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westofyou
10-01-2007, 12:43 AM
http://www.kansascity.com/180/story/296710-p2.html


Bell is so determined to prevent bad things from happening that hes all too willing to give up good things.

That brings us back to LaRue. Hes a perfectly adequate defensive catcher. Hes been around. Hes tough. And yes, this phrase will be repeated he knows how to play the game. So he plays. A lot. Since they banned the spitball in 1920, only a handful of players have had 150 at-bats and hit less than .150. LaRue, barring a last-second hot streak, will become one of those guys.

And when you consider LaRue hit .194 in 2006, you could argue that its no fluke.

An American League manager cannot play anybody who is hitting .148. No exceptions. But Bell never even blinked. Why? LaRue will not do stupid things (unless you consider striking out stupid). He knows how to play the game.

Worst Batting Average in the division era for guys with at least 195 PA's and less then 175 AB's

LaRue 198 PA's 169 ab's

.148/.240/.272 He struck out once every 2.56 ab's that's more then Ryan Howard (2.65 ab)


SEASON
1969-2007

AVERAGE YEAR AVG AB OBA SLG
1 Chris Bando 1985 .139 173 .234 .173
2 Ken Henderson 1978 .175 166 .287 .307
3 John Wathan 1984 .181 171 .271 .269
4 Jim French 1969 .184 158 .348 .297
5 Cliff Johnson 1978 .184 174 .307 .351
6 Todd Pratt 2001 .185 173 .327 .301
7 Turner Ward 1993 .192 167 .287 .311
8 Rob Ducey 2000 .194 165 .318 .345
9 Howard Johnson 1995 .195 169 .330 .355
10 Tony Pena 1996 .195 174 .255 .236

cincinnati chili
10-01-2007, 12:46 AM
good find. He wasn't as bad as some of his critics said he was, but I sure don't miss him.

oneupper
10-01-2007, 06:57 AM
good find. He wasn't as bad as some of his critics said he was, but I sure don't miss him.

Maybe he wasn't then. But he sure is now.
$9.5 million can change a man, I guess.

LoganBuck
10-01-2007, 07:28 AM
Larue was always a peak and valley guy. Ice cold for two weeks and red hot for for four games. Then Ice cold. His overall numbers always looked better then they should have. I got into an argument on here over the decision to offer Larue and Jimenez arbitratrion one particular offseason, I think it was December 2004. I wanted to sell high, and not pay arbitration. But several shouted me down on the basis of VORP. I thought he was going to slide, but I never dreamed of anything this bad.

Falls City Beer
10-01-2007, 07:59 AM
Larue was a valuable catcher in MLB for a lot longer than most catchers. His career went downhill fast. That's not unusual for catchers.

dfs
10-01-2007, 08:10 AM
Larue was a valuable catcher in MLB for a lot longer than most catchers. His career went downhill fast. That's not unusual for catchers.
I was one of his biggest critics here, but I'll agree with this.

He was exactly the type of player that you discard some time during arbitration.

oneupper
10-01-2007, 08:26 AM
This is an interesting assessment.


Bell is so determined to prevent bad things from happening that he’s all too willing to give up good things.

If Bell is a risk-averse manager, I wouldn't want him anywhere near the REDS. Whoever is going to manage the team has to be willing to take some chances (young players...aggressive baseball...not much "small ball").

Narron tried so hard to save his job that he lost it.

Blitz Dorsey
10-03-2007, 12:40 PM
Let's be honest here. Remember that year in Chattanooga when LaRue hit .365? You think he might have been on some performance enhancers? I think he was a user then went cold turkey when he got the big contract (for him) and when MLB began to somewhat "crack down" and I use that term very loosly.

pedro
10-03-2007, 12:46 PM
Let's be honest here. Remember that guy who played through all those injuries at catcher for the Reds and took a lot of crap for his efforts? He got old quick, just like a lot of catchers.

I think accusing Jason Larue of taking steroids with no evidence at all is pretty pathetic.

Blitz Dorsey
10-03-2007, 12:48 PM
Let's be honest here. Remember that guy who played through all those injuries at catcher for the Reds and took a lot of crap for his efforts? He got old quick, just like a lot of catchers.

I think accusing Jason Larue of taking steroids with no evidence at all is pretty pathetic.

I think you questioning someone else's opinion is pathetic. If you don't agree, fine. When you get your head out of the sand I'll be here.

traderumor
10-03-2007, 12:50 PM
I think accusing Jason Larue of taking steroids with no evidence at all is pretty pathetic.He can thank his hundreds of fellow members of the MLBPA and thousands of minor leaguers for such accusations. You can pretty much leave an [insert name here] for such potshots.

BRM
10-03-2007, 12:54 PM
Let's be honest here. Remember that year in Chattanooga when LaRue hit .365? You think he might have been on some performance enhancers? I think he was a user then went cold turkey when he got the big contract (for him) and when MLB began to somewhat "crack down" and I use that term very loosly.

Well, if he was on them at all, he must have quit immediately following that 1998 season. He hit in the .250s the next 2 years in AAA and only hit over .250 twice in the majors, 2004 and 2005. So, I wouldn't think he would have been on them all along and quit after signing the "big" contract. He only had 1 big year in the minors (1998 in AA) and 1 pretty good one (1997 in A).

Personally, I don't believe he ever used but that's just my opinion.

pedro
10-03-2007, 12:55 PM
When you get your head out of the
sand I'll be here.

That's too bad.

westofyou
10-03-2007, 01:23 PM
Remember that year Gary Redus hit over .400 in Eugene?

Steroids

Jeff Jones in Billings 1982?

Steroids

Ross Barnes 1876?

Fair Foul rule.

pedro
10-03-2007, 01:29 PM
I'm pretty sure Led Zeppelin was on steroids when they wrote "Stairway to Heaven" too 'cause that song rox.

KronoRed
10-03-2007, 01:43 PM
I'm pretty sure Led Zeppelin was on steroids when they wrote "Stairway to Heaven" too 'cause that song rox.

7 minutes? come on..only juicers.

registerthis
10-03-2007, 02:11 PM
His overall numbers always looked better then they should have.


I'm sorry, but I have no idea what this means. Your numbers are your numbers, no matter how they were obtained. How can numbers look better than they should?

registerthis
10-03-2007, 02:13 PM
Ross Barnes 1876?

Fair Foul rule.

:laugh:

registerthis
10-03-2007, 02:14 PM
I'm pretty sure Led Zeppelin was on steroids when they wrote "Stairway to Heaven" too 'cause that song rox.

They were on something, but I don't think it was 'roids.

Sea Ray
10-03-2007, 02:49 PM
How did Roger Metzger's 1977 season miss that list of ineptitude? He hit .186 in 269 ABs.

Blitz Dorsey
10-03-2007, 05:30 PM
Next "Pedro" is going to tell me that Pete Rose Jr. wasn't on roids when he went from a below-average minor league hitter, to a 30+ HR guy overnight.

And Tony LaRussa has never known that any of his players were using.

pedro
10-03-2007, 06:06 PM
Next "Pedro" is going to tell me that Pete Rose Jr. wasn't on roids when he went from a below-average minor league hitter, to a 30+ HR guy overnight.

And Tony LaRussa has never known that any of his players were using.

No actually I'm going to ask you to save that stuff for mlb.com.

Boss-Hog
10-03-2007, 06:31 PM
Take the personal stuff private and get the topic back on course, please.

LINEDRIVER
10-03-2007, 07:14 PM
Remember that year Gary Redus hit over .400 in Eugene?

Steroids

Jeff Jones in Billings 1982?

Steroids

Ross Barnes 1876?

Fair Foul rule.

Let's not forget Danny Driessen's .409 BA while with the Indianapolis Indians in 1973.

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westofyou
10-03-2007, 09:03 PM
Let's not forget Danny Driessen's .409 BA while with the Indianapolis Indians in 1973.

.

He made his own steroids out of those plastic popsicle sticks you could build stuff with, Underoos and the stuff that made Mood Rings change colors... but don't tell anyone I told you that.