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WMR
11-02-2007, 08:34 PM
Per ESPN.

They had an amazing atmosphere during the games when they had the Hornets...

Weird to think of no NBA basketball in Seattle.

Wonder if Louisville/Cincinnati could ever get a team again?

Yachtzee
11-02-2007, 08:38 PM
Per ESPN.

They had an amazing atmosphere during the games when they had the Hornets...

Weird to think of no NBA basketball in Seattle.

Wonder if Louisville/Cincinnati could ever get a team again?

I wonder how long OKC can keep a team if it isn't a consistent winner. Then again, they might do okay as long as they're the only pro sports game in town. Louisville might do okay with an NBA team. I don't know about Cincinnati. I think they might be better off with just two major pro sports teams and the wealth of college teams they have within a short drive. The more major sports teams you have, the more competition you have for corporate luxury boxes.

GoReds33
11-02-2007, 08:52 PM
I would love to see Cincinnati with a NBA team, though I know it won't be happening any time soon. There just isn't enough intrest in a pro team. I would however like to see a pro team try it here for a while if there is a disaster or something. US Bank Arena is big enough to support a team for a while, though it wouldn't be near big enough for a modern NBA team.

Caveat Emperor
11-02-2007, 09:07 PM
I would love to see Cincinnati with a NBA team

I don't think there's any real demand in this town for NBA product -- especially not for 41 home games per season with average ticket prices in the $50+ range. The local economy simply isn't large enough to support it, especially with the competition for entertainment and sports dollars being so stiff.

WMR
11-02-2007, 09:22 PM
What about DaVille, CE?

Personally, between the two, I think Louisville would be the clear choice.

They'd be the top-dog (along with Brutus ;))

George Foster
11-02-2007, 09:45 PM
What about DaVille, CE?

Personally, between the two, I think Louisville would be the clear choice.

They'd be the top-dog (along with Brutus ;))

With Louisville and Kentucky basketball, not to mention the passion for high school basketball in the state.... there is not enough fans or money for a team anywhere in Kentucky. Not to mention the big fan base of Pacer fans in the Louisville metro area..no way, no chance.

westofyou
11-02-2007, 09:53 PM
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2003990107_sonicsmove03m.html


In a written statement, Bennett cited the Legislature's rejection of taxpayer funding for his proposed $500 million Renton arena and a lack of any other feasible successor to KeyArena.

"Even though our proposal for a new state-of-the-art multi-purpose facility to be built in Renton was thoughtfully developed by a world-class team, was financially reasonable and was realistically attainable, we were unable to persuade the Washington Legislature to vote on our bill," Bennett said in the statement.

"We now understand and respect that there is very limited public support for such a public investment," he said.

1/2 a billion bucks?

Get real.... for a building with one tenant, ridiculous.

Meanwhile

Local group makes pitch to buy Sonics (http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2003989300_sonics02m.html)

pedro
11-02-2007, 09:58 PM
The have to get out of their lease before they can move. And the lease doesn't just require them to pay out either, it requires them to play there for at least 2 more years.

Personally I think he should sell the team if he doesn't want to keep it in Seattle but it really doesn't matter much to me as I really don't care for the NBA anyway.

Edskin
11-03-2007, 12:02 AM
Folks here are salavating. The Hornets two-year run really wetted the collective appetite. Lots of $$$ in OKC and lots of sports fans = good fit.

Javy Pornstache
11-03-2007, 12:21 AM
As far as Louisville goes, I don't think a team there would work, for the reasons Foster listed a couple posts ago. I was surprised that they made it as far as they did when they were finalist for the Vancouver Grizzlies' relocation a few years ago (losing out to Memphis, of course). I think a lot of other folks thought it was a bad idea, but a group kinda threw a big together, and they made it far along the process. Then again, I could've sworn St. Louis was getting the Grizzlies at the time, over Louisville and Memphis both.

Good thing Louisville didn't win. Rumor had it that there was serious backing from KFC to build a new arena, and the arena would be called the "KFC Bucket" - officially. Haha.

WMR
11-03-2007, 12:44 AM
As far as Louisville goes, I don't think a team there would work, for the reasons Foster listed a couple posts ago. I was surprised that they made it as far as they did when they were finalist for the Vancouver Grizzlies' relocation a few years ago (losing out to Memphis, of course). I think a lot of other folks thought it was a bad idea, but a group kinda threw a big together, and they made it far along the process. Then again, I could've sworn St. Louis was getting the Grizzlies at the time, over Louisville and Memphis both.

