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WVRed
11-01-2007, 12:02 AM
All I have to say is wow.:eek:

Kentucky wins 99-64 in Gillispie's first game. Meeks scores 34 points on 7 of 9 from 3. Patterson's debut has 21 points and nine rebounds.

I know its Pikeville college, but from what I have read, Kentucky really came out on a mission tonight.

jmac
11-01-2007, 12:39 AM
All I have to say is wow.:eek:

Kentucky wins 99-64 in Gillispie's first game. Meeks scores 34 points on 7 of 9 from 3. Patterson's debut has 21 points and nine rebounds.

I know its Pikeville college, but from what I have read, Kentucky really came out on a mission tonight.

Patterson is going to be the real thing and I feel like Meeks will be the go-to guy(should have been last season).
Ky really pushed the ball well tonight looking for outlets and breaking the press with fastbreaks. Hopefully they can do that when it starts for real.
As I said, Meeks/Patterson will be steady, the question is "if" they can have the supporting cast. In other words, other than the guys some project as our starting five (Patterson,Meeks,Bradly,Crawford, and Stevenson),we got 5 points and 3 of those on a three with a few seconds left.

Redhook
11-01-2007, 08:18 AM
An exciting UK team is just what the doctor ordered with the Bengals stinking up the joint and the Reds off for 5 months. I can't wait to watch them play.

Javy Pornstache
11-01-2007, 02:44 PM
This game is allegedly on FSN at 7pm tonight (Thursday), by the way, UK fans. I say "allegedly". I've noticed over the years they are often listed, but something more important, such as international championship darts, or bratwurst eating, often preempts UK bball from the Big Blue Network feed onto FSN.

cumberlandreds
11-01-2007, 03:01 PM
This game is allegedly on FSN at 7pm tonight (Thursday), by the way, UK fans. I say "allegedly". I've noticed over the years they are often listed, but something more important, such as international championship darts, or bratwurst eating, often preempts UK bball from the Big Blue Network feed onto FSN.

Not to mention the dreaded blackout.:( I have my DVR set but I'm not optimistic about seeing it. These black outs are put on at the last minute sometimes.

WMR
11-01-2007, 03:03 PM
Meeks was ON FIRE last night from 3 point range (saw the highlights on SC). He made one three that was at least six feet behind the line.

WVRed
11-01-2007, 10:41 PM
I honestly look for this to be Meeks last year at Kentucky. He will have a breakout year and will be a top ten pick on the NBA radar.

Also, Chris Singleton, a top UK recruit, is down to Kentucky and Florida State and will announce November 14th his college choice. He is a 6'8 SF/PF with good three point range and is ranked 27th by Scout. This will give Kentucky three SF's if you include Liggins(who is more of a point forward), and Darius Miller.

http://scouthoops.scout.com/a.z?s=75&p=8&c=1&nid=2492987

WMR
11-01-2007, 10:42 PM
I honestly look for this to be Meeks last year at Kentucky. He will have a breakout year and will be a top ten pick on the NBA radar.

Also, Chris Singleton, a top UK recruit, is down to Kentucky and Florida State and will announce November 14th his college choice. He is a 6'8 SF/PF with good three point range and is ranked 27th by Scout.

http://scouthoops.scout.com/a.z?s=75&p=8&c=1&nid=2492987

Really.

I saw him as a 3 year player at least.

jmac
11-01-2007, 11:10 PM
Really.

I saw him as a 3 year player at least.

Meeks really came on toward the end of last season. I can also see him coming out if he has the year under Gillispie most think he will.

WMR
11-01-2007, 11:21 PM
Meeks really came on toward the end of last season. I can also see him coming out if he has the year under Gillispie most think he will.

Lead us to the Final Four, Jodie, and I'll drive you to NYC for the draft myself. :D

BRM
11-02-2007, 11:28 AM
Would this be a good thread to mention Tubby Smith won his debut with Minnesota last night? :)

jmac
11-02-2007, 01:23 PM
Would this be a good thread to mention Tubby Smith won his debut with Minnesota last night? :)
Did they play well defensively, that is the question.;)

WMR
11-02-2007, 01:44 PM
Would this be a good thread to mention Tubby Smith won his debut with Minnesota last night? :)

Did they do a good job listlessly passing the ball around the top of the key, wasting the entire shot-clock, and then throwing it down low to the block for a shot attempt?

Man I miss Tubby. :cry:

BRM
11-02-2007, 01:54 PM
Did they do a good job listlessly passing the ball around the top of the key, wasting the entire shot-clock, and then throwing it down low to the block for a shot attempt?

Man I miss Tubby. :cry:

They won easily. That's all that matters. ;)

Javy Pornstache
11-02-2007, 04:20 PM
Did they do a good job listlessly passing the ball around the top of the key, wasting the entire shot-clock, and then throwing it down low to the block for a shot attempt?

Man I miss Tubby. :cry:

No need to worry, WMR, plowhorse basketball will be alive and well in Minnesota this year. Subscribe to the Big Ten Network, and you'll see a whole bunch of it. ;)

WMR
11-03-2007, 06:24 AM
MAN!! Some former University of Kentucky youngsters came CORRECT in the Association last night. Rondo was GREAT for the Celtics and AZABUUUUIKE dropped 33!

WMR
11-03-2007, 09:18 PM
First time I'm watching the Cats live this season...

I must admit, it is a bit strange seeing someone other than the Tubster prowling the sidelines.

Patrick Patterson is a BEAST.

WMR
11-03-2007, 09:22 PM
OH MY GOD!!!!!

A FAST BREAK?!?!?!?

Haven't seen one of those in a while. :eek:

WMR
11-03-2007, 09:33 PM
Awww!

They just interviewed one of the Fiddlin' Five, Vernon Hatton, who won the National Championship over Seattle in 1958. 11 out of the 12 players on that team were Kentuckians. Amazing.

WVRed
11-04-2007, 01:37 AM
What impresses me with Gillispie is that he doesn't cut corners. If a player doesn't hustle, he rides the bench. This is pretty evident when Joe Crawford, who was Kentucky's leading scorer last year, has been pulled twice and ripped in the papers by Gillispie for not hustling on defense. Ramel Bradley and Jodie Meeks both were pulled as well for the same thing.

Oh yeah, the fast break is nice too.:)

WMR
11-04-2007, 01:49 AM
Yep. No sacred cows. NONE.

Billy clearly has no problem sitting YOU, no matter who you might think YOU are, right next to him on the bench if you are not following the "game plan."

You can tell, he has told those boys, as soon as you get the ball, I want you looking for the man further down the court than you are and I want you attacking the rim. Man I love it. That's what Kentucky basketball is supposed to be about.

WMR
11-04-2007, 01:49 AM
Patrick Patterson is AMAZING. He runs the floor like a 3 but he can play like a 5 when he needs to.

jmac
11-04-2007, 01:04 AM
Patrick Patterson is AMAZING. He runs the floor like a 3 but he can play like a 5 when he needs to.
Probably will not be at UK very long. I would like to think at least 2 seasons but ya never know.

macro
11-04-2007, 09:27 AM
Probably will not be at UK very long. I would like to think at least 2 seasons but ya never know.

Yeah, but that's okay. As a general rule, about the only way to keep them around four years anymore is to not get the best players.

WVRed
11-04-2007, 10:34 AM
Yeah, but that's okay. As a general rule, about the only way to keep them around four years anymore is to not get the best players.

The Tubby Smith rule, or better known as the academic projects.

Gerald Fitch and Chuck Hayes were both good college players, but neither would qualify as NBA material if they had come out early.

WMR
11-04-2007, 02:09 PM
Yeah, but that's okay. As a general rule, about the only way to keep them around four years anymore is to not get the best players.

Yep, like it or not, that is the world that we live in today as far as constructing a dominant program in college basketball.

Get the absolute best players in the country and hope that they'll stick around for two. If you get three, count yourself particularly blessed.

TeamSelig
11-04-2007, 02:55 PM
BG will have no problem bringing in the best players each year, so its not that big of a deal really.

Joseph
11-04-2007, 03:38 PM
How much truth is there to the rumors of Billy 'getting around' Lexington? Is it going to be a problem, or is it just idle speculation and no big deal really?

TeamSelig
11-04-2007, 05:06 PM
Haven't heard those rumors. He is a single guy though, so more power to him.

George Foster
11-04-2007, 09:38 PM
How much truth is there to the rumors of Billy 'getting around' Lexington? Is it going to be a problem, or is it just idle speculation and no big deal really?

I posted this somewhere else. He was called into the President's office in September and was reminded he was the "face" of the University and he cannot go anywhere that he is not recognized. I know this from someone who knows The AD personally and is a BIG alumni guy and former player for Joe B Hall.

The rumors have pretty much stopped since then. He is a single guy. Women are falling all over themselves for him. It must be a big adjustment. Let's face it, In Texas, he was not that big off a deal at a "football" school. In Kentucky, he is the most sought after bachlor in the state. I am hoping that now that the season has started, he is all business.

I have been to both pre-season games. They are not that deep. We have no true center. We will have a decent year and be a lot of fun to watch. Teams will force us to beat them on the inside which is our weekness. We must get a LOT of points on the fast break to beat good teams, because our half court offense is lacking inside play.

WMR
11-04-2007, 09:45 PM
A girl I graduated high school with "knows" him, if you know what I mean.

George Foster
11-04-2007, 09:49 PM
A girl I graduated high school with "knows" him, if you know what I mean.

You can choose to believe me or not...but the rumors have died down since the summer. I have no reason not to believe him. Everything he has told me in the past has been golden.

WMR
11-04-2007, 09:54 PM
Oh I'm not saying it's anything bad... as long as he's fairly discreet, no one is going to go looking to get the UK bball coach in trouble over his girlfriends... it's just funny that he hooked up with this girl that everyone who runs in my age-group circle in Georgetown knows.

George Foster
11-04-2007, 09:57 PM
Oh I'm not saying it's anything bad... as long as he's fairly discreet, no one is going to go looking to get the UK bball coach in trouble over his girlfriends... it's just funny that he hooked up with this girl that everyone who runs in my age-group circle in Georgetown knows.

I'm I still taking you to a game? How far are you from Lexington?

WMR
11-04-2007, 09:59 PM
Heck yeah!! :D

It takes me about 10 minutes to get to Lex. Can I pick the game? Do you want to give me some options? I'll coordinate one of my trips home from Cleveland to coincide with the game we choose.

George Foster
11-04-2007, 10:04 PM
Heck yeah!! :D

It takes me about 10 minutes to get to Lex. Can I pick the game? Do you want to give me some options? I'll coordinate one of my trips home from Cleveland to coincide with the game we choose.

How about the Arkansas game FEB 23rd? It's a CBS 2pm game, still gives you time to drive home after the game.

Oh...ALL refreshments are on YOU!!!:)

WMR
11-04-2007, 10:07 PM
How about the Arkansas game FEB 23rd? It's a CBS 2pm game, still gives you time to drive home after the game.

