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PickOff
11-04-2007, 02:07 PM
A stellar beginning for the Bengals. :rolleyes:

guttle11
11-04-2007, 02:10 PM
Last chance for contention?

You were supposed to set your clocks back an hour, not 3 weeks. :p:

WMR
11-04-2007, 02:10 PM
:lol:

Who dey?

WMR
11-04-2007, 02:11 PM
Last chance for contention?

You were supposed to set your clocks back an hour, not 3 weeks. :p:

THAT'S GOOD!! :D

PickOff
11-04-2007, 02:13 PM
Last chance for contention?

You were supposed to set your clocks back an hour, not 3 weeks. :p:

The weak schedule gives me a twinge of hope.

:pray:

guttle11
11-04-2007, 02:15 PM
That was horrible. Kelly took two steps forward.

Actually it makes sense.

WMR
11-04-2007, 02:17 PM
I'm sorry, Rudi needs to stay on the bench.

PickOff
11-04-2007, 02:17 PM
Nice play by Watson

PickOff
11-04-2007, 02:18 PM
I'm sorry, Rudi needs to stay on the bench.

And put those quick feet on the bench?

Joseph
11-04-2007, 02:18 PM
Is it baseball season yet?

WMR
11-04-2007, 02:20 PM
And put those quick feet on the bench?

http://images.allmoviephoto.com/2001_Zoolander/will_ferrell_zoolander_003.jpg

"One yard gains are so hot right now."

PickOff
11-04-2007, 02:23 PM
Great camera work by CBS.

PickOff
11-04-2007, 02:25 PM
Do my eyes decieve me - is that a 3 and out? Hallelullah!

WMR
11-04-2007, 02:27 PM
Holy Jeez, LT is already 4th all-time in rushing TDs. That's crazy.

WMR
11-04-2007, 02:28 PM
Do my eyes decieve me - is that a 3 and out? Hallelullah!

::insert Halley's Comet photo here::

WMR
11-04-2007, 02:28 PM
Man, Carson has such wonderful poise and understanding in the pocket.

PickOff
11-04-2007, 02:28 PM
Holy Jeez, LT is already 4th all-time in rushing TDs. That's crazy.

That is crazy.

In other news, Chad drops another pass that would have been a 1st down - not so crazy.

WMR
11-04-2007, 02:30 PM
What's up with Chris Perry? I thought this was the game he was eligible to return from the PuP list?

PickOff
11-04-2007, 02:34 PM
What's up with Chris Perry? I thought this was the game he was eligible to return from the PuP list?

I don't think he has even yet to practice - either than on the sidelines.

Boston Red
11-04-2007, 02:55 PM
Did these guys really just play an entire half in about 50 minutes?!?

Hoosier Red
11-04-2007, 02:56 PM
No, ESPN's wrong, 2nd Quarter's got about 9 minutes left

WMR
11-04-2007, 03:00 PM
You will NEVER win in the NFL with a pass rush as pathetic as that.

Hoosier Red
11-04-2007, 03:06 PM
Okay, I'm just following Gamecenter on line, but was that goal line stand as impressive as it seemed?
1st and goal on the 1 and I have to assume Buffalo's going for a field goal here.

Reds Fanatic
11-04-2007, 03:06 PM
A nice goal line stand there to hold them to a field goal when it was first and goal from the 1

PickOff
11-04-2007, 03:09 PM
Okay, I'm just following Gamecenter on line, but was that goal line stand as impressive as it seemed?
1st and goal on the 1 and I have to assume Buffalo's going for a field goal here.

A nice stop for a 4 yard loss, followed by two small gainers. Impressive, though? For the Bengals, I guess.

PickOff
11-04-2007, 03:11 PM
You will NEVER win in the NFL with a pass rush as pathetic as that.

Not consistently, anyway. Their pass rush is unbeleivably frustrating.

Joseph
11-04-2007, 03:11 PM
Touchdown on a KO return?

Screwball
11-04-2007, 03:11 PM
:lol: TD Holt! He wasn't even touched.

Reds Fanatic
11-04-2007, 03:11 PM
Wow a 100 yard kickoff return by Holt.

PickOff
11-04-2007, 03:12 PM
Touchdown on a KO return?

Yup. I would like to see a replay of that, though, because it looked too easy.

PickOff
11-04-2007, 03:14 PM
Unbelievable! What a horrible kick-off!!! Way to help Buffalo out with 1:40 left. Arrrggh!

guttle11
11-04-2007, 03:17 PM
Yup. I would like to see a replay of that, though, because it looked too easy.

He was behind the defense at the 30.

Easiest kickoff return I can remember seeing. I don't know if it was good blocking or bad defense, but it was very easy.

Almost as easy as the Bills drive is looking.

PickOff
11-04-2007, 03:17 PM
Jonathan Joseph looks like he has no desire to be on the field. Pitiful performance play after play.

TC81190
11-04-2007, 03:21 PM
Unbelievable! What a horrible kick-off!!! Way to help Buffalo out with 1:40 left. Arrrggh!

Um...what? :confused:

PickOff
11-04-2007, 03:24 PM
Um...what? :confused:

After the kick off return for a touchdown, the Bengals managed a kick off that was fielded, at the 35 by the Bills - fielded in the air - not run back. More Bengals brilliancy.

