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Screwball
10-21-2007, 01:53 PM
While there are a number of different ways to attempt to quantify a player's performance/contribution on the field (e.g. - batting avg., OPS, ERA, etc.), one that I rarely see used on here is Win Probability Added (WPA). However, I think it should be considered when voting on the Reds' MVP.

Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Win_Probability_Added) describes it as "a technical baseball statistic which attempts to measure a player's win contribution by figuring how much each specific play he made altered the outcome of a game." It gives more weight in high pressure or clutch situations during the late innings of the game. For example, a walk off solo home run would add much more Win Probability than a solo shot in the bottom of the 1st.

So, without further ado, here's how the selected Reds rank in 2007 WPA:



Scott Hatteberg 2.83
Adam Dunn 2.66
Aaron Harang 2.42
David Weathers 1.15
Brandon Phillips 1.14
Ken Griffey Jr. 1.14
Edwin Encarnacion 0.83
Jeff Keppinger 0.77
Jared Burton 0.75
Josh Hamilton 0.72
Norris Hopper 0.60
Bronson Arroyo 0.42

Hey Meat
10-21-2007, 01:58 PM
Thread Title threw me off at first. I thought you were asking for next years MVP (being 2008).

Screwball
10-21-2007, 02:02 PM
Thread Title threw me off at first. I thought you were asking for next years MVP (being 2008).


Yeah, that's supposed to be 2007. I'm not sure what I was thinking.

Degenerate39
10-21-2007, 02:28 PM
I'd say it's either Harang, Dunn, or Phillips.

Screwball
10-21-2007, 02:33 PM
I'd say it's either Harang, Dunn, or Phillips.

Agreed. It's pretty tough to compare a starting pitcher who goes once every 5 games to a position player that plays everyday. Still, all 3 had outstanding 2007 (:D) campaigns, and I'm very interested to see how the voting turns out.

GoReds33
10-21-2007, 04:59 PM
I voted for Phillips. I am one of those that believes that a pitcher can't be an MVP. The only exception would have been Johan Santana.

Bip Roberts
10-21-2007, 07:13 PM
Billy Hatcher

Chris Sabowned
10-21-2007, 08:00 PM
Whoever voted for Norris Hopper needs their head checked. Harang or Phillips by a landslide

Degenerate39
10-21-2007, 08:06 PM
Whoever voted for Norris Hopper needs their head checked. Harang or Phillips by a landslide

Marty probably did it because Norris can bunt

HalMorrisRules
10-21-2007, 08:53 PM
Phillips is my fave player but I went with Harang because he was just so steady and dependable and pitchers like that don't come along all that often for the Reds it seems.

Betterread
10-21-2007, 10:43 PM
Adam Dunn at #3 ?- I am really surprised. To me, he was clearly the player who was the most valuable to the Reds.

Casey
10-21-2007, 10:58 PM
I went with Phillips because he provided such a spark for the team , but Harang was a close second because you knew every time he pitched he would put them in a position to win.

ChatterRed
10-21-2007, 11:46 PM
I went with Harang pitching in a hitter's ballpark. His accomplishments would be even greatere in a pitcher's ballpark. All of our hitter's benefit from playing in GABP.

bw87a
10-22-2007, 12:05 AM
phillips. i enjoyed his enthusiasm for the game this year. he stepped up and projected himself as a premiere leader on the team. i'm looking forward to good things happening with him next season.

gedred69
10-22-2007, 08:35 PM
phillips. i enjoyed his enthusiasm for the game this year. he stepped up and projected himself as a premiere leader on the team. i'm looking forward to good things happening with him next season.

Yep, I agree. He is to this team what Joe Morgan was to the BRM. Quote from SI back in those days: "Little Joe makes Big Reds go". I love Phillips because he said he wants to be to this team what little Joe was back in the day. Sure picked a pretty good role model.......

Stephenk29
10-23-2007, 10:43 AM
Does anyone else realize that a 30/30 season has only happened twice in the history of baseball for a second baseman. I don't think there is much debate to it really.

markymark69
10-23-2007, 12:26 PM
Does anyone else realize that a 30/30 season has only happened twice in the history of baseball for a second baseman. I don't think there is much debate to it really.

That's exactly the reason I voted for Phillips. An argument can certainly be made for Harang, but Phillips both offensively and defensively was the best player on the team this year IMO.