Oh...ALL refreshments are on YOU!!!:)

I'll be home the whole weekend if I come back. Tell you what, I'll send you a PM this week.

Thanks again, GF. Can't wait to see your seats.

WMR
11-04-2007, 10:08 PM
Yanno, my grandfather had 2 season tickets DIRECTLY behind Rupp back in the 50-60's... got rid of them when they had their 5 kids... MY GOD WHAT I WOULD GIVE TO HAVE THOSE SEATS TODAY. :lol:

No telling what those seats are worth today.

George Foster
11-04-2007, 10:08 PM
I'll be home the whole weekend if I come back. Tell you what, I'll send you a PM this week.

Thanks again, GF. Can't wait to see your seats.

It's a Sunday game! send me a PM....

WMR
11-04-2007, 10:09 PM
It's a Sunday game! send me a PM....

Oh cool. Gotcha.

Blimpie
11-05-2007, 11:52 AM
Yanno, my grandfather had 2 season tickets DIRECTLY behind Rupp back in the 50-60's... got rid of them when they had their 5 kids... MY GOD WHAT I WOULD GIVE TO HAVE THOSE SEATS TODAY. :lol:

No telling what those seats are worth today.Considering those bleacher seats have now been ripped up along with the original floor from Memorial, I would consider checking eBay....;) I actually managed to scrape up a few of the original floor boards late this summer when the remodeling was taking place....

In the late 1970s, my old man traded two season tickets in Rupp for eight in Commonwealth Stadium (near the 50 yard line). We only starting speaking again this year.

WMR
11-06-2007, 08:24 PM
What about Mr. Coury?!?!?!?!?!?!?!

Wow. Impressive start from him.

WMR
11-06-2007, 08:26 PM
Really interesting starting line-up from the Cats tonight... no Crawford.

WMR
11-06-2007, 08:30 PM
What an assist from Porter to Coury!

WMR
11-06-2007, 08:39 PM
Coury for MVP?!?!?!?! :lol:

WMR
11-06-2007, 09:22 PM
Crawford didn't start, but he has been our best offensive player.

I love that Billy is trying to light a fire under this young man's fanny.

WMR
11-06-2007, 09:22 PM
Bradley picks up a technical... not sure why.

Matt700wlw
11-08-2007, 12:08 AM
What's wrong with this picture?

G-Webb 77
UK 60


Ok, worse now...

macro
11-08-2007, 12:29 AM
I just saw on the 11:00pm news that Gardner-Webb beat UK at Rupp by 16. Realizing that it was a mistake, I searched the Web for the correct score, but every site I go to has the wrong score, as well.

How badly did UK beat Gardner-Webb tonight?

WVRed
11-08-2007, 12:32 AM
What's wrong with this picture?

G-Webb 77
UK 60


Ok, worse now...

84-68 the final.

For those who did not watch last nights game, Kentucky held Central Arkansas to 20% shooting from the field. Despite this, Coach Gillispie was furious at Kentucky, and ESPN could not believe it. Why? 16 turnovers.

Needless to say, GW scored 53% from the field tonight. When you couple that with countless Kentucky turnovers, not to mention shooting 35%, its going to be an embarrassment.

The biggest problem for this Kentucky team is the same as it was last year, no leadership. Gillispie wants Ramel Bradley to take the team on his back, but Bradley is not a leader, and neither is Joe Crawford, and I am also starting to question Jodie Meeks. You could make a point that both Bradley and Crawford played a hand in costing us the game tonight.

As for what did impress me. Patrick Patterson is going to be a star, period. The only thing he really needs to work on is defensive presence, and that comes with using his feet on defense. He is a great shot blocker and rebounder, but he needs to move around in order to become a good defensive presence. Alex Legion was about the only shooter with a hot hand. I believe if Bradley and Crawford had rode the bench in the second half that Kentucky might have clawed back.

The feel-good story so far this year has been Mark Coury. I don't think anybody in Kentucky expected the performance he put up last night and the production he has been giving so far this season.

Gillispie has inherited a mess under Tubby, but I believe if he gets his players in and the Kentucky faithful will be patient, we can be back to a Final Four in a couple of years. Problem is, Kentucky fans are like Notre Dame and want the quick fix.

WMR
11-08-2007, 12:32 AM
I just saw on the 11:00pm news that Gardner-Webb beat UK at Rupp by 16. Realizing that it was a mistake, I searched the Web for the correct score, but every site I go to has the wrong score, as well.

How badly did UK beat Gardner-Webb tonight?

It was u-g-l-y.

Half-court offense is going to be a real struggle for the Cats this season.

WMR
11-08-2007, 12:33 AM
84-68 the final.

For those who did not watch last nights game, Kentucky held Central Arkansas to 20% shooting from the field. Despite this, Coach Gillispie was furious at Kentucky, and ESPN could not believe it. Why? 16 turnovers.

Needless to say, GW scored 53% from the field tonight. When you couple that with countless Kentucky turnovers, not to mention shooting 35%, its going to be an embarrassment.

The biggest problem for this Kentucky team is the same as it was last year, no leadership. Gillispie wants Ramel Bradley to take the team on his back, but Bradley is not a leader, and neither is Joe Crawford. You could make a point that both played a hand in costing us the game tonight.

Whenever they began a run, one of those two would take an ill-advised shot that would inevitably lead to a scoring flurry from Gardner-Webb.

I'll be glad when those two graduate.

Javy Pornstache
11-08-2007, 01:47 AM
They have no half-court offense, whatsoever, and seemingly do not run any single set plays, as ridiculous as that sounds. Hardly any picks or anything. Also, there are times when they'll take several consecutive trips down the floor without Patterson touching the ball when he's there on the floor. Sound familiar?

Seems to me, even with a new coach, Bradley and Crawford are still playing their way. This will need to change ASAP if UK doesn't want to have more Gardner-Webb games.

joshnky
11-08-2007, 07:57 AM
:ughmamoru

At least it was an exhibition game... oh wait, it turns out the Atlantic Sun conference is division one. Gardner-Webb is already over 20% of the way to last years win totals.

WVRed
11-08-2007, 10:55 AM
They have no half-court offense, whatsoever, and seemingly do not run any single set plays, as ridiculous as that sounds. Hardly any picks or anything. Also, there are times when they'll take several consecutive trips down the floor without Patterson touching the ball when he's there on the floor. Sound familiar?

Seems to me, even with a new coach, Bradley and Crawford are still playing their way. This will need to change ASAP if UK doesn't want to have more Gardner-Webb games.

What bothered me last night with this was that earlier in the preseason, Gillispie was eager to pull both if they made a mental mistake. Bradley played pretty much the whole game tonight and Crawford really stayed in much of the game.

One thing I did notice comparing Gillispie to Tubby is that Billy Clyde is willing to accept blame, if you read the article by Tipton in the Herald Leader this morning.

flyer85
11-08-2007, 11:09 AM
Half-court offense is going to be a real struggle for the Cats this season.Early in season but Kentucky has neither a good post game or good perimeter shooting at this point. With that combination there are going to have to count on their defense to create offense ... and seeing that the style of defense is new, that will take time.

cincy jacket
11-08-2007, 11:30 AM
Can I still blame Tubby for this? That was sad last night. UK acted like they had never seen a backdoor cut in their lives. I would love to be in on one of their practices the next 2 weeks. Over/Under on how long either Bradley or Crawford last this season at Jan 25th.

WMR
11-08-2007, 11:44 AM
Can I still blame Tubby for this? That was sad last night. UK acted like they had never seen a backdoor cut in their lives. I would love to be in on one of their practices the next 2 weeks. Over/Under on how long either Bradley or Crawford last this season at Jan 25th.

"In on" as in an observer and not a participant, I assume? :laugh:

I wonder if it is prudent to practice these boys as hard as Billy is on game days considering how super-thin our bench is...

BRM
11-08-2007, 11:51 AM
WilyMo, I tried to tell you Mike Davis was the right hire for you guys but you wouldn't listen. No way Gameday Davis loses to Gardner-Webb. ;)

Chip R
11-08-2007, 11:52 AM
Kentucky got beat by a law firm?

WMR
11-08-2007, 11:53 AM
WilyMo, I tried to tell you Mike Davis was the right hire for you guys but you wouldn't listen. No way Gameday Davis loses to Gardner Webb. ;)

:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

Tubby got out while the gettin' was good. It's going to take Billy G time to right the ship and install his system.

Imagine if we DIDN'T have Legion or Patterson??? :eek:

dabvu2498
11-08-2007, 11:58 AM
Imagine if we DIDN'T have Legion or Patterson??? :eek:

You mean Tubby's two recruits? :D

BRM
11-08-2007, 11:59 AM
You mean Tubby's two recruits? :D

:thumbup:

Nicely done. Were they actually Tubby's?

WMR
11-08-2007, 12:02 PM
You mean Tubby's two recruits? :D

Patterson wasn't even on the radar till Billy G was hired.

BRM
11-08-2007, 12:07 PM
Patterson wasn't even on the radar till Billy G was hired.

That's what he wants you to think.

dabvu2498
11-08-2007, 12:11 PM
Patterson wasn't even on the radar till Billy G was hired.

Really???

http://www.sportingnews.com/yourturn/viewtopic.php?t=189230

BRM
11-08-2007, 12:13 PM
Really???

http://www.sportingnews.com/yourturn/viewtopic.php?t=189230

Hmmm...interesting.

WMR
11-08-2007, 12:21 PM
Just look at the sequence of events. That's all I'm saying.

Joseph
11-08-2007, 12:24 PM
Patterson wasn't seriously considering Kentucky until Billy G is what Wily Mo is saying.

Kentucky is a school 7 out of 10 top prospects list as a school they want to go to just on reputation, but its like listing, and I hate to admit this but its like a free agent in baseball saying they are considering the Yankees.

joshnky
11-08-2007, 12:26 PM
Patterson wasn't even on the radar till Billy G was hired.

Not according to everything I heard leading up to the firing of Tubby. Patterson and Lucas were both seriously considering UK with Tubby as the coach along with someone else who backed out. The talk following the Tubby dismissal was whether or not a new coach could hold onto the recruiting class Tubby was assembling. Gillespie kept Patterson but lost Lucas, who may not have come anyway. He did score Legion who wasn't on the radar. Maybe thats who you're thinking of.

joshnky
11-08-2007, 12:30 PM
Patterson wasn't seriously considering Kentucky until Billy G is what Wily Mo is saying.

Kentucky is a school 7 out of 10 top prospects list as a school they want to go to just on reputation, but its like listing, and I hate to admit this but its like a free agent in baseball saying they are considering the Yankees.

Agree, but there was more to this courtship.

joshnky
11-08-2007, 12:37 PM
From an article on Rivals.com regarding Patterson's recruitment:


It was believed Patterson earlier favored Kentucky but may have wavered when head coach Tubby Smith left after last season for the same position at Minnesota. But Smith's replacement, Billy Gillespie, continued to court Patterson. He was the guest speaker on May 7 at the post-season Highlander basketball banquet attended also by Wildcat assistant coach Jeremy Cox.


