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MWM
10-13-2007, 10:46 PM
I love it. The BCS is going to be a mess again this year. I've been saying all along that Ohio State just isn't that good. And today's game agains Kent has no bearing at all in my assessment of them, but they've looked better this year than I ever thought they would. While I still don't think they're a great team, they're much better than I thought they would be, and I think they're much better than most people are giving them credit for now. That defense might be the best in the country. They're ridiculously good. But I think last year's title game is too fresh in the memories of college football fans for them to think the Buckeyes are legtimately good. I still think they'll lose at some point, but it's entirely possible they'll run the table.

Redsfaithful
10-13-2007, 10:50 PM
I love it. The BCS is going to be a mess again this year. I've been saying all along that Ohio State just isn't that good. And today's game agains Kent has no bearing at all in my assessment of them, but they've looked better this year than I ever thought they would. While I still don't think they're a great team, they're much better than I thought they would be, and I think they're much better than most people are giving them credit for now. That defense might be the best in the country. They're ridiculously good. But I think last year's title game is too fresh in the memories of college football fans for them to think the Buckeyes are legtimately good. I still think they'll lose at some point, but it's entirely possible they'll run the table.

Yeah I agree with you on all counts, I'm just glad it's all in their hands now. Win out and they get a shot, lose and they don't, I can't ask for more than that.

Lot of tough games ahead, Penn State and Michigan will both be tough. Not sure about Wisconsin, I am really surprised at how bad they have been.

The odds are getting better and better that we're going to see someone really weird like Boston College or South Florida in the national title game. If they both lose then it'll be chaos, tons of one loss teams.

OnBaseMachine
10-13-2007, 10:51 PM
I love it. The BCS is going to be a mess again this year. I've been saying all along that Ohio State just isn't that good. And today's game agains Kent has no bearing at all in my assessment of them, but they've looked better this year than I ever thought they would. While I still don't think they're a great team, they're much better than I thought they would be, and I think they're much better than most people are giving them credit for now. That defense might be the best in the country. They're ridiculously good. But I think last year's title game is too fresh in the memories of college football fans for them to think the Buckeyes are legtimately good. I still think they'll lose at some point, but it's entirely possible they'll run the table.

I think OSU is a very good team, however, I think Michigan will beat them. That's just how it's been this year. The unthinkable has happened over and over and over.

OnBaseMachine
10-13-2007, 10:59 PM
I was thinking that Oregon has a chance to get back in the NC race but then I just read that their stud RB Johnson is out for the year along with Cameron Colvin who is one of their top receivers. This coming a week after their #2 receiver Brian Paysinger went down for the year. They have impressed me just as much as anyone in the country, however, they are now lacking depth at key offensive positions.

MWM
10-13-2007, 11:26 PM
I think OSU is a very good team, however, I think Michigan will beat them. That's just how it's been this year. The unthinkable has happened over and over and over.

Yeah, I have a feeling this is the year they lose to Michigan as well. It will be this senior class' last chance to beat OSU which they have yet to do. And I think everyone will know it's Lloyd Carr's last regular season coaching game.

I think it will all come down to Mike Hart. He's tough to stop any time, but when he's got a chip on his shoulder, which he'll have that game, he takes it to another level. He's a special football player.

The fact that it's being played in Michigan this year gives them the edge.

OnBaseMachine
10-13-2007, 11:32 PM
Bad day to be a football player out west. USC lost Sam Baker and Rey Maulauga to injuries. Oregon lost two key players and now ASU just lost their best player to an ankle injury as he leaves on crutches.

USC has lost 3/5th's of it's starting Oline and the other two are banged up.

Javy Pornstache
10-13-2007, 11:51 PM
BTW, with Cincinnati's loss, we are now down to just five undefeated teams left. Ohio State, Boston College, South Florida, Arizona State, and Hawaii.

Not to pick nits, but there's actually still six, I believe... Kansas also is unbeaten. But you might be right in a little bit, last I saw, Arizona State was trailing Washington 17-10, but there was plenty of time left - but it might be five yet. Six at the most.

lol @ California's QB, Riley. I feel bad for him, but jeez... terrible.

Last and certainly not least, regarding UK.... :D That's about all I can do. I'm glad I have it recorded.

OnBaseMachine
10-13-2007, 11:56 PM
Apparently Pac-10 QB's are playing drunk tonight because Rudy Carpenter of ASU just pulled the same stunt that Riley did - only Carpenter did it right before halftime.

LoganBuck
10-14-2007, 12:02 AM
Yeah, I have a feeling this is the year they lose to Michigan as well. It will be this senior class' last chance to beat OSU which they have yet to do. And I think everyone will know it's Lloyd Carr's last regular season coaching game.

I think it will all come down to Mike Hart. He's tough to stop any time, but when he's got a chip on his shoulder, which he'll have that game, he takes it to another level. He's a special football player.

The fact that it's being played in Michigan this year gives them the edge.

While I think Michigan is being ignored in the media because of their early disasters, I don't know if I would go that far. I think it is safe to say that Purdue isn't very good. Had Boeckman, not thrown those three long interceptions, I think Ohio State would have put up at least another 10-14 points against them at home, at night. Northwestern gave Michigan all sorts of problems until they imploded. They had problems last week, against (insert direction) Michigan. I don't think Michigan has gotten past their demons, they just aren't looking around dark corners.

Mike Hart will have more to give than he had last year, with a national championship chance in the balance?

I don't know if it matters where Michigan plays Ohio State. Tressel has shown he can win in AA, and that game could be for all the marbles again, and Ohio State has veteran leadership on defense.

Ohio State is going to have more problems with Penn State, imo. They can play defense, and they probably will decide to actually use their receivers that game, something JoePa occasionally forgets. Michigan State can score points as well. It will be interesting to see what Ohio State can do against teams that can actually fight back, even if they are flawed.

traderumor
10-14-2007, 02:27 PM
Yeah, I have a feeling this is the year they lose to Michigan as well. It will be this senior class' last chance to beat OSU which they have yet to do. And I think everyone will know it's Lloyd Carr's last regular season coaching game.

I think it will all come down to Mike Hart. He's tough to stop any time, but when he's got a chip on his shoulder, which he'll have that game, he takes it to another level. He's a special football player.

The fact that it's being played in Michigan this year gives them the edge.That is, if Mike Hart can stay on the field.

OnBaseMachine
10-14-2007, 03:45 PM
The way the guys on Fox talked earlier, the #1 spot in the BCS is going to be a shocker went it is revealed later today.

Heath
10-14-2007, 03:48 PM
The way the guys on Fox talked earlier, the #1 spot in the BCS is going to be a shocker went it is revealed later today.

It could be Boston College.

OnBaseMachine
10-14-2007, 04:33 PM
Off the top of my head:

OSU is #1. South Florida is 2. BC is three. LSU is 4. Arizona State is 8. Oregon is 10. USC 14.

GoReds33
10-14-2007, 04:38 PM
I think that UK could very well be in the top two. Maybe number one. I think the national title game could very well be a Ohio and Kentucky showdown.

Reds Fanatic
10-14-2007, 04:58 PM
Here are the first BCS rankings of the year:


BCS Standings
Rk Team W-L BCS Avg
1 Ohio State 7-0 .942
2 South Florida 6-0 .920
3 Boston College 7-0 .891
4 LSU 6-1 .840
5 Oklahoma 6-1 .762
6 South Carolina 6-1 .743
7 Kentucky 6-1 .683
8 Arizona State 7-0 .683
9 West Virginia 5-1 .662
10 Oregon 5-1 .637
11 Virginia Tech 6-1 .630
12 California 5-1 .600
13 Kansas 6-0 .517
14 USC 5-1 .472
15 Florida 4-2 .435
16 Missouri 5-1 .382
17 Auburn 5-2 .337
18 Hawaii 7-0 .284
19 Virginia 6-1 .229
20 Georgia 5-2 .224
21 Tennessee 4-2 .195
22 Texas 5-2 18 786 .180
23 Cincinnati 6-1 .119
24 Texas Tech 6-1 21 .105
25 Michigan 5-2 .078

Caveat Emperor
10-14-2007, 05:19 PM
South Florida at #2 in the nation.

Wow.

Degenerate39
10-14-2007, 06:06 PM
South Florida at #2 in the nation.

Wow.

Who saw that one coming

paintmered
10-14-2007, 09:11 PM
South Florida at #2 in the nation.

Wow.

I saw them as the #2 team in Florida.

Boston Red
10-14-2007, 10:18 PM
I saw them as the #2 team in Florida.

Auburn disagrees

BuckeyeRedleg
10-14-2007, 10:23 PM
MWM. Name me the teams that are better than OSU.

If you can convince me of 15-20 teams, I will concede that OSU is probably not that good.

MWM
10-14-2007, 10:56 PM
MWM. Name me the teams that are better than OSU.

If you can convince me of 15-20 teams, I will concede that OSU is probably not that good.

Who said 15-20 teams? Not me. I don't know who's better. Relatvie to this year, they're probably as good as just about anyone. But relative to most years, they're not a great team. Sometimes the year picks you (see 2002).

Right now, if you could put teams on a neutral site, there's not a clear best team. Ohio State is as deserving as the next team. I think they'd struggle to beat USC, LSU, Florida, or Oregon. I think they're capable of beating any of those teams, but I also think they're capable of beaten by any of those teams as well.

BuckeyeRedleg
10-14-2007, 11:06 PM
I love it. The BCS is going to be a mess again this year. I've been saying all along that Ohio State just isn't that good.

I'm just responding to you thinking that Ohio State "just isn't that good."

Caveat Emperor
10-14-2007, 11:10 PM
MWM. Name me the teams that are better than OSU.

If you can convince me of 15-20 teams, I will concede that OSU is probably not that good.

South Florida
Oregon
LSU
Kentucky
Oklahoma
Boston College
Florida
South Carolina

I'd take all of those teams straight-up in a game vs. OSU at a neutral site.

MWM
10-14-2007, 11:12 PM
I'm just responding to you thinking that Ohio State "just isn't that good."

That might have been an exaggeration. I think they're pretty good and better than most give them credit for. But National Champion good? Probably not in most years. But hey, the 2002 team didn't seem that good either. Heck, I think this year's team is probably better than that squad.

Maybe I'm just having a hard time getting past my impression of them coming into this season and in the first couple of games.

MWM
10-14-2007, 11:18 PM
South Florida
Oregon
LSU
Kentucky
Oklahoma
Boston College
Florida
South Carolina

I'd take all of those teams straight-up in a game vs. OSU at a neutral site.


I don't think South Carolina or Oklahoma have enough offense to move the ball on the Buckeyes. And Boston College is fool's gold. That's the one team on your list I think OSU would beat handily.

The teams that could beat OSU have to have to be pretty balanced. You can't be really good one side of the football, but weak on the other. OSU's offense is pretty good, but not great. The defense is pretty awesome. So you better have a damn good defense, and the offense better be able to score on anyone.

I's add USC to your list. They're better than they've played the past couple of weeks. They're a team that matched up well against the Buckeyes and I think they'd win on a neutral site if both teams are healthy.

Kentucky, I know they beat LSU and all, but I just don't see it. I think it would be close, but I think the Bucks win that one. But it's not a no-brainer, either.

LSU, Florida, and Oregon I agree with you, although I think Tim Tebow is VERY over-rated as a total QB.

Cedric
10-15-2007, 12:39 AM
Ohio State is a much better team than last year, IMO. I've seen them live three times already and they have only one small weakness. They don't get a major push up the middle with Cordle/Person.
Tressel can now rely on true depth at the SE and FL position. He also will never trust anyone like he did Troy again. Nobody thought he would come in 25 lbs overweight and 12 step drop us out of rhythm and the game basically.

Their defense is light years ahead of last years team. Brandon Mitchell and Jamario O'neal forced Heacock into a very conservative strategy last year, that worked in a somewhat weak Big Ten. This year they have two of the best safeties in CFB and with Chekwa playing so well they basically have 5 DB's on the field on most downs.
I'm just gonna enjoy the ragging Ohio State gets for the next few months about their competition. People are going to assume this Ohio State team is just like last years over hyped team. They are clearly better on defense and also Tressel is gonna treat the big games like he used to. His playcalling will be much more efficient and he has better depth to work with. This is also the fastest team Ohio State has ever had and every year it's getting faster. There isn't a team in America that has more overall speed than OSU and just like 02 Tressel is gonna prove it. It's gonna be a fun ride.

They also have a HUGE chip on their shoulder. I really don't think people understand the talent level at Ohio State. It gets better every year. With this years recruiting class it's going to get scary.

WMR
10-15-2007, 12:47 AM
Florida and LSU have just as much, if not more, team speed as OSU.

Cedric
10-15-2007, 12:53 AM
Florida and LSU have just as much, if not more, team speed as OSU.

It's impossible to measure. It's probably a wash like I said. The legit championship programs aren't getting by with slow players anymore. Doesn't happen.

The 02 Ohio State defense had 11 NFL players and people still refused to admit that Ohio State could possibly be as fast as other schools.

NFL teams don't draft slow players. And Ohio State produces NFL talent better than both LSU and Florida.

WMR
10-15-2007, 12:55 AM
Want to hear a crazy stat?

When Rich Brooks took over at UK, they had ONE player who could run a sub 4.5 40. Now they have 18.

Cedric
10-15-2007, 12:56 AM
Want to hear a crazy stat?

When Rich Brooks took over at UK, they had ONE player who could run a sub 4.5 40. Now they have 18.

That's just crazy. You couldn't compete in the WAC with that speed.

WMR
10-15-2007, 12:57 AM
It's impossible to measure. It's probably a wash like I said. The legit championship programs aren't getting by with slow players anymore. Doesn't happen.

The 02 Ohio State defense had 11 NFL players and people still refused to admit that Ohio State could possibly be as fast as other schools.

NFL teams don't draft slow players. And Ohio State produces NFL talent better than both LSU and Florida.

Does OSU really produce more and better NFL players than LSU and Florida? I don't know the statistics, I'm honestly curious and would love to know.

WMR
10-15-2007, 12:59 AM
That's just crazy. You couldn't compete in the WAC with that speed.

The probation and scholarship reductions from the Mumme-era contributed as much as anything... top kids don't want to go to a program hamstrung by the NCAA. Understandably.

guttle11
10-15-2007, 12:59 AM
Ohio State is a much better team than last year, IMO. I've seen them live three times already and they have only one small weakness. They don't get a major push up the middle with Cordle/Person.
Tressel can now rely on true depth at the SE and FL position. He also will never trust anyone like he did Troy again. Nobody thought he would come in 25 lbs overweight and 12 step drop us out of rhythm and the game basically.

Their defense is light years ahead of last years team. Brandon Mitchell and Jamario O'neal forced Heacock into a very conservative strategy last year, that worked in a somewhat weak Big Ten. This year they have two of the best safeties in CFB and with Chekwa playing so well they basically have 5 DB's on the field on most downs.
I'm just gonna enjoy the ragging Ohio State gets for the next few months about their competition. People are going to assume this Ohio State team is just like last years over hyped team. They are clearly better on defense and also Tressel is gonna treat the big games like he used to. His playcalling will be much more efficient and he has better depth to work with. This is also the fastest team Ohio State has ever had and every year it's getting faster. There isn't a team in America that has more overall speed than OSU and just like 02 Tressel is gonna prove it. It's gonna be a fun ride.

They also have a HUGE chip on their shoulder. I really don't think people understand the talent level at Ohio State. It gets better every year. With this years recruiting class it's going to get scary.

I agree. If they execute well and go 12-0, the country is in for a big surprise in the title game. Not saying they'll win, but they won't get blown out either. If they end up playing LSU or Oklahoma, it'll be a great game like the Miami title game. If they end up playing USF, BC, or someone of that nature, they could find themselves on the smiling side of a 41-14 score.

Getting there is the question. They can lose any of their 5 games if they don't execute well. Wisconsin, Illinois, and MSU are clearly below them, but are capable of knocking them off. At Penn State and at Michigan are going to be intense, very close games. They won't necessarily have to play poorly to lose. It's not a slam dunk by any stretch of the imagination.

I think this team is better as a whole then last year, but they are not as explosive on offense. The margin for error is smaller.

guttle11
10-15-2007, 12:59 AM
Does OSU really produce more and better NFL players than LSU and Florida? I don't know the statistics, I'm honestly curious and would love to know.

More than any school in the country at the moment.

Boston Red
10-15-2007, 01:01 AM
How on earth do you come up with OSU beating USF 41-14?!? OSU's offense is not that great, and USF's defense is excellent. That would be more like a 17-14 toss-up.

BC's fun little run will be over soon.

WMR
10-15-2007, 01:01 AM
More than any school in the country at the moment.

I'm talking like over the past 10 years or so...

guttle11
10-15-2007, 01:08 AM
I'm talking like over the past 10 years or so...

I think I was wrong. Miami probably has the most.

But Ohio State is almost assuredly in the top 3-5. My guess is second.

WMR
10-15-2007, 01:09 AM
What about USC? Oklahoma has got to be up there as well.

Cedric
10-15-2007, 01:10 AM
Does OSU really produce more and better NFL players than LSU and Florida? I don't know the statistics, I'm honestly curious and would love to know.

Florida used to have more busts than any school by a wide margin. WR was a joke position with Florida pro players.

Scout.com listed Ohio State as the best pro pipeline for WR's and CB's in the NFL. Pretty fast positions eh? :)

WR- Cris Carter- Joey Galloway- Terry Glenn- Michael Jenkins- Santonio Holmes- Ted Ginn Jr- Drew Carter- David Boston (pre insanity)

Cb- Nate Clements- Antoine Winfield- Shawn Springs- Chris Gamble- Ashton Youbouty- Ahmed Plummer (injury ended career)

On the team right now Malcom Jenkins is a Junior and considered a top 15 pick. Brian Hartline and Brian Robiskie will most certainly have some role in the NFL. Hartline is an athletic freak. Ray Small is also a likely pro player. Also just like schools like USC and Michigan they have the best talent. Now with Tressel and his great coaching staff they are loading up.

The list at other positions is pretty awesome also. Nick Mangold is a 2nd year Center and a star. Will Smith is a pro bowl DE. Orlando Pace is a HOF player. Mike Doss and Donnie Nickey are five year pros. LeCharles Bentley was a pro bowl center before two bad knee injuries. Aj Hawk is a stud on one of the best defenses in the NFL. Bobby Carpenter was a first round pick last year at LB. Will Allen is a starting safety with Tampa. Anthony Schlegal plays alot with the Bengals sadly :) Rob Sims starts for the Seahawks at guard and is considered a future star. 2nd year player.


Qb is the one historical position that Ohio State just never had really compete well in the NFL. Rb recently hasn't been great because of Maurice being counted on so heavily.

I'm sure people are utterly sick of my OSU stuff. I'll stop now lol.

guttle11
10-15-2007, 01:11 AM
How on earth do you come up with OSU beating USF 41-14?!? OSU's offense is not that great, and USF's defense is excellent. That would be more like a 17-14 toss-up.

BC's fun little run will be over soon.


I said "could". By no means would that be a prediction.

Ohio State is in an elite class of athletes along with Florida, USC, and LSU. Everyone else is a step or more behind. They have better players across the board (except maybe QB) than USF. OSU would be 8-10 point favorites.

Cedric
10-15-2007, 01:15 AM
I agree. If they execute well and go 12-0, the country is in for a big surprise in the title game. Not saying they'll win, but they won't get blown out either. If they end up playing LSU or Oklahoma, it'll be a great game like the Miami title game. If they end up playing USF, BC, or someone of that nature, they could find themselves on the smiling side of a 41-14 score.

Getting there is the question. They can lose any of their 5 games if they don't execute well. Wisconsin, Illinois, and MSU are clearly below them, but are capable of knocking them off. At Penn State and at Michigan are going to be intense, very close games. They won't necessarily have to play poorly to lose. It's not a slam dunk by any stretch of the imagination.

I think this team is better as a whole then last year, but they are not as explosive on offense. The margin for error is smaller.

I'm a homer, but I'm also a realist. I predicted 3 losses for OSU last year. Ohio State just got lucky that Morelli regressed and Michigan can't stop any spread offenses. Ohio State was over hyped and overrated last year. That wasn't really anyone's fault though. They played at Texas and murdered them and they beat an undefeated Michigan team. Nobody knew how overrated those teams were. That happens sometimes.

guttle11
10-15-2007, 01:18 AM
What about USC? Oklahoma has got to be up there as well.

Going off a current rough count on ESPN.com:

Miami 49
Ohio State 45
Michigan 39
LSU 35
Florida 32
USC 28
Oklahoma 25

Obviously a few others would have to be in the high 20s-30s as well, but the gist is there.

Boston Red
10-15-2007, 01:18 AM
I think Ohio State would be closer to a three point favorite. Athlete for athlete, USF would match up just fine. They're fast as all hell.

Cedric
10-15-2007, 04:57 AM
USC had a major drought. In a few years they will be right up there at the top. Oklahoma likewise. Ohio State has been pretty consistent. They got older guys like Glenn, Galloway, and Pace with the new guys also. USC and Oklahoma were pretty bad in the late 90's.

MWM
10-15-2007, 09:02 AM
Ohio State can't have any speed, they're not in the SEC. Only SEC teams are fast. Afterall, it was the speed of Florida that beat them in the title game last year. :evil:

Puffy
10-15-2007, 10:20 AM
Yeah, I have a feeling this is the year they lose to Michigan as well. It will be this senior class' last chance to beat OSU which they have yet to do. And I think everyone will know it's Lloyd Carr's last regular season coaching game.

I think it will all come down to Mike Hart. He's tough to stop any time, but when he's got a chip on his shoulder, which he'll have that game, he takes it to another level. He's a special football player.

The fact that it's being played in Michigan this year gives them the edge.

Does Lloyd Carr get fired or step down? If Michigan wins out they will be in another BCS game. Its tough to fire a coach who goes 11-2 with 11 straight wins to end the year.

kaldaniels
10-15-2007, 11:39 AM
Does Lloyd Carr get fired or step down? If Michigan wins out they will be in another BCS game. Its tough to fire a coach who goes 11-2 with 11 straight wins to end the year.

Its been said often...if they want to get rid of Carr...either he will just step down on his own or it will be called a "resignation"...this is just what the talking heads have said mind you. I depise Michigan but I do agree...Lloyd Carr has done enough for the program to not have his tenure end as a "firing".

IslandRed
10-15-2007, 12:48 PM
But hey, the 2002 team didn't seem that good either.


The 02 Ohio State defense had 11 NFL players and people still refused to admit that Ohio State could possibly be as fast as other schools.


Qb is the one historical position that Ohio State just never had really compete well in the NFL.

They played a lot of very close, very conservative games, which led people to believe the team wasn't as good as it was. Despite the fact that Craig Krenzel later drew some NFL paychecks, in retrospect, I think he was the limiting factor on that team. The rest of that team was excellent across the board -- running game, defense, special teams. The only thing missing was the passing game, and they had the receivers to torch teams for focusing on Clarett. They just didn't do it.