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big boy
09-26-2007, 06:00 PM
Please forgive me if this was posted. The writer compares Ichiro to Dunn.

http://baseballevolution.com/asher/ichiro2007.html

RedsMightWin
09-26-2007, 06:24 PM
incomparable

Doro
09-26-2007, 07:54 PM
in all of Dunn's 40+ HR years (this will be his 4th) he has created more runs than Ichiro in each of those seasons. Thats the whole point of offense right?

DTCromer
09-26-2007, 10:18 PM
Ichiro, in my opinion, is the game's best hitter. . . bar none. To compare him to Adam Dunn is insulting Ichiro.

GoReds33
09-26-2007, 10:36 PM
If Ichiro wanted to he could hit 45 homers a season. He has that kind of ability. I guess he would probably hit like Adam Dunn if he were to try though.

Slyder
09-26-2007, 10:46 PM
They are completely different styles of hitters. It's not fair to either player to compare them (nor is it to compare Ty Cobb and Ichiro to an empty ba like Alex Sanchez), without one you dont get the other (as we have seen).

Give me my choice of any 7 power hitters and then for the 8th Dunn or Ichiro I would take Ichiro.

Likewise if I had Pete Rose, Rickey Henderson, Ty Cobb types, plus a couple good/not great power hitters I take Dunn for the RBI potential.

CySeymour
09-27-2007, 04:15 PM
Ichiro, in my opinion, is the game's best hitter. . . bar none. To compare him to Adam Dunn is insulting Ichiro.

How? Other than hitting for a higher average, how is Ichiro THAT much of a better hitter than Dunn?

RedsMightWin
09-27-2007, 04:45 PM
Ichiro > Dunn by a long shot

redsfanmia
09-27-2007, 05:03 PM
Total package its Ichiro by a long shot.

kbrake
09-27-2007, 06:05 PM
If we are talking to offense only I dont see how people put Ichiro in front of Dunn. He hits for zero power. He has scored only about 10 more runs while Dunn has drove in 40 more. Dunn is just behind in OBP and kills him in SLG.

RedsMightWin
09-27-2007, 06:23 PM
If we are talking to offense only I dont see how people put Ichiro in front of Dunn. He hits for zero power. He has scored only about 10 more runs while Dunn has drove in 40 more. Dunn is just behind in OBP and kills him in SLG.

What would you rather have 9 dunns in your line up or 9 ichiros. Honestly i would take the ichiros.

Screwball
09-27-2007, 07:15 PM
What would you rather have 9 dunns in your line up or 9 ichiros. Honestly i would take the ichiros.

That's pretty much exactly what the stat "RC/9" (runs created per 9 innings) formulates. They're pretty close, but Dunn has the edge...

Dunn: 7.8 RC/9 in 2007; 7.3 RC/9 for his career.
Ichiro: 7.1 RC/9 in 2007; 6.7 RC/9 for his career.

As you can see, a lineup full of Dunn's would theortically score more runs than a lineup of Ichiros. Personally, I'd probably rather have Dunn, although Ichiro's superior speed and defense would be nice to have.

jimbo
09-27-2007, 07:18 PM
What would you rather have 9 dunns in your line up or 9 ichiros. Honestly i would take the ichiros.

Why do you keep bringing up this idea of having 9 of one player in a lineup? It's a moot point because you never want a lineup full of one type of player.

Besides, this comparison makes little sense because Ichiro and Dunn are totally different type of hitters. I'd want them both in my lineup.

RedsMightWin
09-27-2007, 10:38 PM
Why do you keep bringing up this idea of having 9 of one player in a lineup? It's a moot point because you never want a lineup full of one type of player.

Besides, this comparison makes little sense because Ichiro and Dunn are totally different type of hitters. I'd want them both in my lineup.

Why do you keep arguing about it? I mean really. Let it go. I think on a different level when evaluating a player sometimes. What team would win more games if there was 9 of the same guy :rolleyes: I dont think its that far fetched of an idea.

God im sorry for looking at it a little different than you and I can actually have a open mind and look at things multiple of ways. Give me a freaking break. Just because it isnt going to happen in real life doesnt mean the point is null genius.

GoReds33
09-27-2007, 10:39 PM
A full lineup of Dunns, and you would guarantee yourself atleast a homer a night. I think that team would score about 8 runs a game.

RedsMightWin
09-27-2007, 10:40 PM
That's pretty much exactly what the stat "RC/9" (runs created per 9 innings) formulates. They're pretty close, but Dunn has the edge...

