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WMR
10-09-2007, 03:18 PM
I have HBO and Showtime, and I've got to say, Showtime is currently FAR surpassing HBO in terms of their original dramatic programming...

Showtime Has:
"Californication" -- Awesome, funny, edgy show starring David Duchovny. Very very good.

"Weeds" -- Some people really love it... I find it just so-so.

"Brotherhood" -- AWESOME. In its 2nd season, truly has the potential to be Sopranos-esque.

"Dexter" -- My new favorite show. A police forensic scientist who is also a serial killer? This show is unlike anything I've seen before and has a great sense of humor about itself while still being a serious drama...

HBO Has:
"Tell Me You Love Me" ... I've watched every episode so far... not because it is some great show... it has managed to keep me interested, however. Deals with four couples in various stages of their lives... probably the biggest storyline right now is one of the couple's struggle to get pregnant through artificial insemination... not exactly edge of your seat type stuff. :laugh:

"Curb Your Enthusiasm" -- Probably my 2nd favorite show. Larry David is a comedic genius and this season has been great so far... Curb is the one thing keeping HBO on the map right now, in my opinion.

What is really hurting HBO right now is their shows that are on hiatus... Entourage is good and The Wire is another one of my favorite shows.

John From Cincinnati? Cancelled after one season...

Is HBO still the king? Maybe they are, but Showtime has done an amazing job of closing the gap and, for right now anyway, Showtime is the channel that I would keep if I was forced to choose between the two, and it isn't even all that close.

westofyou
10-09-2007, 03:22 PM
HBO = Bruce Springsteen

Showtime = Bob Seger

Cinemax = John Cafferty and the Beaver Brown Band

WMR
10-09-2007, 03:24 PM
Skinamax = The Pus*ycat Dolls

pedro
10-09-2007, 03:35 PM
I don't have Showtime but I watched the first 9 episodes of Dexter and I liked it a lot.

RBA
10-09-2007, 03:48 PM
SHO also has the Tudors. I enjoyed the first season.

WMR
10-09-2007, 03:58 PM
SHO also has the Tudors. I enjoyed the first season.

Good call! That one slipped my mind. Great show. Rhys-Meyers is a great actor.

Unassisted
10-09-2007, 04:03 PM
At our house, we refuse to pay for digital cable, which means we can subscribe to no pay channels. We knew from past experience that we liked some of the shows on HBO, so we just wait for the pay networks' shows to come out on DVD and add them to the Netflix queue.

We watched all of the seasons of Six Feet Under and Oz with that method. Now we've enjoyed the first season of Big Love. Since its second season hasn't been released on disc yet, we're sampling Deadwood (didn't like it, stopped after episode 2), Weeds, Entourage, Extras, Dexter, The Wire and Rome (haven't made their way to the top of the queue yet).

I don't pay much attention to which network these shows originate from.

westofyou
10-09-2007, 04:05 PM
Deadwood (didn't like it, stopped after episode 2)

Whoa... it gets sooooooo much better.

Unassisted
10-09-2007, 04:19 PM
Whoa... it gets sooooooo much better.

I know that a lot of people here liked Deadwood and since I've liked other David Milch projects, I went in expecting to like it. From reviews I've read, most people who don't like it complain about the language. That didn't bother us. We just didn't like any of the characters and didn't find the stories in those 2 episodes very compelling.

cumberlandreds
10-10-2007, 11:43 AM
DISH is offering three months free Showtime and I signed up for it. So far I have been unimpressed. I watched a couple of episodes of Calfornification and Weeds and didn't care for them. I thouhgt they were hard to follow but that may just be me. I'm not much of a movie person either so I will probably drop Showtime at the end of my free time.

Blimpie
10-10-2007, 12:59 PM
Looking at past bodies of work, HBO has been fairly consistent over the years. Personally, I have much love for:

Extras
Hard Knocks (NFL Training Camp documentaries)
Carnivale
Rome
Family Bonds

Caveat Emperor
10-10-2007, 02:40 PM
"Brotherhood" might be the best show on television right now -- its truly compelling with great acting as well.

westofyou
10-10-2007, 02:53 PM
"Brotherhood" might be the best show on television right now -- its truly compelling with great acting as well.

Better then Moral Orel?

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RFS62
10-10-2007, 03:41 PM
Better then Moral Orel?

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Oh, Davey


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MrsHammer
10-10-2007, 05:46 PM
Showtime Has:
"Californication" -- Awesome, funny, edgy show starring David Duchovny. Very very good.