Good thing Louisville didn't win. Rumor had it that there was serious backing from KFC to build a new arena, and the arena would be called the "KFC Bucket" - officially. Haha.

As if the rest of the nation needs another excuse to think of all us Kentuckians as ignorant hillbillies!! :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

::goes ahead and crouches down in preparation from the zinger from BRM :laugh:::

KronoRed
11-03-2007, 02:07 AM
Cincinnati doesn't need another pro sports team and a tax payer funded place for it to play.

Louisville? that would be something, but again I bet they have much better things to spend their cash on.

As for this owner, what a jackass, by making this declaration before he can actually move the team he's doing his best to torpedo any support, give him a nice excuse "nobody comes to see us"

pedro
11-03-2007, 04:40 AM
Folks here are salavating. The Hornets two-year run really wetted the collective appetite. Lots of $$$ in OKC and lots of sports fans = good fit.

What kind of arena and corporate sponsorship are they going to get in the OKC Edskin?

Is OKC building them a new arena?

bucksfan2
11-03-2007, 10:12 AM
I think Oklahoma City will work. I don't know how big the population is but I would assume the market would be big enough to support one professional club. I think it could be similar to Columbus with the Blue Jackets. If you are able to sell the team as a professional sporting event at first then you will be able to succeed. The problem comes when the novelty wears off. This generally takes about 5 years but if you are able to put a winner together then you will be successful.

westofyou
11-03-2007, 10:24 AM
The problem comes when the novelty wears off. This generally takes about 5 years but if you are able to put a winner together then you will be successful.

Tell that to Nashville, they're still struggling to keep a hold on the Preds.

I know if I owned a business which city I'd choose, and I know what city I'd want them in if I was David Srern.

joshnky
11-03-2007, 12:23 PM
What about DaVille, CE?

Personally, between the two, I think Louisville would be the clear choice.

They'd be the top-dog (along with Brutus ;))

I'd be surprised if an NBA team came to Louisville. The university (and Pitino) insisted that the Cardinals be the primary tenants in the new arena which seems like it would be prohibitive to an NBA franchise. Besides, Louisville is a college town and seems to have little interest in professional sports and even some animosity toward the NBA. When they were courting the Hornets there was a lot of ambivalence toward the idea amongst the general public. I don't see it happening and personally don't want it to happen.

On a side note, I think UofL fans already hate that they have to share some of the local spotlight with UK and don't want to be further diminished by an NBA franchise. I like the collegiate atmosphere of local sports and would hate for the city landscape to begin to resemble that of Cincinnati which seems to be more focused on pro sports.

Razor Shines
11-03-2007, 01:35 PM
What an awesome way to kick off the Kevin Durrant era in Seattle.

TC81190
11-03-2007, 03:50 PM
What an awesome way to kick off the Kevin Durrant era in Seattle.

Srsly.

And this thread has made me long for the Cincinnati Royals.

Edskin
11-03-2007, 04:36 PM
We have the Ford Center, which was built about 5-6 years ago...very big...probably average size NBA Areana, if not above-average. I have heard that if the Sonics come here that eventually there will be talk of a basketball-only type of venue, but for now, the Ford Center seems to meet all necessary qualifications. It hosted the Big 12 Tourney last year and also hosts some large concerts, etc...

The OKC metro area stands at 1.2 million in population right now (that includes the suburbs of course), so I think in terms of pure numbers, OKC is a good fit. Will they support a loser five years down the road? That's a tougher call.

Unassisted
11-03-2007, 04:53 PM
We have the Ford Center, which was built about 5-6 years ago...very big...probably average size NBA Areana, if not above-average. I have heard that if the Sonics come here that eventually there will be talk of a basketball-only type of venue, but for now, the Ford Center seems to meet all necessary qualifications. It hosted the Big 12 Tourney last year and also hosts some large concerts, etc...

If the Sonics do land in your city, you should expect the public talk of building a new facility to start getting serious before the paint even dries on the new team logos in the Ford Center.