CTA513
11-04-2007, 03:25 PM
Jonathan Joseph looks like he has no desire to be on the field. Pitiful performance play after play.

Joseph and the other CBs probably get tired of running around forever trying to cover WRs because the defensive line gets no pressure on the QB.

Screwball
11-04-2007, 03:26 PM
Jonathan Joseph looks like he has no desire to be on the field. Pitiful performance play after play.

Agreed. And Leon Hall continues to be beat like a rented mule. Even his INT would've been a TD if anybody other than JP Losman was throwing the ball.

As for the D-Line... Wow. Other than a play here and one there, they're getting dominated. I guess that's what happens when your highest draft pick in the last few years for the D-Line has been in the 3rd round, and that guy's first name is Frostee.

As frustrated as I've been watching this game, it feels like the Bengals are losing by 2 TDs. Yet, somehow, they're up 14-13.

PickOff
11-04-2007, 03:32 PM
As frustrated as I've been watching this game, it feels like the Bengals are losing by 2 TDs. Yet, somehow, they're up 14-13.

Lol. True. The positives are little consolation for the general poor play. But there are positives:

-a 3 and out
-a goal line stand
-a kickoff return for a touchdown
-an interception in Bengals territory

When you list them - it seems like the Bengals should be winning - but if you watched it...

PickOff
11-04-2007, 03:42 PM
Very disciplined play by Blue Adams to tackle a guy after the whistle while he is on the ground.

Screwball
11-04-2007, 03:43 PM
I believe that's hi 3rd personal foul this season. 1 would be too many - this guy has 3. Our defense isn't any good, but our Special Teams certainly doesn't give them any help.

PickOff
11-04-2007, 03:54 PM
Wow - the wind must be something. I take back my previous ridicule of the Bengals kickoff - same thing happen to the Bills as the Bengals field a kickoff on the 30.

Screwball
11-04-2007, 03:54 PM
I don't know about you guys, but I consider it a huge sucess when the defense *only* gives up a field goal.

Reds Fanatic
11-04-2007, 04:21 PM
Chad screws up what should have been an easy catch.

Playadlc
11-04-2007, 04:23 PM
That drop by Chad there pretty much sums up the season for the Cincinnati Bengals.

guttle11
11-04-2007, 04:27 PM
Wow, a three and out!

I go deep to Chad on first or second down here.

Hoosier Red
11-04-2007, 04:31 PM
They just need a drive. and before I can finish typing my message, 3 and out.

WMR
11-04-2007, 04:32 PM
That's hilarious.

WHO DIDN'T commit a penalty on that play?? :lol:

Reds Fanatic
11-04-2007, 04:32 PM
3 penalties on one play. This team is beyond pitiful.

camisadelgolf
11-04-2007, 04:32 PM
Wow. Three Bengals penalties on the same special teams play.

WMR
11-04-2007, 04:34 PM
:lol:

Our Special "Education" Team

WMR
11-04-2007, 04:35 PM
Why is Dexter Jackson hooting after tackling a RB after he makes a 6-7 yard gain? :dunno:

Hoosier Red
11-04-2007, 04:40 PM
Plenty of time to score and give up a last second field goal.

camisadelgolf
11-04-2007, 04:42 PM
I wonder who's going to be responsible for the turnover in the red zone on the Bengals' final drive. The suspense is killing me.

WMR
11-04-2007, 04:48 PM
Season.

Playadlc
11-04-2007, 04:49 PM
Good job, Marvin. You have successfully built one of the worst defenses in this history of the NFL.

You should be proud.

PickOff
11-04-2007, 04:49 PM
This season is officially beyond salvage.

camisadelgolf
11-04-2007, 04:49 PM
Well, there's always next year.

WMR
11-04-2007, 04:53 PM
Hold on, lemme go rummage in my closet... I think I've still got a few paper sacks squirreled away.

Yachtzee
11-04-2007, 04:54 PM
1. The defense is hopeless. I didn't see one bright spot. Terrible squad.
2. Rudi is too slow.
3. Offensive Coaches really needs to teach "1 cut" running. Too many guys, WRs and RBs do that stutter step and end up letting holes close up. Even if the hole does close up, if they would just cut once and hit the hole, they'd still have momentum to get a yard or two out of it. Instead they stutter, lose all momentum and get stonewalled. I hate seeing a player stutterstep.

WMR
11-04-2007, 04:57 PM
Especially in the NFL, Yacht. Unless you're Barry Sanders. Everyone in the NFL is way too fast for stutter-stepping to be an effective technique for eluding defenders.

GAC
11-04-2007, 04:59 PM
All I can say is "Wow"!

This defense is bad; but their offense is completely out of sync too.

My brother (a huge Bengal fan) and I made a pre-season bet on how the Bengals and Browns would finish.

I said both teams could go 7-9. My brother laughed and said "No way! The Bengals will rebound to go 10-6."

Yachtzee
11-04-2007, 04:59 PM
I was wondering if Chad Johnson got his bell rung on that sideline catch earlier in the game. The hit he just took probably doesn't help things.

GAC
11-04-2007, 05:00 PM
Chad took one heck of a hit there. He is still down on the field, and they are bringing the stretcher out.

I hope the guy is O.K.

WMR
11-04-2007, 05:02 PM
Buffalo fans are classy. Politely applauding Chad going off the field.

Kevin Everett is still clearly in all their minds.

