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TOBTTReds
09-26-2007, 09:10 PM
This deserves its own thread, if I'm correct, BP is only the 2nd 30/30 second baseman ever? The other was Soriano, who is far far away from being a 2B.

Congrats to Brandon Phillips.

:beerme:

RedEye
09-26-2007, 09:57 PM
You are correct, sir. Second 30-30 second bagger ever. Quite a pick-up by WK.

Big Klu
09-26-2007, 10:17 PM
Congratulations to Brandon!

GAC
09-26-2007, 10:29 PM
It should also be noted that Brandon is...

8th in the NL in runs (106) and 7th in Hits (185)

RFS62
09-26-2007, 11:03 PM
I'm proud of him too. But I was getting pretty tired at watching him swing for the fences every single time at bat since he hit number 29.

RedFanAlways1966
09-26-2007, 11:40 PM
I'm proud of him too. But I was getting pretty tired at watching him swing for the fences every single time at bat since he hit number 29.

I think we can all agree that BP was thinking about #30 in each AB after he hit #29 on Sept. 12. However, he has a .308 batting average in 13 games since he hit #29 (16-for-52, 13 singles!). He also had 5 multi-hit games in that 13 game stretch (2nd on the team in that period, Hopper 7). Only 2 walks in those 13 games, but he has never been a patient guy (2 walks in the entire month of June and 3 walks in the entire month of Aug).

I too mumbled a few times, "Brandon, quit swinging for #30 and just hit." But when I checked, he seemed to be hitting at about his normal pace.

RedEye
09-27-2007, 12:17 AM
Just a few more walks and we'll have a real superstar on our hands.

fearofpopvol1
09-27-2007, 02:21 AM
gotta love the fact that this not only is not on the front page of ESPN.com, but it's not even a listed headline on the mlb page. What a joke.

Cedric
09-27-2007, 03:30 AM
I'm proud of him too. But I was getting pretty tired at watching him swing for the fences every single time at bat since he hit number 29.

When hasn't he hacked for the homer this season? It's his game.

Ravenlord
09-27-2007, 03:34 AM
When hasn't he hacked for the homer this season? It's his game.

it wasn't until he hit 29 he started trying to pull everything until he had two strikes, that was really the only difference.

KronoRed
09-27-2007, 03:34 AM
gotta love the fact that this not only is not on the front page of ESPN.com, but it's not even a listed headline on the mlb page. What a joke.

Didn't you hear? the yankees made the playoffs again! I mean..that is a story that just can't be topped....

WVRedsFan
09-27-2007, 03:40 AM
Didn't you hear? the yankees made the playoffs again! I mean..that is a story that just can't be topped....
Booooo

Ron Madden
09-27-2007, 05:15 AM
Congrats to Brandon Phillips. :beerme:

I just wish the powers that be could recognize that BP is not a cleanup hitter.

Chip R
09-27-2007, 10:06 AM
Congratulations to Brandon! He's come a long way in 2 years.

Dan
09-27-2007, 10:16 AM
Congrats to Brandon Phillips. :beerme:

I just wish the powers that be could recognize that BP is not a cleanup hitter.

Agreed. And if he's got issues with hitting into double plays, bat him leadoff where he can't do that as much.

Congrats brandon! :jump::rockband::beerme:

MrCinatit
09-27-2007, 10:19 AM
The guy is a heck of a lot of fun to watch, this is for certain.
I only hope he has a gold glove and silver slugger to go along with it, but it seems that lately, Reds are automatically disqualified from such nods.

joshnky
09-27-2007, 10:21 AM
gotta love the fact that this not only is not on the front page of ESPN.com, but it's not even a listed headline on the mlb page. What a joke.

As a non-Reds fan would you be more interested in the postseason chase or a player reaching a milestone on a horrible team? I'm excited that Phillips reached the number but even as a Reds fan I think I'm more interested in some of the pennant races than anything that happens on this team. With several spots still up in the air this is turning out to be a great final week of the season.