I also found similar articles in the databases for the Courier-Journal and Kentucky Democrat. Gillespie did a good job of holding the class together and substituting Legion for Lucas but it likely would have been a good and similar class if Tubby would have stayed.

Blame Tubby if you want but the 2007 recruiting class was primarily his work.

dabvu2498
11-08-2007, 12:40 PM
Legion had signed with Michigan, but was granted a release after Amaker was fired.

I give Gillespie credit for the actual signing of Patterson, but to say Tubby didn't grease the wheels for UK is a bit disingenuous.

BUTLER REDSFAN
11-08-2007, 12:43 PM
I don't really follow basketball that much but is it just me or does Kentucky lose a "Shocking" game in the 1st week or 2 of the season and then only lose once or twice the rest of the season every year?

dabvu2498
11-08-2007, 12:48 PM
I don't really follow basketball that much but is it just me or does Kentucky lose a "Shocking" game in the 1st week or 2 of the season and then only lose once or twice the rest of the season every year?

Ahhhh... those were the good ole days.

Falls City Beer
11-08-2007, 12:50 PM
I don't really follow basketball that much but is it just me or does Kentucky lose a "Shocking" game in the 1st week or 2 of the season and then only lose once or twice the rest of the season every year?

It happens to a lot of good teams in the early going, not just UK. Teams haven't jelled, etc. Yeah, it sucks for UK fans, but really, it may not mean a thing in February.

MartyFan
11-08-2007, 12:56 PM
I was just licking my wounds from the Basketball buckeyes being beat by Findlay...then I saw UK's score...OUCH!!!!

Of course The Buckeyes have all new starters...and UK has a new coach so both losses could be chalked up to putting into practice what has been being taught in the gym.

TeamSelig
11-08-2007, 01:02 PM
If you guys think Tubby would have landed Patterson, then you are CRAZY. He was on the list, but he was almost guaranteed to go to Florida/Duke before BG.

We were on the list because we have a well known basketball school near WV, and he liked Rupp Arena.

macro
11-08-2007, 02:15 PM
I don't really follow basketball that much but is it just me or does Kentucky lose a "Shocking" game in the 1st week or 2 of the season and then only lose once or twice the rest of the season every year?

In recent seasons, they've lost a shocking game in the first week or two of the season and then lost 11 or 12 times the rest of the season.

flyer85
11-08-2007, 02:19 PM
The reason Tubby left was due to a lack of recruiting success. I don't think anyone ever really complained about his ability to prepare and coach a team.

Until Billy can transition the team to his type of players there are going to be bumps along the way.

WMR
11-08-2007, 02:23 PM
In recent seasons, they've lost a shocking game in the first week or two of the season and then lost 11 or 12 times the rest of the season.

:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

joshnky
11-08-2007, 04:52 PM
If you guys think Tubby would have landed Patterson, then you are CRAZY. He was on the list, but he was almost guaranteed to go to Florida/Duke before BG.

We were on the list because we have a well known basketball school near WV, and he liked Rupp Arena.

Then there was a lot of crazy people out there. Many scouting services had him pegged for UK before Tubby left.

TeamSelig
11-08-2007, 04:59 PM
Florida was the expected front runner.

He wasn't "pegged" for anywhere, he never listed his #1. As for Lucas, he stated that he wanted to follow Patterson, but he committed too early and picked Florida (where he thought PP would go)

dabvu2498
11-08-2007, 05:40 PM
The reason Tubby left was due to a lack of recruiting success. I don't think anyone ever really complained about his ability to prepare and coach a team.


Not sure I can agree with that. Tubbster outrecruited Kevin Stallings but couldn't find a way to beat the Dores the last couple years. :D

Blimpie
11-08-2007, 07:24 PM
It happens to a lot of good teams in the early going, not just UK. Teams haven't jelled, etc. Yeah, it sucks for UK fans, but really, it may not mean a thing in February.I am not worried. From where I stand, all that matters is three weeks in March.

jmac
11-08-2007, 10:54 PM
In recent seasons, they've lost a shocking game in the first week or two of the season and then lost 11 or 12 times the rest of the season.

I have a feelin the football cats may spend more weeks in the top 25 this season than the basketball cats.

WVRed
11-08-2007, 10:55 PM
I am not worried. From where I stand, all that matters is three weeks in March.

What I like is that there is two weeks before Kentucky plays again. Plenty of time for Billy Clyde to run them to death before they take the hardwood.

jmac
11-08-2007, 11:01 PM
I am not worried. From where I stand, all that matters is three weeks in March.

I am not worried but realistic.Billy G will get the most out of them he can but he just doesnt have a lot to work with, "yet" !
One good thing is Meeks will come around (you got to think so anyway) and Legion has a nice shot. Patterson is a gem. Crawford/Bradley will have their good spurts as well as spending bench time for lack of defense/concentration/leadership etc.
The cats schedule has several "wins" but problem is, last night was supposed to be one.

Gainesville Red
11-09-2007, 12:23 AM
I think Patterson's going to be great. I (and most down here) was sure he was heading to UF.

Boston Red
11-09-2007, 10:34 AM
I am not worried. From where I stand, all that matters is three weeks in March.

Considering the type of season UK is expected to have (average at best), losses to Gardner Webb on the resume can keep you out of the big show in March.

TeamSelig
11-09-2007, 10:39 AM
I think I read on a wildcat forum that he said something along the lines of going to UF until the morning of the announcement, and had a change of heart because he didn't want to uproot his family or something like that. Not sure if that was true or not.

cumberlandreds
11-09-2007, 10:41 AM
The talent base at UK is as poor as I have seen since when Pitino first arrived in 1989. Patterson,Legion and Meeks are top flight players,just very young. Bradley and Crawford could be in that same category but they have never learned to spell team without spelling it with an I. Most everyone looks like role players at best. The scary part is that the duo of last season of Bobby Perry and Sheray Thomas at PF are better than the current duo BG is using,Stevenson/Coury. This may be a long season for us UK fans with some pretty good beatings coming up at the hands of UNC,IU,UL and some other teams in the SEC. I believe BG will bring the talent level up to UK standards. It's just going to take a couple more of them to do it.

jmac
11-09-2007, 02:02 PM
Bradley and Crawford could be in that same category but they have never learned to spell team without spelling it with an I.
I believe BG will bring the talent level up to UK standards. It's just going to take a couple more of them to do it.

You hit the nail on the head with Bradley/Crawford. It is sort of ironic how Tubby didnt get many "big" recruiting classes in and then the one he did (rondo, morris,bradley,crawford) helped lead to his demise because of their one on one mentality.

cumberlandreds
11-09-2007, 02:19 PM
You hit the nail on the head with Bradley/Crawford. It is sort of ironic how Tubby didnt get many "big" recruiting classes in and then the one he did (rondo, morris,bradley,crawford) helped lead to his demise because of their one on one mentality.


Yep, all four of those guys had the mentality of looking toward the NBA and showcasing their talents instead of playing for team. I said at the time of this recruiting class that it would define Tubby's tenure as Coach at UK. I thought it would define it in a good way but unfortunately it didn't.

jmac
11-10-2007, 11:33 AM
Has anyone been listening to the cats radio broadcasts ? I really enjoy Tom Leach ( though I think he calls a better football game), but Mike Pratt this year has just been atrocious.
He talks sooo slow and many times it takes him entirely too long to make a point. Tom almost has to cut him off to get back to the action. Pratt hasnt been great in the past but he is even worse this season it appears.

joshnky
11-10-2007, 12:45 PM
Has anyone been listening to the cats radio broadcasts ? I really enjoy Tom Leach ( though I think he calls a better football game), but Mike Pratt this year has just been atrocious.
He talks sooo slow and many times it takes him entirely too long to make a point. Tom almost has to cut him off to get back to the action. Pratt hasnt been great in the past but he is even worse this season it appears.

I haven't heard the Cats on the radio this year but I can remember listening in the past and joking about how you could listen for thirty minutes and never here the score. Not sure if thats still the case but it was irritating then.

WVRed
11-11-2007, 10:32 AM
This is speculation I heard yesterday, but I thought it made sense.

If anybody noticed the previous three games, Gillispie played the game pretty much in control, ripping players and benching the troublemakers. In the game against Gardner Webb, he more or less laughed it off and let them do what they wanted.

Question: Do you think Gillispie intentionally handed over the reigns to the players so they could win or lose on their own? The loss wasn't pretty, but if this is true, it could have served a purpose in humiliating some of the egos on the team.

WMR
11-11-2007, 12:46 PM
Hmmm... I think that's a very interesting take on things. Judging by his facial expression and body language, it seems plausible. Especially considering the minutes that he gave to Crawford and Bradley.

WMR
11-11-2007, 01:01 PM
And then after the game he took full responsibility. Great way to get everybody behind the coach and fully establish who the boss is and who everyone should be listening to.

George Foster
11-11-2007, 11:05 PM
And then after the game he took full responsibility. Great way to get everybody behind the coach and fully establish who the boss is and who everyone should be listening to.

He did not seem that upset about not going to New York. He has complained for weeks about the lack of practice time before all the games started. He hated that the pre-season games started so early. I'm not saying he coached to lose but now that they are not going to New York, he has 13 days before the next game and a lot of practice time. I think his mentality is "lose the battle and win the war". The New York tournament means nothing, and I think his reasoning is that the 13 days off is more valuable than time away from class and hard practices.

Blimpie
11-14-2007, 07:31 PM
In case you had not heard, Jodie Meeks will be on the shelf for 4-6 weeks with a groin injury. Sounds like running the stairs at Rupp Arena on game days is not all that is was cracked out to be...

...Oh yeah, and today Chris Singleton chose Free Shoes University over UK.

Other than that, it has been a wonderfully rainy day in the Bluegrass.

WMR
11-14-2007, 07:34 PM
In case you had not heard, Jodie Meeks will be on the shelf for 4-6 weeks with a groin injury. Sounds like running the stairs at Rupp Arena on game days is not all that is was cracked out to be...

...Oh yeah, and today Chris Singleton chose Free Shoes University over UK.

Other than that, it has been a wonderfully rainy day in the Bluegrass.

Liberty licking their chops? :eek:

Blimpie
11-14-2007, 07:42 PM
Liberty licking their chops? :eek:Well, I dunno. Let's just try to recap the point guard scenario:

1. Jasper will likely become a redshirt due to his micro-fracture
2. Porter craps his pants when he brings the ball up court past the mid-stripe
3. Bradley, for the 4th straight year, will be forced to demonstrate that he does not grasp the concept of distribution into the low post

Have I missed anything?

WMR
11-14-2007, 07:45 PM
Where have ye gone, Brandon Stockton?

WMR
11-14-2007, 07:47 PM
Let's play a point-forward with Patterson.

Blimpie
11-14-2007, 07:49 PM
Where have ye gone, Brandon Stockton?At this point, I would be happy to investigate the remaining eligibility of a 32 year old Anthony Epps.

I am not kidding even a little bit.

WMR
11-14-2007, 07:52 PM
At this point, I would be happy to investigate the remaining eligibility of a 32 year old Anthony Epps.

I am not kidding even a little bit.

Maybe making Crawford the point-guard would FORCE him to pass the ball. He might be the best option at this point, as crazy as that is. I think he'd be less turnover prone than Bradley.

Blimpie
11-14-2007, 07:59 PM
Maybe making Crawford the point-guard would FORCE him to pass the ball. He might be the best option at this point, as crazy as that is. I think he'd be less turnover prone than Bradley.Maybe turnovers won't be the biggest problem for Bradley these days...

That is, if you believe some reports coming from the practice facility today. Namely, that Ramel Bradley has injured an ankle and has been placed in a boot for precautionary reasons.

Folks, I couldn't make this stuff up if I tried.

The way things are shaping up, the dreaded UNC-Louisville-Indiana trifecta could end up uglier than a mud fence.

WMR
11-14-2007, 08:05 PM
Are you serious???? :eek:

Blimpie
11-14-2007, 11:01 PM
Are you serious???? :eek:Yeppers. While it has been reported in other blogs, Bradley did not get mentioned in today's Billy Clyde presser:


From UK athletics….

Head Coach Billy Gillispie

Opening Comments…
“We are really excited about the two guys that we added today. They are guys we were interested since we got here. I worked very diligently to get those guys on board so I am really excited about getting these two guys to come play Kentucky basketball. They are good players. It is always good to get guys that are close to home, but not for that reason. I think every single school would like to get guys that are close to home, but we don’t recruit guys just because they are from a particular state, but because they are good and Darius (Miller) (from Maysville, Ky.) is really good.”

On Darius Miller…
“I think Darius is a tremendous athlete. He can do anything. He has been very well coached and very well taught. His dad was a really good player. I don’t want to brag on him to much. He still plays all the time with him. He has great knowledge and he is tough. The tougher the game, the better he is. He can score from the perimeter and he can really shoot the three. He can drive it to 15 feet and jump over a defender because of his size. He has great athletic ability and he is tough enough to get inside to get some of those baskets. You could not draw up two better players for me than he and DeAndre (Liggins).”

On DeAndre Liggins…
“Both of them have great versatility. DeAndre is a guy who can initiate offense. He is going to be a tremendous ball-pressure defender, as Darius can be as well. These guys are basketball players. They have things that they need to continue to work just like everyone else does but are great basketball players. They have great feel for the game and they have great understanding of the game. They work hard and I think that gives you great versatility when you have guys like that on your roster.”

On the signings…
“This is a great day for us. I am really excited about today. These guys are really good players but they are better people and I am really excited about that. Their families are excited about being a part of Kentucky basketball. There is not a sigh of relief about what it means to the team right now, but as far as the future holds it is very, very exciting.”

On losing exposure because of not in NYC…
“We need to be playing because it would mean we won our last game. You always want to try and win every single game you play. We like the exposure. That is one of the many things that is special about Kentucky and will continue.”

On why Gillispie wanted these players…
“The reason you are attracted to players is because they are good. I think that in both of their cases they are very unselfish players. Maybe sometimes they defer a little too much for me, but I think I can get these guys to continue to be unselfish and be a little more aggressive. They are really good team guys who like to win, and want to win, and they do win. They will give us great versatility once they get on campus.”

On the feeling early on whether Darius wanted to come to Kentucky…
“It is extremely difficult to recruit really good players; both of these guys are great players. There is great competition to get guys that have the kind of things that they have. I was happy to get their signatures today and I look forward to coaching them once they get here.”

On DeAndre’s game…
“He is versatile, very unselfish and he can handle the basketball. He will continue to work on his shooting. Although he is not a great shooter, we will work on his shot. He knows how to win and is very competitive. He is long and athletic. We are off to a very good start.”

On Jodie Meeks’ injury…
“It is tough, very tough. We have had more than our share of injuries. Things happen and hopefully we will get all of them done. We look forward to getting healthy and hope we don’t have any more. They told me this morning that (Meeks’ recovery time) normally takes 4-6 weeks, but it doesn’t mean that (Meeks) will. They told me yesterday that it was a stress fracture and I’m sure that has been well publicized. He got hit during the Seattle game and he was ok on Sunday but sore. He came back on Monday and felt better then. On Tuesday he was better and played, then he played in the game and you could tell he was not right and he hasn’t practiced since that time. At first they thought it was an abdominal pull, so they checked for him for a hernia and a lot of different things. They finally gave him a MRI and realized it was a stress fracture. To fill his position you have to get tough and find a way to make it right. It is not the easiest thing to do but we don’t have a bunch of alternatives. Any injuries to the core area are tough. Sometimes you can’t even move your body a certain way, he has a strong pain tolerance and a strong desire to play and is very team oriented. He wants to be out there; if they didn’t diagnosis him with a stress fracture then he would have probably been out there because he wants to be out there with his teammates. We will do the things the doctors tell us to and have to be patient until he comes back. He is anxious and knows that his teammates need him but when you are injured you can’t do anything about it and your hands are tied.”

On Derrick Jasper…
“He has not practiced for a long time. They say he will be able to do some running on the court in a couple of weeks. They say it is normal for his type of injury. The doctors will have to test him to see if he is totally healed and if everything is healing properly and done properly. After that you just go from there and hope everything is ok. I haven’t thought about him not playing at all this year.”

On recruiting certain positions…
“We are going after players and those two certainly fill that need and that is what I want, players. We are a long way down the road before we start saying, ‘We have to have this, or that. We have to fill spots on our rosters to say this is our only need.’ We are trying to recruit players.”

On improvement in practice…
“They have been trying all year long. Every coach wants every practice to be perfect but they have tried to do what I ask them to do since day one. They are trying to play together and it is not that easy to do that even though it sounds easy. I think we have major improvement since that time and we have a long way to go, but I think we will get there

WMR
11-14-2007, 11:07 PM
So the injury DIDN'T occur as a result from practice or did it? (to Meeks)

How highly lauded were these two players? What "star" recruit were they? Who else wanted them? How big are they? What position? I assume they'll be freshmen next season?

jmac
11-15-2007, 12:01 AM
So the injury DIDN'T occur as a result from practice or did it? (to Meeks)

How highly lauded were these two players? What "star" recruit were they? Who else wanted them? How big are they? What position? I assume they'll be freshmen next season?

Darius Miller is a prize recruit.
They lost out on Singleton which as one report put it, kept UK recruiting class as top 20 rather than top 10 if Singleton signed.
Meeks supposedly suffered the injury in the exhibition game where he scored 30 something points.
Apparently this is accurate as his jump shot suffered greatly after that from not being able to push off very well.
With Meeks out 4-6 weeks = ouch !

TeamSelig
11-15-2007, 01:59 PM
:(

WVRed
11-22-2007, 05:33 PM
On a positive note, Kentucky did beat Liberty last night 80-54 behind a 23 point, 10 rebound performance by Patrick Patterson.

I loved the part where Gillispie told Patterson, who is normally very laid back, to start being " mean" and the next play Patterson responded with a thunderous dunk. 2Pat is going to be special.

WMR
11-22-2007, 07:54 PM
On a positive note, Kentucky did beat Liberty last night 80-54 behind a 23 point, 10 rebound performance by Patrick Patterson.

I loved the part where Gillispie told Patterson, who is normally very laid back, to start being " mean" and the next play Patterson responded with a thunderous dunk. 2Pat is going to be special.

HELLZ YEAH.

AND, my "NEAT-O STAT OF THE NIGHT" was 18 assists on 29 made baskets.

I LOVE seeing the Cats play unselfish basketball along with the style that Billy G is advocating, it makes me think of Pitino's teams. JUST WAIT TILL WE GET PLENTY OF HORSES. :D

George Foster
11-22-2007, 09:00 PM
HELLZ YEAH.

AND, my "NEAT-O STAT OF THE NIGHT" was 18 assists on 29 made baskets.

I LOVE seeing the Cats play unselfish basketball along with the style that Billy G is advocating, it makes me think of Pitino's teams. JUST WAIT TILL WE GET PLENTY OF HORSES. :D

I was at the game last night. I think Billy has resigned himself to the fact that without Meeks, Crawford has to play....alot.

AJ Stewart and Legion has to play as well. KY's "inside out" defense leaves a lot to be desired. Liberty missed a lot of wide open 3's.

My wife and I ate dinner in Lexington on Tuesday night and Billy was in the Bar eating supper....he was drinking Ice Tea....

I talked to the Valet outside the resturant and he said that Billy eats there 4 nights a week. "Since the season started, he's driving himself home." Which I assumed meant that he's on the wagon. Good news.

WMR
11-22-2007, 09:11 PM
Where did you eat?

WMR
11-22-2007, 09:12 PM
You're positive those Iced Teas weren't of the Long Island variety, GF? :laugh:

George Foster
11-24-2007, 12:50 AM
Where did you eat?

Merrick Inn. Nice place.

Blimpie
11-24-2007, 10:39 AM
Merrick Inn. Nice place.I was just there for Happy Hour a few weeks ago. With the $$$ they just put into their back patio, I could eat in their bar 3-4 nights a week as well.

HBP
11-27-2007, 08:58 PM
Just now half time of the Stony Brook game. Very strange but surprisingly effective lineup out there for awhile tonight.

Patterson - Fr.
Leigon - Fr.
Stevenson - So.
Porter - So.
Harris - So. but really a Fr.

A lineup like that will struggle against teams like UNC, but they handle themselves well without the seniors or the more talented sophs.

WMR
11-27-2007, 09:50 PM
Interesting, HBP.

I really hate to say it... this weekend against UNC could be really ugly.

HBP
11-27-2007, 11:39 PM
Well, after my statement, that group played horrible in the 2nd.

Yep, the UNC game won't be pretty - for UK anyway. Meeks is a big time loss and they were talking like he'll be out for an extended period. Patterson is everything I thought and more though so far.

jmac
11-28-2007, 12:04 AM
Well, after my statement, that group played horrible in the 2nd.

Yep, the UNC game won't be pretty - for UK anyway. Meeks is a big time loss and they were talking like he'll be out for an extended period. Patterson is everything I thought and more though so far.
Can you imagine how exciting this team would be to watch "without" Patterson now that Meeks is out ? Answer ..not very.
BTW... Stoneybrook was 0-5 before tonight.

WVRed
11-28-2007, 12:08 AM
Well, after my statement, that group played horrible in the 2nd.

Yep, the UNC game won't be pretty - for UK anyway. Meeks is a big time loss and they were talking like he'll be out for an extended period. Patterson is everything I thought and more though so far.

I'm really starting to form an opinion on Gillispie that some may doubt, but this game tonight and the Gardner Webb game have really stood out for me.

Tonight, Ramel Bradley was benched most of the game and Michael Porter was running the point. Not only did Porter not score a point, but he also had more turnovers(5), than assists(4). Needless to say, I think Gillispie left him out there in order to serve two purposes.