TeamSelig
11-04-2007, 05:04 PM
Was that hit necessary?

GAC
11-04-2007, 05:04 PM
A bunch of the Bill players were huddled and praying for Chad.

BoydsOfSummer
11-04-2007, 05:04 PM
Looks like he took it in the ribs. I think they are just being extra cautious these days.

GAC
11-04-2007, 05:06 PM
On a positive note...... has Watson made Rudi's days numbered? I'm impressed with the kid.

guttle11
11-04-2007, 05:07 PM
Was that hit necessary?

No it wasn't. Whitmer lead with the helmet against a defenseless receiver that was diving. Total headhunting.

WMR
11-04-2007, 05:07 PM
Why is Carson still in the game?

WMR
11-04-2007, 05:08 PM
Imagine someone rolled over on his knee during this last drive (knock on wood).

MrCinatit
11-04-2007, 05:09 PM
Watching this game before the Pats/Colts game is like watching a pre-game father/son scrimmage.

Screwball
11-04-2007, 05:09 PM
Why is Carson still in the game?

Game isn't over yet. All they have to do is score a TD, kick a PAT, recover an onsides kick, and then score another TD. 18 seconds is plenty of time to work with.;)

EDIT: Ok, now it's over.

BoydsOfSummer
11-04-2007, 05:11 PM
All those splats you are hearing are Bengal jersey's being tossed off the ship. I should be able to score some cheaper seats for the Browns game here now.:D

WMR
11-04-2007, 05:12 PM
Game isn't over yet. All they have to do is score a TD, kick a PAT, recover an onsides kick, and then score another TD. 18 seconds is plenty of time to work with.;)

:laugh:

Well when you put it that way.

guttle11
11-04-2007, 05:12 PM
Not trying to disrespect Buffalo, but today proves the Bengals truly are one of the worst teams in the league. Buffalo is an improving team, but right now they're mediocre. And the Bengals were just completely dominated by a mediocre team. Thank goodness Carson is the QB, or this might have been a 33-7 loss.

WMR
11-04-2007, 05:14 PM
All those splats you are hearing are Bengal jersey's being tossed off the ship. I should be able to score some cheaper seats for the Browns game here now.:D

It's really weird... it's so easy to slip right back into my old Bungle watching routine. It's like coming home. (a condemned home that needs to be bulldozed, but a home, nonetheless)

TeamSelig
11-04-2007, 05:14 PM
No it wasn't. Whitmer lead with the helmet against a defenseless receiver that was diving. Total headhunting.

Thats what I thought. You could also argue that the ball really wasn't even catchable.

WMR
11-04-2007, 05:16 PM
Thats what I thought. You could also argue that the ball really wasn't even catchable.

I agree with you on all counts, but Chad has actively worked to make himself a target.

Playadlc
11-04-2007, 05:16 PM
Well, I guess if you are going to pick a year to suck, it might as well be this season.

The NFL is pretty much down to two teams. No one else really matters when playoffs come.

BoydsOfSummer
11-04-2007, 05:27 PM
Hey, if you'd like to feel a little better about it, an equally bad Browns D is on the Fox late game.:eek:

Screwball
11-04-2007, 05:28 PM
Well, I guess if you are going to pick a year to suck, it might as well be this season.

The NFL is pretty much down to two teams. No one else really matters when playoffs come.

Good point. Still painful to watch though. Amazing how bad their tackling is. It's almost as if the Bengals coaches actively coach them on how to not bring down the ball carrier.

OldRightHander
11-04-2007, 05:30 PM
Good point. Still painful to watch though. Amazing how bad their tackling is. It's almost as if the Bengals coaches actively coach them on how to not bring down the ball carrier.

That last touchdown run just epitomized the entire season so far, have the runner dead to rights in the backfield by two tacklers no less and he scores. Pathetic.

At least the Bucks picked a good year to be winning. A good result on Saturday kind of takes the sting out of a disappointing Sunday.

macro
11-04-2007, 05:32 PM
Last chance for contention?

You were supposed to set your clocks back an hour, not 3 weeks. :p:

Exactly. This team's chances were over long before the opening kickoff today. You couldn't cherry-pick a schedule easy enough to get this bunch a winning record by the end of the year.

A 3-9 record heading into the Rams game is not out of the question. Besides the Cardinals at home, who are they gonna beat between now and then?

My routine the past few weeks has been to DVR the game and then scan through it in about an hour watching the major plays. I'm no longer willing to waste three hours of my Sunday afternoon on it.

Tony Cloninger
11-04-2007, 05:56 PM
Mike Brown has already said that ML is not going anywhere......that injuries are to blame......that "the people at the top believe in their draft decisions"......you do not build a team through FA...only through the draft......that Justin Smith is a good "try hard" player...who they still want to re-sign after the season.

Whatever stupid Bengals fans think that things will change has only been a fan since CP has been here......the rest, like me, who have been here since 1972 or longer......know the score and already know the outcome that will follow.

camisadelgolf
11-04-2007, 06:07 PM
It seems to me that the Bengals' season hinged on Ahmad Brooks. He hasn't been playing, and the Bengals haven't been winning. Combine that with six of the top seven linebackers not playing for the majority of the season, I doubt any more than three teams could have a top-15 defense. Heck, even the only linebacker from the beginning of the season who has been remotely healthy, Landon Johnson, has been battling injury all year.

macro
11-04-2007, 06:12 PM
Whatever stupid Bengals fans think that things will change has only been a fan since CP has been here......the rest, like me, who have been here since 1972 or longer......know the score and already know the outcome that will follow.

These are some of the same people who will call you a fair-weather or bandwagon fan (or worse) on certain Bengals boards.

Screwball
11-04-2007, 06:14 PM
It seems to me that the Bengals' season hinged on Ahmad Brooks. He hasn't been playing, and the Bengals haven't been winning. Combine that with six of the top seven linebackers not playing for the majority of the season, I doubt any more than three teams could have a top-15 defense. Heck, even the only linebacker from the beginning of the season who has been remotely healthy, Landon Johnson, has been battling injury all year.

That's a good point, and it no doubt has a serious effect on the defense as football is the ultimate team sport, but I've been very disappointed in the healthy players. Madieu, D-Jax, Jonathan Jospeh, Leon Hall all seem to be non-existant in coverage. Nobody on the D-Line can get any sort of penetration with even the slightest consistency. I'm not sure if it's poor scheming on the coaches' part, or just flat out miserable execution by the players, (probably a combination of both) but something needs to be done. Watching this defense is like watching Dumatrait pitch. It's an exercise in masochism.

traderumor
11-04-2007, 06:18 PM
Peko and whoever else was playing DT these days were locked up with the Olineman like an electric football game. The D was as pathetic today as they have been all year. So passive, try to tackle by running into guys. Just a year to forget and move on.

GAC
11-04-2007, 06:31 PM
Hey, if you'd like to feel a little better about it, an equally bad Browns D is on the Fox late game.:eek:

Man does their defense SUCK! No pressure at all from the front on Hasselbeck, who will pick them apart. They are going to have close to 300 total yds at halftime.

21-9 Seahawks at the half.

BoydsOfSummer
11-04-2007, 06:37 PM
And they seem deathly afraid to blitz in order to get pressure. Last week they blitzed both safeties and about fell off my stool.

MWM
11-04-2007, 06:46 PM
I've officially stopped caring about the Bengals. I was in the "until Mike Brown steps down" camp until it looked like he got it and hired Marvin Lewis. and I like Marvin. I really think he'll be a successful head coach in the NFL for a long time. But I don't think any head coach can have sustained success as long as MIke Brown is around. This franchise still has his fingerprints all over it. Their player acquisition over the past few years has been embarassing. And I seriously doubt Marvin wanted to keep Chuck D around.

CTA513
11-04-2007, 06:53 PM
If the Bengals keep playing like this then they should get a good draft pick.

:fineprint

dsmith421
11-04-2007, 07:13 PM
I've officially stopped caring about the Bengals. I was in the "until Mike Brown steps down" camp until it looked like he got it and hired Marvin Lewis. and I like Marvin. I really think he'll be a successful head coach in the NFL for a long time. But I don't think any head coach can have sustained success as long as MIke Brown is around. This franchise still has his fingerprints all over it. Their player acquisition over the past few years has been embarassing. And I seriously doubt Marvin wanted to keep Chuck D around.

100 cocktails to you, sir.

I sincerely believe that organizations (whether it be a corporation, a church congregation, a class of students, etc.) take on the personality of their leader. The hallmarks of the Mike Brown era have been nepotism and incompetence, and as far as I can tell, he doesn't care and has no intention of altering anything.

I'm going to Baltimore next week to visit a college friend and see his new baby--we have tickets for the Bengals game but I'm thinking we should just scalp and go down to Annapolis or something.

Degenerate39
11-04-2007, 07:17 PM
What happened to the Bengals? Weren't they actually good a few years ago. Frustrating being a Cincinnati fan.

Screwball
11-04-2007, 07:37 PM
On another note, what in the world was up with the running game today? The Bills were ranked 24th against the run coming into today's game, and we were able to rush for all of 28 yards. I repeat, 28 yards. I seriously hope Rudi Johnson is relegated to backup in favor of Kenny Watson, or even Chris Perry if he ever gets healthy. I'm sick of watching him stutter step in the backfield on every carry. Just hit the freaking hole Rudi.

UKFlounder
11-04-2007, 08:59 PM
If the Bengals keep playing like this then they should get a good draft pick.

:fineprint

A good draft pick position perhaps, but the odds of them making an actual good pick are certainly questionable.

Carson Palmer was a good 1st round pick, but since then they've taken Perry (injured) Pollack (injured), the Joseph & Hall (both show potential, but neither is a star yet) in the first round. Some of that is luck, certainly, but who's to say bad luck won't follow them again?

Caveat Emperor
11-04-2007, 09:25 PM
The hallmarks of the Mike Brown era have been nepotism and incompetence, and as far as I can tell, he doesn't care and has no intention of altering anything.

The #1 hallmark of the Mike Brown Era: Lack of accountability.

I used to think the reason why he stuck with Dave Shula for so long was out of some misguided belief that the two of them were in the same position: sons of great football men constantly living in the shadows cast by their fathers, both never able (mostly due to lack of aptitude) to show themselves as worthy successors to their names.

Now, I finally see what it was -- the concept of "accountability" means nothing to Brown. He doesn't understand the fundamental point of leadership that, when things go wrong for a long time, someone has to step up and say "The buck stops here." Has never happened since he took over, and I'd be shocked if it started happening now.

5DOLLAR-BLEACHERBUM
11-04-2007, 09:29 PM
Man does their defense SUCK! No pressure at all from the front on Hasselbeck, who will pick them apart. They are going to have close to 300 total yds at halftime.

21-9 Seahawks at the half.
Not so fast, for those of you who were watching that other game the Browns are now 5-3.

MWM
11-04-2007, 09:48 PM
The #1 hallmark of the Mike Brown Era: Lack of accountability.

I used to think the reason why he stuck with Dave Shula for so long was out of some misguided belief that the two of them were in the same position: sons of great football men constantly living in the shadows cast by their fathers, both never able (mostly due to lack of aptitude) to show themselves as worthy successors to their names.

Now, I finally see what it was -- the concept of "accountability" means nothing to Brown. He doesn't understand the fundamental point of leadership that, when things go wrong for a long time, someone has to step up and say "The buck stops here." Has never happened since he took over, and I'd be shocked if it started happening now.

That's pretty much it in a nutshell. IMO, he's not cut out for leadership positions. He develops relationships with people he works with and doesn't have the courage to cut ties when they clearly aren't getting the job done. Firing people is a tough job. No one wants to do it. And from what I hear, Mike doesn't like to do it. That's why guys last a lot longer under with poor performance for the Bengals than most other organizations. He's just ont cut out to be the guy in charge of a competitive enterprise.

The Bengals haven't done anything well in Mike Brown's tenure. They haven't drafted well, they haven't developed players well, they haven't acquired players through free agency well, they haven't hired the right coaches for the most part (although, I still think Marvin Lewis was the right hire), and they haven't got rid of the riht coaches.

His tenure has been riddled with incompetence from top to bottom, from beginning to .... well... until it ends - which looks like it may be never.

I'm sure Mike Brown is a decent man. But I have absolutely no respect for him at all professionally. He's terrible at what he does, he's in his position by birthright only, hasn't shown any sense at all that he cares that the franchise has been a mess, and that the fans continue to bleed orange and black and shell out their hard earned cash to put more of it in his pocket. It makes me a little sick, to be honest with you. He has every legal right to continue to do what he's doing for as long as he's alive. But, IMO, he should feel some sense of moral obligation to deliver the city something better than they've gotten during his reign. He couldn't care less, and that makes me lose respect for him. IMO, his tenure has been the equvalent of a big middle finger to the people of Cincinnati.

lo ryder
11-04-2007, 09:50 PM
I absolutely despise the Browns, but I give them credit for the year they are having. That team does not have half the talent of the Bungles, but they sure didnt give up and fold the season.

Mike Brown is the definition of born with a silver spoon and f'in that up.

WMR
11-04-2007, 09:52 PM
MWM, you and CE should combine your two posts and send it to the Enquirer. I think you guys are spot on.

Cedric
11-05-2007, 03:28 AM
If anyone has this game on DVR go back and watch the play of Dexter Jackson and Leon Hall. Just two terrible players right now. I don't care about a JP Losman luck interception either. Artrell Hawkins and Rod Jones got some interceptions also.

Also go back and watch how terrible Justin Smith is. He might be the most overpaid player in sports today. He might as well pull a Pavano and not show up for that price. I'm already past the point of caring. This team shows ZERO signs of improvement on the Oline, Dline, Lb's, and the Secondary. Basically this team needs a complete overhaul on the most important parts of a football team. Problem is the Bengals FO and coach truly believe we have good players. If you read the quotes of Marvin and Mike Brown you should truly be ready for YEARS of bad football again. Those two gentleman are incredibly arrogant, stubborn, and incompetent. I've detailed my complaints with Marvin point by point and that was mostly just on personnel. I could write for days on his ineptitude during the game coaching. It's not a stretch to say he is the worst game management coach I have ever seen at the NFL level. He has no idea how to manage the clock, his timeouts, and making adjustments during a game. It's time like this that I honestly see no light at the end of the tunnel. This team is completely void of defensive talent and we have the worst possible guy to accumulate talent.

I challenge anyone to actually back up Marvin and not just call me a front runner. Tell me what he has done right in developing this team. He has failed in almost every big decision he has made recently. It's embarrassing and unlikely to change with his arrogance and the lack of accountability from Mike Brown.

Cedric
11-05-2007, 03:36 AM
What happened to the Bengals? Weren't they actually good a few years ago. Frustrating being a Cincinnati fan.

Even then the Bengals had a very slight margin for error. Without the luck of playing Kyle Orton and the rest of the NFC North the Bengals probably were an 8-8 team that year also. I was thrilled at the time and somewhat optimistic about the future. Problem is you could see the cracks starting in the final few games of that season and now they are gaping holes. I never thought in a million years that Marvin would put together the last two drafts and free agency periods that he has. He couldn't have done worse in either situation in both years.

How sad is it that Marvin Lewis has actually hurt not only the defense but the vaunted offense? But at least Dexter Jackson was a super bowl MVP and Kim Herring was a "Marvin" guy. Pathetic decisions.

Cedric
11-05-2007, 03:43 AM
I absolutely despise the Browns, but I give them credit for the year they are having. That team does not have half the talent of the Bungles, but they sure didnt give up and fold the season.

Mike Brown is the definition of born with a silver spoon and f'in that up.

Really? I see a much better Oline, a great TE, and plenty of WR play. You don't have to be Peyton Manning to win in this league if you actually have a decent offensive line.

The Browns at least have some young talent on defense also. Right now it's not even a close contest. The Browns have a much brighter future than the Bengals. That's not frustration either. Go position by position and you will see.

The Qb position is the only clear edge for the Bengals and that doesn't matter in the NFL if you can't protect him or run the ball. The Bengals have Tj and Chad but that's it. I would take Edwards, Winslow, and the Browns depth at Wr/Te. Other than Qb the Browns are in better shape at every position group. Sad state of affairs for Bengal fans. The talent isn't really all that special and the coaching is terrible.

camisadelgolf
11-05-2007, 05:56 AM
On another note, what in the world was up with the running game today? The Bills were ranked 24th against the run coming into today's game, and we were able to rush for all of 28 yards. I repeat, 28 yards. I seriously hope Rudi Johnson is relegated to backup in favor of Kenny Watson, or even Chris Perry if he ever gets healthy. I'm sick of watching him stutter step in the backfield on every carry. Just hit the freaking hole Rudi.

It's scary to think of how the line is going to be without Willie Anderson in a few years. As for the stutter-step thing, I agree and disagree. When you're surrounded in every direction by the defense, you need to take your losses and fall forward. On the other hand, the best running backs are the ones who know when to be patient and wait for a hole to open up. Unfortunately, those holes rarely opened against the Bills.

GAC
11-05-2007, 06:18 AM
Not so fast, for those of you who were watching that other game the Browns are now 5-3.

That's true, and I'm ecstatic over it. I've stated all along that if they fix this offensive line, and they have, this would be a much improved team. But their defense still sucks, regardless of that stop they made in O.T. yesterday when the Seahawks had 4th and less then 1 yd, causing them to turn the ball over to the Browns.

That was an excellent game to watch. I saw very little of the Indy-Patriots game. ;)

But here are our defensive stats so far....

PTS/G..... 29.1 (30th)
PassYd/G.....270.7 (31st)
RushYd/G.....135.1 (27th)
TotalYd/G.....410.1 (32)

And Romeo (like Marvin) comes from a defensive background????

His LBing corp is a joke. Do they even know how to put pressure on a QB? I like a 3-4 defense; but he doesn't have the personnel to make it work. And while the one corner (Eric Wright) is a rookie, and learning, he is getting burned big time.


I absolutely despise the Browns, but I give them credit for the year they are having. That team does not have half the talent of the Bungles, but they sure didnt give up and fold the season.

I totally disagree with this assertion, as far as talent.

Our receiving corp of Edwards, Winslow, and Jurevicius, matches up pretty well aganst Johnson, T.J., and Kelly....


RNK NAME REC YDS AVG YPG LNG TD
2 Johnson 47 779 16.6 97.4 56 3
4 Edwards 42 736 17.5 92.0 78 9
8 Houshmandzadeh 62 674 10.9 84.3 42 10
9 Winslow 42 657 15.6 82.1 49 3
Jurevicius 20 236 11.8 33.7 29 3
Kelly 11 131 11.9 16.3 23 0

Derek Anderson. Alot of people were laughing at this kid and wrote him off. I didn't. The kid put up some impressive numbers while at Oregon State. Last year was his rookie year and he appeared in a total of 5 games, and started 3. You judge a rookie QB on 3 starts? And they were three games where he played against some pretty stout defenses in Pittsburgh, Baltimore, and Tampa Bay.

Had a career-high 276 yards passing in his first NFL start at Pittsburgh on Dec. 7, 2006. Completed 13 consecutive passes, which tied for fifth-best in franchise history, at Baltimore on Dec. 17, 2006. He then stunk it up in the last start vs T.B. (4 INTs).

Again.... a rookie, running for his life behind that offensive line, and people say he makes bad decisions with the ball?

I'm not saying the kid is Joe Namath. He's not even a Carson Palmer. But he is not as bad as some have stated, and he's showing that behind a much improved offensive that has only allowed 8 sacks all year and zero in the last 4 games .

Watching that game yesterday, Seattle was doing their best to blitz and put pressure on Anderson. And the offensive line, as well as Vickers, did an excellent job at picking them up while Anderson goes 29-48 (364 yds).

QB Rating 95.5 (6th)
Total Passing Yds.... 2108 (6th)
TDs.... 17 (3rd)

BuckWoody
11-05-2007, 10:13 AM
Well, I know that I've moved past anger with this team and on to quiet resignation. They just aren't very good. The defense has got to be the worst in franchise history, and that's saying something. I don't see much light at the end of the tunnel either. Chris Henry comes back so that might help the offense, but the D is beyond help. Joseph and Hall may turn into good CB's in the future but right now they are just over matched. The d-line yesterday was just pathetic. They can't stop the run and they can't rush the passer, other than that...they're pretty good.

I started the season thinking that 10-6 was a pretty reachable record. Now I think that 6-10 will be the absolute best they can do.

Reds Freak
11-05-2007, 10:27 AM
Well, I know that I've moved past anger with this team and on to quiet resignation. They just aren't very good. The defense has got to be the worst in franchise history, and that's saying something. I don't see much light at the end of the tunnel either. Chris Henry comes back so that might help the offense, but the D is beyond help. Joseph and Hall may turn into good CB's in the future but right now they are just over matched. The d-line yesterday was just pathetic. They can't stop the run and they can't rush the passer, other than that...they're pretty good.

