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cincinnati chili
09-30-2007, 01:44 PM
If MLB.com is correct, the Mets are down 7-0 on the final day of the season in a game they must win.

I'm stunned. I have a few friends who need to be put on suicide watch.

RFS62
09-30-2007, 01:46 PM
Wow, John Tsitouris must be pitching.

RedsBaron
09-30-2007, 02:15 PM
Wow, John Tsitouris must be pitching.

Actually it was a 300 game winner, Tom Glavine, who got rocked for seven runs in the first inning. The Phillies will still have to win to eliminate the Mets, even if the Mets lose to the Marlins. The Phils have an early 1-0 lead in their game.

RFS62
09-30-2007, 02:17 PM
Actually it was a 300 game winner, Tom Glavine, who got rocked for seven runs in the first inning.



I wonder if he showed up at the park with his car loaded for the drive home.

Wheelhouse
09-30-2007, 02:23 PM
What a Reds-like collapse. I feel bad for their fans...

37red
09-30-2007, 02:44 PM
I feel bad for Tom Glavine, and the terrible end of a run for first in the East. But I'm still pulling for the Phillies today.

MWM
09-30-2007, 02:49 PM
One of my closest friends at work is a HUGE Mets fan. I told him on Friday that it was all his fault for schedling his wedding in October of this year. This is his punishment. The only silver lining, according to him, is that now he won't have to be worrying about the playoffs when he's getting married and on his honeymoon.

Falls City Beer
09-30-2007, 02:51 PM
I'm guessing Tom Glavine's career is all but over.

It was a good one; he should quit before it gets embarrassing. Still, there's a lot of baseball left in this game, and if it's one team I don't mind chasing, even on the last day of the season, it's the Phils.

Matt700wlw
09-30-2007, 02:55 PM
I'm guessing Tom Glavine's career is all but over.

It was a good one; he should quit before it gets embarrassing. Still, there's a lot of baseball left in this game, and if it's one team I don't mind chasing, even on the last day of the season, it's the Phils.

I think he said he'll pitch next season.

Falls City Beer
09-30-2007, 02:56 PM
I think he said he'll pitch next season.

He shouldn't.

Shea Stadium is the only reason his numbers aren't really icky.

westofyou
09-30-2007, 03:05 PM
I think he said he'll pitch next season.http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=6771


Florida seems certain to finally follow through on the rumors that have been circulating for seemingly forever, and will trade left-hander Dontrelle Willis this winter, rather than go to arbitration and risk him winning a salary of $9 million or more following a poor season. The Mets and Tom Glavine have a $13 million option for next season that he can decline but is otherwise guaranteed. The Mets may ask him to come back at a lower salary, but that could inspire Glavine to return Atlanta, particularly if the Braves would be willing to give him a one-year, $10 million contract.

37red
09-30-2007, 03:23 PM
Falls City, is that following the Phillies, or beating them?

JaxRed
09-30-2007, 03:30 PM
A 13 million player option.....? Yeah, he'll be back

KronoRed
09-30-2007, 03:34 PM
Come on nats, I want 4 team chaos!

37red
09-30-2007, 03:43 PM
That would be fun.

Cyclone792
09-30-2007, 03:44 PM
I still loathe the Mets from 1999 so I won't be disappointed at all to see them falter.

37red
09-30-2007, 03:51 PM
That's how I feel too.

Red in Chicago
09-30-2007, 04:01 PM
I still loathe the Mets from 1999 so I won't be disappointed at all to see them falter.

Ditto. Also glad the Brewers callapsed as well.

pedro
09-30-2007, 04:03 PM
http://web.tiscali.it/fabioracco2/images/Whois16.gif

Haha!

MWM
09-30-2007, 04:04 PM
Ditto. Also glad the Brewers callapsed as well.

Not me, because the Cubs are the LAST team I EVER want to see in the playoffs. I loather the Cubs.

OnBaseMachine
09-30-2007, 04:27 PM
6-1 Phillies in the 8th. Marlins lead the Mets 8-1 in the 9th. The Phillies have it all but locked up.

In the Wildcard, the Padres trail 6-4 in bottom of the 6th inning at Milwaukee. The Rockies are scoreless in the bottom of the 5th. Ubaldo Jimenez has a no-hitter through five innings for the Rockies.

MrCinatit
09-30-2007, 04:32 PM
Mets lose

Nationals up in the top of the ninth, down 6-1 by the Phillies

37red
09-30-2007, 04:34 PM
Who was the pitcher that took the Reds down in "99". Started with an L?

Reds Fanatic
09-30-2007, 04:36 PM
Phillies win and the greatest collapse in baseball history is complete.

BoydsOfSummer
09-30-2007, 04:36 PM
Leiter

MrCinatit
09-30-2007, 04:36 PM
And Philly has officially done it. Wow.
Historic chokes by Milwaukee and the Mets this year.

Reds Fanatic
09-30-2007, 04:38 PM
Brewers now up 9-4. If the Rockies can win looks like a one game playoff tomorrow.

37red
09-30-2007, 04:40 PM
Leiter made them look like excited little leaguers. I almost got the feeling that he felt bad for them.

cincinnati chili
09-30-2007, 04:40 PM
Brewers now up 9-4. If the Rockies can win looks like a one game playoff tomorrow.

Yes, and Ubaldo Jimenez had a no-hitter going for Colorado into the 6th. It's now a 1-hitter with 10 strikeouts after 6.

OnBaseMachine
09-30-2007, 04:42 PM
Ubaldo Jimenez has a one hit shutout through six innings for the Rockies.

The Rockies just need to win this game to force a one game playoff.

Reds Fanatic
09-30-2007, 04:42 PM
If there is a playoff it will be played in Colorado tomorrow.

Reds Fanatic
09-30-2007, 04:48 PM
Rockies now up 1-0 in the 6th.

OnBaseMachine
09-30-2007, 04:49 PM
Padres trail 9-4 in the bottom of the 7th.

OnBaseMachine
09-30-2007, 05:00 PM
10-4 Brewers over Padres in the 7th.

Reds Fanatic
09-30-2007, 05:02 PM
Arizona has now tied it 1-1.

Chip R
09-30-2007, 05:03 PM
Way to go, Brewers. Nice wins when the pressure's off. :thumbdown

OnBaseMachine
09-30-2007, 05:12 PM
Rockies get out a jam and the game remains tied at 1 after 6 1/2 innings.

OnBaseMachine
09-30-2007, 05:21 PM
Padres are three outs away from losing. 10-4 Brewers in the 8th.

Rockies and DBacks are tied 1-1 in the top of the 8th.

RedsManRick
09-30-2007, 05:23 PM
Pretty sure that I read that the Mets will set the new record for missing the playoffs after having such a high % chance of making it according to their playoff odds system.

OnBaseMachine
09-30-2007, 05:30 PM
Fuentes retired the first two in the 8th but has now walked two straight batters. Runners on first and second and two outs for the Diamondbacks.

RedsBaron
09-30-2007, 05:32 PM
I still loathe the Mets from 1999 so I won't be disappointed at all to see them falter.

I've loathed the Mets since the 1973 NLCS.

OnBaseMachine
09-30-2007, 05:32 PM
He gets out of it! 1-1 game heading to the bottom of the 8th and the Rockies will have Tulowitzki, Holliday, and Helton due up.

cincinnati chili
09-30-2007, 05:33 PM
If any of you are watching this game on Extra Innings, the home plate umpire was very consistent on balls/strikes in the early innings, and then became very generous with the corners for Brian Fuentes.

As a quasi-Rockies fan, I'll take it.

Chip R
09-30-2007, 05:34 PM
Tulowitski reaches on an error.

Tom Servo
09-30-2007, 05:35 PM
Rockies have runners on the corners, no outs in the bottom of the 8th!

Reds Fanatic
09-30-2007, 05:35 PM
Rockies have runners on 1st and 3rd with no outs.

OnBaseMachine
09-30-2007, 05:36 PM
Padres lost 11-6. All the Rockies have to do now in win.

cincinnati chili
09-30-2007, 05:37 PM
Bet the Padres are going to be deflated to come in the clubhouse and see the Rockies threatening.

cincinnati chili
09-30-2007, 05:39 PM
The shadows at home plate are pretty nasty. Lefties don't seem to be picking up the baseball out of the lefty pitchers' hands.

Reds Fanatic
09-30-2007, 05:39 PM
Helton walks. Bases loaded.

Tom Servo
09-30-2007, 05:40 PM
Rockies go up 2-1 on Atkins single!

Reds Fanatic
09-30-2007, 05:40 PM
Atkins drives in 1 run. 2-1 Rockies.

OnBaseMachine
09-30-2007, 05:40 PM
Bases loaded and 0 outs with Atkins and Hawpe coming up. They gotta score here.

RedsManRick
09-30-2007, 05:41 PM
I'm firmly on the Rockies bandwagon. Just a fun team to root for.

Chip R
09-30-2007, 05:41 PM
I love me a playoff.

Tom Servo
09-30-2007, 05:41 PM
I'm firmly on the Rockies bandwagon. Just a fun team to root for.
Same here.

Reds Fanatic
09-30-2007, 05:42 PM
Hawpe 2 run double. 4-1 Rockies.

Patrick Bateman
09-30-2007, 05:45 PM
Great atmosphere in this game. Very exciting baseball. For the rest of this season I am a Rockies fan.

Reds Fanatic
09-30-2007, 05:49 PM
DP ends the inning. 4-1 Rockies after 8.

cincinnati chili
09-30-2007, 05:51 PM
Manny Corpas has blown only one save since becoming closer and it was a 1-run game. Barring a major chokage, which I don't anticipate, there will be a playoff tomorrow.

Thank you Brett Tomko!

Thank you Rockies!

Reds Fanatic
09-30-2007, 05:55 PM
2nd and 3rd with no outs.

OnBaseMachine
09-30-2007, 05:56 PM
I hope the Rockies stranding the bases loaded with 0 outs doesn't come back to bite them in the butt.

Reds Fanatic
09-30-2007, 06:00 PM
Now 4-2 with 1 out.

OnBaseMachine
09-30-2007, 06:02 PM
Two outs!

Rockies are one out away from a one-game playoff!

Reds Fanatic
09-30-2007, 06:03 PM
Now 4-3 with 2 outs.

cumberlandreds
09-30-2007, 06:03 PM
I've loathed the Mets since the 1973 NLCS.


You took my post away. I was going to post that after I read through all of this thread. I have always hated the Mets since that '73 NLCS.

SandyD
09-30-2007, 06:04 PM
They're making it interesting.

Reds Fanatic
09-30-2007, 06:05 PM
Rockies win. There will be a one game playoff in Colorado tomorrow on TBS.

OnBaseMachine
09-30-2007, 06:05 PM
Sweet! Rockies win 4-3!

cincinnati chili
09-30-2007, 06:05 PM
Todd Helton doesn't have much of a vertical... jumping up and down.

Unassisted
09-30-2007, 06:50 PM
What a Reds-like collapse. I feel bad for their fans...
The Mets collapse is epically bad and I hope it in no way ever resembles anything the Reds do. They led their division from May 15 up to the final weekend of the season. That's just a sad way to miss the playoffs.

Maybe it was the 1999 karma pendulum that knocked Glavine off of the mound? ;)

SunDeck
09-30-2007, 07:17 PM
What a Reds-like collapse. I feel bad for their fans...

I don't.
I still hate the Mets from the 80's.

redsmetz
09-30-2007, 07:34 PM
You took my post away. I was going to post that after I read through all of this thread. I have always hated the Mets since that '73 NLCS.

I always disliked Davey Johnson after the Boston collapse (and it was a struggle to like him as a Reds manager). After the ball went through Buckner's legs he was asked about almost being eliminated and did he feel fortunate to have made it. No, he said, the best team one. And I always felt that didn't acknowledge the cruel hand of fate in such things. That's just me.

oneupper
09-30-2007, 08:17 PM
I always disliked Davey Johnson after the Boston collapse (and it was a struggle to like him as a Reds manager). After the ball went through Buckner's legs he was asked about almost being eliminated and did he feel fortunate to have made it. No, he said, the best team one. And I always felt that didn't acknowledge the cruel hand of fate in such things. That's just me.

Somewhere Bill Buckner is smiling...

Gene Mauch is laughing his head off.

cincinnati chili
09-30-2007, 08:30 PM
I think Davey Johnson is the best tactician and probably the best manager I ever saw in a Reds uniform... and I date back to the 70s.

deltachi8
09-30-2007, 09:13 PM
I think Davey Johnson is the best tactician and probably the best manager I ever saw in a Reds uniform... and I date back to the 70s.

agreed.

pedro
09-30-2007, 09:16 PM
I think Davey Johnson is the best tactician and probably the best manager I ever saw in a Reds uniform... and I date back to the 70s.

Absolutely fabulous manger IMO. One of the few guys IMO who could really make a difference. He'd be my first choice for manager, even today.

pedro
09-30-2007, 09:17 PM
Isn't Davey managing team USA?

KronoRed
09-30-2007, 10:30 PM
Isn't Davey managing team USA?

Yep, also working as a special consultant with the Nats.

Krusty
10-01-2007, 08:10 AM
The 64 Phillies can step aside. There is a new team to assume this embarrassing flop.

Falls City Beer
10-01-2007, 08:12 AM
The Mets, like the Brewers, undone by a thin rotation. Starters are the linchpin.

GAC
10-01-2007, 08:16 AM
http://bostondirtdogs.boston.com/Headline_Archives/10.2_Ozzie_choke_BDD.jpg
http://www.ehow.com/images/ehows/steps/consciouschokingadultstep1_L.jpg

redsmetz
10-01-2007, 08:29 AM
I think Davey Johnson is the best tactician and probably the best manager I ever saw in a Reds uniform... and I date back to the 70s.

I don't question that he was a masterful manager and I came to appreciate him as the Reds manager, but it still always struck me as a bit of hubris to at least not have tipped his hat to the luck of the game. You can even say in the same breath that no game is ever over until it's over, but they were still very lucky nonetheless.

oneupper
10-01-2007, 08:33 AM
The 64 Phillies can step aside. There is a new team to assume this embarrassing flop.

Not quite IMO. Losing a 6 1/2 game lead with 12 left still wins over losing a 7 game lead with 17 left.

They can be mentioned in the same light, however. Very comparable.

oneupper
10-01-2007, 08:34 AM
The Mets, like the Brewers, undone by a thin rotation. Starters are the linchpin.

Incredible what a big difference Sheets made.

When he was healthy...Brewers flew. He went down, the team flopped.

Highlifeman21
10-01-2007, 08:51 AM
The Mets, like the Brewers, undone by a thin rotation. Starters are the linchpin.

To some, we've found our linchpin.

His name is Homer Bailey.


:rolleyes:

westofyou
10-01-2007, 10:40 AM
To some, we've found our linchpin.

His name is Homer Bailey.


:rolleyes:

Let the off season bashing begin.....:eek:

registerthis
10-01-2007, 10:48 AM
Let the off season bashing begin.....:eek:

Why wait for the offseason? He's been getting bashed for months.

Johnny Footstool
10-01-2007, 11:00 AM
The Mets, like the Brewers, undone by a thin rotation. Starters are the linchpin.

This was their problem all season long. The Mets lacked a top-of-the-rotation starter capable of carrying the team. Maine and Perez are fine in the 2-3 spots, but they're too inconsistent to be the anchors.

IslandRed
10-01-2007, 11:14 AM
Pretty sure that I read that the Mets will set the new record for missing the playoffs after having such a high % chance of making it according to their playoff odds system.

If you're talking about the BP article by Nate Silver and their playoff odds report, I think he said it would be second place on the list.

#1 was the 1995 Angels, who, with 38 games to play, managed to blow a 9.5 game division lead AND a 12-game cushion for the Wild Card.

NJReds
10-01-2007, 12:16 PM
What a Reds-like collapse. I feel bad for their fans...

I don't, and I have friends who are Mets fans. For most of the season most Mets fans were having a better time enjoying the Yankees early season woes more than they were enjoying their own team's run. They expected a cakewalk to the World Series this year. The regular season, until last week, was an afterthought.

The Mets are one of the most disliked teams in baseball (among the players) or so I've heard. They were absolutely hammering Florida on Saturday, and instead of letting sleeping dogs lie, there's Jose Reyes is doing wacky home run celebrations with Lastings Milledge, just rubbing it in during a 13-0 drubbing. The Marlins wanted to knock the Mets out in the worst way yesterday.

Unassisted
10-01-2007, 04:52 PM
Notable MLB collapses, from Reuters (http://www.reuters.com/article/sportsNews/idUSN0131955720071001).


(Reuters) - The New York Mets became the first major league team to squander a seven-game lead with 17 games left in the season, when they were overtaken on Sunday by the Philadelphia Phillies for the National League East title.

Here are some of other notable collapses over the years in Major League Baseball:

* The 1964 Philadelphia Phillies led by 6.5 games over the St Louis Cardinals and Cincinnati Reds with 12 games left in the season. The Phillies, whose manager Gene Mauch pitched his top starters, Jim Bunning and Chris Short, as much as he could down the stretch, lost 10 in a row and ended up one game behind eventual World Series champion Cardinals.

* The 1978 Boston Red Sox led by 14 games in July and by 7.5 games with 32 left before being caught by the New York Yankees, who went on to beat them in a one-game playoff at Fenway Park on their way to winning the World Series.

* The 1951 Brooklyn Dodgers held a 13.5-game lead on August 11 but were caught by the red-hot New York Giants who won 16 in a row and 37 of their final 44 games and tied the Dodgers on the last day. The Giants won a three-game playoff on Bobby Thomson's homer known as the "Shot Heard Round the World".

* The 1995 California Angels led the by 11.5 games on August 9 but went 12-27 over their last 39 games and lost a one-game playoff to the Seattle Mariners.

* The 1962 Los Angeles Dodgers blew a four-game lead in the final seven games, losing 10 of their final 13 and the last four games. The Dodgers lost a best-of-three playoff once again to the Giants.

* The 1934 New York Giants were the first to squander a seven-game lead in September, losing their last five games as the Cardinals charged to the pennant by winning 11 of their last 13.

NJReds
10-01-2007, 05:02 PM
In 1999, the Mets lost 10 out of 14 in September (including 7 in a row) to allow the Reds to take the lead in the Wildcard. The Mets regrouped that season to sweep Pittsburgh, while the Reds lost 2-of-3 to Milwaukee, which set up the 1-game playoff.

M2
10-01-2007, 05:39 PM
The Mets, like the Brewers, undone by a thin rotation. Starters are the linchpin.

That team had so many problems coming down the end of the year, I don't think it makes much sense to pretend there was a single flaw. When the starters pitched well, the bullpen choked. If the starters and the bullpen pitched well, the offense choked. The defense fell apart. Jose Reyes was a full-tilt out machine in September.

All things considered, Pedro, Perez and Maine is a solid threesome to build on. They need a 200+ IP horse in there too (which they can afford), but the team lost six games in which they got a quality start over their last 34. Despite El Duque getting injured and spotty performances by the rest of the rotation, they gave the team enough to salt away the division.

Though may I say I'm terribly disappointed by yesterday's loss because it prevented us from getting watch the sorting out of a four-way tie.

M2
10-01-2007, 07:46 PM
I should add that the Mets collapse and the Phillies victory is fabulous for MLB. Those two teams have co-existed for 45 years without ever having had much of a bone of contention between them. When one has been good, the other usually hasn't.

I know a lot of Mets fans and I know a lot of Phillies fans and they've never paid much attention to the other club. It's always been like Old Whathisname who was in all of your classes in high school, but you never much spoke to each other.

Well, Old Whathisname just turned up in bed with your wife. Bet you know his name now.

This is the rivalry around which the NL East should revolve. The Nats are too new and it's hard to have a rivalry with the Braves because A) Atlanta isn't particularly close to the New York or Philly and B) Braves fans don't seem to care overly much about the Braves. The Marlins have been building or rebuilding during most of their existence.

The Mets and Phils have money and enough talent to be a danger for the forseeable future. Now they've got some history too.

Not since the Yankees stomped the Whiz Kids in 1950 have a New York and Philly team played with much at stake between them. Not since Connie Mack dismantled his Jimmy Foxx, Lefty Grove, Al Simmons team have teams from New York and Philadelphia been hot contenders for a division/league title.

Not since a young, drunken Grover Cleveland Alexander replaced an aging, sober Christy Mathewson as the best pitcher in the NL have the Phillies been vying at the front of the pack with New York clubs for NL glory.

This is the great unrealized rivalry in baseball. Maybe it will finally happen thanks to this.

Falls City Beer
10-01-2007, 08:12 PM
That team had so many problems coming down the end of the year, I don't think it makes much sense to pretend there was a single flaw. When the starters pitched well, the bullpen choked. If the starters and the bullpen pitched well, the offense choked. The defense fell apart. Jose Reyes was a full-tilt out machine in September.

All things considered, Pedro, Perez and Maine is a solid threesome to build on. They need a 200+ IP horse in there too (which they can afford), but the team lost six games in which they got a quality start over their last 34. Despite El Duque getting injured and spotty performances by the rest of the rotation, they gave the team enough to salt away the division.

Though may I say I'm terribly disappointed by yesterday's loss because it prevented us from getting watch the sorting out of a four-way tie.

The defense and offense were there most of the year--the thing that killed them the most was a thin rotation.

nate
10-01-2007, 08:16 PM
The defense and offense were there most of the year--the thing that killed them the most was a thin rotation.

You mean Jeff Conine wasn't their undoing?

Falls City Beer
10-01-2007, 08:21 PM
You mean Jeff Conine wasn't their undoing?

The only team in the postseason defying my "Must Have a Three-Deep Rotation" edict is the Phils; and they're a first-round exit.

M2
10-01-2007, 08:22 PM
The defense and offense were there most of the year--the thing that killed them the most was a thin rotation.

The rotation was there most of the year too. It finished 5th in the NL in ERA and it would have been top three except for the last swoon.

Yet the defense also went from leading MLB in DER for most of the season, hovering around .730 in August, to finishing 5th overall at .707. The offense scored two or fewer runs in 8 of the team's final 34 games. It scored 3 or 4 runs another 9 times (the Mets went 5-4 in those games). The scoring got real inconsistent when it counted.

Though what really set the Mets apart late in the season is that even when the offense or pitching/defense got it right, it's counterpart was sure to get it more wrong.

Highlifeman21
10-03-2007, 04:50 PM
Let the off season bashing begin.....:eek:

Do you honestly think Homer Bailey is ready for the MLB level? If so, what makes you think that notion? If not, then where would you place his development?