1.Light a fire out of Bradley.

2.Let Porter stay in the game until he either 1.does something right, or 2.transfers.

For those who haven't followed much, Michael Porter is Gillispie's favorite whipping boy in practice. It might be a cruel approach, but I think it works. Porter will either shape up or ship out.

Another example IMO is the Gardner Webb game. If anybody noticed, Gillispie played a very hands off game that night and in a way, this is how i'm imagining how things went in the Kentucky locker room.

"All right boys, i'll let you run the game however you want. If you guys win, i'll (resign or fill in the blank here), but if you fall flat on your faces tonight, I will run you to death for the next two weeks in practice."

The mannerisms more or less showed it for me. I know people say Gillispie hates losing, but nobody, whether it be Tubby Smith or Coach K, could win with this team, and I think Gillispie knows it and is trying to change the whole mindset of the team.

I just hope Kentucky fans can learn to be patient.(I know that will get some laughs).

jmac
11-28-2007, 12:12 AM
Just now half time of the Stony Brook game. Very strange but surprisingly effective lineup out there for awhile tonight.

Patterson - Fr.
Leigon - Fr.
Stevenson - So.
Porter - So.
Harris - So. but really a Fr.

A lineup like that will struggle against teams like UNC, but they handle themselves well without the seniors or the more talented sophs.

One thing about Billy G, is doesnt care to sit players or not play them at all. I have a feeling Crawford will spend more time in the doghouse than Snoopy ever did. Just a hunch!

WMR
11-28-2007, 12:24 AM
A.J. = 0 minutes tonight

WMR
11-28-2007, 12:24 AM
I'm really starting to form an opinion on Gillispie that some may doubt, but this game tonight and the Gardner Webb game have really stood out for me.

Tonight, Ramel Bradley was benched most of the game and Michael Porter was running the point. Not only did Porter not score a point, but he also had more turnovers(5), than assists(4). Needless to say, I think Gillispie left him out there in order to serve two purposes.

1.Light a fire out of Bradley.

2.Let Porter stay in the game until he either 1.does something right, or 2.transfers.

For those who haven't followed much, Michael Porter is Gillispie's favorite whipping boy in practice. It might be a cruel approach, but I think it works. Porter will either shape up or ship out.

Another example IMO is the Gardner Webb game. If anybody noticed, Gillispie played a very hands off game that night and in a way, this is how i'm imagining how things went in the Kentucky locker room.

"All right boys, i'll let you run the game however you want. If you guys win, i'll (resign or fill in the blank here), but if you fall flat on your faces tonight, I will run you to death for the next two weeks in practice."

The mannerisms more or less showed it for me. I know people say Gillispie hates losing, but nobody, whether it be Tubby Smith or Coach K, could win with this team, and I think Gillispie knows it and is trying to change the whole mindset of the team.

I just hope Kentucky fans can learn to be patient.(I know that will get some laughs).

That's what I said, WV.

WMR
11-28-2007, 12:26 AM
How do you know about what goes on in practices, WV?

Matt700wlw
11-28-2007, 12:35 AM
I guess it wasn't pretty?

They won, but UC won yesterday too and it wasn't pretty...and I don't think it's going to get pretty anytime soon, unfortunately

George Foster
11-28-2007, 01:46 AM
I got back from the game about 10pm....it was sad.

Most of the guys I was setting around don't really understand what Billy G is doing right now. He started A.J. on Sat, then tonight he did not play at all. What is that?

The 20 turnovers is the most depressing part.

This season is at a crossroads.

Javy Pornstache
11-28-2007, 02:00 AM
I'm really starting to form an opinion on Gillispie that some may doubt, but this game tonight and the Gardner Webb game have really stood out for me.

Tonight, Ramel Bradley was benched most of the game and Michael Porter was running the point. Not only did Porter not score a point, but he also had more turnovers(5), than assists(4). Needless to say, I think Gillispie left him out there in order to serve two purposes.

1.Light a fire out of Bradley.

2.Let Porter stay in the game until he either 1.does something right, or 2.transfers.

For those who haven't followed much, Michael Porter is Gillispie's favorite whipping boy in practice. It might be a cruel approach, but I think it works. Porter will either shape up or ship out.

Another example IMO is the Gardner Webb game. If anybody noticed, Gillispie played a very hands off game that night and in a way, this is how i'm imagining how things went in the Kentucky locker room.

"All right boys, i'll let you run the game however you want. If you guys win, i'll (resign or fill in the blank here), but if you fall flat on your faces tonight, I will run you to death for the next two weeks in practice."

The mannerisms more or less showed it for me. I know people say Gillispie hates losing, but nobody, whether it be Tubby Smith or Coach K, could win with this team, and I think Gillispie knows it and is trying to change the whole mindset of the team.

I just hope Kentucky fans can learn to be patient.(I know that will get some laughs).

You are correct on all fronts. More UK fans are patient than we get credit for as a group, but the ones that aren't REALLY need to realize the mess Billy Gillispie has inherited. It doesn't get cleaned up from top-to-bottom overnight, over a few weeks, or even months. We just need to hope to clearly progress positively as the season wears on, and consider it a success if they do that. Gillisipie will have plenty of time to put his winning stamp on this team; patience is key this year.

cumberlandreds
11-28-2007, 08:43 AM
A.J. = 0 minutes tonight

According to reports AJ fell asleep in a team meeting. Not the way to impress your coach. I'm resigned to a long season. Probably a losing one. The dearth of talent is as poor since Sutton's last season and we know how that turned out. The UNC game will be ugly. Unless Williams feels sorry for us it could be as bad as the 1989 Kansas game. In case you don't remember Kansas won that one 150-95 and Williams was the coach then too.

durl
11-28-2007, 10:35 AM
Tubby's recruits aren't looking too good. I'm resigned to the thought that it will be a VERY long season for the Cats. It's going to take BG time to get some good talent in here and get them ready to play.


Unless Williams feels sorry for us it could be as bad as the 1989 Kansas game.

I go on the record now and say that Williams will in NO WAY feel sorry for Kentucky. He'll run the score up as high as he can. If Kentucky loses by less than 20 I'll be surprised.

TeamSelig
11-28-2007, 10:42 AM
Hmm... I didn't realize BG was so manipulative. Not really in a bad way, and thats probably not the word I want to use. Seems like he is proving a point to a player in every game. I wonder if the team really respected him much in the beginning?

Or maybe everyone is reading into these things too much.

WVRed
11-28-2007, 11:46 AM
How do you know about what goes on in practices, WV?

I have been reading it on other forums. Check out Kentucky Ink sometime, it is probably the best UK forum out there. Gillispie runs what he calls "the wall" where a player pretty much stays if he gets beat on plays. That is what I have read has been Michael Porter's new home.

As far as AJ falling asleep, not only was he benched, but Gillispie made him explain at a post game press conference why he was benched.

http://johnclay.typepad.com/sidelines/


It was an odd post-game scene last night after UK's 62-52 win over Stony Brook. A.J. Stewart, the freshman from Jacksonville who started Saturday against Texas Southern, never saw the floor. When asked why not, UK coach Billy Gillispie informed the media that Stewart would be out later to explain what happened.

And Stewart did appear, saying he was held out for disciplinary reasons. When reporters ran out of questions, and with other UK players coming into the interview area, Stewart tried to leave. But he was brought back and assigned one of the director's chairs UK uses for the players to sit in during interviews. During a second round of questions, Stewart revealed that he had fallen asleep, or "nodded off" as he put it, during a team meeting.

Few coaches would have handed the situation this way. Most would have said the matter was "internal," or given the real reason themselves. Instead, Gillispie made the freshman face the music himself. Not only did Stewart not get to play in the game, he had to explain the reason himself.

On the one hand, you could say that Billy G. was making the player accountable for his actions. Chances are, considering the public embarrassment, neither Stewart nor another player will fall asleep in a meeting anytime soon. On the other hand, you could argue that Gilllispie needlessly embarrassed a freshman who made a rookie mistake.

What do you think of how Gillispie handled the situation?

WMR
11-28-2007, 11:48 AM
I'm fine with it.

You're either going to do things Billy's way or hit the highway. :lol:

WMR
11-28-2007, 11:49 AM
What's the link for Kentucky Ink, WV?

BRM
11-28-2007, 11:49 AM
I can't wait for Dec. 8th. This thread may get very entertaining in the days leading up to that date. :)

WMR
11-28-2007, 11:50 AM
Do you think he really wants Porter to transfer? Who are some of his other favorite whipping boys? I could see him riding Jared Carter really hard for some reason. :lol:

I'm sure I'll bemoan the losses that are sure to come this season, but, overall, as Javy said, I am already giving Billy G. a mulligan for whatever becomes of this season.

I'm more interested in this season to observe how he handles this team and molds these characters into what he wants. :laugh:

WMR
11-28-2007, 11:51 AM
I can't wait for Dec. 8th. This thread may get very entertaining in the days leading up to that date. :)

Eric Gordon played himself a hell of a ballgame last night.

WVRed
11-28-2007, 11:54 AM
What's the link for Kentucky Ink, WV?

http://www.kentuckyink.com/index.php?option=com_wrapper&Itemid=161

BRM
11-28-2007, 11:58 AM
Eric Gordon played himself a hell of a ballgame last night.

He plays out of control at times but he's looked pretty good overall. Well, except for the Xavier game.

WMR
11-28-2007, 12:02 PM
OT: Have they prognosticated who we'll play in a bowl and what bowl we're going to?

WMR
11-28-2007, 12:03 PM
He plays out of control at times but he's looked pretty good overall. Well, except for the Xavier game.


I passed a pre-paid cell phone store the other day, BRM, and I thought of you. :)

BRM
11-28-2007, 12:04 PM
I passed a pre-paid cell phone store the other day, BRM, and I thought of you. :)

You're a riot.

WMR
11-28-2007, 12:07 PM
You're a riot.

C'mon that's when you tell me every time you see Gardner Webb on the ESPN bottomline you can't help but smile a little bit.

BRM
11-28-2007, 12:14 PM
C'mon that's when you tell me every time you see Gardner Webb on the ESPN bottomline you can't help but smile a little bit.

Well, I do. :)

My buddy (IU fan) just emailed me and told me he's got lower level tickets to the UK/UAB game at Freedom Hall. His wife is a UK fan so it's a win-win for him. He says his wife gets to cheer on her Cats and he gets to heckle Mike Davis for 2 hours.

WMR
11-28-2007, 12:15 PM
Well, I do. :)

My buddy (IU fan) just emailed me and told me he's got lower level tickets to the UK/UAB game at Freedom Hall. His wife is a UK fan so it's a win-win for him. He says his wife gets to cheer on her Cats and he gets to heckle Mike Davis for 2 hours.

aaaaaahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah

BRM that gave me one of the best chuckles I've had in a while.

That's good stuff.

Poor Mike Davis. :lol: :lol: :lol:

BRM
11-28-2007, 12:20 PM
I'm sure he'll throw a few Robert Vaden's way as well.

My buddy is in an interesting spot. He's a lifelong Hoosier fan but he's a U of L grad. He's a big fan of both now. I'm not sure what he does if the two ever play each other. Throw in the fact that his wife is a UK fan and his house is a fun place to be through the fall and winter.

WMR
11-28-2007, 12:22 PM
I'm sure he'll throw a few Robert Vaden's way as well.

My buddy is in an interesting spot. He's a lifelong Hoosier fan but he's a U of L grad. He's a big fan of both now. I'm not sure what he does if the two ever play each other. Throw in the fact that his wife is a UK fan and his house is a fun place to be through the fall and winter.

Jeez I imagine so! I was about to comment on being a staunch IU fan married to a UK supporter. That has to be interesting!!

So he gets the opportunity to either rub his wife's nose in it good twice a year or have it given back to him. :lol: Or maybe some years he goes .500. :laugh:

BRM
11-28-2007, 12:25 PM
Yeah, he had a bittersweet year in football. The Cards were disappointing but the Hoosiers had their best year in over a decade. The Cats resurgence didn't help any though. ;)

I got to hang out with them a couple of weeks ago when I made a weekend stop in southern Indiana. He and his wife are fun to listen to when they get to talking about basketball.

Blimpie
11-28-2007, 09:24 PM
OT: Have they prognosticated who we'll play in a bowl and what bowl we're going to?ESPN has a split decision among their prognosticators regarding UK's bowl destination:

Gaylord Hotels Music City
(ACC No. 5/6/7 vs. SEC No. 6/7) Florida State vs.
Kentucky

OR

PetroSun Independence
(SEC No. 8 vs. Big 12 No. 7) Kentucky vs.
Texas A&M

FOXSPORTS says:

Petro Sun Independence Bowl
Dec. 30 / 8 p.m. Shreveport, La. ESPN
Tie-Ins: Big 12 No. 7 vs. SEC No. 8
Projection: Colorado vs. Kentucky

CNNSI says:

Dec. 31 Music City Kentucky (SEC) vs. Florida State (ACC)

WMR
11-28-2007, 10:09 PM
I want Florida State.

What a scalp on the belt that would be.

macro
11-29-2007, 09:44 AM
I agree, wilyMo. Playing Florida State would make the disappointment of going back to Nashville a little easier to take.

BRM
11-29-2007, 10:18 AM
What a scalp on the belt that would be.

For the Seminoles...

:p:

Blimpie
11-30-2007, 08:46 AM
For the Seminoles...

:p:This could be the poorest FSU team in two decades. I like UK's chances if they meet.

TeamSelig
12-01-2007, 04:15 PM
We are staying in there vs UNC, but I dont know how long that will last in the 2nd half.

Random observations:
- Curry is probably the worst player I've ever seen
- Seem a little confused on offense
- Seem a little slow on D

Can't imagine how bad we would be w/o PP

WMR
12-01-2007, 04:16 PM
Coury is pathetic.

I DON'T THINK WE'VE ATTEMPTED A SINGLE FOUL SHOT.

HOW MANY HAS UNC TAKEN? B.S.

Javy Pornstache
12-01-2007, 04:25 PM
I'm at work but checking out a gamecast, and according to that, UNC was already in the bonus 5 minutes into the game, and at halftime looks like are 12-12 from the line while UK hasn't attempted one yet.

WMR
12-01-2007, 04:28 PM
UK playing no defense.

WMR
12-01-2007, 04:29 PM
My god Duke V is painful to listen to.

It's a college basketball game, shut the hell up about the freakin' Yankees.

WMR
12-01-2007, 04:32 PM
UK getting NO calls. WHY EVEN PLAY THE GAME IN RUPP????

WMR
12-01-2007, 04:37 PM
Oh well, we knew this was going to happen.

WMR
12-01-2007, 04:38 PM
WITH 14:40 IN THE SECOND HALF UK WILL ATTEMPT THEIR FIRST TWO FOUL SHOTS

That is PATHETIC.

WMR
12-01-2007, 04:43 PM
TURN OVER CITY BABYYYYYYYYyyyyyy

WMR
12-01-2007, 04:43 PM
Ramon Harris has had some absolutely dreadful turn-overs this game. Appears to have a negative basketball IQ.

WMR
12-01-2007, 05:07 PM
JEEZZZZZZ What are the foul comparisons between UK and UNC??? UTTER CRAP.

WMR
12-01-2007, 05:12 PM
My god, HOW many years after Flubby is gone will syncophants like Pukie V be calling him the savior of UK basketball????

His arguments concerning Tubby's "EXCELLENCE" at UK the past 5-6 seasons are laughably weak.

macro
12-01-2007, 05:52 PM
Yep, Vitale is conveniently overlooking the 12 to 13 losses a year they've had the past three or four seasons. He just wants to keep reciting the "averaged 26 wins a season" part.

I don't remember the name of the other guy with Vitale, but he made a few flub comments. One in particular I recall is that, right after halftime, he stated that UNC is undefeated this year when leading at halftime. Given that they're undefeated overall, I think his "fact" would be an obvious assumption.

:laugh:

I hadn't looked at the point spread until a few minutes ago, and was surprised that UK was only an eight-point underdog.

jmac
12-01-2007, 07:18 PM
The obvious part that is going to hurt Ky this season is the ineffective play of the complimentary players. Like today, how many times were shots blocked, bad shots taken or turnovers made by guys like Coury,Porter and Harris. I am not knocking these guys because they are doing their best but they are going to struggle against the better competition.
KY actually did better today than I thought they would against UNC.

WMR
12-01-2007, 07:22 PM
Crawford played well.

Javy Pornstache
12-02-2007, 02:22 AM
My god, HOW many years after Flubby is gone will syncophants like Pukie V be calling him the savior of UK basketball????

His arguments concerning Tubby's "EXCELLENCE" at UK the past 5-6 seasons are laughably weak.

Yup. Old Dickie V sure didn't mind UNC running off Matt Doherty, I don't remember him campaigning against the "crazy" UNC fans for running off a coach who got so many McDonald's All-Americans, and made exactly one Final Four just like the Tub. Oh well.

WMR
12-02-2007, 02:36 AM
He sure used that loud mic of his to bash UK all afternoon.

Senile old man. :rant:

cumberlandreds
12-03-2007, 10:06 AM
Ramon Harris has had some absolutely dreadful turn-overs this game. Appears to have a negative basketball IQ.

Harris a no court sense at all. If this doesn't improve soon I can't ever see him playing much after this season. Porter is the same way. He telegraphs every pass he throws which is very bad for a guard.

cumberlandreds
12-03-2007, 10:07 AM
JEEZZZZZZ What are the foul comparisons between UK and UNC??? UTTER CRAP.

UK will have a lot of games like that this season since they will be much smaller than most teams they play. Don't blame the refs blame poor recruiting by our former coach for this.

WVRed
12-03-2007, 11:18 AM
Yup. Old Dickie V sure didn't mind UNC running off Matt Doherty, I don't remember him campaigning against the "crazy" UNC fans for running off a coach who got so many McDonald's All-Americans, and made exactly one Final Four just like the Tub. Oh well.

Or Mike Davis at Indiana, or Steve Lavin at UCLA...

I think the difference between Doherty and Tubby is that Doherty in his second season at UNC went 8-20. Tubby never had a losing season at Kentucky, but the averaging 25 wins a year part is a little misguided when you consider he had 30 wins his first year, but gradually went down to 22 by his last year.

There was some talk about booing Dick Vitale, but I am glad it didn't happen. This is the way some people view Dickie V

Dick Vitale=sweet old man. Grandfather

UK fans booing sweet old man on TV=reinforces the media's view on Kentucky's fan base.

WMR
12-03-2007, 11:21 AM
He's pretty adept at sticking a knife in the back for a Grandfather.

WMR
12-03-2007, 05:43 PM
FROM FOX SPORTS....


Kentucky coach Billy Gillispie faces his first defection just six games into his tenure.

Wildcats freshman shooting guard Alex Legion has decided to transfer, said sources close to the situation.
According to one source, the move primarily concerned Gillispie — and wasn't about playing time.
"He was told he'd get his release later this week," the source said. "It wasn't about his playing time at all."
Legion has played six games and averaged 6.7 points in 17.5 minutes per game. He played just six minutes in Saturday's loss to North Carolina and finished with seven points, but logged 31 minutes in a game against Liberty last month.
The Detroit native was a consensus Top 50 player in the Class of 2007 (Scout.com, No. 39), so don't be surprised to see Legion wind up in the Big Ten. He signed with Michigan and was let out of his letter of intent by current Michigan coach John Beilein after the coaching change.

joshnky
12-03-2007, 06:45 PM
FROM FOX SPORTS....


Kentucky coach Billy Gillispie faces his first defection just six games into his tenure.

Wildcats freshman shooting guard Alex Legion has decided to transfer, said sources close to the situation.
According to one source, the move primarily concerned Gillispie and wasn't about playing time.
"He was told he'd get his release later this week," the source said. "It wasn't about his playing time at all."
Legion has played six games and averaged 6.7 points in 17.5 minutes per game. He played just six minutes in Saturday's loss to North Carolina and finished with seven points, but logged 31 minutes in a game against Liberty last month.
The Detroit native was a consensus Top 50 player in the Class of 2007 (Scout.com, No. 39), so don't be surprised to see Legion wind up in the Big Ten. He signed with Michigan and was let out of his letter of intent by current Michigan coach John Beilein after the coaching change.

Uh oh... will this knock some of the luster off BillyG's star?

WMR
12-03-2007, 06:48 PM
Uh oh... will this knock some of the luster off BillyG's star?

Hard for me to believe that... the man gets results. 3 time Big 12 coach of the year. He took Legion b/c Legion was available... maybe in a full recruiting year he'd never have recruited Legion b/c he knew the kid couldn't handle what he requires of his players.

Another Michigan pansy???

SeeinRed
12-03-2007, 07:11 PM
Just wanting to poke a little fun at you UK fans. Do all UK players eat their own boogers (http://withleather.com/post.phtml?pk=4486)?

WMR
12-03-2007, 07:16 PM
Just wanting to poke a little fun at you UK fans. Do all UK players eat their own boogers (http://withleather.com/post.phtml?pk=4486)?

I saw that during the game on Saturday, but convinced myself I just saw it incorrectly. :lol:

jmac
12-03-2007, 11:33 PM
Hard for me to believe that... the man gets results. 3 time Big 12 coach of the year. He took Legion b/c Legion was available...
Exactly. Plus this isnt out of the ordinary. A freshman used to being big scorer having to adjust to not having as many shots a game. Or who knows ? Maybe he just got homesick.
As the one poster said, most of us UK fans dont expect Billy G to do wonders with this current roster.
With Jodie Meeks, I felt this team could win 20 games and finish with a pretty good record. Without him, double digits losses seem a certainty. Billy G is playing this year with the hand he was dealt.