TOBTTReds
09-27-2007, 01:27 PM
As a non-Reds fan would you be more interested in the postseason chase or a player reaching a milestone on a horrible team? I'm excited that Phillips reached the number but even as a Reds fan I think I'm more interested in some of the pennant races than anything that happens on this team. With several spots still up in the air this is turning out to be a great final week of the season.

Not only that, JRoll just did it two days ago.

15fan
09-27-2007, 04:10 PM
Buy low, sell high.

RedEye
09-27-2007, 07:18 PM
Agreed. And if he's got issues with hitting into double plays, bat him leadoff where he can't do that as much.

Congrats brandon! :jump::rockband::beerme:

I think I disagree with batting him leadoff even more than batting him cleanup. A .330 OBP just isn't getting it done from the first spot in the order no matter how much speed you have, and the whole "he won't ground into as many double plays" argument only pertains the first time he bats.

Okay, back to our regularly scheduled programing...

Congratulations, BP!

Matt700wlw
09-27-2007, 07:24 PM
It's amazing how 18 months ago, he was DFA'd by the Cleveland Indiands and basically out of work.


I can't say it enough...the biggest steal in baseball last season...kudos to Wayne Krivsky

TeamBoone
09-27-2007, 10:19 PM
09/27/2007


Good company: Phillips in 30-30 club
Reds fall to Astros as second baseman reaches elite plateau
By Mark Sheldon / MLB.com

CINCINNATI -- Trying to become a first-time 30-30 player, the goal teased and taunted Brandon Phillips into frustration for two weeks.
On Wednesday, Phillips could breathe easy. He got it, finally.

Phillips hit his 30th home run in the first inning but the Reds dropped their fourth straight game during a 7-6 loss vs. the Astros.

"I promise you, I've lost like five pounds," Phillips joked. "Even my pants feel kind of [loose.] I got the monkey off my back."

Already with 32 stolen bases, Phillips joined Alfonso Soriano as the only two second basemen to reach 30 homers and 30 stolen bases in a season. The homer against Houston rookie starter Juan Gutierrez made history but also helped keep Cincinnati in the game. The Astros had taken a 4-0 lead in the top of the first against starter Tom Shearn, who did not finish the inning.

There were two outs in the Reds' first when Joey Votto hit a double to right field. Phillips followed by hitting a 3-1 pitch to right field that landed in the first row of seats. It was his first homer since Sept. 12 -- ending a 50 at-bat drought.

Once the ball cleared the fence, Phillips raised his right fist in the air and clearly enjoyed the moment as he rounded the bases.

"Everybody was thrilled for him. He's a great kid," Reds interim manager Pete Mackanin said. "Everybody was hoping he would get it for a number of reasons. One of them was so he'd relax a little bit and quit trying to go for it. Any kind of an accomplishment such as that deserves a big applause."

After returning to the dugout, fans boisterously summoned him out of the dugout for a curtain call.

"It hasn't really settled in yet," Phillips said. "I still can't believe I achieved a goal that only one other second baseman has done. It amazes me. It's a good feeling to be in the category, especially with my favorite player growing up. It's a blessing."

That favorite player growing up was Reds shortstop great Barry Larkin, who Phillips idolized when he was still a young shortstop. Larkin had a 30-30 season in 1996 and Eric Davis was the first Cincinnati player to reach the goal in 1987. The Reds gave fans commemorative cards honoring Phillips' achievement during the game and will hand out more on Thursday.

Phillips joined Adam Dunn and Ken Griffey Jr. in reaching 30 homers this season. It's only the third time in franchise history -- and the first time since 1970 -- that three Reds hit 30 out in the same season.

Reds reliever Kirk Saarloos hit a game-tying two-run double in the second inning and was given a 5-4 lead when he scored on Jeff Keppinger's double play grounder. Votto followed with his second double, but that was the final hit off of Gutierrez, who retired his last 10 batters and exited after five innings.

"Same old equation," Mackanin said. "We got to their starter early and couldn't tack on. We needed to do that."

In a 4-for-5, four-RBI night, Lance Berkman offset Phillips' effort with two homers. Berkman's two-out solo homer put the Astros ahead again in the fourth. Buck Coats' RBI double in the Reds' sixth tied the game at 6. The two teams combined for 25 hits.

The deciding run scored in the eighth against Jared Burton (4-2) as Hunter Pence rolled an RBI single into center field. Norris Hopper made a good throw home, but Carlos Lee slid and niftily eluded Javier Valentin's tag as he touched the plate safely with his left hand.

"The sad thing about it is I wished we would have won today," said Phillips, who struck out three times in his 1-for-4 night. "That's the No. 1 thing."

Phillips originally set out this season to be a 20-20 man. Once he reached the goal in August, he set his sights on 30-30.

"I'll think of some new goals before the season starts next year," Phillips said. "But since I did 30-30, I feel like I can do it again. I wanted to have all my numbers be better than they were last year and play more games. Everything on the stat rack is better, even defensively."

Phillips' sterling defensive skills could earn him a National League Gold Glove after the season.

"There are a number of offensive-oriented players in both leagues," Mackanin said. "But to have the defensive ability that he has is unusual."

In April 2006, Phillips was acquired in a trade from the Indians after he was designated for assignment. A former Cleveland prospect, his career rekindled in Cincinnati.

It's proved to be one of the more lopsided deals in recent years. Phillips, 26, is entering his first year of arbitration eligibility and has become a centerpiece in the Reds' future. Mackanin was asked if Phillips was just scratching the surface.

"What he's doing is pretty good," he replied. "I don't think he's going to hit 40 or 50 home runs ever. The thing about him is: Was this a career year, or is he going to continue to do it? I choose to believe this is the type of year he's going to put together year-to-year. I don't think he's a one-time 30-30 guy."
http://cincinnati.reds.mlb.com/news/gameday_recap.jsp?ymd=20070926&content_id=2232416&vkey=recap&fext=.jsp&c_id=cin

M2
09-28-2007, 02:04 PM
30-30 and getting serious Gold Glove consideration is all very exciting. Yet what I really like Phillips got put on display against the Giants against the Giants last week. In the 11th inning of road game up against a team going nowhere and playing for a team going nowhere, Phillips went 1st to 3rd on a sac bunt and then scored the winning run.

There's something to be being a baseball player, to having the innate ability to care about the game even when you have no external reason to do so. I maintain Phillips is going to get the most from what he's got because he's got a head for the game.

fearofpopvol1
09-28-2007, 02:24 PM
As a non-Reds fan would you be more interested in the postseason chase or a player reaching a milestone on a horrible team? I'm excited that Phillips reached the number but even as a Reds fan I think I'm more interested in some of the pennant races than anything that happens on this team. With several spots still up in the air this is turning out to be a great final week of the season.

I completely understand that. I don't think it's a top story at the moment, but this is only the 2nd time a 2B player has done this in the history of the game. Don't you think it should've at least been mentioned on the MLB headlines page???

westofyou
09-28-2007, 02:36 PM
Phillips will crack the top ten in outs made for a 30/30 guy this weekend


SEASON
STOLEN BASES >= 30
HOMERUNS >= 30
OBA vs. the league average displayed only--not a sorting criteria
PLATE APPEARANCES displayed only--not a sorting criteria