David Duchovny...umm...yummy! :devil: I've read good reviews of "Californication". We no longer subscribe to Showtime, so I haven't actually seen it. That is probably a good thing, though, because I know that show is rather racy and somehow I think if I saw it, I'd never be able to see Duchovny as Fox Mulder in the same way again. Speaking of which, I've heard rumors of a new X-Files movie finally happening for 2008. That has been in the works but on hold for years now. Duchovny was also part of a Showtime series called "Red Shoe Diaries" that aired in the early-mid 90's.

As if you can't tell by now, I am a sci-fi chick :alien:, and one of my all-time favorite shows originated on Showtime back in the 90's, Stargate SG-1. It began as a Showtime original series, but eventually moved to the Sci Fi Channel and on to syndication before ending it's 10 yr run this year. Showtime also had a new version of the Outer Limits for a while, but it wasn't quite as good in my opinion.

Heath
10-10-2007, 06:15 PM
I've had cable for more than 20 years and I've never paid for a dime for No-Time, Home Box Optional, and Skinemax. :D

Now, I don't like movies all that much, so I'm not the person to be asking about it.

vaticanplum
10-10-2007, 09:20 PM
I got Showtime free with my cable last month, and I have to say I am nuts about Californication. I thought I would hate it, but it's very sharp and surprisingly touching at times. Fantastic acting all around, Duchovny is great but so is the woman who plays his ex. I think my Showtime only lasts six months, and god help me if they drag me into paying for it because of 23 minutes a week.

Of course, the other shows I've been watching since I got cable include, but are not limited to, What Not to Wear and America's Next Top Model, so my taste must be taken with a grain of salt, so to speak.

WMR
10-10-2007, 09:26 PM
Actually, VP, it is much closer to 30 minutes a week. One of the beauties of tv shows on Premium Cable, no commercial breaks. Most "half-hour" shows average between 27-29 mins.

vaticanplum
10-10-2007, 09:38 PM
Actually, VP, it is much closer to 30 minutes a week. One of the beauties of tv shows on Premium Cable, no commercial breaks. Most "half-hour" shows average between 27-29 mins.

Validation!

George Foster
10-11-2007, 12:22 AM
I like FX. Nip Tuck and The Shild is the bomb. Rescue me ain't bad either.:thumbup:

jmcclain19
10-11-2007, 04:26 AM
I canceled my Showtime once Tudors ended its season. That was really the only reason I kept it as long as I did. I'll re-up again when it starts up then cancel when it's over.

Weeds & Californication just didn't do it for me - and Showtime always seemed to have subpar movies compared to HBO. I don't really miss it. Take the 12 bucks a month and get a Netflix subscription.

MrsHammer
10-11-2007, 10:20 AM
- and Showtime always seemed to have subpar movies compared to HBO. I don't really miss it. Take the 12 bucks a month and get a Netflix subscription.


I totally agree with your quote about Showtime having subpar movies vs the other movie channels. That is exactly why we cancelled our subscription. It was costing us $12 a month and we never watched it. I find that HBO and Starz have the bigger name movies. We dropped The Movie Channel and Cinemax for the same reason. Plus, we have a 16mnth old daughter and I think those of you with small children know how hard it is to watch an entire movie without having to pause it 500 times...haha. I swear it took us 4 hours to watch a 90 minute movie one Saturday afternoon.

I must add, too, that we very rarely watch a movie (or regular TV show for that matter) that is actually being broadcast at that moment. We utilize the 'On Demand' feature or DVR most of the things that we watch.

Now, I just wish Insight would expand their HD lineup.

Redsfaithful
10-11-2007, 10:16 PM
HBO is pretty terrible now. I canceled it, will pick it back up when The Wire starts up again. Really still annoyed that they let Deadwood go for John From Cincinnati. The only thing HBO even has in the pipeline that I'm interested in is this:

http://www.variety.com/article/VR1117957532.html?categoryid=1236&cs=1&p=0

And knowing them they'll probably cancel it after book two or three instead of carrying it through to the end. I am still in shock that they actually gave The Wire a fifth season, but I'm pretty thankful that they did since I really believe it's the best show in the history of television.

westofyou
10-12-2007, 11:22 AM
Really still annoyed that they let Deadwood go for John From Cincinnati.

Actually they had no choice, the writer was the same guy and he was threatening to take his projects elsewhere and IIRC he didn't want to continue with DW.

At the time he had "Hand"

Now he doesn't, that's for sure.

Roy Tucker
10-12-2007, 12:07 PM
Of course, the other shows I've been watching since I got cable include, but are not limited to, What Not to Wear and America's Next Top Model, so my taste must be taken with a grain of salt, so to speak.

Come over to my house and you can watch those shows with my daughters. Along with "The Hills".

:explode:

vaticanplum
10-12-2007, 12:56 PM
Come over to my house and you can watch those shows with my daughters. Along with "The Hills".

:explode:

Ok. Let me say one thing: America's Next Top Model is brilliantly edited. I really do think that editing is the most interesting and toughest part of reality TV. If you think of how much true crap the editors of that show have to sort through, and how well they end up putting across the personalities and the moments that they need to, it's really incredibly well-done. So well-done that it draws me into something that I find inherently uninteresting. Wife Swap is another one, it's fantastically edited, to the point where sometimes this ridiculous concept is borderline emotional. It's got a really cheeky element to it. (yeah, forgot to mention, I watch Wife Swap too. As recently as six months ago I didn't watch any TV at all, and Wife Swap started it all.)

What Not to Wear is not particularly well edited. It's just funny.

Now, all of this is still rationalization for watching American's Next Freaking Top Model, but it doesn't make the actual rationalization any less valid.

So your daughters are being drawn in for a reason, probably a reason of which they're not even totally aware. i can't speak for the Hills though, I have no idea what it is (although the way I'm going, whatever it is I'd probably love it).

Please do not let any of what I have just said dissuade any of you from watching Californication. It's well edited too, but it also has some other tricky stuff, like plot and character and wit.

Roy Tucker
10-12-2007, 02:06 PM
Ok. Let me say one thing: America's Next Top Model is brilliantly edited. I really do think that editing is the most interesting and toughest part of reality TV. If you think of how much true crap the editors of that show have to sort through, and how well they end up putting across the personalities and the moments that they need to, it's really incredibly well-done. So well-done that it draws me into something that I find inherently uninteresting. Wife Swap is another one, it's fantastically edited, to the point where sometimes this ridiculous concept is borderline emotional. It's got a really cheeky element to it. (yeah, forgot to mention, I watch Wife Swap too. As recently as six months ago I didn't watch any TV at all, and Wife Swap started it all.)

What Not to Wear is not particularly well edited. It's just funny.

Now, all of this is still rationalization for watching American's Next Freaking Top Model, but it doesn't make the actual rationalization any less valid.

So your daughters are being drawn in for a reason, probably a reason of which they're not even totally aware. i can't speak for the Hills though, I have no idea what it is (although the way I'm going, whatever it is I'd probably love it).

Please do not let any of what I have just said dissuade any of you from watching Californication. It's well edited too, but it also has some other tricky stuff, like plot and character and wit.

Why yes, that's what I watch those shows for, the editing.

I watch Wife Swap too. It's gotten a little over the top though.

My girls went to the Kenwood Mall to hear Clinton whatshisface talk. They love him.

As far as I can tell, "The Hills" is about mindless Hollywood angst, ennui, and drama experienced by beautiful and hot but vacant apparently rich but who knows how club goers and drivers of hot cars having little hissy fits about boyfriends and girlfriends.

But then, I can't complain much. I watched a replay of a Pacers-Knicks playoff game from 1995 the other night. Talk about vacant.

vaticanplum
10-12-2007, 02:59 PM
Why yes, that's what I watch those shows for, the editing.

Well, and the shoes. Duh.

Razor Shines
10-28-2007, 03:30 AM
I'd read this thread before and hadn't really thought much about it until I was watching some episodes of Flight of the Concords (New Zealand's 4th most popular digi-folk paradists) and while it's not a dramatic series it's well worth the price of HBO it's self. Is anyone else as big of a fan of I am?

WMR
10-28-2007, 03:39 AM
I'd read this thread before and hadn't really thought much about it until I was watching some episodes of Flight of the Concords (New Zealand's 4th most popular digi-folk paradists) and while it's not a dramatic series it's well worth the price of HBO it's self. Is anyone else as big of a fan of I am?

Yes. That show is awesome, Razor. Incredibly funny. And the videos are never boring; always entertaining.

WebScorpion
10-29-2007, 01:13 PM
There may be some merit to your thought there. I only regularly make time to watch two shows. Heroes, which I am slowly but surely kicking the habit (the whole Hiro, Englishman, Ancient Hot Chick triangle is helping me lose interest) and Dexter. I think DirecTV is doing some kind of free Showtime too...I've been getting it for 2 months and it doesn't appear on my bill. :D But in that short time I've really become attached to that show. The whole 'even if you are basically evil you can still find a way to become a useful member of society' thing appeals to me for some reason. Really cool idea for a show, I just wouldn't want my kids watching it. All other shows I just watch whatever looks best at the moment I'm in front of the TV prepared to burn some time relaxing. You know, Extreme Engineering, Good Eats, Wheel of Fortune, any sporting event, Dog Whisperer, News, old Seinfeld episodes, etc. Even CNN had something called 'Planet in Peril' on the other day, so everybody's getting in on the act...I thought they did quick news stories?? :confused: So yes, I watch more Showtime original programming than HBO. :thumbup: