View Full Version : Newsflash - Reds farm system produces no talent (now with proof!)

10-30-2007, 11:30 AM

Hardball Times has endeavored to track the major league production of a team's farm system, whether the MLB player makes the big club where he came up or with a different team. It generally uses win shares produced for former team farmhands and adds them up. For example, the Reds get credit for Kearns since he came up with the Reds but earned his win shares elsewhere in 2007. On the other hand, the 2007 Reds get no credit for Hamilton or Phillips.

The Reds finished last in the NL Central for each of 2005-2007 reaching a particularly strong level of putridity in 2007; in 2007 Reds farmhands, for both the Reds and other teams, produced the lowest amount of win shares in the three year study. In fact, looking back over the previous years, it would appear the Reds in 2007 had the lowest non-expansion team total in at least the last 14 years (and it's not particularly even close).

10-30-2007, 12:20 PM
I can't say that I'm surprised. I sent in a question to the Reds mailbag this year about this. I mentioned how the Reds never have big prospects and how no one ever pans out (prior to the recent prospects of Bailey, Bruce of course). The guy basically tired to say I was wrong, there's more proof for him right there.

10-30-2007, 12:41 PM
I'm curious which players are contributing to the Reds total. Dunn, Kearns, Tomko . . . maybe a little bit from Sanders and A. Boone?

It's arguable that part of the drop-off of the number for 2007 is the result of Krivsky implementing a philosophy that no one skips a level, so some players that would be up and contributing already are instead developing further.

Then again, when you take a cursory glimpse at the Reds' drafts for the last 10-15 years you don't see many household names.

10-30-2007, 02:10 PM
You probably saw in the article that Dunn and Kearns made up for half of the Reds total number. Don't know where the rest of it came from, though your guesses seem reasonable enough.

10-30-2007, 02:37 PM
Does Trevor Hoffman get counted for the Reds or not?

10-30-2007, 02:52 PM
Who was the last BIG prospect before Bailey? By big I mean sure bet that no one can stop talking about?

10-30-2007, 02:58 PM
Who was the last BIG prospect before Bailey? By big I mean sure bet that no one can stop talking about?

Dunn or Kearns

10-30-2007, 03:51 PM
Did they get the national press like Bailey and Bruce? I can't remember for the life of me.

10-30-2007, 04:08 PM
the last epic prospect was the great phil dumatrait, he of the infinity era

11-02-2007, 10:52 AM
if the reds dont have a good farm system then THEY MUST PAY FOR PLAYERS!