I started the season thinking that 10-6 was a pretty reachable record. Now I think that 6-10 will be the absolute best they can do.

I don't know where you see four more wins out of this team. I'll give them two at the most, winning a combination of either St. Louis, Miami, or San Francisco. My guess is 4-12...

BuckWoody
11-05-2007, 10:36 AM
I don't know where you see four more wins out of this team. I'll give them two at the most, winning a combination of either St. Louis, Miami, or San Francisco. My guess is 4-12...
In my defense, I did say "absolute best they can do". They have those games you mentioned along with Arizona at home and a rivalry game with Cleveland at home. Knowing this team over the years, I wouldn't put it past them to win just enough the rest of the way to screw up their draft position...then take a RB or WR in the first round.

Roy Tucker
11-05-2007, 11:14 AM
I think the Bengals overestimated the defensive talent they had before the season started. And then, injuries just decimated the talent they did have. Just a rag-tag outfit that can't stop anyone.

I was a little surprised to see Marvin go so long with Rudi. Every game the Bengals have left is a "must win" and Watson was producing. I'd play Watson and let Rudi earn his way back. You don't blow a game like this trying to get one guy going.

TJ is a pro's pro but Chad seems a little lost. He hasn't reponded to all the adversity in a very mature fashion. Too many dropped passes and letting the team down during a very critical stretch.

traderumor
11-05-2007, 01:43 PM
nm.

HotCorner
11-05-2007, 03:24 PM
I truly wonder if the Bengals front office felt the offense could carry this team and thus made very little effort to fix the defense from a financial standpoint (i.e. improve through draft vs. through FA).

If the Bengals brass do not want their fanbase to leave, they better make drastic improvements to the defense in the offseason via free agency or trade since their recent track record in the draft has been lacking.

Here are the first-day picks under Marvin's watch:

2003: Carson Palmer (1), Eric Steinbach (2), Kelley Washington (3)
2004: Chris Perry (1), Keiwan Ratliff (2), Madieu Williams (2), Caleb Miller (3), Landon Johnson (3)
2005: David Pollack (1), Odell Thurman (2), Chris Henry (3)
2006: Johnathan Joseph (1), Andrew Whitworth (2), Frostee Rucker (3)
2007: Leon Hall (1), Kenny Irons (2), Ahmad Brooks (3) ***

*** Supplemental Draft Choice

Of these 17 picks, six are on the active Bengal roster, six are out with injuries and six are no longer with the team. Not a very good return.

Cedric
11-05-2007, 03:30 PM
I truly wonder if the Bengals front office felt the offense could carry this team and thus made very little effort to fix the defense from a financial standpoint (i.e. improve through draft vs. through FA).

If the Bengals brass do not want their fanbase to leave, they better make drastic improvements to the defense in the offseason via free agency or trade since their recent track record in the draft has been lacking.

Here are the first-day picks under Marvin's watch:

2003: Carson Palmer (1), Eric Steinbach (2), Kelley Washington (3)
2004: Chris Perry (1), Keiwan Ratliff (2), Madieu Williams (2), Caleb Miller (3), Landon Johnson (3)
2005: David Pollack (1), Odell Thurman (2), Chris Henry (3)
2006: Johnathan Joseph (1), Andrew Whitworth (2), Frostee Rucker (3)
2007: Leon Hall (1), Kenny Irons (2), Ahmad Brooks (3) ***

*** Supplemental Draft Choice

Of these 17 picks, six are on the active Bengal roster, six are out with injuries and six are no longer with the team. Not a very good return.

In an earlier thread I detailed the drafts and free agency pickups of Marvin Lewis. They are so bad it's scary. Every year it's the same retreads and people get excited. Kim Herring, Dexter Jackson, Kevin Hardy, Edge Hartwell, Sam Adams.

Marvin just doesn't have a direction or a clue. His track record is out in the open. It's almost impossible to debate how poorly he has managed this team. He has even managed to ruin the offensive line and when the line goes the whole offense slowly crumbles. Everything is crumbling and it wasn't hard to guess that. Predicting a terrible team this year was about as predictable as predicting the Reds would be bad. At least the Reds seemingly care and have some young talent.

Tony Cloninger
11-05-2007, 04:18 PM
But ML can only spend what MB allows...you think he did not want more than cheap retreads who are here to pick up a paycheck.

Better than Jocelyn Borgolla or James Joseph from 1997...but not exactly a Kevin Greene....or Adelius Thomas.

Even if MB knew that one big time FA would take this team over top....he would not do it. He would not have his precious cap messed up.....beacuse we have to think about the future and who might get injured. This year.....injuries happened....but it's not anywhere close to this every year.

The Ahmed Brooks thing has turned into Rich Braham Part II and he either get's activated or go sign someone else and move on.

Matt700wlw
11-05-2007, 04:21 PM
El Sucko Bengals!!!

Caveat Emperor
11-05-2007, 05:07 PM
Even if MB knew that one big time FA would take this team over top....he would not do it.

It'd be hard for him and Ralph Wilson to decry the lack of fairness in the NFL's salary cap structure if they made a habit of tossing out the huge guaranteed money bonus figures that the larger market clubs do.

dsmith421
11-05-2007, 05:49 PM
The #1 hallmark of the Mike Brown Era: Lack of accountability.


Absolutely. And it makes some logical sense that he can't demand accountability out of his subordinates because someone might notice that he's a complete, abject, and unmitigated failure as a football executive.

Being a Bengals fan is one of the most surreal experiences in sports. For most of my life I feel like I've been rooting for them to lose in such humiliating, horrific fashion that public and league pressure would cause Mike Brown to sell the football team. You can't unconditionally support the Bengals because their ownership is not making a good faith effort to succeed.

Matt700wlw
11-05-2007, 05:49 PM
http://zenwaiter.com/photos/index/fat%20lady%20sings.jpg

Chip R
11-05-2007, 05:51 PM
Being a Bengals fan is one of the most surreal experiences in sports. For most of my life I feel like I've been rooting for them to lose in such humiliating, horrific fashion that public and league pressure would cause Mike Brown to sell the football team. You can't unconditionally support the Bengals because their ownership is not making a good faith effort to succeed.


If the Bidwells still own the Cardinals, you can best believe that the Browns will own the Bengals for a loooooong time.

HotCorner
11-05-2007, 05:51 PM
He has even managed to ruin the offensive line and when the line goes the whole offense slowly crumbles.

I can not fault ML for the injuries that have hit the OL.

dsmith421
11-05-2007, 06:01 PM
If the Bidwells still own the Cardinals, you can best believe that the Browns will own the Bengals for a loooooong time.

I gave up hope of the Browns ever selling the team a long time ago. I thought they might have made some concessions to the modern era in 2003, but as it turns out it's the same bill of goods, just delivered with a little more professionalism.

I wonder: does Mike Brown think he's good at being a football executive? Is he capable of that much delusion?

Chip R
11-05-2007, 06:48 PM
I wonder: does Mike Brown think he's good at being a football executive? Is he capable of that much delusion?


I suppose it depends on one's definition of that. And I would guess Brown's definition is the only one that matters. Maybe he feels that if the Bengals are making money he is doing a good job. If they win, that's just gravy. Mind you that's not most people's definition of being a good football executive but his is the only bote that counts.

Cedric
11-05-2007, 07:13 PM
I suppose it depends on one's definition of that. And I would guess Brown's definition is the only one that matters. Maybe he feels that if the Bengals are making money he is doing a good job. If they win, that's just gravy. Mind you that's not most people's definition of being a good football executive but his is the only bote that counts.

Mike Brown is a liar then. He and his buddies like Ken Broo mention anytime they can that he lives and dies with the Bengals each Sunday. It just kills me that this man is the son of Paul Brown. It's not fair to the old man.

GAC
11-05-2007, 10:00 PM
The d-line yesterday was just pathetic. They can't stop the run and they can't rush the passer, other than that...they're pretty good.

Are you talking about Cincy or Cleveland? Because it nails both teams. ;)

And that is what perplexes me about our respective coaches.... they both got their head coaching opportunities because of their resumes/work on previous defenses (Ravens, Patriots).

If they could do it on those respective teams, then why not now? How about something even remotely close?

Is it possible they are getting more credit then they deserve? So far it appears so.

At least when Dick LeBeau was the Bengal's head coach he lived up to his rep of building good defenses.



I started the season thinking that 10-6 was a pretty reachable record. Now I think that 6-10 will be the absolute best they can do.[/quote]

Chip R
11-05-2007, 11:15 PM
Mike Brown is a liar then. He and his buddies like Ken Broo mention anytime they can that he lives and dies with the Bengals each Sunday. It just kills me that this man is the son of Paul Brown. It's not fair to the old man.


I'm just speculating, I don't know. Perhaps calling him a liar is rather strong. Peraps he feels that he is doing the best job that he can running the team and injuries and bad breaks are what is keeping them from the success they had 2 years ago. A case could be made for that. From my perspective as someone who is not a Bengals fan, I don't think Mike Brown is doing a good job running the Bengals. The results speak for themselves. I think if they found someone who could run the team and let Mike sit in his box and sign the checks it would be a big step in the right direction. I don't think Marvin Lewis is a good coach. That statement would have been heresey as much as a year ago but it's not a disciplined team. I think there are worse coaches out there that are employed and maybe Marvin is good enough to led a healthy team to the playoffs every once in a while. But I don't think he is the man to take the Bengals to the promised land.

SunDeck
11-06-2007, 02:22 PM
Check out Mike Brown's wikipedia page. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mike_Brown_%28football_team_owner%29) Hurry, it may not last long this way.

KronoRed
11-06-2007, 02:32 PM
Nice picture choice

dabvu2498
11-06-2007, 02:43 PM
Succeeded by
The Scarecrow from the wizard of Oz

Wow. That's funny.

5DOLLAR-BLEACHERBUM
11-06-2007, 03:00 PM
If the Bidwells still own the Cardinals, you can best believe that the Browns will own the Bengals for a loooooong time.Don't know what the Cardinals have to do with it, but I agree completely with the second part. And so does this guy.5100

Chip R
11-06-2007, 04:01 PM
Don't know what the Cardinals have to do with it, but I agree completely with the second part. And so does this guy.5100


My point was that the Bidwell family has owned the Cardinals ever since they were in Chicago and they have historically been terrible - even worse than the Bengals. At least the Bengals have been to 2 Super Bowls. If the NFL won't step in and make the Bidwells sell, there isn't any way they will make the Browns sell.