Dunn: 7.8 RC/9 in 2007; 7.3 RC/9 for his career.
Ichiro: 7.1 RC/9 in 2007; 6.7 RC/9 for his career.

As you can see, a lineup full of Dunn's would theortically score more runs than a lineup of Ichiros. Personally, I'd probably rather have Dunn, although Ichiro's superior speed and defense would be nice to have.
The line up of Dunns would score more runs yearly but which would do it more consistently.

GoReds33
09-27-2007, 10:43 PM
The line up of Dunns would score more runs yearly but which would do it more consistently.
The lineup of Ichiros. I just think that a lineup of Dunns would get 40,000 people in the crowd every night. They would still score more. I like total runs compared to consistency.:)

RedsMightWin
09-27-2007, 10:46 PM
The lineup of Ichiros. I just think that a lineup of Dunns would get 40,000 people in the crowd every night. They would still score more. I like total runs compared to consistency.:)

ill take the consistency over a few more runs a year.

GoReds33
09-27-2007, 10:47 PM
ill take the consistency over a few more runs a year.I'll defenitly take both though.:)

Jack Burton
09-27-2007, 10:58 PM
If you're starting a team and all current players are available, Ichiro would be selected before dunn everytime. Or at least he should be.

Slyder
09-28-2007, 02:12 AM
If you're starting a team and all current players are available, Ichiro would be selected before dunn everytime. Or at least he should be.

Why?

Dunn-27
Ichiro-33

Dunn- 13 mil option
Ichiro-18ish mil through the end of time... (yes I kid)

and seeing the other stats produced by various people in this thread its a lot closer than you might think.

Slyder
09-28-2007, 02:13 AM
If you're starting a team and all current players are available, Ichiro would be selected before dunn everytime. Or at least he should be.

Why?

Dunn-27
Ichiro-33

Dunn- 13 mil option
Ichiro-18ish mil through the end of time... (yes I kid)

and seeing the other stats produced by various people in this thread its a lot closer than you might think.

Slyder
09-28-2007, 02:13 AM
double post

SMcGavin
09-28-2007, 03:20 PM
If Ichiro wanted to he could hit 45 homers a season. He has that kind of ability. I guess he would probably hit like Adam Dunn if he were to try though.

If he could do that, he should. That's the whole point of the article. Dunn is more productive than Ichiro, if Ichiro could hit for more power the Mariners would be better off with him doing it.

SMcGavin
09-28-2007, 03:25 PM
Why?

Dunn-27
Ichiro-33

Dunn- 13 mil option
Ichiro-18ish mil through the end of time... (yes I kid)

and seeing the other stats produced by various people in this thread its a lot closer than you might think.

No kidding. Dunn is a better offensive player, Ichiro is far superior defensively. If we disregard contract and age I might choose Ichiro for 2008. If I was starting a franchise and had to choose one for my team, it would be Dunn for sure.

DTCromer
09-29-2007, 10:21 PM
How? Other than hitting for a higher average, how is Ichiro THAT much of a better hitter than Dunn?

Well for one, I've never seen Ichiro miss a base.

jimbo
09-30-2007, 02:48 AM
Well for one, I've never seen Ichiro miss a base.

That's just unfair. As has been reported, Dunn's knee has been hurting him all season causing him pain when he had to come to a stop when running, which could easily explain that incident.

Maldez
09-30-2007, 03:12 AM
Total run production is all that matters at the end of the day...everything else is smoke and mirrors. Dunn wins by a nose 151-150.

Screwball
09-30-2007, 03:21 AM
Well for one, I've never seen Ichiro miss a base.

I've never seen Buck Coats miss a base. Or Jason Ellison. Come to think of it, when's the last time Juan Castro missed a base?

Seriously, if you're going to try and knock a .940 OPS player, come with heavier ammo than a freakin' base-running mistake.

Jack Burton
09-30-2007, 10:59 PM
I'm pretty sure the guy was joking around, relax. It was a bonehead mistake.

Screwball
09-30-2007, 11:05 PM
I'm pretty sure the guy was joking around, relax. It was a bonehead mistake.

Normally I'd agree. But if you've read his previous posts on Dunn, you'd probably agree he wasn't joking around.

Degenerate39
09-30-2007, 11:31 PM
Well for one, I've never seen Ichiro miss a base.

Who knows maybe Ichiro will miss a base one day when he's got a bum knee

jimbo
10-01-2007, 01:38 PM
Who knows maybe Ichiro will miss a base one day when he's got a bum knee

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