WVRed
12-04-2007, 12:12 AM
Ryan Hogan and Michael Bradley(who ended up going in the NBA Draft) transferred after one year of Tubbyball. It happens all the time after a new coach takes over, although I havent seen it much with a player just recruited by the new coach.

I don't think this will be the only transfer either.

Joseph
12-04-2007, 01:38 PM
Jared Carter is rumored to go after the semester.

I still think he's the man, Billy G that is.

As for Legion, you know how rumors go, but his mom apparently didn't like that Billy G cussed a lot in practice.

WMR
12-04-2007, 01:39 PM
Jared Carter is rumored to go after the semester.

I still think he's the man, Billy G that is.

As for Legion, you know how rumors go, but his mom apparently didn't like that Billy G cussed a lot in practice.

Carter is one that I hope exits stage left.

Free up another scholly for Billy G.

cumberlandreds
12-04-2007, 02:51 PM
Lots of rumors flying about players being unhappy with the parents being the main catalyst. Apparently Legion's mother and another players parent,presumably Carter's dad,have been in BG's ear quite a bit lately. Also others may not be very happy being Jasper,Meeks and another one who's name I can't remember. It's not uncommon for players from a previous coach to become unhappy when a new one arrives and I expect a couple of more transfers in the next week or so. Losing Legion though was a little different since he was a BG recruit. But from what I have read Legion's mother is a real wacko and she has great influence over him. So this may work out for the best for all parties. BG should get his team together and just tell them if anyone wants to leave,there's the door,go now. But if you don't go now you are in it for the long haul and expect total commitment. May not be many left but I think you have laid the groundwork for a more stable program in the future and the kids you recruit will know exactly what is expected.

WMR
12-04-2007, 03:06 PM
Lots of rumors flying about players being unhappy with the parents being the main catalyst. Apparently Legion's mother and another players parent,presumably Carter's dad,have been in BG's ear quite a bit lately. Also others may not be very happy being Jasper,Meeks and another one who's name I can't remember. It's not uncommon for players from a previous coach to become unhappy when a new one arrives and I expect a couple of more transfers in the next week or so. Losing Legion though was a little different since he was a BG recruit. But from what I have read Legion's mother is a real wacko and she has great influence over him. So this may work out for the best for all parties. BG should get his team together and just tell them if anyone wants to leave,there's the door,go now. But if you don't go now you are in it for the long haul and expect total commitment. May not be many left but I think you have laid the groundwork for a more stable program in the future and the kids you recruit will know exactly what is expected.

Amen.

One thing about Legion: When Michigan made their coaching change, he decommitted, recomitted, and decommited again. And yes, his mom is a Grade A WACKO. Apparently she was yelling at Billy G throughout the UNC game to play her boy more often. Don't need that. Don't need that at all.

One thing about Legion's recruitment: I'm not sure if he was a "Billy G Guy" as much as the most talented player that was available at the 11th hour when Billy became coach.

cumberlandreds
12-04-2007, 03:27 PM
Amen.

One thing about Legion: When Michigan made their coaching change, he decommitted, recomitted, and decommited again. And yes, his mom is a Grade A WACKO. Apparently she was yelling at Billy G throughout the UNC game to play her boy more often. Don't need that. Don't need that at all.

One thing about Legion's recruitment: I'm not sure if he was a "Billy G Guy" as much as the most talented player that was available at the 11th hour when Billy became coach.


If I were a coach I would give the parent one warning to stop it or your kids scholarship will be gone. It would end one way or another quickly. A coach has enough pressure. He doesn't need hear stupidity coming from the parents.

WMR
12-04-2007, 03:28 PM
If I were a coach I would give the parent one warning to stop it or your kids scholarship will be gone. It would end one way or another quickly. A coach has enough pressure. He doesn't need hear stupidity coming from the parents.

Remember when Ford's dad tried that crap with Pitino? He put a stop to it in about 1 second flat.

A parent saying ANYTHING to a coach at this level is beyond inexcusable.

cumberlandreds
12-04-2007, 03:41 PM
Remember when Ford's dad tried that crap with Pitino? He put a stop to it in about 1 second flat.

A parent saying ANYTHING to a coach at this level is beyond inexcusable.


I don't remember that about Ford. I was were I am now in Northern Virginia without internet at that time. So I couldn't be up on all the rumors back then.

WMR
12-04-2007, 03:46 PM
This is a REALLY great read. The comparison between Acie Law and Alex Legion is striking.

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/college/mensbasketball/big12/2007-02-20-aggies-cover_x.htm

It's sounding more and more from what I am hearing that Alex would have stayed if not for his nut-job mother.

jmac
12-04-2007, 05:30 PM
Carter is one that I hope exits stage left.

Free up another scholly for Billy G.

I think Carter sees he is not Billy G's type of player.

jmac
12-04-2007, 05:32 PM
As for Legion, you know how rumors go, but his mom apparently didn't like that Billy G cussed a lot in practice.

Tell his mother to make sure he doesnt transfer to Texas Tech !

WVRed
12-04-2007, 05:38 PM
Tell his mother to make sure he doesnt transfer to Texas Tech !

There really isn't much difference between Gillispie and Bob Knight from everything I have read. I do think Billy conducts himself better in front of the media.

After reading this article on Legion's mother, I am kinda blaming Gillispie for even recruiting him in the first place.

http://www.kentucky.com/158/story/189453.html

durl
12-04-2007, 06:05 PM
Should we make sure that the "wacko" references and general displeasure towards Legion's mother are due to her eagerness to tell Gillispie how to coach and not to something else?


After reading this article on Legion's mother, I am kinda blaming Gillispie for even recruiting him in the first place.

I'm not sure I see what's in the article that refers to Legion's ability to play ball to the level we'd like to see in Lexington.

WVRed
12-04-2007, 06:33 PM
Should we make sure that the "wacko" references and general displeasure towards Legion's mother are due to her eagerness to tell Gillispie how to coach and not to something else?



I'm not sure I see what's in the article that refers to Legion's ability to play ball to the level we'd like to see in Lexington.

Well, I could have expounded on the fact that he absolutely cannot play defense to save his life, and in order to get any playing time with Gillispie, one has to make an effort in that department. Not to mention with two more players coming in next year who can play defense, are better than Legion, and can play the same position, Legion's writing was on the wall.

Myself, I choose to call her a whacko because she is using religion as a tool to make her son look better. Some examples from the article:


The Almighty steered him to prestigious Detroit Country Day, a private high school that has produced such basketball stars as Chris Webber and Shane Battier. Then the Holy Spirit let it be known that he should transfer to prep school powerhouse Oak Hill Academy for his senior year. Divine intervention brought him to UK, a college he had not been considering.

"I had no clue Kentucky was a basketball school. No clue," Annette Legion said. "But God knew."


"The Lord has shown me: They're going to the Final Four," she said, before adding a qualifier, "providing they play together."


"I have spoken these things into existence," she said. "It's not by accident that my son is here and now the Final Four is in Michigan."


Legion, who also speaks in tongues and says she has a gift for healing, has high hopes for her son. She said he's been blessed to attend fine schools. She expects him to play in the National Basketball Association, then become a prophet.

There has also been talk of Mrs. Legion making comments that they were using UK to "pimp out" her son to the NBA and that he would be a one and done lottery pick. Apparently the whole topic of Legion transferring is a result of the UNC game, where he didn't play very much and the only time he has played this year has been in mop-up duty. Of course, being that she is an "evangelist", i'm sure she wasn't overly ecstatic over Billy Clyde constantly using foul language to get his point across.

I personally hate to see this, since I have personally seen people do these types of things, but not to this extreme. Alex Legion is a very talented kid who has the potential to make himself a great player if he would put forth the effort. I just hope he wises up and puts distance between himself and his mother, because I think she is using him and trying to benefit off of his success. Whatever happens, it is clear a divorce from the Legion family and Kentucky is the best scenario for all involved.

Blimpie
12-04-2007, 06:36 PM
I think Carter sees he is not Billy G's type of player.Perhaps North Carolina still wants him and would like to swing a trade???

jmac
12-04-2007, 08:11 PM
Perhaps North Carolina still wants him and would like to swing a trade???

How about that Tyler fella and a PTBNLA ?

macro
12-05-2007, 12:00 AM
BG should get his team together and just tell them if anyone wants to leave,there's the door,go now. But if you don't go now you are in it for the long haul and expect total commitment. May not be many left but I think you have laid the groundwork for a more stable program in the future and the kids you recruit will know exactly what is expected.

Very different circumstances, I know, but there were defections following the 1988-89 season, and a new coach came to Lexington for the 1989-90 season. That first team went about .500, but things seemed to get better after that. ;)

The reason I draw the parallel is because the players on those first Pitino teams wanted nothing more than to play basketball at the University of Kentucky. If Billy pares it down to just the ones who really want to be here and then builds from there, he may have the makings of something good. For that reason, these transfers won't bother me. Addition by subtraction.

The 1991-92 team has its jerseys hanging in the rafters at Rupp Arena for a reason, and it's not because they were First Team All Americans. Last time I checked, LeRon Ellis' and Chris Mills' jerseys weren't hanging up there.

jmac
12-05-2007, 01:23 AM
Last time I checked, LeRon Ellis' and Chris Mills' jerseys weren't hanging up there.

Oh brother, do those names bring back memories.

cumberlandreds
12-05-2007, 07:59 AM
Legion may returning according to this report. The soap opera continues....

http://www.kentucky.com/276/story/249706.html

WMR
12-05-2007, 08:10 AM
Legion may returning according to this report. The soap opera continues....

http://www.kentucky.com/276/story/249706.html

:laugh:

Sometimes you've gotta cut the apron strings yourself if mama refuses to do so.

durl
12-05-2007, 10:06 AM
Well, I could have expounded on the fact that he absolutely cannot play defense to save his life, and in order to get any playing time with Gillispie, one has to make an effort in that department. Not to mention with two more players coming in next year who can play defense, are better than Legion, and can play the same position, Legion's writing was on the wall.

Myself, I choose to call her a whacko because she is using religion as a tool to make her son look better. Some examples from the article:

There has also been talk of Mrs. Legion making comments that they were using UK to "pimp out" her son to the NBA and that he would be a one and done lottery pick. Apparently the whole topic of Legion transferring is a result of the UNC game, where he didn't play very much and the only time he has played this year has been in mop-up duty. Of course, being that she is an "evangelist", i'm sure she wasn't overly ecstatic over Billy Clyde constantly using foul language to get his point across.

I personally hate to see this, since I have personally seen people do these types of things, but not to this extreme. Alex Legion is a very talented kid who has the potential to make himself a great player if he would put forth the effort. I just hope he wises up and puts distance between himself and his mother, because I think she is using him and trying to benefit off of his success. Whatever happens, it is clear a divorce from the Legion family and Kentucky is the best scenario for all involved.

Trust me, I find her comments...shall we say..."interesting." (She's definitely outside the norm of mainstream evangelical Christianity. Hope that doesn't throw this to the Peanut Gallery.)

