PM
You come on....This isn't about one game with the Cubs. Marty hasn't been objective for years! But, then again, you're probably too young to ever have heard Marty be objective. ;)

Rem

I have no problem with his style, or his criticisms....don't always agree with them, but people don't always agree with the stuff I say...


Let's not get into this again :cool:

Matt700wlw
09-18-2007, 11:11 PM
Quite honestly, with the Reds having to travel out west tomorrow after the game, and having to play Thursday night, tomorrow's game should be a day game.


Of course, I don't make the schedule.

remdog
09-18-2007, 11:16 PM
Let's not get into this again :cool:

Why not. It's a reasonable topic. You can't simply defend him and then say, 'let's not talk about it anymore'.

Rem

KittyDuran
09-18-2007, 11:17 PM
I have no problem with his style, or his criticisms....don't always agree with them, but people don't always agree with the stuff I say...


Let's not get into this again :cool:Why not? It's always a good time for Marty bashin'!!! http://lastperson.suncircle.org/Smileys/default/DeadH.gif ;)

Uh-oh...http://lastperson.suncircle.org/Smileys/default/outtahere.gif

CTA513
09-18-2007, 11:17 PM
If I added everything up correctly these are Zambranos stats for his starts against the Reds this season:

28.2 Innings, 34 Hits, 21 Runs, 17 BB, 11 K

Matt700wlw
09-18-2007, 11:18 PM
Why not. It's a reasonable topic. You can't simply defend him and then say, 'let's not talk about it anymore'.

Rem


There's 800 threads already that cover it :)

remdog
09-18-2007, 11:21 PM
There's 800 threads already that cover it :)


And there will probably be 800 more....:)

Believe me, there is no way anyone will cut off debate on Marty until he's gone. And then (unless he's dead) the threads will switch to why Marty should be brought back. :lol:

Rem

Matt700wlw
09-18-2007, 11:24 PM
And there will probably be 800 more....:)

Believe me, there is no way anyone will cut off debate on Marty until he's gone. And then (unless he's dead) the threads will switch to why Marty should be brought back. :lol:

Rem

Probably :lol:

DoogMinAmo
09-18-2007, 11:27 PM
I agree. The Reds will probably drop it. The $25k cost was something that I don't think I've ever heard of though.

Rem

Milwaukee may end up paying that 25K

TeamBoone
09-18-2007, 11:28 PM
Quite honestly, with the Reds having to travel out west tomorrow after the game, and having to play Thursday night, tomorrow's game should be a day game.


Of course, I don't make the schedule.

Whomever puts the schedules together really had it in for the Reds this year.

WVRedsFan
09-19-2007, 01:53 AM
Is this what we're going to worry about after driving another thorn into the sides of the loveable Cubbies? If Marty had a good game or not...which is all opinion anyway?

Come on...

It's all Marty's fault. It was a hot dog throw and not wise, but Phillips is the bomb right now so any criticism of him is taboo.

What difference dows it make in the whole scheme of things? George loves the Cards and "Albert' and Jeff likes to giggle and laugh. The perfect pbp man would get flak here.

redsmetz
09-19-2007, 05:09 AM
Quite honestly, with the Reds having to travel out west tomorrow after the game, and having to play Thursday night, tomorrow's game should be a day game.

Of course, I don't make the schedule.

I was very disappointed that one of the games wasn't a day game, at Wrigley of all places!

TeamBoone
09-19-2007, 05:07 PM
Normally, I would think today's game would have been during the day, especially with the Reds having to fly to the west coast afterward.

But I think the reason it isn't is because it's on ESPN tonight, and I'm sure they don't give a darn about the players.