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Chip R
10-04-2007, 05:35 PM
Kyle Lohse is in the game for the Phillies now. Phils are up 3-2 in the top of the 4th and the Rox have the bases loaded.

Reds Fanatic
10-04-2007, 05:36 PM
There is the Kyle Lohse we all remember. Grand slam by Matsui. 6-3 Rockies.

Chip R
10-04-2007, 05:37 PM
Looks like Bad Kyle showed up today.

Reds Fanatic
10-04-2007, 05:38 PM
I don't know if anyone saw Trent's article yesterday but Lohse is expected to get a contact of $50 million+ in free agency this offseason. Insanity.

Sea Ray
10-04-2007, 05:39 PM
Sounds like a carbon copy of his start in Seattle. Substitute Matsui for Ibanez

15fan
10-04-2007, 05:40 PM
Lohse doing a good job of imitating not only himself, but the Cincinnati bullpen as well.

Gasoline, meet lit match.

Matt700wlw
10-04-2007, 05:40 PM
I don't know if anyone saw Trent's article yesterday but Lohse is expected to get a contact of $50 million+ in free agency this offseason. Insanity.

That's just wrong.

guttle11
10-04-2007, 05:40 PM
Never, under ANY circumstances, should Kyle Lohse come out of the bullpen. Did Manuel not see him in Minnesota?

I'd take Coffey after a sprint than Kyle in that spot.

Chip R
10-04-2007, 05:41 PM
That's just wrong.

Unless it's for 50 years.

BRM
10-04-2007, 05:42 PM
Never, under ANY circumstances, should Kyle Lohse come out of the bullpen. Did Manuel not see him in Minnesota?

I'd take Coffey after a sprint than Kyle in that spot.

He had better numbers coming out of the pen than as a starter. He didn't log many innings out of the pen though.

15fan
10-04-2007, 05:42 PM
I don't know if anyone saw Trent's article yesterday but Lohse is expected to get a contact of $50 million+ in free agency this offseason. Insanity.

Please let that be with Pittsburgh, Houston, St. Louis, Chicago or Milwaukee.

Matt700wlw
10-04-2007, 05:45 PM
Please let that be with Pittsburgh, Houston, St. Louis, Chicago or Milwaukee.

"...and Kyle Lohse has pitched a perfect game, shutting out the Reds 4-0. Back in a moment..."

:)

NJReds
10-04-2007, 06:09 PM
Kyle Lohse, the gift that keeps on giving...

RFS62
10-04-2007, 06:15 PM
Loshe has stuff.

The Wrong Stuff

blumj
10-04-2007, 06:19 PM
How does Jose Mesa make a playoff roster? Good grief.

NJReds
10-04-2007, 06:21 PM
The Phillies ballpark makes GABP look like Chavez Ravine.

Matt700wlw
10-04-2007, 06:22 PM
The Phillies ballpark makes GABP look like Chavez Ravine.

Actually, the Phillies moved their fences BACK because it was so hitter friendly

Chip R
10-04-2007, 06:54 PM
How does Jose Mesa make a playoff roster? Good grief.


Veteran Presence.

M2
10-04-2007, 07:30 PM
The thing about Lohse is he's 28, in a contract push season and he's got a 4.62 ERA, 1.37 WHIP and .447 SLG against. If that's what a guy does in his prime during a season where he should be highly motivated then you've got to wonder what happens when you hand him three or four years for $6M+ a season.

I imagine the Phillies will find out.

Falls City Beer
10-04-2007, 08:18 PM
Wang getting bitten.

It's early, but my Kreskin act is kicking into high gear.

Falls City Beer
10-04-2007, 08:18 PM
The Phillies ballpark makes GABP look like Chavez Ravine.

I don't know if I'd go that far, but it is smaller than GABP.

M2
10-04-2007, 08:20 PM
So can the Phillies dig out of this hole?

Meanwhile, Kenny Lofton is making a case for him being able to play forever.

Cyclone792
10-04-2007, 09:41 PM
Sabathia did a good job getting out of the 5th inning while only allowing one run, but I'm not sure he'll have much to say about the rest of the game. The Yanks may be trailing by a run right now, but they've blown up Sabathia's pitch count to the tune of 114 pitches in only five innings of work. Sabathia's highest pitch count games this season are 119 pitches (happened twice).

Whether the Yanks win or lose this game, they've attacked Cleveland's ace pretty effectively. Take pitches, take walks, get guys on base, get that pitch count up, and get that ace out of the game as soon as possible.

OnBaseMachine
10-04-2007, 09:44 PM
So can the Phillies dig out of this hole?

Meanwhile, Kenny Lofton is making a case for him being able to play forever.

I think the Rockies have this one all but wrapped up. The Phillies may win game three but I definitely see the Rockies wrapping the series up in Coors Field. They are simply on fire. They are, what, 16-1 in their last 17 games? They couldn't have gotten hotter at a better time.

OnBaseMachine
10-04-2007, 09:47 PM
BTW, did anyone see that homerun Robinson Cano hit in the fourth inning tonight? That ball was one of the hardest hit balls I have ever seen. Coming off the bat I thought it was a line drive right at the RF but it just continued to carry. As I type this, Victor Martinez launches a 2-run HR. 6-3 Indians.

RFS62
10-04-2007, 09:53 PM
Wang missing his spots badly.

Cyclone792
10-04-2007, 09:54 PM
The best way to counter a team that's driving up your ace's pitch count is for your offense to pound the scoreboard themselves. Cleveland now leads 7-3 on an RBI single up the middle by Lofton.

BTW, anybody notice Derek Jeter's defense on Lofton's single? He reminded me of Felipe Lopez with the jump and range (or lack thereof). The ball was pretty much past Jeter before he was even able to take one step.

OnBaseMachine
10-04-2007, 10:01 PM
The Indians are busting this one open. Now 9-3 after a Casey Blake 2-run double. Though as potent as the Yankees offense is, don't count them out just yet.

blumj
10-04-2007, 10:02 PM
The best way to counter a team that's driving up your ace's pitch count is for your offense to pound the scoreboard themselves. Cleveland now leads 7-3 on an RBI single up the middle by Lofton.

BTW, anybody notice Derek Jeter's defense on Lofton's single? He reminded me of Felipe Lopez with the jump and range (or lack thereof). The ball was pretty much past Jeter before he was even able to take one step.

Past a diving Jeter. Wonderful phrase, isn't it?

RBA
10-04-2007, 10:09 PM
Is everyone else getting the games in glorious High Definition?

Reds Fanatic
10-04-2007, 10:16 PM
Is everyone else getting the games in glorious High Definition?
Yes really glad the cable company added TBS-HD yesterday.

OnBaseMachine
10-04-2007, 10:18 PM
Rafael Perez is filthy. My hope is Pedro Viola turns into our own version of Rafael Perez next year.

RBA
10-04-2007, 10:18 PM
Ha, just seen Lebron James with a Yankee cap on. Oops.

blumj
10-04-2007, 10:18 PM
Is it really still unusual to let good hitters swing on 3-0? Doesn't everyone do that?

37red
10-04-2007, 10:27 PM
No HD here, but I am happy that the Yanks are loosing. Anytime the NY are loosing I'm happy. Same with the Dallas Cowboys.

Reds Fanatic
10-04-2007, 10:29 PM
4 RBIs for Lofton tonight. Indians continue to pound the Yankees 11 runs on 13 hits and still batting in the 6th.

Cyclone792
10-04-2007, 10:37 PM
Is it really still unusual to let good hitters swing on 3-0? Doesn't everyone do that?

There were 9,466 plate appearances in MLB this season that went to a 3-0 count at any point during the plate appearance. Balls were only put in play in 245 of those plate appearances, or 2.6 percent of all plate appearances that were 3-0 at any point (that doesn't include 3-0 swings-and-misses or 3-0 foul balls, of which I have no idea how many of those there were).

blumj
10-04-2007, 10:55 PM
There were 9,466 plate appearances in MLB this season that went to a 3-0 count at any point during the plate appearance. Balls were only put in play in 245 of those plate appearances, or 2.6 percent of all plate appearances that were 3-0 at any point (that doesn't include 3-0 swings-and-misses or 3-0 foul balls, of which I have no idea how many of those there were).

There's no way to know how many hitters had the green light to swing on 3-0 but chose not to. I don't know, you always hear announcers comment on it like it's very unusual, but, if it's so unusual, you wouldn't hear them say it so often.

Cyclone792
10-04-2007, 10:59 PM
There's no way to know how many hitters had the green light to swing on 3-0 but chose not to. I don't know, you always hear announcers comment on it like it's very unusual, but, if it's so unusual, you wouldn't hear them say it so often.

My guess is most all good to great hitters have the green light to swing on a 3-0 pitch during the vast majority of PAs. It's just those hitters look for a pitch in such a small part of the strike zone that they'll rarely swing ... unless of course the pitch is in that part of the zone zone, or [rarely] if they get fooled on a 3-0 pitch.

Unassisted
10-04-2007, 11:03 PM
This Indians team looks like a real juggernaut. I wouldn't want to be a Yankee fan tonight.

OnBaseMachine
10-04-2007, 11:23 PM
A lot of people will probably disagree with me on this, but I think Chip Carey is a pretty good announcer. I thought he was annoying when he was with the Cubs but he seems like he's improved a ton since moving over to TBS.

Indians win 12-3.

OnBaseMachine
10-05-2007, 12:08 AM
Cubs scored two in the second to take a 2-0 lead but the D-Backs have answered in the bottom of the second inning with a Chris Young 3-run HR and Eric Byrnes RBI triple. 4-2 D-Backs and they are still batting in the second.

Reds Fanatic
10-05-2007, 12:48 AM
Drew triples in 2 runs and the Dbacks are now up 6-2 on the Cubs in the 4th.

CTA513
10-05-2007, 12:48 AM
Cubs are losing 6-2 in the 4th inning.

WVRedsFan
10-05-2007, 02:53 AM
Cubs are losing 6-2 in the 4th inning.
There is joy in Mudville as the last batter strikes out. Cubbies lose 8-4.

Happy, Happy, Joy, Joy.

Falls City Beer
10-05-2007, 12:09 PM
Loshe has stuff.

The Wrong Stuff

Seriously. He is the hollow man. He is the Tomko man.

NJReds
10-05-2007, 12:12 PM
I don't know if I'd go that far, but it is smaller than GABP.

It seems like every popup goes into the second row.

NJReds
10-05-2007, 12:14 PM
The network execs aren't didn't get much sleep last night. Their dream of a Cubs v. Red Sox/Yankees World Series is turning into nightmares of a Cleveland-Arizona/Colorado World Series.

KronoRed
10-05-2007, 02:01 PM
The network execs aren't didn't get much sleep last night. Their dreams of a Cubs v. Red Sox/Yankees is turning into nightmares of a Cleveland-Arizona/Colorado World Series.

Excellent.

Chip R
10-05-2007, 02:47 PM
Jayson Stark says that every time the Yankees have lost the first game in the divisional series - and this may be in the ALCS too - that they have won that series. They ain't dead yet.

Falls City Beer
10-05-2007, 03:04 PM
Jayson Stark says that every time the Yankees have lost the first game in the divisional series - and this may be in the ALCS too - that they have won that series. They ain't dead yet.

You may be right, but there's not a thing scary about Clemens anymore.

Pettitte will probably be able to keep them down tonight, but I fully expect the Indians to pummel Clemens. And really, the Yankees' bullpen is pretty much a shell.

Chip R
10-05-2007, 03:51 PM
You may be right, but there's not a thing scary about Clemens anymore.

Pettitte will probably be able to keep them down tonight, but I fully expect the Indians to pummel Clemens. And really, the Yankees' bullpen is pretty much a shell.


Only his rep and that can be enough in some cases. CLE has a lot of youngsters on that team and while they may or may not have handled Clemens in the regular season, the playoffs are a different animal entirely. Especially in Yankee Stadium with 50K fans roaring. But Clemens has had an uneven post-season history much like Greg Maddux.

blumj
10-05-2007, 04:04 PM
You may be right, but there's not a thing scary about Clemens anymore.

Pettitte will probably be able to keep them down tonight, but I fully expect the Indians to pummel Clemens. And really, the Yankees' bullpen is pretty much a shell.
I'd imagine the Yankees can pummel Westbrook and Byrd, too, though. And Borowski.

Falls City Beer
10-05-2007, 04:19 PM
I'd imagine the Yankees can pummel Westbrook and Byrd, too, though. And Borowski.

Maybe. But then the Indians' pen is the tiebreaker; it's much better than the Yankees', even with Borowski.

Chip R
10-05-2007, 04:24 PM
Maybe. But then the Indians' pen is the tiebreaker; it's much better than the Yankees', even with Borowski.

Indians pen better than the Yankees? Please give me whatever you are smoking.

dabvu2498
10-05-2007, 04:28 PM
Indians pen better than the Yankees? Please give me whatever you are smoking.

I'm surprised by these numbers:

CLE bullpen: 3.73 ERA
NYY bullpen: 4.35 ERA

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/stats/aggregate?sort=ERA&split=128&group=7&season=2007&seasonType=2&statType=pitching&type=reg

Even further:


CLE bullpen: .707 OPSA
NYY bullpen: .738 OPSA

CLE: 14 Blown saves
NYY: 21

blumj
10-05-2007, 04:37 PM
Maybe. But then the Indians' pen is the tiebreaker; it's much better than the Yankees', even with Borowski.
Only if they have to fill more than 3 innings. I take Joba and Rivera against the Indians offense over any possible combination of Indians relievers that includes Borowski pitching against the Yankees offense. If I thought Wedge would stay away from Borowski in a close game, it would be a different story, but I don't think we can expect that.

Oh, yeah, the Yankees pen has been full of junk all season, and to an extent, it still is. But the top 2 can be as good as anyone's. In a short series, they might be able to stay away from the junk when they have to. Plus, you never know when "good" Farnsworth and Vizcaino will show up.

Chip R
10-05-2007, 04:38 PM
I'm surprised by these numbers:

CLE bullpen: 3.73 ERA
NYY bullpen: 4.35 ERA

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/stats/aggregate?sort=ERA&split=128&group=7&season=2007&seasonType=2&statType=pitching&type=reg

Even further:


CLE bullpen: .707 OPSA
NYY bullpen: .738 OPSA

CLE: 14 Blown saves
NYY: 21

That may be but I'd rather face Borkowski and whomever else is in there instead of Joba and Rivera.

Falls City Beer
10-05-2007, 04:38 PM
I'm surprised by these numbers:

CLE bullpen: 3.73 ERA
NYY bullpen: 4.35 ERA

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/stats/aggregate?sort=ERA&split=128&group=7&season=2007&seasonType=2&statType=pitching&type=reg

Even further:


CLE bullpen: .707 OPSA
NYY bullpen: .738 OPSA

CLE: 14 Blown saves
NYY: 21

The perception is that it's Borowski vs. Rivera, but really it's killers like Betancourt and Perez that do the heavy lifting of destroying late rallies.