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Dan
10-01-2007, 07:19 AM
Not that it's worth bragging about, but I predicted 72-90 before the season (http://www.redszone.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1280754&postcount=145) started.

Does this look like a WS team in 2008? I actually think it's a fairly strong team if they get the right breaks. BTW, Cueto and Maloney aren't in the pen by mistake. They ought to be there next year to get them used to the bigs as part of their development. Then they can start in 2009. Problem is, they never will be put there as they're "starters."

Reds 2008:

2b Phillips
CF Hamilton
RF Griffey
3b Encarnacion
LF Dunn
1b Votto
SS Gonzalez
C Ross

SP Harang
SP Arroyo
SP Bailey
SP Livingston
SP Belisle

RP Burton
RP Coutlangus
RP Cueto
RP Maloney
RP Bray
CL Weathers

IF Hatteberg
IF Keppinger
IF/OF Freel
OF Hopper
IF/OF Cantu
C Valentin

Highlifeman21
10-01-2007, 08:37 AM
Dan, I was right there with ya.

I also had them at 72-90.

So did edabbs, redsfanmia, nmculbreth, cooper.

6 of us knew what was up with the 2007 club.

Here's to hoping they do something in the offseason to give me reason to predict more than 72 wins next year.

PuffyPig
10-01-2007, 08:39 AM
Isn't Livingston out for all of next year?

RedLegSuperStar
10-01-2007, 08:55 AM
Isn't Livingston out for all of next year?

That's what I thought

RedLegSuperStar
10-01-2007, 08:56 AM
With the Reds.. they will have at least 12 pitchers.. so the bench will only have 5 guys.

BuckeyeRedleg
10-01-2007, 09:51 AM
I had 74-88 which puts me in the ballpark. They were heading for 74 wins, until the last week (7 losses in a row). Just too many injuries to get those last two wins.

I know next year I see more than 74 wins, but I'm not sure how many more until I see what moves the make. I think things are definitely looking better.

RedsManRick
10-01-2007, 10:36 AM
PECOTA had the Reds at 71-91, which Nate Silver adjusted to 72-90 in his discussion of the predictions.

PECOTA's take....Silver's Adjustment... (reality)
CHI 85-77, 87-75 (85-77)
MIL 85-77, 83-79 (83-79)
STL 81-81, 81-81 (78-84)
HOU 80-82, 81-81 (73-89)
PIT 76-86, 74-88 (68-94)
CIN 71-91, 72-90 (72-90)

Not too shabby. I had us at 77. Was thinking we'd get a little more from Belisle, Coffey, and EE. Oh well. Here's to next year's run at .500!

edabbs44
10-01-2007, 10:52 PM
Dan, I was right there with ya.

I also had them at 72-90.

So did edabbs, redsfanmia, nmculbreth, cooper.

6 of us knew what was up with the 2007 club.

Here's to hoping they do something in the offseason to give me reason to predict more than 72 wins next year.

Me being right was pretty much the highlight of the year for me.

Here's to hoping that the FO does more than what they did last offseason.

God I hope I'm more optomistic in '08.

Blitz Dorsey
10-02-2007, 01:18 AM
Not that it's worth bragging about, but I predicted 72-90 before the season (http://www.redszone.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1280754&postcount=145) started.

Does this look like a WS team in 2008? I actually think it's a fairly strong team if they get the right breaks. BTW, Cueto and Maloney aren't in the pen by mistake. They ought to be there next year to get them used to the bigs as part of their development. Then they can start in 2009. Problem is, they never will be put there as they're "starters."

Reds 2008:

2b Phillips
CF Hamilton
RF Griffey
3b Encarnacion
LF Dunn
1b Votto
SS Gonzalez
C Ross

SP Harang
SP Arroyo
SP Bailey
SP Livingston
SP Belisle

RP Burton
RP Coutlangus
RP Cueto
RP Maloney
RP Bray
CL Weathers

IF Hatteberg
IF Keppinger
IF/OF Freel
OF Hopper
IF/OF Cantu
C Valentin

Insert a FA pitcher as the No. 2 or No. 3 man in our rotation (and somehow upgrade the bullpen) and we are in business (Harang, Arroyo, FA, Bailey, Belisle).

Blitz Dorsey
10-02-2007, 01:23 AM
I also like the thought of having a legit No. 4 OF like Hopper. If he needs to start for a few games if someone is banged up, we know he can get the job done. 2006 minor league batting champ. Then hits .330 in over 300 at-bats in the majors this year? Folks, he's not a fluke. He's not an everyday starter either, but he's a damn good No. 4 OF in my opinion.

I should have learned by now not to be so optimistic with me Reds. But I like the way the roster is shaping up for next year and I think we might be able to sneak ourselves into contention if we make some decent moves this offseason. Nothing crazy, just a couple moves that we will look back on as solid upgrades to the team.

Superdude
10-02-2007, 01:42 AM
I actually wouldn't mind seeing Cueto in the bullpen either. He already has a feel for three above average pitches, so it probably wouldn't stunt his development much if at all. IMO, it's the future starters who try and get their feet wet in the bullpen with only two pitches they trust that lose out on development. In order to get quick results, they temporarily scrap the third pitch. Biggest reason I didn't want Bailey in the pen a year or so ago. Plus, it'd just be fun to see how much gas he could throw in one or two inning stints. :cool: