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dougdirt
11-16-2007, 10:50 AM
Vote for the player who you think is the Reds #3 prospect. We will go with this as far as you guys want to take it.

I will post a new list every 2 days with 10-15 options to vote on.

If you feel like making an argument on why a guy should be voted here, feel free to vote and state why you voted for that player.

If there is someone that is not currently listed as an option to vote on, vote for 'other' then just state who you want to vote for in the thread.

If there is anyone you would like to see as an option on the next poll, just say so and if they garner enough support, they will be placed on the next poll. Guys with the lowest amount of votes will usually be removed for the next few guys who were talked about in the previous thread.

Forgot to make the poll public. Mods, if you want to make that change feel free. If not, I will be sure to do it next time.

Prospect 1 - Jay Bruce
Prospect 2 - Homer Bailey

AmarilloRed
11-16-2007, 11:16 AM
I actually voted Cueto #2 yesterday, but Bailey carried the day. I think he should clearly be the #3 prospect.

Kc61
11-16-2007, 11:23 AM
There's an argument for Votto, who showed so well in September, but have to go with Cueto3 and Votto 4.

RedsManRick
11-16-2007, 11:33 AM
Just want to draw attention to this thread as a quick reference for career minor league stats: http://www.redszone.com/forums/showthread.php?t=63647

TOBTTReds
11-16-2007, 11:37 AM
I went with Cueto. I'll take a possible stud pitcher over a stud 1B. Just more to do with the likeliness of finding one. Pitcher has more value.

Highlifeman21
11-16-2007, 11:40 AM
Even though I thought Votto should have been the #2, I gotta vote Cueto #3.

I still maintain the top 4 should be Bruce, Votto, Cueto and Bailey, in that order.

camisadelgolf
11-16-2007, 11:41 AM
I went with Cueto even though I fear a downward spiral for the first time he faces prolonged adversity on the mound.

camisadelgolf
11-16-2007, 11:42 AM
Should there be a guideline for how long the polls last? Perhaps three days or 100 votes, whichever happens first?

Kc61
11-16-2007, 11:43 AM
Even though I thought Votto should have been the #2, I gotta vote Cueto #3.

I still maintain the top 4 should be Bruce, Votto, Cueto and Bailey, in that order.

Don't quite understand. Sorry.

dougdirt
11-16-2007, 12:12 PM
Should there be a guideline for how long the polls last? Perhaps three days or 100 votes, whichever happens first?

Well, I think once we get past the top 4, things will get interesting. So far guys have been running away with these polls with 70+ % of the vote. Once we get to the #5 prospect, we will be leaving them up for 2 days each before moving on unless we get another run away winner. That was the plan from the beginning, but Jay Bruce had 90% of the #1 vote, Bailey had 72% of the #2 vote and right now Cueto has 80% of the #3 vote... I think once we get past Votto at #4 (which it would appear will happen) that the vote will be spread out fairly well and we can start having some really good discussions on who belongs here and why.

Mario-Rijo
11-16-2007, 12:30 PM
I had to Vote for Votto on this one, which sorta surprised even me. I just cannot overlook the fact that he has already made it whereas Cueto hasn't yet conquered AAA (although done well in a limited sample). Also Cueto's stature will likely always worry me a bit. Votto's potential to play this game for a longer time could be the determining factor as to which of these 2 has more of an impact for the future Reds.

That said if they were at the same level and Cueto was 6 ft 3 then it would be Cueto in a landslide.

RedsManRick
11-16-2007, 12:51 PM
I see no reason to rush the votes once we get past 4. Sure, there can be some sort of mercy rule whereby we end voting if after 2 days a given player has at least 2x the percentage of the nearest competitor. Otherwise, let's give it a while some those discussions have time to play out and the undecided have a chance to make up their minds.

M2
11-16-2007, 12:58 PM
I see no reason to rush the votes once we get past 4. Sure, there can be some sort of mercy rule whereby we end voting if after 2 days a given player has at least 2x the percentage of the nearest competitor. Otherwise, let's give it a while some those discussions have time to play out and the undecided have a chance to make up their minds.

Fair point.

Will M
11-16-2007, 01:13 PM
Votto has shown success in limited September at bats while Cueto only has a little AAA experience.
Plus, IMO hitting prospects pan out more than pitching prospects.

TOBTTReds
11-16-2007, 01:23 PM
Even though I thought Votto should have been the #2, I gotta vote Cueto #3.

I still maintain the top 4 should be Bruce, Votto, Cueto and Bailey, in that order.

If this is how you feel, you should have voted for Votto. Each poll is, "who do you think is the best prospect remaining on the list" not "who should be the 3rd ranked prospect."

The polls would make no sense if every one did it like that. Take this example:

#2 prospect

Bailey - 50 votes
Votto - 49 votes
Other - 1 vote

Bailey wins

#3 prospect

Votto - 20 vote (He now loses 49 voters bc they felt he was #2. If this is how it was done, Votto could never make the list as a prospect)
Cueto - 78
Other - 2

#4 prospect
Votto - 3 votes (He now has lost 69 votes because everyone else thought he was a #2 or 3. Now he will officially never make the list)

Cueto wins because everyone

mth123
11-16-2007, 06:07 PM
I went with Cueto. I'll take a possible stud pitcher over a stud 1B. Just more to do with the likeliness of finding one. Pitcher has more value.

My logic as well.

mth123
11-16-2007, 06:09 PM
Even though I thought Votto should have been the #2, I gotta vote Cueto #3.

I still maintain the top 4 should be Bruce, Votto, Cueto and Bailey, in that order.

This makes no sense to my feeble brain. Can you explain it to us?

Degenerate39
11-16-2007, 06:22 PM
Cueto easily.

OnBaseMachine
11-16-2007, 11:26 PM
Cueto.

Highlifeman21
11-17-2007, 01:07 AM
Don't quite understand. Sorry.

Bruce is hands down our best prospect.

After that, you could essentially lump Votto, Bailey and Cueto into the same category, or tier.

My reasoning/logic is that Joey Votto is ready for the MLB level, whereas Bailey and Cueto are not. Therefore, I would put Votto #2. Heck, Votto should be our Opening Day 1B. Advantage Votto.

That leaves Bailey and Cueto. Bailey has control and command issues, whereas Cueto has neither. Bailey's been to the MLB level, albeit prematurely, while Cueto rightfully so has not. Assume Bailey and Cueto are "equal". The separation stems from Cueto having better command and control compared to Bailey, so the edge goes to Cueto. Henceforth, Cueto #3, Bailey #4.

Like Cyclone said, the B in Bailey stands for Ball 4, while the C in Cueto stand for Command or Control.

Highlifeman21
11-17-2007, 01:11 AM
If this is how you feel, you should have voted for Votto. Each poll is, "who do you think is the best prospect remaining on the list" not "who should be the 3rd ranked prospect."

The polls would make no sense if every one did it like that. Take this example:

#2 prospect

Bailey - 50 votes
Votto - 49 votes
Other - 1 vote

Bailey wins

#3 prospect

Votto - 20 vote (He now loses 49 voters bc they felt he was #2. If this is how it was done, Votto could never make the list as a prospect)
Cueto - 78
Other - 2

#4 prospect
Votto - 3 votes (He now has lost 69 votes because everyone else thought he was a #2 or 3. Now he will officially never make the list)

Cueto wins because everyone

Sorry if I didn't follow your rules. I voted Bruce, Votto, Cueto, in that order for the 3, so far. When #4 is available, I won't vote, b/c Bailey won't be on the list, and that's where I have him.

Highlifeman21
11-17-2007, 01:14 AM
This makes no sense to my feeble brain. Can you explain it to us?

See posts #20 and #21.

mth123
11-17-2007, 04:44 AM
See posts #20 and #21.

I see. You have your own ranking and you are voting for the spots where you have them ranked instead of always voting for the highest remaining guy on your list even if you think he's better. If they are already gone you are simply passing and if they've been passed over you don't vote for them in a spot below where you ranked them.

I personally am always voting for the remaining player who is highest on my list even if the spot doesn't match my own personal ranking position. So far my personal list agrees with all three of the votes. Bruce has to be #1 coming off a minor league player of the year season and the fact that he seems to be consensus #1 among experts. Bailey, Cueto and Votto in that order for me because I believe that Bailey still has more market value than the others, followed by Cueto and Votto.

Kc61
11-17-2007, 09:47 AM
would add Lotzkar and Francisco next time around.

camisadelgolf
11-17-2007, 09:58 AM
would add Lotzkar and Francisco next time around.

I'd like to see Sean Watson and Neftali Soto as available options soon, as well.

TOBTTReds
11-17-2007, 10:30 AM
Sorry if I didn't follow your rules. I voted Bruce, Votto, Cueto, in that order for the 3, so far. When #4 is available, I won't vote, b/c Bailey won't be on the list, and that's where I have him.

OK, if that is how you want to do it, that is cool. For the record, these aren't my rules, just how the whole system is supposed to work. That is how everyone else is doing it, which makes having polls with the best remaining work. You may have to vote for a certain guy 3 times in a row, but that is how it is done.

You can be stubborn and do it your way if you want. Guess I shouldn't be that concerned about 1 vote, but you are being so defiant just for the sake of being so. At least that is how it seems.

Mario-Rijo
11-17-2007, 11:00 AM
I'd like to see Sean Watson and Neftali Soto as available options soon, as well.

I definitely like Watson being in the mix, I think he's about to be a quick mover could be in the pen by mid-late '09. Soto may be too soon, but he is w/o question very talented w/ the bat in his hands.

Lotzkar may also be too soon. Francisco will definitely make for some interesting discussion.

kheidg-
11-17-2007, 06:03 PM
Sorry if I didn't follow your rules. I voted Bruce, Votto, Cueto, in that order for the 3, so far. When #4 is available, I won't vote, b/c Bailey won't be on the list, and that's where I have him.

Mom, if I can't eat pizza - I'm not going to eat at all!

WMR
11-18-2007, 06:16 PM
Cueto for me. (Picked him at #2 as well)