The Spurs fled the Alamodome for the AT&T Center after only a decade. This is their 5th season in the AT&T Center and they're already breathing down the neck of the local government here for $100 million in hotel/motel tax money for improvements to the place. The pace at which sports venues become "obsolete" and require public money to fix their "problems" is getting ridiculous.

gm
11-04-2007, 08:07 PM
Sonics leaving Seattle? Couldn't happen to a "nicer" city

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/sonics/2003982305_blazers30.html

Nate McMillian got out, while the gettin' was good

George Foster
11-04-2007, 09:21 PM
[QUOTE=Good thing Louisville didn't win. Rumor had it that there was serious backing from KFC to build a new arena, and the arena would be called the "KFC Bucket" - officially. Haha.[/QUOTE]

That would be the coolest name for a sports arena ever. The whole point of spending all that money for naming rights is for exposure....it would stick in everyones mind like "where's the beef" did in the 80's....great idea IMO.

GoGoWhiteSox
11-04-2007, 10:01 PM
Didn't Louisville have an ABA team in the '70's?

cincinnati chili
11-04-2007, 10:19 PM
Didn't Louisville have an ABA team in the '70's?

Yes (http://www.remembertheaba.com/Kentucky-Colonels.html). For 8 seasons. Hubie Brown coached the final year.

http://www.remembertheaba.com/ABALogos/NewColonelsLogo2.gif

pedro
11-04-2007, 10:56 PM
Sonics leaving Seattle? Couldn't happen to a "nicer" city

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/sonics/2003982305_blazers30.html

Nate McMillian got out, while the gettin' was good


wow gm, that was a pretty harsh article. they're doing some serious hatin on portland.


Please. For many, the only thing Oregon is good for is Oregonians' delightful service of pumping a Washingtonian's gas. Oh, and there is that no-sales-tax thing, too.

M2
11-05-2007, 12:42 AM
Sounds like the Sonics are trying to play chicken with the Washington state legislature. Personally I think it's high time more cities and states started telling pro sports franchises to pay their own way. Unassisted's right, the constant demand for new taxpayer-funded facilities coming from the sports industry is ridiculous.

Caveat Emperor
11-05-2007, 01:29 AM
Sounds like the Sonics are trying to play chicken with the Washington state legislature. Personally I think it's high time more cities and states started telling pro sports franchises to pay their own way. Unassisted's right, the constant demand for new taxpayer-funded facilities coming from the sports industry is ridiculous.

Problem is, as long as there is 1 city out there willing to foot the bill, these teams can (and do) hold cities hostage.

And, as long as the population continues to grow in places that are outside of the "traditional" major sports markets, you'll see plenty of cities willingly bidding for teams.

cincinnati chili
11-05-2007, 04:01 AM
Problem is, as long as there is 1 city out there willing to foot the bill, these teams can (and do) hold cities hostage.

And, as long as the population continues to grow in places that are outside of the "traditional" major sports markets, you'll see plenty of cities willingly bidding for teams.


I haven't checked demographics in a while, but I have to believe that there's a lot more people in metro-Seattle that can afford club seats, courtside seats, luxury boxes, etc. than in metro Oklahoma city.

Maybe there's enough passion for basketball in OK for them to deserve their own team. But I can't imagine D. Stern is too thrilled about losing a team in the land of Microsoft and Boeing.

I agree with M2. Let cities like Seattle and Montreal (Expos) and LA (for football) tell the leagues to bugger off. If carpetbagging owners are having to go to places like Oklahoma City instead of St. Louis and D.C., that's progress.

joshnky
11-05-2007, 06:59 AM
Problem is, as long as there is 1 city out there willing to foot the bill, these teams can (and do) hold cities hostage.

And, as long as the population continues to grow in places that are outside of the "traditional" major sports markets, you'll see plenty of cities willingly bidding for teams.

You seem the say thing with cities trying to lure businesses with tax incentives. Its probably not to the same degree but I know Louisville makes it very lucrative for Ford to keep to plants here.

westofyou
11-05-2007, 09:36 AM
If carpetbagging owners are having to go to places like Oklahoma City instead of St. Louis and D.C., that's progress.

The NBA leaving Seattle and going to OKC is a step back to the late 50's NBA.

Look at the teams and the cites

1955

Eastern Division

Team W L Pct GB
+---------------------------+---+---+------+------+
Syracuse Nationals* 43 29 .597 -
New York Knickerbockers* 38 34 .528 5.0
Boston Celtics* 36 36 .500 7.0
Philadelphia Warriors 33 39 .458 10.0
+---------------------------+---+---+------+------+

Western Division

Team W L Pct GB
+---------------------------+---+---+------+------+
Fort Wayne Pistons* 43 29 .597 -
Minneapolis Lakers* 40 32 .556 3.0
Rochester Royals* 29 43 .403 14.0
Milwaukee Hawks 26 46 .361 17.0
+---------------------------+---+---+------+------+


Ten years later

Eastern Division

Team W L Pct GB
+---------------------------+---+---+------+------+
Philadelphia 76ers* 55 25 .688 -
Boston Celtics* 54 26 .675 1.0
Cincinnati Royals* 45 35 .563 10.0
New York Knickerbockers 30 50 .375 25.0
+---------------------------+---+---+------+------+

Western Division

Team W L Pct GB
+---------------------------+---+---+------+------+
Los Angeles Lakers* 45 35 .563 -
Baltimore Bullets* 38 42 .475 7.0
St. Louis Hawks* 36 44 .450 9.0
San Francisco Warriors 35 45 .438 10.0
Detroit Pistons 22 58 .275 23.0
+---------------------------+---+---+------+------+

registerthis
11-05-2007, 10:29 AM
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2003990107_sonicsmove03m.html



1/2 a billion bucks?

Get real.... for a building with one tenant, ridiculous.

Meanwhile

Local group makes pitch to buy Sonics (http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2003989300_sonics02m.html)

I'll never, ever again cast my support towards a publicly financed stadium/arena project after the Columbus-Nationwide Arena debacle. If a billionaire owner wants to pack up his toys and go across the street because the local citizenry won't build him a bigger sandbox, let him walk.

Here in DC, the new Nats baseball stadium is $272 million over the original budgeted estimate. And they're banking on it revitalizing a part of the city that stadium projects have historically not shown a propensity to do. Bad deals all around. Meanwhile, DC public schools sit in a state of disrepair and the District's central library needed a new home yesterday. But, hey, I'm so glad the District decided to pony up $670 million for that white albatross down on the Potomac.

gm
11-05-2007, 12:05 PM
wow gm, that was a pretty harsh article. they're doing some serious hatin on portland.

We should probably cut them some slack, imagine if the Blazers were to leave and someone came up and asked if we wanted to become Laker fans?

(OTOH, how could a native Oregonian ever root for the Mariners or Seahawks? That's H*sky country...)

pedro
11-05-2007, 12:08 PM
We should probably cut them some slack, imagine if the Blazers were to leave and someone came up and asked if we wanted to become Laker fans?

(Besides, how could a native Oregonian ever root for the Mariners or Seahawks? That's H*sky country...)

I guess I just won't weep for them when they get washed away by a giant tidal wave ;)

gm
11-05-2007, 12:49 PM
I guess I just won't weep for them when they get washed away by a giant tidal wave ;)

Hey, no joking about earthquakes/tidal waves, my wife's family lives in Tacoma.

(Besides, I wouldn't want to be stuck on low ground around here either, should the Columbia and Willamette rivers start "backing up")

pedro
11-05-2007, 01:16 PM
Hey, no joking about earthquakes/tidal waves, my wife's family lives in Tacoma.

(Besides, I wouldn't want to be stuck on low ground around here either, should the Columbia and Willamette rivers start "backing up")

True enough.

westofyou
11-05-2007, 01:18 PM
True enough.

http://www.ccrh.org/center/images/48Flood(2).jpg

pedro
11-05-2007, 01:56 PM
http://www.ccrh.org/center/images/48Flood(2).jpg

yeah, but that just flooded "the pearl district"

what's the downside? ;)

Chip R
11-05-2007, 02:09 PM
You seem the say thing with cities trying to lure businesses with tax incentives. Its probably not to the same degree but I know Louisville makes it very lucrative for Ford to keep to plants here.


It's different for businesses that have a great deal of employees that spend money there, that live there, that have their kids go to school there. A company like Ford also produces a product 365 days a year. Granted, they don't get 15K people out to see them make cars but I don't think that's something a company like Ford is going to lose sleep over. A sports team is only going to play in that town every so often. While they do employ concessionaires and stadium people, it doesn't offset the importance a large industry can bring to a city.

You move a sports franchise and there are going to be some people out of work and fans will be sad. You shut down a Ford plant and the local economy goes into a depression.

gm
11-06-2007, 07:45 PM
yeah, but that just flooded "the pearl district"

what's the downside? ;)

I'm guessing the trains didn't run on time that week