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reds_bengals1
10-18-2007, 03:18 PM
From mlbtraderumors.com:

...Hunter has seemingly been connected to half the teams in baseball; you can see all posts involving him here. Today Gleeman added another club to the mix: the Reds. Gleeman's source talks to Dusty Baker, who has suggested the Reds might be interested. That'd create a definite outfielder surplus in Cincy.

WMR
10-18-2007, 03:22 PM
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texasdave
10-18-2007, 03:24 PM
This thread title needs to be edited.

Yes. Torii was spelled incorrectly. :p:

AmarilloRed
10-18-2007, 03:25 PM
It is a far cry from Dusty being interested to Torii Hunter going to the Reds

Stephenk29
10-18-2007, 03:27 PM
I just read this as well. I don't know how much hot air this is but this would be a huge pick up. Can you imagine how productive he would be in a ballpark like ours? Plus his defense is obviously superb, Dunn and Griffey's lack of mobility will not be as bad with Hunter in Center. The talk has been pitching but if the Reds sign Hunter we can easily afford to trade Hamilton and even maybe Griffey? Hunter averages around 26 bombs playing in the AL. A stay in Cincy could easily push that to 30. He also will hit around 280 and contribute 25 bags a year. He rarely hits 100RBIs but I think that will be much easier to obtain in our offense. I think this would be a huge sign.:thumbup:

Degenerate39
10-18-2007, 03:34 PM
Hamilton > Hunter

Stay young

AmarilloRed
10-18-2007, 03:38 PM
I just read that Hunter is looking for a 5 year deal for 75 million at 15 million a year. I believe the Reds have about 20 million to spend this off-season.It would mean at the very least someone would have to be traded, and I can't see the Twins taking Griffey as a rental for 2 years. It could happen, though. We are already looking to give Dunn that sort of deal; I think I would rather give that sort of money to a starting pitcher we receive in a trade. I would like Torii Hunter as much as anyone; I just think the price will be too high.

WMR
10-18-2007, 03:39 PM
Yes. Torii was spelled incorrectly. :p:

:lol: :laugh: :lol:

GoReds33
10-18-2007, 04:14 PM
Say it ain't so. This would be a horrible move. I don't kknow why the Reds would have any intrest in him.

jimbo
10-18-2007, 04:21 PM
Hamilton > Hunter

Stay young

Exactly.

If Griffey could be moved, then we could talk. If both Griffey and Dunn stay though, I'd rather go with a younger and cheaper Hamilton in CF.

Degenerate39
10-18-2007, 04:28 PM
Exactly.

If Griffey could be moved, then we could talk. If both Griffey and Dunn stay though, I'd rather go with a younger and cheaper Hamilton in CF.

If Griffey could be moved then we could talk about Jay Bruce.

jimbo
10-18-2007, 05:18 PM
If Griffey could be moved then we could talk about Jay Bruce.

Good point.

kyred14
10-18-2007, 05:35 PM
15 million for Torii Hunter? Good lord, I'd rather stick a fork in my eye.

TeamSelig
10-18-2007, 05:45 PM
No thanks.

HokieRed
10-18-2007, 08:15 PM
Sounds like exactly what I'd expect from Dusty. He's a veterans guy. Outfield next year of Hunter, Griffey, maybe Dunn. Bruce sits at AAA, Hamilton goes elsewhere.

Carolina Red
10-18-2007, 08:30 PM
if the Reds sign Hunter we can easily afford to trade Hamilton and even maybe Griffey?

Why would you trade Hamilton when you have a leftfielder who can't cover much ground sitting there eating up 13 million a year? You trade Dunn to an AL team for pitching then move Hamilton to left. In 2009 play Bruce in LF, Hunter in CF, and Hamilton in RF.

mroby85
10-18-2007, 08:33 PM
well we haven't technically picked up the option on dunn yet, so the signing of hunter, may not mean we're losing hamilton.

FlightRick
10-18-2007, 09:48 PM
Now, I am not honestly advocating the signing of Torii Hunter @ $15m per year. But there *is* something to be said for looking into higher priced proven players.

Look: Dusty Baker is not a "horrible" manager. But in many ways, I see him as a horribile *fit* for the kind of team Cincinnati has now and could have in the next 2-3 years. To alleviate that dissonance, there's a part of me that says "go shopping, and be willing to part with some younger prospects/players to get the established talent you want."

I bet many around here would cringe at the thought, but this could be an off-season where two out of Encarnacion, Hamilton, Votto, and Bailey are moved. We "showcased" some guys late in the season (Keppinger, Cantu, Hopper) which might have turned them into valuable add-ons to a bigger trade. And if we can mix all that together with getting some salary relief (Freel's gotta be gone, there's just no room for him, at least not unless you end up trading away BOTH of Edwin and Keppinger; and unlike Stanton and Gonzalez, I bet we could probably get value for him), then you might be in a position to take on a stud center fielder or another top-line starter or an established reliever.

It may not be the prefered mode of operation to many, but given our new manager and the circumstances under which he'd be most effective, I think we'd be foolish to totally dismiss the possibility of flipping a 2 or 3 of our younger guys and their potential production if they can net us proven production.

Stephenk29
10-18-2007, 11:17 PM
Why would you trade Hamilton when you have a leftfielder who can't cover much ground sitting there eating up 13 million a year? You trade Dunn to an AL team for pitching then move Hamilton to left. In 2009 play Bruce in LF, Hunter in CF, and Hamilton in RF.

Excellent point, I didn't even think of that at the time. So what if we don't pick up Dunn's option at all and simply sign Hunter. Not picking up his option makes him much more affordable. Even if we don't sign Hunter, we can go after a CF who is a little bit cheaper. Aaron Rowand anyone?!?!

Then you would have an Outfield of Hamilton, Hunter, Griffey. There is some nice pop in that OF, and you improve a ton defensively.

jnwohio
10-19-2007, 12:05 AM
........ I bet many around here would cringe at the thought, but this could be an off-season where two out of Encarnacion, Hamilton, Votto, and Bailey are moved. We "showcased" some guys late in the season (Keppinger, Cantu, Hopper) which might have turned them into valuable add-ons to a bigger trade. And if we can mix all that together with getting some salary relief (Freel's gotta be gone, there's just no room for him, at least not unless you end up trading away BOTH of Edwin and Keppinger; and unlike Stanton and Gonzalez, I bet we could probably get value for him), then you might be in a position to take on a stud center fielder or another top-line starter or an established reliever.


If you remove Bailey from your list, I could come close to agreeing that 2 of the remaining 3 could be traded; but most likely it will only be one bundled (as suggested) with some other folks.

For his part, Bailey will not be going anywhere unless he would be part of a deal to bring in a legit top end of the rotation guy (at the least a true #2 to move Arroyo down) who the Reds would control contractually for at least 4 years. That is just not likely to happen.

Of the other 3, Votto makes the most sense to move. He is not a 5 tool guy; and 1st basemen who can hit and field the position acceptably are fairly easy to come by. After the Spetember Votto had, he may never be worth more on trade market, particularly given that many had questions about him going into September. So he is a slow start away from plummeting in value.

Dusty has already spoken favorably about EE on a couple of occassions. Maybe it is his number 12, Dusty's old number, or maybe something else but he seems to be a candiate to be one of Dusty's favorites right off. Add to this that he is a right handed bat on a team that is too left handed at the plate.

Hamilton is a legitmate 5 tool guy they now contol for 5 more years. Some question his durability; others fear a relapse. On the other hand he just came off of one of the more phenomenal years in a long time given his total history and should continue get better both in his execution and stamina. I think it takes a blockbuster or near blockbuster to get the Reds to part with him. He does become more expendable if Dunn is locked up beyond this year. Overall even if one viewed Hamilton as trade bait, it might be smarter to hold him another year to grow his value even more. That presumably would also give them time for a look to make sure Jay Bruce is for real.

As far as folks like Stanton or Free or David Ross, the Reds are either going to have to eat some dollars to move them or agree to swap mistakes with somebody in hopes that a change in scenery would revitalize the parties involved.

AmarilloRed
10-19-2007, 12:07 AM
I hate to burst this bubble, but Dunn will have his option picked up. The only reason it has not been announced yet is that I imagine management is currently negotiating with Dunn to sign him to a LTC. The owner has said he wants Dunn back, and I don't think Krivsky is going to go against Castellini.

Carolina Red
10-19-2007, 12:09 AM
I agree, the Reds would be better off with Hunter than Dunn. Hey, I love the measuring tape homers too but even if we do upgrade the pitching we need to be much better on defense. I see Dunn as a glaring hole in our defense and being such a big man he would be better off in the AL where he could DH. That way he wouldn't be running around out there wearing those knees out (he's already having trouble). I do think it would be better to pick up his option then trade him for whatever we can get.

I would salivate over a 2009 outfield of Hamilton, Hunter, and Bruce.:D

kyred14
10-19-2007, 02:47 AM
Again, 15 million for an aging outfielder whose defensive skills are starting to show decline. Or, a LTC for the 28 year old outfielder who is heading into his prime years. The same 28 year old who is head and shoulders better offensively than the aging, declining outfielder ever has been. Sure, said 28 year old OF isn't very good defensively, but LF defense isn't that important.

Not only do you get much a better offensive production, but the Hamilton/Freel/Hopper trio can give just about the same defense in CF at a third of the cost.

15M for Dunn > 15M for Hunter.

INRedsFan
10-19-2007, 06:15 AM
If you remove Bailey from your list, I could come close to agreeing that 2 of the remaining 3 could be traded; but most likely it will only be one bundled (as suggested) with some other folks.

For his part, Bailey will not be going anywhere unless he would be part of a deal to bring in a legit top end of the rotation guy (at the least a true #2 to move Arroyo down) who the Reds would control contractually for at least 4 years. That is just not likely to happen.

Of the other 3, Votto makes the most sense to move. He is not a 5 tool guy; and 1st basemen who can hit and field the position acceptably are fairly easy to come by. After the Spetember Votto had, he may never be worth more on trade market, particularly given that many had questions about him going into September. So he is a slow start away from plummeting in value.

Dusty has already spoken favorably about EE on a couple of occassions. Maybe it is his number 12, Dusty's old number, or maybe something else but he seems to be a candiate to be one of Dusty's favorites right off. Add to this that he is a right handed bat on a team that is too left handed at the plate.

Hamilton is a legitmate 5 tool guy they now contol for 5 more years. Some question his durability; others fear a relapse. On the other hand he just came off of one of the more phenomenal years in a long time given his total history and should continue get better both in his execution and stamina. I think it takes a blockbuster or near blockbuster to get the Reds to part with him. He does become more expendable if Dunn is locked up beyond this year. Overall even if one viewed Hamilton as trade bait, it might be smarter to hold him another year to grow his value even more. That presumably would also give them time for a look to make sure Jay Bruce is for real.

As far as folks like Stanton or Free or David Ross, the Reds are either going to have to eat some dollars to move them or agree to swap mistakes with somebody in hopes that a change in scenery would revitalize the parties involved.

I agree with your comment that Hamilton is a five tool player. I think the Reds stick with Hamilton. He will have the entire winter to work out to be prepared for next season. I predict a 40 HR season out of Hamilton next season. I think Hamilton is a franchise player. One more good season will put him at the bargaining table for a long term contract.

Degenerate39
10-19-2007, 06:53 AM
Why would you trade Hamilton when you have a leftfielder who can't cover much ground sitting there eating up 13 million a year? You trade Dunn to an AL team for pitching then move Hamilton to left. In 2009 play Bruce in LF, Hunter in CF, and Hamilton in RF.

You also have a leftfielder who hits 40 home runs a year, drives in 100, scores 100 runs, and walks 100 times. AND he's entering his prime. Hunter on the other hand is on the decline.

Gizmo
10-19-2007, 07:19 AM
From mlbtraderumors.com:

...Hunter has seemingly been connected to half the teams in baseball; you can see all posts involving him here. Today Gleeman added another club to the mix: the Reds. Gleeman's source talks to Dusty Baker, who has suggested the Reds might be interested. That'd create a definite outfielder surplus in Cincy.


Call me back when we're making moves that would give us a definite surplus of quality pitching.

ChatterRed
10-19-2007, 08:45 AM
Griffey to Seattle or Atlanta for a top of the line prospect or a catcher (Seattle - Clemente). Hamilton traded to someone for a #3 pitcher.

Hunter in CF, Bruce in RF.

Stephenk29
10-19-2007, 10:24 AM
Griffey to Seattle or Atlanta for a top of the line prospect or a catcher (Seattle - Clemente). Hamilton traded to someone for a #3 pitcher.

Hunter in CF, Bruce in RF.

The problem is I'm not sure If we can get that kind of value out of Griffey from anyone. He's old, he gets hurt a lot, and he has a huge contract. Would you trade your rare top catching prospect (Saltalamachia for example) for a guy like Griffey? No way.

CRedsLarkin11
10-19-2007, 10:30 AM
I don't like the idea of signing Hunter. A small market franchise needs to stay with players like Josh Hamilton. His ceiling is extremely high, he showed flashes of greatness last year, he's extremely cheap and is locked up for a while. Griffey will continue to bring fans in until Bruce is ready. I'm not the biggest Dunn fan in the world but his overall offensive production is impressive and it would not be an upgrade to have Hunter over Dunn. This team probably is not just a season away from competing, it is going to be a long process and I don't believe adding another large contract for a player that is past his prime will help matters. The outfield is not a concern in my view this offseason. There are much more pressing needs

I(heart)Freel
10-19-2007, 11:37 AM
The problem is I'm not sure If we can get that kind of value out of Griffey from anyone. He's old, he gets hurt a lot, and he has a huge contract. Would you trade your rare top catching prospect (Saltalamachia for example) for a guy like Griffey? No way.

All depends on how much of his deferred money/contract we're sending. If the Reds socked that money away each year (which reports said they did), then just the salary for him for next year isn't that bad for a team that takes him on.

They also get the benefit of the chase for #600. And if a deal is made sooner than later, that team can use that in marketing materials for 2008 season tickets etc.

All very interesting. Critical juncture for the Redlegs.

5DOLLAR-BLEACHERBUM
10-19-2007, 11:57 AM
You also have a leftfielder who hits 40 home runs a year, drives in 100, scores 100 runs, and walks 100 times. AND he's entering his prime. Hunter on the other hand is on the decline. Dunn blows him away in walks but Hunter had more rbi's in the last two years than Dunn, and I could see GABP being a huge power boost for Hunter. Hunter scored about 7 less runs than Dunn last year while walking half as many times. I think with the defensive upgrade Hunter brings against Dunn he is one of few free agent outfielders that could come close to replacing Dunn's numbers. That being said they play different positions in the outfield, and I think and hope Dunn's option is picked up and I think the only reason for delay is not the LTC but rather the fact that they just announced the Dusty hiring and the league prefers that teams wait until after the World Series to make announcements like this. I'm sure Bud allowed them to go ahead with the Dusty signing announcement because of the number of manager jobs up for grabs and the number of managers that may be on there way out of there present situation. It's kinda shocking with all of the complaining about not spending money on players in the past that we could complain about maybe picking up a guy like this. I would be thrilled to have an outfield of Dunn, Hunter, and Hamilton, and wouldn't be at all upset with Griffey if he hits like he did this year. It's too bad we cant field 4 outfielders like in softball.

Bip Roberts
10-19-2007, 01:14 PM
I dont see where he fits with out making major moves with trades

big boy
10-19-2007, 02:38 PM
Torii Hunter says he wants to play somewhere with a large African-American population. Not sure how Cincinnati fits in.

http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20071017&content_id=2270739&vkey=news_mlb&fext=.jsp&c_id=mlb

BLEEDS
10-19-2007, 03:20 PM
Torii Hunter says he wants to play somewhere with a large African-American population. Not sure how Cincinnati fits in.

http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20071017&content_id=2270739&vkey=news_mlb&fext=.jsp&c_id=mlb


Can you say HOTLANTA?!?!

PEACE

-BLEEDS

Jay Bruce
10-19-2007, 09:05 PM
Torii Hunter would be an awful target for a highly lucrative, long term contract from the Reds. His value as a player comes from his ability to play a stellar CF, but he is already 32, will be 33 half way through next year, and is already declining as a fielder. As a hitter, he has never had an OBP above .337, and I doubt he will improve all that much, since he strikes out three times more than he walks. Basically, while he has good power, he is only worth 15 million a year if he is playing a fantastic CF, which he would be unlikelly to do throughout a long term contract, considering his age.

If the Reds were to shell out for an elite CF(which is arguable if they should, I wouldn't), the man to go after would be Andruw Jones. He is almost two years younger than Hunter, a superior hitter in both power and on-base ability, and likely to keep his defensive value for a longer period of time.

GoGoWhiteSox
10-23-2007, 08:30 PM
Why in the hell would the Reds want to go after Torii Hunter? They already have Griffey, Dunn, Hamilton, Freel (once he's healthy), and Norris Hopper. Don't forget about Jay Bruce waiting in the wings. Why in the world would the Reds want to go after an aging center fielder? They have plenty of outfielders. They have enough hitting as it stands right now. This makes no sense whatsoever.

The Reds need to address their pitching needs. They need another quality starter, and they need to stop getting old, tired, over-the-hill relievers whose best days are behind them.

Vada Pinson Fan
10-23-2007, 08:51 PM
Pass on Torii Hunter. No need for that overpaid OFer in Cincy. Again, the Reds need Pitching, Pitching and more PITCHING! After acquiring said pitching, let's see what is available in the Catching area. The Reds have outfielders coming out of the woodwork and they're all good enough to keep unless very good+ (or better) pitching can come our way for Hamilton, Freel or Griffey-> if Jr. consents to a trade.

Stephenk29
10-23-2007, 10:47 PM
Why in the hell would the Reds want to go after Torii Hunter? They already have Griffey, Dunn, Hamilton, Freel (once he's healthy), and Norris Hopper. Don't forget about Jay Bruce waiting in the wings. Why in the world would the Reds want to go after an aging center fielder? They have plenty of outfielders. They have enough hitting as it stands right now. This makes no sense whatsoever.

The Reds need to address their pitching needs. They need another quality starter, and they need to stop getting old, tired, over-the-hill relievers whose best days are behind them.

Freel and Hopper are far from the answer. Freel can't hit and also can't stay healthy. I love the guy but he has no business being a starter. Hopper hit pretty well but is he really a long term solution? I've heard several analysts say his average will drop like a rock once he doesn't get as many infield hits and bunt singles.

hippie07
10-24-2007, 09:05 AM
Well, I've seen on RZ plenty of times about how there's no quality pitching in the FA market and any pitching upgrades will probably come through trades-- maybe the reds are thinking about dipping into an area where we can ARGUABLY upgrade (centerfield) and trade away some of our area of surplus (outfielders) for quality pitching. Makes sense to me...

Ahhhorsepoo
10-24-2007, 09:40 AM
You also have a leftfielder who hits 40 home runs a year, drives in 100, scores 100 runs, and walks 100 times. AND he's entering his prime. Hunter on the other hand is on the decline.

How could ANYONE not want to have Torii on their team? a SMALL dropoff in power would occur, with him replacing dunn, but an immediate upgrade in fielding would occur.. he's still going to get a gold glove this year, so even if he is "declining" like you say.. his gold glove for one or two more years is far better than what dunn brings to the game.. question.. does he even own a glove? with how he plays it seems like each night he has a new one he is trying to break in..........

your constant Dunn is the best player in the world banter really has no base, and if you really would be that upset about them getting a big time improvement in the field over that overrated donkey(would be a good DH, but not a fielder in the NL), then go cheer on the cubbies or something...

Ahhhorsepoo
10-24-2007, 09:49 AM
Torii Hunter would be an awful target for a highly lucrative, long term contract from the Reds. His value as a player comes from his ability to play a stellar CF, but he is already 32, will be 33 half way through next year, and is already declining as a fielder. As a hitter, he has never had an OBP above .337, and I doubt he will improve all that much, since he strikes out three times more than he walks. Basically, while he has good power, he is only worth 15 million a year if he is playing a fantastic CF, which he would be unlikelly to do throughout a long term contract, considering his age.

If the Reds were to shell out for an elite CF(which is arguable if they should, I wouldn't), the man to go after would be Andruw Jones. He is almost two years younger than Hunter, a superior hitter in both power and on-base ability, and likely to keep his defensive value for a longer period of time.

He has already declined more than hunter in the field.. and last year, a contract year no less he hit .222.. I would have loved to have Andruw about 5 years ago.. but after 2003 he changed his batting, and now just goes strictly for long ball, something dunn already does.... had we gotten the .280 hitting 35 home run, gg outfielder of pre2003 hells yeah, but now.. its a rehash of dunn, by the way.. how many division titles have we won since dunn has been here? ohh thats right 0, because we are compromising defense and pitching for a precieved lack of power, or need of power, in a hitter friendly park..

GABP being a hitters park is a perfect place for people like alex gonzalez and josh hamilton, and norris hopper.. GREAT on defense, and with the park they can stretch hits that were normally singles into doubles, and doubles into going over the wall..

you dont need to build around power.. you need to build around pitching and defense, the power upgrade in numbers will come because of the park they play in..

TeamSelig
10-24-2007, 10:39 AM
Torii Hunter says he wants to play somewhere with a large African-American population. Not sure how Cincinnati fits in.

http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20071017&content_id=2270739&vkey=news_mlb&fext=.jsp&c_id=mlb

Anyone bothered a little by this comment?

big boy
10-24-2007, 12:27 PM
Anyone bothered a little by this comment?

Are you referring to the double standard? How Hunter can say this but if a white player said the same thing about a predominantly white city, he would be a racist?

To answer your question...no. He can say what he wants. I just hope he doesn't come to the Reds as Hamilton's offensive numbers will be much better and he plays a stellar center field.

ChatterRed
10-24-2007, 02:12 PM
The problem is I'm not sure If we can get that kind of value out of Griffey from anyone. He's old, he gets hurt a lot, and he has a huge contract. Would you trade your rare top catching prospect (Saltalamachia for example) for a guy like Griffey? No way.


Seattle has 3 young catchers and Clemente is not considered #1.

It amazes me on this board that so many, if not most people, are clinging so tightly to Josh Hamilton, when this team needs pitching so badly and the free agent market is horrible.

Keeping Josh Hamilton and all of our top young players will just lead to more losing as long as we don't/can't trade one or two of them for pitching.

thatcoolguy_22
10-24-2007, 02:14 PM
How could ANYONE not want to have Torii on their team? a SMALL dropoff in power would occur, with him replacing dunn, but an immediate upgrade in fielding would occur.. he's still going to get a gold glove this year, so even if he is "declining" like you say.. his gold glove for one or two more years is far better than what dunn brings to the game.. question.. does he even own a glove? with how he plays it seems like each night he has a new one he is trying to break in..........

your constant Dunn is the best player in the world banter really has no base, and if you really would be that upset about them getting a big time improvement in the field over that overrated donkey(would be a good DH, but not a fielder in the NL), then go cheer on the cubbies or something...



refer to:




You also have a leftfielder who hits 40 home runs a year, drives in 100, scores 100 runs, and walks 100 times. AND he's entering his prime. Hunter on the other hand is on the decline.



I am fairly confident that this statement (which you quoted in the post above) does not exclaim that Dunn is the greatest player in the world. However it does state that Dunnn perrenially Hits 40+HRs, scores 100+ runs, 100+ RBI's, and walks 100+ times.

Dont be blinded by what you hear from Marty and Thom during broadcasts... Dunn's hitting prowess would be incredibly hard to make up for and adding a 32 year old center fielder's defense probably won't account for much. Remember Griffey (arguably the greatest player of his generation before injuries) was 31 when he first came to the queen city...

Jay Bruce
10-24-2007, 03:07 PM
He has already declined more than hunter in the field.. and last year, a contract year no less he hit .222.. I would have loved to have Andruw about 5 years ago.. but after 2003 he changed his batting, and now just goes strictly for long ball, something dunn already does.... had we gotten the .280 hitting 35 home run, gg outfielder of pre2003 hells yeah, but now.. its a rehash of dunn, by the way.. how many division titles have we won since dunn has been here? ohh thats right 0, because we are compromising defense and pitching for a precieved lack of power, or need of power, in a hitter friendly park..



First of all, I believe that the fielding decline of Andruw Jones is ridiculously overstated. Now, keep in mind that defensive stats are not always the best, but last year, Jones had 7.5 fielding winshares, andmade 80 plays out of zone last year, with 73,60 and 75 the previous 3 years before that. Over the same time, Hunter had 5 fielding winshares, and only made 47, 48, 33 and 65 plays out of zone. Jones has put on some weight over the last few years, but he is still a very good fielder, and should be better than Hunter going forward.

I also firmly believe that Jones simply had a fluky off year last, and should rebound to form this year. His BB/K ratio was right in line with previous season, as was his LD%. The things that hurt him were an unlucky .248 BABIp, coupled with a HR/FB% 13.4%, from a man whose career number is over 19%. I would be worried if he stopped walking, or struck out at a ridiculous rate last year, but he didn't, and even had more flyballs than his career norms. He would be a much better candidate for a long term deal over Hunter, and it isn't really close.




GABP being a hitters park is a perfect place for people like alex gonzalez and josh hamilton, and norris hopper.. GREAT on defense, and with the park they can stretch hits that were normally singles into doubles, and doubles into going over the wall..



In regards to Hopper, I guess GABP has given him the ability to stretch outs into singles then, hasn't it ;).

timbok
10-24-2007, 03:10 PM
The race for Hunter is on....
its the new amazing race : the Hunter Race