OUTS YEAR OUTS SB HR OBA PA
1 Alfonso Soriano 2002 516 41 39 .001 741
2 Alex Rodriguez 1998 505 46 42 .019 748
3 Alfonso Soriano 2003 502 35 38 .004 734
4 Alfonso Soriano 2006 493 41 46 .008 728
5 Bobby Bonds 1973 490 43 39 .038 738
6 Bobby Bonds 1969 481 45 32 .022 720
7 Alfonso Soriano 2005 479 30 36 -.021 682
8 Shawn Green 1998 477 35 35 -.006 689
9 Preston Wilson 2000 476 36 31 -.020 674
10 Dante Bichette 1996 475 31 31 .020 694

INCINNATI REDS
SEASON
STOLEN BASES >= 30
HOMERUNS >= 30
OBA vs. the league average displayed only--not a sorting criteria
PLATE APPEARANCES displayed only--not a sorting criteria

OUTS YEAR OUTS SB HR OBA PA
1 Barry Larkin 1996 400 36 33 .071 627
2 Eric Davis 1987 350 50 37 .060 562





BTW top Reds PA's in a season, Phillips should top 700 this season. Making him the first Red in 21 years to reach 700 PA's






PLATE APPEARANCES YEAR PA PA RB
1 Pete Rose 1974 770 770 296
2 Pete Rose 1975 764 764 310
3 Pete Rose 1976 759 759 307
4 Pete Rose 1965 757 757 286
5 Pete Rose 1973 752 752 301
6 Tommy Harper 1965 745 745 249
7 Pete Rose 1977 731 731 275
T8 Pete Rose 1972 729 729 278
T8 Pete Rose 1978 729 729 263
T10 Pete Rose 1969 728 728 311
T10 Pete Rose 1970 728 728 280
T10 Vada Pinson 1965 728 728 254
13 George Burns 1923 724 724 269
14 George Burns 1922 723 723 260
15 Bob Bescher 1911 716 716 272
16 Johnny Temple 1956 712 712 239
17 Frankie Baumholtz 1947 711 711 239
18 Johnny Bench 1974 708 708 257
T19 Pete Rose 1971 707 707 263
T19 Woody Williams 1944 707 707 203
T19 Bill Werber 1939 707 707 270
T22 Vada Pinson 1959 706 706 261
T22 Vada Pinson 1960 706 706 239
24 Tony Perez 1969 704 704 250
25 Frank Robinson 1962 701 701 295
T26 Dain Clay 1945 700 700 223
T26 Jake Daubert 1922 700 700 264
T26 Pete Rose 1966 700 700 243
T26 Dave Parker 1986 700 700 231

lollipopcurve
09-28-2007, 03:06 PM
There's something to be being a baseball player, to having the innate ability to care about the game even when you have no external reason to do so. I maintain Phillips is going to get the most from what he's got because he's got a head for the game.

Absolutely -- plus, what stands out for me is that Phillips has the elite athleticism that he can make some phenomenal plays that really are a combination of instinct and talent. The two examples that I will remember from this year -- beyond the double stolen base and the advancing to third from first on a bunt -- are the barehand play he made in short right to throw out Phelps at the plate and end the game, of course, and a play I only half remember from somewhere in the latter/mid part of the season where -- and bear with me here -- playing defense he was somehow involved in a play where a throw came to the plate and then the catcher gunned the ball back to 2nd, overthrowing the bag -- somehow Phillips had transitioned from the initial play to be in position to back up the throw to 2nd, so that when the ball got past the SS he was there -- and I believe he either then threw a runner out or saved a runner from advancing. In other words, he showed the instinct to be backing up the throw and the quickness to get there. I was very impressed...not sure if others can remember and explain the play better.....

Reds Nd2
09-29-2007, 02:08 AM
Phillips will crack the top ten in outs made for a 30/30 guy this weekend
Not too many guys on that list who play Gold Glove caliber defense at 2B though. I'll take the 30/30 offense and the defense from my middle infielders.

westofyou
09-29-2007, 10:52 AM
Not too many guys on that list who play Gold Glove caliber defense at 2B though. I'll take the 30/30 offense and the defense from my middle infielders.

Yes sir, and at less then 18 million a year he's a bargain!!