I just try to keep the kids separate from their parents at times like this. We've seen plenty of examples of over-eager parents that too easily speak their mind. Legion is in college and is becoming his own man. I would like to see him take charge and, respectfully, ask his mother to lay low in the interest of the team. If she refuses and becomes a distraction then I agree that Legion should be asked to leave. I would simply like to see what the kid can do and judge him on HIS ability, not on the words of his mother.

WVRed
12-08-2007, 04:14 PM
We are less than an hour away from gametime. Legion is not with the team and Gillispie said that it will be handled after the Indiana game.

My guess is he will come back but serve a suspension.

http://www.kentucky.com/276/story/252034.html

WMR
12-08-2007, 04:16 PM
BEAT INDIANA

C'mon boys.

Hoosier Red
12-08-2007, 04:18 PM
Oh it may not be an official suspension per se but if I was Billy G I'd let him watch the game from the bench for a few games to see how much he really wants to come back.

WMR
12-08-2007, 04:31 PM
You can be sure that if he comes back, it will be on Billy G's terms, with mama Legion given clear marching orders about her future behavior and what will happen if she deviates.

Playadlc
12-08-2007, 04:42 PM
Good news for UK fans...

Bassett is suspended for the game today, and Gordon is out with a bruised tail bone.

IU is down to two scholarship guards.

I think Indiana's home court winning streak is in serious trouble today.

WMR
12-08-2007, 04:44 PM
Good news for UK fans...

Bassett is suspended for the game today, and Gordon is out with a bruised tail bone.

IU is down to two scholarship guards.

I think Indiana's home court winning streak is in serious trouble today.

Oh wow, I feel awful for you guys. :p:

WMR
12-08-2007, 04:44 PM
Louisville getting beaten by Dayton.

WMR
12-08-2007, 04:58 PM
Louisville loses to Dayton.

For the 3rd straight time.

:cry:

WMR
12-08-2007, 05:04 PM
GREAT BILLY PACCKER :rolleyes:

jmac
12-08-2007, 05:27 PM
Louisville loses to Dayton.

For the 3rd straight time.

:cry:
We werent supposed to be good but what is the deal with Louisville ?
Didnt they win a game the other night in the 40's or low 50's ? Now losing today. Maybe Steve K is trying his hand at basketball.

WMR
12-08-2007, 05:29 PM
2 early fouls for D.J. White

NICE.

WMR
12-08-2007, 05:30 PM
We werent supposed to be good but what is the deal with Louisville ?
Didnt they win a game the other night in the 40's or low 50's ?

I have no idea Rocko.

I'm sure Josh can shed some light on their situation.

WMR
12-08-2007, 05:31 PM
DAMN PATRICK PATTERSON IS A BEAST

Wow. What an impressive dunk for the and 1.

WMR
12-08-2007, 05:36 PM
Another negative-bball IQ play by Ramon Harris.

This guy is just woefully unprepared to play at this point.

WMR
12-08-2007, 05:38 PM
Billy is right. Scoring points is going to be an issue for this team all season long.

Razor Shines
12-08-2007, 05:43 PM
Good news for UK fans...

Bassett is suspended for the game today, and Gordon is out with a bruised tail bone.

IU is down to two scholarship guards.

I think Indiana's home court winning streak is in serious trouble today.

Or maybe not.

jmac
12-08-2007, 05:46 PM
Another negative-bball IQ play by Ramon Harris.

This guy is just woefully unprepared to play at this point.
Problem is, most of his teammates are too !

WMR
12-08-2007, 05:48 PM
Ooh this is ugly. :eek:

WMR
12-08-2007, 05:50 PM
:lol: Crawford walked twice in a row. Finally gets called for it. :laugh:

WMR
12-08-2007, 06:00 PM
Damn, that was an ugly half of basketball.

Only bright spot--as usual--was Patrick Patterson.

That dunk for the and 1 was a thing of beauty.

Everyone else has more or less sucked.

Has this team been practicing? Doesn't look like it.



When's the last time UK had such poor senior leadership? Not sure I can remember.

jmac
12-08-2007, 06:09 PM
Does anyone notice Porter's uncanny resemblance to Sean Sutton ?
Playing time similar as well. we knew Sutton would play regardless, Porter plays because not many other options.
I thought today as Packer made the comment Porter was" no threat to score".
How often do you hear that said about a 2 guard as Bradley pretty much plays the point.

jmac
12-08-2007, 06:15 PM
How many games do you see this team winning in the sec,WMR ?
Without Meeks, I dont know if you can expect more than 9-7.

Razor Shines
12-08-2007, 06:27 PM
Was the crowd chanting "Jordan's better!" while Joe was at the line? That's kinda funny.

jimbo
12-08-2007, 06:28 PM
Louisville loses to Dayton.

For the 3rd straight time.

:cry:

Go Flyerrrsssss!!!!!! :thumbup:

WMR
12-08-2007, 06:31 PM
Was the crowd chanting "Jordan's better!" while Joe was at the line? That's kinda funny.

If they weren't, they should have been!! :redface:

WMR
12-08-2007, 06:32 PM
How many games do you see this team winning in the sec,WMR ?
Without Meeks, I dont know if you can expect more than 9-7.

Yah, Rocko, I think it all depends on what happens with Meeks and Jasper, and, to a lesser extent, Legion.

BCG just can't bench anybody right now. There is NO bench.

And you're right, when your freakin' 2 guard isn't a threat to score, you're in BIG TROUBLE.

P.S.: DID EVERYONE ELSE SEE PORTER MISS THAT LAY-UP???

OOOO-GAH

WMR
12-08-2007, 06:36 PM
:lol: You could sure hear it clearly that time: "JORDAN'S BETTER.... JORDAN'S BETTER"

That has to sting. :laugh:

joshnky
12-08-2007, 08:23 PM
I have no idea Rocko.

I'm sure Josh can shed some light on their situation.

I don't really know why Louisville was rated so highly to start the season. The team still doesn't have a go to scorer on the wing and just plays stupid most of the time. That being said, I'm confident that they would have beaten both BYU and Dayton if they hadn't lost Palacios and Padgett to early injuries. Not only is that the starting front court and your senior leadership but Padgett was really the glue that held a neurotic team together. Caracter and Clark have stepped up and played well at times but there is no depth behind them. The team really only plays seven and one of the two subs (Farley) is a black hole in terms of scroing.

Hopefully they'll get healthy and the sophomore class will make some strides so that they can be a factor in the Big East.

WMR
12-08-2007, 08:27 PM
I saw Rick benched his two starting guards for the final five minutes. Was that b/c he was dissatisfied with their effort on defense?

joshnky
12-08-2007, 09:31 PM
I saw Rick benched his two starting guards for the final five minutes. Was that b/c he was dissatisfied with their effort on defense?

I can't say for sure because I didn't watch the game but I can't blame him for benching Sosa. The kid is a shoot first PG who really doesn't shoot all that well. Terrence Williams consistently leads this team in assists while playing the 3. Some consistently laud his ability but I see it more as a fatal flaw in this offense. We have few players that can effectively create their own shots and no one that can consistently run the offense and set up another player.

This is a very frustrating team because when they're on they can be very good but when they're off they're bad. I just hope Padgett is a quick healer because his passing and ability in the low post are really missed.

WMR
12-08-2007, 09:32 PM
You think you've got scoring woes!!

TheBigLebowski
12-08-2007, 10:29 PM
What's the bottom line with Alex Legion? Is he transferring?

Heath
12-08-2007, 10:37 PM
We werent supposed to be good but what is the deal with Louisville ?
Didnt they win a game the other night in the 40's or low 50's ? Now losing today. Maybe Steve K is trying his hand at basketball.

Louisville ran into the Charlie Coles Miami lack of offense tough defense one night.

I'm waiting for the 2007-2008 Dayton Flyers Basketball thread. I'm sure I'll contribute a page.

:D

WMR
12-08-2007, 10:57 PM
What's the bottom line with Alex Legion? Is he transferring?

Now I'm hearing that he's staying.

I don't think anyone knows for sure.

The kid is very immature. Between Michigan and UK, he has committed and de-committed about 6 times.

WVRed
12-09-2007, 12:02 AM
Now I'm hearing that he's staying.

I don't think anyone knows for sure.

The kid is very immature. Between Michigan and UK, he has committed and de-committed about 6 times.

Gillispie said it would be addressed sometime this week.

I'm hoping he is suspended or at least made to give a public apology, but most of BBN wants it handled "internally" as opposed to the AJ Stewart fiasco.

Javy Pornstache
12-09-2007, 02:26 AM
Louisville should be fine, they have a good team on paper, but I knew they were going to lose to Dayton without Padgett and Palacios, UD is a big, tough, rebounding team. UL will have trouble without Padgett and Palacios to help the interior.

As for my UK brethren: It looks like Meeks probably won't be playing the rest of the year. Jasper may, but even if so, probably not until SEC season. It's gonna be a rocky road. Really rocky. Just strap in and have faith that things will be all good in the big picture.

Hoosier Red
12-09-2007, 10:36 AM
I don't know when the guys who were missing are coming back, but wow, I can't imagine this UK team making the NCAA tournament from what I saw yesterday.

jmac
12-09-2007, 01:05 PM
I don't know when the guys who were missing are coming back, but wow, I can't imagine this UK team making the NCAA tournament from what I saw yesterday.

I tend to agree with you. Meeks I felt would flourish this year and average close to 20 a game. Without him, I can see 8-8 or 9-7 in the SEC which would put their total wins around the 16-17 vecinity.
Now dont get me wrong, we wouldnt be great with him but he would have been that offensive threat the team needs now that they do not have (besides Patterson).
Jasper is alright as a complimentary player but nothing major on the offensive end.
Billy Packer summed it up yesterday when talking of our 2 gaurd Micheal Porter by saying "he's not a threat to score".
Not only was it the truth but it's like saying your leadoff man is no threat to get on base.

Hoosier Red
12-09-2007, 02:02 PM
Packer was talking about how DJ could basically play a zone defense because his guy couldn't score, and Stemler could play off his guy because he couldn't score. I thought, wow, basically Patterson is playing 1 on 3.

He still got 15 points.
He's going to be good.

dabvu2498
12-10-2007, 10:36 AM
I blame Ty Willingham.

BRM
12-10-2007, 11:24 AM
Or maybe not.

I believe WilyMo offered to use a Kelvin Sampson avatar if the 'Cats lost. Do you have one handy Razor? ;)

WMR
12-10-2007, 11:54 AM
I sure did. It's up to you to pick it. :barf:

BRM
12-10-2007, 12:08 PM
I sure did. It's up to you to pick it. :barf:

I hate to do it because I like your current one. ;)

Joseph
12-10-2007, 12:17 PM
How about an addendum to his signature.....an "I ♥ IU" tag or something?

Sorry Wily Mo, I'm a UK fella like you, but a bets a bet. I had to wear Steelers colors for a week once because of my mouth.

WMR
12-10-2007, 12:19 PM
I'm no welcher!! :laugh: